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Udmaster:
NONSENSE. This boasting is now boring. U think that buhari is jonathan who wil lose and accept defeat?
Lol, if tinubu mess up, buhari wil bring up a corrupt file against him using efcc and then jail him.

And we will shut down Nigeria again. We did twice before, 1964 elections, 1993 elections....go and check record.

We are not Biafra. We dont just raise hell and back off when the heat is put on us. Thr heat fires us into more volatility. Unlike Biafra we dont raise hell for every single grievance either....we let it pile up unto a day of reckoning.

I say check the records....

Udmaster:
The re-arrangement for 2019 is warming up and the current Tinubu saga is a clear indication of it.
I have nothing against Tinubu, I admire the way he played opposition for 16yrs, But I think that the Overhyping of Jagaban is becoming too much.
1. Tinubu/SW gave buhari just 25% of votes, the North with 75%. Lets get the facts right.
NC made Buhari president not Sw
2. If Tinubu/SW pull out of APC to AD Party, which zone can they win except SW? AD Party can never win up to 5000 votes in North, South East and South South.
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3. Buhari can pick a SE or SS Man as running mate in 2019.(no permanent enemy in politics)
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4. Buhari will rig it with Federal power in 2019.

5. Buhari drop charges against Saraki/Ekweremadu for 2019 political reasons.
So Tinubu should humble himself and stay and obey the rules in APC,if he is a demi god in SW, The Northern cabals will shred him like suya if he step out of line.
Buhari can win 2019 election without Tinubu or South West.

How many times did Buhari try without SW and failed to win? 3 times!

How many times did Buhari try with SW and successfully win? 1 time.

....re calibrate your sense to recognize the political class SW belong.

kcnwaigbo:
Any one preaching the prospects of southern unity is on his own.The SW cannot use and dump the other southern regions.They must be paid back in their own coins even if it means aligning with the north to spite them.

Tinubu got served.

SE is a political liability for any ambitious politician. Those who want to lose will come to align with you...

We conclude, today, the interview one time Vice President Dr Alex Ekwueme granted us to mark Nigeria’s Independence anniversary. Last week we published his views on the state of the nation. He said what we have today as Nigeria was not their dream that day of October 1, 1960 that Nigeria became an independent country. He would like Nigeria to be restructured in a way that will see the regions developing at their own pace rather than depending on the federal government for everything. He advised President Buhari to dialogue with the Niger Delta to end the militancy in that area.

Ekwueme revealed that the 1983 military coup was aimed at stopping him from becoming Nigeria’s President in 1987. He also gave reasons for declining President Olusegun Obasanjo’s offer to be Senate President. Enjoy the last excerpts from the interview:

How do you think PDP can be revived?

There are a lot of… I won’t call them hooligans, characters who have taken control of PDP in various states of the federation, including my state and they are allowed to go away with it because the NWC in Wadata House is easy to compromise. So you find these people dictating terms; they would arrange with them and be the ones to produce a list of delegates to vote at congress or convention. Until people like that are shunted out of the party nothing good will come out of the party. I have distanced myself from the activities of the party; I haven’t been to a Board of Trustees meeting in the last three years.

Haven’t they been inviting you?

Yes, I am a life member. I haven’t been to NEC meeting in the last three years because as I said there are a lot of characters there who shouldn’t be there. Now people have suggested at one time that we should call a meeting of the original founding fathers who are still around and see how we can start afresh but I said that I am 83 going to 84, and that I cannot go through the same process I went through in 1998, that people younger should take it from there.

Some have, however, alleged that you had a hand in the problems of the party in Anambra in that you replaced ABC Nwosu who allegedly won the governorship primary in 1999 and replaced him with your former press secretary, Dr. Chinwoke Mbadiniju. Please, can you clear the air on this?

That is not true. I have challenged them for anybody to tell me where I said people should vote for Mbadiniju. None! The only person in all these years whom I have supported is Soludo.

Mabdiniju won the primary?

Yes.

So there was no issue of replacement or that ABC Nwosu won and was replaced with Mbadiniju?

First of all, ABC Nwosu should not have even contested because the agreement was that as secretary of the party he would not contest.

Sir, what is the way out of the economic recession?

