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To mods, Super mods,

Please take a look at the following post and assist in putting it on front page.

https://www.nairaland.com/1428808/routine-queuing-nigeria#17945125

In addition, I am tabling a suggestion that posts that address social issues are good channells for probing into social improvements and therefore ought to be acknowledged and given a recognition by your management team.

I recommend you guys create a recognition board. The board should be pinned to the top. There should be top-three best topics of the week put into this board. Mods and Super mods are responsible for voting weekly the top three and cycling them through the pinned up board.

Remzolution,

I like your analysis and articulation, you have a very solid opening. Questions and probes like this should be championed by news media and pushed to the departments of social sciences in our Universities for case studies.

For the record, I urge our mods to put this on front page. I'm going to submit a suggestion on what to do with good posts like this one.

My response to your subject issue will come shortly.

In a Press Statement in Ibadan on January 21, 2013.

The police authorities have been urged to probe the strong suspicion that the attack on the Emir of Kano, Ado Bayero was orchestrated to prevent one of his sons, Alhaji Nasiru Ado Bayero from becoming the next Emir of Kano, after his father’s future demise, on the grounds of his mother’s Yoruba heritage. In a statement on Monday, Apapo O’odua Koya, (AOKOYA), the Yoruba self-determination group, said it has it on good authority that the attack might not have been orchestrated by Boko Haram but by a group of Fulani irredentists who are hell bent on ensuring that the Emir’s son, whose mother is a Yoruba woman from Kwara state does not succeed his 83 year old father.

“This attack is another way of demonstrating the deep seated hatred the Fulani hegemony harbor against other nationalities that are non-Fulani. We are convinced that the Emir was not the target of the assailants, but his son who the sponsors of the attack think must be prevented at all cost from becoming the next Emir of Kano at the demise of the current Emir,” AOKOYA said in a statement issued on Monday morning. The statement was signed by Dr Wunmi Olutona, the group’s Head of Northern Affairs.

The group said it suspects that the attack was sponsored by high profile elements in the North dimming the prospect of fishing out the attackers. “There is a blood-bound attachment to the stool of the Emir of Kano, a city originally owned and administered by the dark-skinned and less hateful Hausa people which was taken over by force of arms by the Fulani during the 1804 Jihad. Since that Islamic revolution, the Fulani emirate has been guiding the stool with a mixture of jealousy and high-pitched encirclement of the throne preventing the stool from biological cross fertilization of genes. It is one record that for over 60 years, the owners of the land, the Hausa people have fought in vain to reclaim what belongs to them.

This led to the formation of the Northern Elements Progressive Union, (NEPU) led by the late Aminu Kano, an Hausa person and his successor, Alhaji Balarabe Musa who is also of the Hausa stock. While there is a general categorization of the Hausa-Fulani by the media, a tin but intolerable line separates the two distinct nationalities which cleavages are bound to be exposed at the fullest of time.


http://kingsscribe..com/2013/01/apapo-oodua-koyaaokoyaattack-on-emir.html?m=1

Who are the SW delegates in this meeting? Publish their names so we can go pay visit to their family compound.

Because society say so!

It offends the sensibilities of heterosexuals who are majority of society. A homosexual needs to relocate to a homo enclave where his/her kind are majority so his/her desired lifestyle is not discriminated.

ngozievergreen: poor ppl...
Just look at what is giving u joy while those u hate are busy acquiring more properties in Lagos high brow and ur own peeps in lagos are only interested in eating from the crumbs from dier tables in d name of agbero taxes.
It gonna remain sat way till Nigeria divides.

Same brag you made to them in Port Harcourt and Kano pre-66, your steeped acts of rebellion got you locked out of your "high brow" mansions and their ownership transferred to more responsible people.

Your self-hate and rebellion in 2013 is no different than your self-hate and rebellion in the 60s. So whats the benefit of your "high brow" property to Yorubaman, nothing! It madw no difference in our livea in 60s, it makes no difference to us now.

[quote author=St_Black]Die of hunger? ...u made me laugh sha !


....if trully u want biafra, then WHY do u still insist on "Nigeria till death" ?...... i can assure u dat as at present, Yorubas welcome the idea of Odualand at any point in time, only dat it other Nigerians wont allow them !


....if u all insist on "One Nigeria", then wonder who hunger would decimate for breaking from d "one Nigeria" !