Long term I have already addressed. Build up our capacity and Nigeria will be better off. In the short term, I am surprised at the government’s stance. The price of crude oil is less than one-third of what it used to be at its peak, and production level was 2.2 million barrels per day and right now we are producing about 900,000 barrels which is much less than half of the production and selling at less than one-third of the price of the former selling price. So you can see what the impact could be on an economy like ours that is mono culture and dependent on one product. The Niger Delta Avengers and collaborators are responsible for the drop in production; they are not responsible for the price. Yar‘adua, when he had a similar problem was able to start the amnesty programme and at that time, our production had also dropped to 800,000, and we had been overtaken by Angola in Africa. But once Yar‘adua settled with the restive youths through the Amnesty Programme, production went back to 2.2 million barrels

Now with all that information at the disposal of the present government they did not see that the best course of action would be to negotiate with these boys and reach some understanding; instead they want to use the force of arms and even with all that, they are still blowing up facilities. I read a few days ago that they said that they killed 23 militants, and it is not something to brag about. You kill 23 of the boys, and you are bragging about it; it is not a very good thing to hear. There is no short cut of getting out of recession which is mostly caused by the lack of foreign exchange to run factories, to even import goods and services…there is no shortcut than to increase production. Instead of facing it squarely we are still battling with the force of arms to try and subdue. I am not a soldier, maybe soldiers always think of force, force as a means of solving problems, but I don’t see a quick end to the recession without solving the problem of low oil production.

The Igbo question. Do you feel they lack of leadership in Igbo land?

It depends on what you mean by leadership. We have about five governors in Igbo land, we have a deputy president of the Senate, we have a lot of ministers, we have a lot of political leaders.

President Jonathan when he was campaigning did a lot of things for the North and West, and it is alleged he even mobilised the traditional rulers in the North and West, but the Southeast backed him without negotiating even with its bad roads.

As I said in an interview in the past, Jonathan didn’t treat us very well for the support he got in 2011; which he confessed to me himself was more than what he got from his people in the South-South. He gave an example, that the people who were running against him tried to get a running mate from the Southeast, but none of them succeeded in getting a running mate from the Southeast to run against him; but even in his own South-South, Oyegun was a running mate to somebody; and when the election was over the Youth Corps members who were brutalised in Bauchi were people from the Southeast, not people from the South-South. He told me this himself. So, he had every reason to be fair-minded and equitable in his distribution of resources. But we could not go from Enugu to Onitsha on a federal road, you couldn’t go from Enugu to Port-Harcourt on a federal road, we couldn’t go from Aba to Okigwe on a federal road; you couldn’t go from Owerri on the federal road. None of the federal roads in the Southeast was motorable.

So, would you support the actions of MASSOB and IPOB for self-determination?

I am 83 years old going to 84 next month, my attitude to life cannot be that with those who are in their twenties or in their thirties. But there is something the emir of Kano said about the young Igbo people, that those who are in MASSOB or IPOB never knew Nzeogwu or Ojukwu and they may think that instead of living like slaves in their country that it may be better for them to wage war and lose, if they lose they may get a more honourable peace than the one that their parents got at the end of the 30 months civil war.

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/jonathan-didnt-treat-igbo-well-ekwueme/

To my Eastern brothers, Ndee wo nu!

My Biafran wife, Chinyere, said I should seek nomination to represent Biafran voice in Nairaland. She thinks i will be a good voice for nwafors if i become moderator. Do you guys agree?

This Kemi Adeosun is pretty. Nice complexion and appealing looks.

...and if therw's no vacancy there at moment then hire me to moderate the racial and tribal section.

I saw where he is classified as "RENOWNED ARCHITECT" . What renown work has he produced?

Ekwueme is an Architect, Ngozi Iweala is a urban planner/developer. They both have money,influence and leadership. In their lifetime, why is SE looking like a huge IDP camp?

I do not refer to those who have consistently rejected the concept of a handshake across the River Niger from the west with our Igbo and Niger Deltan brothers.

I do not refer to those that have consistently derided the idea of southern unity even if we may have had our differences in the past.

Sharing alingnment and co-join with South East and South South is a worse option than an alignment with North.

To hell with North, to hell with East and to hell with South....may Edumare preserve this West for us and our progenies. May Oduduwa shield and bless Yorubaland for us and may our ancestors stand by us in our struggles, Ashe!

Sharksblow:
The Yoruba race has had no greater leader than the one called “Jagaban of African Politics”, with due credence to the greatest “AWO”. Bola Ahmed Tinubu, not knowing the best designation to qualify this great Nigerian, Ex- Senator, Ex-Governor, Billionaire in all modesty, Entrepreneur etc, grew through the ranks in Nigerian politics, fought many battles, won wars and a force to reckon with not only in Nigeria but also Africa. His franchise and Affiliation knows no geographical boundaries. He is the AFOBAJE and the most powerful political mentor (As against Godfather) in Nigeria.

This Article is not to sing his praise but to emphatically show that MAN is not GOD. This Yoruba leader whom I respect so much is not flawless. The biggest mistake of his Life was made by him and Southern Leaders in 2015. Lord Lugard in 1914 made the singular mistake of “mixing up” very dissimilar North and South of Nigeria, that statement is still an object of debate but the result of what Nigeria has experienced since then, is an evidence to whether the amalgamation was a miracle or a mistake. Jagaban in 2015, a century later, successfully amalgamated very dissimilar political parties with different ideologies together in order to champion “CHANGE”. The Republican and the Democrats in USA will never merge. The result of this merger is obvious in what Nigerians are experiencing today.

Weren’t his Intentions genuine? Did he envisage the fact that this administration will bite the finger that fed them? Can this mistake be corrected? Isn’t the CHANGE evident either for good or bad?

Sadly, its painful that I must confess that the IGBOS will say “We Told you so. They know their enemy and will never flirt with them, But Yoruba are rationale people, welcoming and highly educated, which should be a blessing But isn’t that our greatest woes in the last three decades?

I am not in doubt that Jagaban and the rest of the Southern Leaders will fix this “Presidential Mistake” but they need to exercise caution so that the same mistake won’t happen the third time, Merge Southern economy, southern children, southern youths, southern states together; Secure your territories, That’s what the North is Good at, South should learn from their counterpart. Nigeria will not break but south should “REGIONALIZE”, the North has done that long ago.

Ministerial Nominee from South should be wise. Tinubu , Obasanjo, jonathan, Okorocha, peter Obi, Adams Oshiomole, Mimiko, Aregbesola, Ifeanyi Okowa, Wike, Ambode, Amosun, Gbenga Daniel, Gbajabiamila, Jimi Agbaje etc. I call on you all to Unite the southern people and economy, the future of the Nigerian Mixed states needs your cooperation. Serving Senators and ministers Be wise once again. After a while, you all will come back home. What you do today will remain after you are all Dead and Gone.

South should Unite behind Our Leaders irrespective of difference in party Affiliations, The Northerners may be members of APC or PDP, but the Northern Agenda is always First in their heart and that Unites them.

Cutting Jagaban to size is cutting all of us in the south to size. Anti-Corruption campaign will not take any major northerner to jail; Saraki is still senate president After all. 2015 was our collective mistake; we need each other now than ever before. After all ‘HE IS NOT GOD’ and WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES.

http://naijaawake.com/2016/10/05/jagaban-is-only-human-a-southern-plea/

Sharksblow,
There is no need using North, South as the dividing political line. West just want to be on its own, period! We do not know anything called South. Let everyone identify and steer their cause.

seunmsg:
Lagos as a former federal capital territory deserves a special status for the purpose of revenue sharing in order to manage the huge challenges that was inherited from the relocation of the country's capital. This is in line with best practises all over the world. But unfortunately, tribalism, hatred and outright jealousy will not allow the law makers take the right decision.

Seun,
Thank you for bringing up this angle. The root of the issue lie in disparity of the federal allocation formula.

Lagos has more population than any other state in Nigeria. It also has the highest population of migrants from neighbouring countries. You can add up the entire population of SE states and the figure will still be far below the population of Lagos. Take Kano out of NW and the population left in the remaining six states is not up to that of Lagos. We should not even talk of NE zone,they have been depopulated by bokoharam. NC is the only zone that will compete population with Lagos.

All the IDPs running from kidnapping, robbery, ritual killing, poverty, environmental disaster and land erosion, baby factories in SE and SS have fled, with their families and relatives to Lagos for safety and security.