..THE JOKE IS ON U Igbos FELLA! [/quote]They are self-haters. They mistake act of rebellion by ojukwu biafra for act of bravery by ibo people. There have been countless opportunities at far smaller scale to really prove this bravery if they have it and on each account they responded with more rebellion. They have great knowledge in how to rebel but zero bravery and self love.

Case in point, responses coming from ibo leadership and institutions on Onitsha family reunion, a classic act of rebellion, which to them is great display of bravery. Same Kalu who said Lagos is no mans land is now looking for peacemaking and handshake with Yoruba. Ohanaeze which threatened and gave ultimatum later turned around and asked for soft pedalling.

Another act, closure of Ladipo. They ended up doing what they started out saying they would never do.

Yet anothrr one, installatiin of Babaloja on 99% Igbo market in Ladipo. They swore they will never accept Babaloja and would relocate East first before they will submit to a Yoruba leader. This not an act of bravery but sheer stupidity. After their rebellion died down, today Babaloja is the head of Ladipo and no Iboman has relocated back East.

Oh before i forget, ASPAMDA.
They said LASG has no jurisdiction in Trade Fair and it belongs to FG and they cannot be dictated to by LASG on how they run business. After learning that FG has no jurisdiction in Trade Fair they agreed to comply with the imposed safety standards introduced by LASG.

Bunch of self-hating cowards who mistake rebellion for bravery.

They need to watch the self-loving Yoruba and how he juggles between acts of bravery and need for compromise.

DerideGull: Mayor of Kirikiri

You can not be a metropolitan dogcatcher talk less of a mayor when you do not know your formative history. Please checkout the progenitors of gbomogbomo, olodo.

Check out the etymology of gbomogbomo

Igbo and gbomo are cognates.

chima12: Yoruba mans mindset is a case study.a yoruba man hates a non-yoruba for no reason other than the yoruba has been programmed to hate from birth.the yoruba meets you physically,he hates you but he can't do anything about it other than gossiping with his fellow yorubas about you and conspiring/conniving with fellow yorubas behind your back while pretending to be your friend;but give yoruba man access to internet and you will understand them better.yorubas are so hate filled in nature and constantly display hatred for other tribes once given access to online,faceless internet sites and forums.
Yorubas[both the christians and moslems]believe they cannot compete successfully with other southern tribes of the former midwest region and eastern region in a level playing field so they believe they have to always align with the muslim north for economic and political survival.the mentality of alligning with the north among yorubas is so deep that even a one month old yoruba baby sees the hausa and fulani muslim as his master.hence the master/servant relationship between fulani and yoruba has been accepted across board by all yorubas.the yoruba cannot survive without nigeria and they know it that is why they keep begging the fulanis not to break-away from nigeria because the average yoruba man dreads having a nigeria without the north since the yoruba feel they will lose the free oil money and fg allocation they are currently getting off money generated mainly from niger-delta resources.
The fulanis,hate them or love them have done a good job on the yorubas.the fulani has made the yoruba accept him as master.the fulani has conquered and annexed yoruba territories in kogi and kwara states,and now have their sights on other parts of yorubaland in osun,oyo and ogun states.the fulani have equally moved on,aided by the less superior business acumen of the average yoruba to start controlling commerce in yoruba land as can be seen in the bodija market incident in ibadan where yoruba traders resort to protest over beans because they can't match the business expertise of the fulani and hausa traders.
On the issue of possible breakup of nigeria,the fulanis have already made sure that they will not be left empty handed.the fulanis have already decided that even if nigeria were to breakup and the old midwest and eastern region leaves this union,the yorubas will not be allowed to leave because the fulanis have marked lagos as their access to the sea as the fulanis long before now have marked a 'corridor to the sea' from north to lagos, which is is one of the reason why the northerners control the customs.
The yoruba man has more important things like fighting illiteracy,food security and agriculture,security,reconstruction of bad roads,provision of portable drinking water and electricity to think of than to always act as if an Igboman always uses cutlass to chase him in his dream while he is asleep.

Yoruba hates others, but Ibo hates himself. Iboman kidnaps his own father and mother and sells them. Iboman joins company to carry flag of hatred and bloodshed against his own people. Thank God Yorubaman loves his people and hates others. If Iboman could stop selling his family and relatives he would prosper on his own land and not be a destitute and refugee in Yorubaman land.

Do these slaves look like Yoruba to you?

The General: share ur views

Igbo does not want an Eze in Ghana
Whaaatt!!