The IDPs escaping bokoharam, poverty, religious persecution, childhood marriage, have fled NW and NE to come to Lagos for refuge.

So given this, Lagos is at risk of a monunental environmental disaster. Lagos has involuntarily been helping the other five zones of the federation to care for the welfare needs of the citizens they lack capability and competence to protect, shelter and feed.

Meanwhile these zones continue to be compensanted at parity rate on the federal allocation funds.

The scale is not balanced. Hence the need for review and modification of allocation to Lagos or the granting of a special status in recognition of the role it plays in the lives of indigenes from other zones.

May Gabari's soul rest in peace.

...Look at the following quote and read my correction on the message.

Founded in Kano on 8 August 1950, it became the main opposition party in Northern Nigeria after the region was given self-governance in the 1950s.

Northern Nigeria was never self governing. They were offered autonomy and they never implemented the instruments of self governance.

Watch out for journalists who lack root and depth of history ignorantly sneaking falsehood into our political archives.

This journalist ought to be reprimanded severely for this ineptitude. The editor is just as guilty for failing to validate content before approval.

First skyscraper built in Iboland. Congrats!

Next project for the indigenes - complete 2nd Niger bridge.

In fact to showcase how situation has become for Ibo, even fulani herdsmen went to Enugu and fvckd them up. Security agencies did not arrest and lock up fulani. Instead they packed Ibo youths and their village elders and locked up....and then to add salt to injury govt asked them to pay money to get out of jail

The slaves obliged and paid the money.
All their leaders sat in Lagos while their citizens back home are oppressed and abused on their own soil.


If this is not first class display of slavery i dont know what else to call it.

seunmsg:
It is not enough to be shouting cowards upandawn. List Yoruba's act of cowardice and let's list that of the Ibos. We can then compare and know the real cowards.

The challenge also goes to izombie who was shouting use and dump yesterday. I have listed the number of times that the north used and dumped the entire Ibo race. I expect you to do the same but you disappeared since then. I am still waiting for you.

They are footmat for everybody. Even Ijaw used them. Ohanaeze gave 100% support to Jonathan free without bargaining for anything. When Jonathan was nominated for 2nd term guess what he did, he sidelined Ibo and picked Sambo again as VP.

Now, count how mny Hausa Buhari don lock up or Yoruba in prison versus the Ibos they have snatched and locked up or killed since Jonathan was kicked out. So who is a sorry case in Nigeria? It cant be Yoruba or Hausa, not even Ijaw whose son messed up the nation. Instead they started persecuting and oppressing yanmiri who Jonathan called his pillars.

So why Jonathan not come out now and defend Ibo? Na only Yoruba can protect Ibo but they have misstepped and we put them underfoot for evwrybody to step on.

dadabashua1:
you know they say in politics no permanent friend or enemy only permanent interest. so even though he helped them may b they feel his plans and actions will go against their own interest.

They are afraid of his might. Same morbid fear that led them to lock Awo up so they can whip Ibo @$$.

They are about to get Tinubu out. But guess who will suffer the repercussion? Ibo.

Tinubu go form another party now. If he no do am another Yorubaman form party.

How many party Ibo don form and succeed? None! So who should be pained here?

Eastactivist:
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Na this stuff you jes dey raise brows for...

My friend if this is all you have then am sorry you are empty upstairs...

Yoruba's are born cowards... The world knows that.

Let us list all the acts of cowardice by each region and see who truly is coward.

Start with when Murtala threatened to go get Ojukwu in Enugu and the bearded warlord dissapeared, even his adc could not find him.

I have all the escapes of ibo men, one by one.

....abi na the Chief Justice that took off when heat was close by and he forgot his little son behind in govt quarters?

KwaraRat:
The north is firmly in control of the Federal govt.

Something the Yoruba elite have been craving for since 1953 but have never smelt.

Forget Obasanjo presidency. That one was an army arrangement and not a yoruba affair.

Tinubu and co thought they could outsmart buhari but who is the fool now?

So after three failed attempts with backing from North why didnt you put Buhari in govt?

Why did it take Yoruba intervention to do successfully in one attempt what took North three failed attempts to accomplish

Answer.

Of course in a matter like this I allow yanmiris to jubilate and knock the Yorubas before we step in to deflate and spoil their joy.

Yanmiris open your ears. Mai rago open your ears too and pass the buck of this message up to Yakassai.

Yoruba is already enjoying regionalism and our collocation with you in Nigeria is a pseudo- contract....non binding, yet assenting on account of trade offs necessary to retain balance in our own political viaion for Yorubaland.

Decades ago there was an enterprise in the North called NNDC, Nothern Nigeria Development Commission. This was a brainchild of economists and political leadership in North. Where is that commission today? In its lifetime NNDC provided lifeline for policy formulation and there were think tanks that produced policy papers for Nothern rulers and administrators to govern Nigeria. Tanko Yakassai was one of the members in the think tank..

Part of their political maneuvers is the application of the geo-term "North" to use as an instrument of territorial control through cultural domination and monopoly for all the lands that fall on the Northern banks of River Niger and Benue.

There used to be a co-joined state called Benue-Plateau State. The Plateau is North of the river but the Benue is not. So why is Benue a Northern land? So it can be dominated culturally and then monopolised.

Kwara State which included Kogi used to be known as West Central State. Besides it is on the South bank of the river. So how did it become a Northern State?

Awolowo saw into all these ploys. For those who are not aware, Action Group had an underground intelligentsia group stationed in UI and they were given mandate to prproduce intelligent reports on each of the regions highlighting their strengths and challenges. This group evolved and served the UPN. I dont know if they still exist and are serving anyone today but I doubt it.

Part of their submissions led to backdoor incursion of Yoruba into North. Northerners wanted Kwara and Kogi to be Northern territories for politicall advantage. Yoruba wanted the two be our reach into the Northern frontier for economic monopoly.

Look at Nigeria today, is there any corporation in Nigeria bigger than Odua Investment Company? Is there any enterprise bigger than Ibile Holdings? Is there any commission more accomplished than DAWN?

So what is there to envy in North? Is it bokoharam? Is it failed enterprises littered all over Kaduna, Kano and Maiduguri? Even political power that they commanded in uniform has shifted to SW since democracy took root.
Who is the political game changer in Nigeria today? Yoruba!

Instead of pointing accusation of envy at SW what Yakassai must admit to is that Muslim North has always been afraid of Christian North and core North has fear that middlebelt is agitating for political shift away from Northern label. This fear is why fulani herdsmen are employed by North and deployed for mercenary job to pelt middlebelt with lead and arson and shatter their resistance spirit.

Yakassai was a member of the think tank in NDDC he cannot be unfamiliar with North's fear of the middlebelt and the consequence if they were ever allowed to attain self determination or rise up to the call and demand for a new geopolitical zone called Middlebelt.

Yorubas call for restucturing will ultimately lead into that. This is why Yakassai is upset!

I dont need to ask, when i see "STORM" on a storyline i know ethnicity of the writer.

So what, the author of this thread never see charm before

That should not be an intrigue on African soil.

East has never been developed independently by its people, always waiting for FG to come with hands out. Likewise they have never been able to launch and operate a successful political party.

North is more developed than East and have managed successfully multiple poliical parties.

In comparison East is the least developed of the three. This is attested to by the high population of Internally Displaced Persons of Ibo origin scattered about the landscape of Nigeria because of the unbearable rot back in Iboland.

@post
Its collapse wont stop Ibo from escaping hardship to find refuge in Yorubaland.

Igboid:
How exactly was Abner unfamiliar with the Nigerian groups. Lol! The history and achievements of Nigerian groups are well documented. You have no proof of Abner not knowing about Nigerian groups other than your bias.


Politically weak as how? What's the link between political power and economic prosperity in this case? The North is supposed to be the most politically strong group in Nigeria today, yet the most backward in all ramifications.
In terms of the era in discuss, Ndiigbo were politically stronger than Yorubas. Of the three regions,we had two Igbo premiers in Osadebey and Okpara.

What substantial resource do you speak of? The East always had coal, palm oil and even Cocoa. You have no point here once again.


You assessment is rather subjective without facts and figures.
This is onitsha in during the era in discuss: https://www.nairaland.com/2497740/vintage-pictures-onitsha-anambra-before

Imagine asking me to start posting pics? To what's end?