What happened, the Ashantis must have given them deadline to choos between Ghana and their Eze.

Akamu and Stew: Can someone answer me please??

The keyword is HAUSA!. They are innocent.

There are five classes of chiefs,
Idejo
Akarigbere
Ogalade
Abagbon
Oluwo or Ogboni

They are arranged arround these enclaves. I understood your question in its initial pose but telling you what the "shagbe" in Idushagbe means or its function will go beyond what is sufficient for this public forum.

Of the categories of chiefs, Akarigbere, sorry, ABAGBON is the only one that wears top hat, or Fez. Their duty is to the king not to the society, where the other chiefs wear white cap and serve society.

[quote author=olu_kenzo ]Really? Thanks. However, will you please enumerate more on these Idus, vis-à-vis our discussion on this thread-- awon talo tewon do? since they are obviously settlements.

Also, I'm aware there is agbo which is a form of masquerade in Ijebu.[/quote]On the first part i have mixed response.

Lately (perharps five years or so) there has been an increase of unofficial online accounts of the history of Lagos and a high proportion are complete rubbish. They teach wrong history. There are new claims, even in Wiki where Lagos is called a land that belong to all Nigerians. I want to share but I must do so with great discretion and restrain from putting something out which could in future be the code key needed to safeguard interests of the invested indigene from the encroachment of the ambitious, covetous settler. For this reason I will prefer to keep what these Idus do from public. Their presence, in adjoinment with the various "Oju" - Oju Olobun, Oju Ina, Oju Olokun, etc, and the "Ita" - Ita Alagba, Ita Ado, Ita Faji, and so on, have a matrix arrangement that mirror a secret cult or rites or code. This pattern is said to be consistent in all known City-State civilizations and those who studied Ile Ife and its shrines have found the same configuration to exist there, although they are named differently.

If Physics is reading I wonder if he has anything to share on this. Since these Idus were imports from Bini, Im assuming a similar matrix arrangement around shrines and landmarks exist in the City-State of Bini Kingdom.


We are writing in a flat one dimensional style and without the diacritics and the tonals it becomes hard to give three dimensional quality of line, depth and stretch to Agbo so we can know definitely if in meaning and understanding that the Agbo masquerade is a related as a cult to the Agbo totem.

[quote author=olu_kenzo ]OMG. Underrate Nairaland at your own peril.

Idu-m-ota; Ota settlement.

Idu-m-agbo; settlement.


What is agbo? Herbs, Male sheep, Stage. Which is it?[/quote]Idushagbe
Idutafa
Idumagbo
Idumota
Iduoluwo - Idoluwo
Idugaran

These are the Idus on Island. Each one of the Idus is a guild specific enclave.

Agbo is Yoruba totem for warriors. Therefore you will likely see the "Abagbon" (warrior) chiefs in the Idumagbo enclave.

If it wasn't Chukukwa, Okekuchukwu and Chioma, na who else

pazienza: You are not making any sense.

I can try again! Look below, how do you feel about this input?

Mayor_of_Lagos:SE was under Royal Niger Company Charter and was later traded auctioned to the Colonial government as a settlement for British control hinterland.

Katsumoto: Oshodi is actually Tapa.

Exactly!

shymexx: However, that isn't exclusively an Ijebu thing. Assimilation has been happening since the beginning of time. However, the most important thing is the culture/traditions of the land they were assimilated into.

The Dawodu family from Lagos were Nupe/Ibira, but today, they're Yoruba's. The Oshodi and Obanikoro families of Lagos are from Benin, but today, they're Yoruba's. I'm sure there are tons of people who used to be Fulani, Hausa, Fon, Nupe/Ibira, Benin, Bariba - who're now Yoruba's because they were either slaves in Oyo, or settled down in Yoruba and assimilated into the culture. Same goes for Benin and other neighbouring cultures/kingdoms.

Even in England, everyone calls the English, "Anglo-Saxons" - however, Normans, Vikings, Romans etc. also settled in England. But everyone has been assimilated into the "Anglo-Saxon" tag.

That's the interesting thing about culture and history.

The Dawodus are not Tapa and Oshodi is not Bini. Yes Obanikoro is Bini. To know who is Tapa and who is not you should study the families in "Epe"tedo.

If you want to know who is Bini you study the family compounds in Isale Eko.

To know Idejo you study Isale Eko and Ijora/Oto.