You guys just throw out list of abstracts.

I said we can wrap up the argument to show who is on side of truth. Pictures says it all.

We can support Clark with pictures of his claims.

Can you bring pictures to support the developments you claim in Anber's fallacies?

ezeagu:
Bring out the human development stats for the regions then we can discuss. Otherwise there's nothing else.

Clark just did!

Igboid:
Anber work was published. And he cited his references.

He is a third party with no parochial interests.

I'd take his work over lies propagated by Yoruba media propaganda.
Repeated by senile dumb Clark with no statistical back up.
He dropped his references. It's left for you to look for them. If you doubt the authenticity of his work.

Your personal opinion about him is inconsequential in the matter

You should be concerned about the quality of Anber's work for many reasons.

1. He is unfamiliar with the land and people his work is based on.
2. He proposes that you were ahead of every ethnic group in development but yet unable to effectively explain why you were politically weak.
3. Of all the credits he gave to East and its people there are no substantial resource, whether in material or production on ground to back up the claims.

We can show pictures of Cocoa House, Ikeja industrial layout, Ilupeju industrial layout, Western Nigeria Broadcasting Corporation, Liberty Stadium......Ahmadu Bello Stadium, Kaduna municipality, Ahmadu Bello University and so on. Achievements that support Baba Clark's claims for West and North.

Do you have pictures of East before the war and can we see how they supportAnber's claims of your developments?

ezeagu:
MayorofLagos, if Awo and Bello developed these regions and the East was lagging behind, why does the east have the highest human development today outside of Lagos and Abuja?

Thank you for bringing up that question. I almost feel like that question deserves its own thread away from this.

Ope.n a thread to discuss it and i will join to share input.

ezeagu:
What does that have to do with anything?

Plenty! For one it displaces your argument against Elder Clark's assertion that East had no means to develop the way Awo developed West and Bello developed North.

Igboid:
They are the bitter truth you hate to hear, because you are covered with falsehoods.

You are still quoting Paul Anber,a foreigner who never set foot in Nigeria but took accounts of his book from Achebe. Did Paul study the Yoruba to get a fair sense of their comparative position with Ibo? NO. He was fed by Chinua Achebe, a disgruntled man who if it was not for the benevolence of Yoruba would not have amounted to anything. Anber was the outlet Achebe used to achieve his revision and twisting of social indices from their true records.

Anber said he got his information from office of statistics. That office is still in existence, bring us records from Nigerian archives showing where each region was and had accomplished in the 50s. I bet you Ibo is behind Hausa.

ezeagu:
Did you not see the breakdown of eastern Nigeria? How many people are in old Mid-West? Even if you are correct, if Coastal tribes made up a mere 2% and we assume Asaba and co were put into Western Nigeria as 1%, then 9% of the town was still from non-Igbo Western Nigeria in 1929! Maybe it's malaria.

This is no ground for hypothesis of ifs and maybes....

in 1956 did Eastern Nigeria produce Cocoa, yes or no What part and where is the record of your production?

sunnyb0b0:
You are beating about the bush. How can u claim cocoa for the West when Cross River state in the eastern region us the second highest cocoa producing state in the country?

Stop vomiting gibberish all in the name of posting comments. No western state comes close to first 5 in palm oil production and yet u claim palm oil production is glory for also producing palm oil while denying He eastern region same for cocoa even though the second highest cocoa producing state in Nigeria is an Eastern state.

In the period Clark is referencing there was nothing called Cross River State. True or false?

So bring record of cocoa production in Eastern Nigeria in 50s ad 60s.

ezeagu:
Don't be sheepish, this is about historical accounts, many things have happened since then to have the status quo as it is.

"In 1929, ethnic groups (according to regions) in Enugu town were represented in the
following proportions:

From Northern Nigeria – 2%
From Western Nigeria – 10%
From Eastern Nigeria – 87% (Coastal tribes, such as Calabar, etc. – 2%; Igbo – 85%)
(Hair, 1954:3)."

http://iussp2009.princeton.edu/papers/90623

In 1929, Asaba was considered Western Nigeria.
Anything west of river niger was Western.

Where do you guys get your bs?