To understand the Brazilians you go to Brazilian quarters between Tinubu/Kakawa and Campos.

To know the Hausas and Baribas you go to Lafiaji.

To know the Saros you go to Oluwole/Olowogbowo/ Apongbon.

If you need the Ijeshas/Ekitis you go to Isalegangan/Apatira

shymexx: I believe Epe and coastal (riverside) Ijebu's have always been under the Awujale. You're probably alluding to the Remo axis and Ijebu Igbo. Anyway, that's their prerogative but it was speaking about my own side of Ijebu in Epe and the other riverside Ijebu's.

Oniru has nothing to do with Epe. There were two settlers in that town, the Ijebu Epe, ruled by Oloja and the Eko Epe, ruled by Olu.

The dynasty of the Olu is the Eshilokun and is not in anyway an Ijebu blood..

The Ijebus are Great people and their contribution in Yorubaland is recognized but it appears to me you are getting a pushback. From my own observation, in matters relating to Yorubaland you always stand out to project Ijebu culture and Ijebu dominion and Ijebu circle of influence, as if Ijebu is greater than the GREATER Yoruba.. You really dont need to market Ijebu, there is no one on the land who has not one way or another, directly or indirectly, been touched by Ijebu influence.

Katsumoto: My Yoruba may be weak so I may defer to you but explain this to me.

What is Ibinu? Is it a Yoruba word?

What is anger in Yoruba?

If bi is functional for something else in ALL cases as you have stated, why does Ibinu have a different meaning from Ibi and Inu?

Do you agree that there are words that have a different meaning when broken apart to when written or pronounced in whole? I fail to see the point you are making. Are you stating that Oranyan had a different intention to what has been interpreted historically?

You are giving it an abstract conceptual translation. Lets look at the practical application. Yoruba as a language is complex.

Fuku is lungs in Yoruba. Inufufu is anger in Yoruba. Fuku is descriptive of a pumping action or the act inhaling/exhaling. Fufu is descriptive of an action taking place in the lungs in which a subject is experiencing a "racing" state of emotion.

Fa in Yoruba denotes all aspects of the air element. "ofe", "afefe", "fe", "ofurufu".

What happens to the lungs and air intake when a person is angry?

This is the functional interpretation for Inufufu - anger.


On the second part, yes, the direction of paternity of Bini is Ife.

If Physics says Mayor is "ibinu mi" - my offspring, he becoms the object.

If Mayor says I am "omo" Physics, the object has not changed.

The object is the PRINCIPAL. How does King of Bini adddress his throne?

Katsumoto: Ibinu is not the same thing as Ibi and Inu. I don't see the need to break Ibinu into two because you get a different meaning.

What language is Ibinu? Yoruba, am I correct? Lets go to that language and pull samples of application for the word "ibi", "bi", "abi", "obi", "ebi". In every case you will find bi is functional for offspring, product, branch, and so on.

naptu2: "here" "inside" ! I never thought of it like that. I always thought of binu - anger.

Well, look at these words

Bisola - Ibi si Ola
Bisayo - Ibi si Ayo
Bidemi - Ibi Demi or Abi Demi
Binuyo - Ibi si Inu Ayo (similar Bisola)

These are describing birth of an offspring.

Bini - Ibi Inu

This is interpreted, erroneously, as anger or expression of frustration.

Consider this, "bibi inu mi" - the offspring of my seed. So when Yoruba say "mo binu" - I am upset or angry - is it descriptive of one who is producing (ibi) a gut (inu) emotion?

Why would a King name his domain, a kingdom at that, the land of emotional anger? Why would the people of the land accept such an attribute?

Which is more plausible, that the King was

a. Angry/frustrated and, himself, named the land Ibinu.

b. An offspring of someone, an "outsider", who gave the name Ibinu.


In reference of "outsiders" naming a neighbouring land. Consider that the Edos called their land Igodomigodo and that Bini was an alias, as is similarly the case for the following places. Oyo for example was called katunga or a walled city by the Hausa neighbor.

PhysicsQED: Bino is an old Nupe term for the Kanuri, Germania (Germany) is a term from the Romans, although the real meaning/origin is not known, Katunga from the Hausa, Selemo/Iselema is an Ijaw name for the Itsekiri.And of course other groups probably had their own outside names for these groups/places as well.

To the Yorubas who say Bini is the same as Ibinu, there are two words involved - Ibi and Inu.

How would you explain the etymology of Ibi and Inu?