₦airaland Forum

LOL you will not believe it if I say to you that I did not read your innitial post before I made my previous post, Neither have I read the article you quoted

Haliburton is the only credible winner of the war

I agree with most of your point except the bit below

Without directly reconnecting back to our spiritual and cultural values, I’m not sure if we are ever going to witness the elevation of our nation back to the top any time soon

What I think we rather need is ethical redifinition that takes into cognisance the complex nature of our country

I think a strategy aimed at encouraging a secular society will be suffice.

More reasons why people should not be assesed on who their father is?

Ribadu Vs Aondoakaa (the present cross-roads of Nigerian politics)

Ribadu: His father was Nigeria's defence minister in the first republic, in essence he was born with the silver spoon but the man Mallam Nuhu Ribadu has built an unblemished career in the Police rising to his current post as EFCC boss. He is currently putting his life on the line to make sure our tomorrow is better than our today (regardless of any sentiments anyone will have).


Aondoakaa on the otherhand was never known, not a lot of people outside Benue State knew such a surname with weired mixture of vowells existed. A fact which accounts to why so many people had difficulties pronouncing his name innitially, Newspapers even had difficulties spelling it.
The man Micheal Aondoakaa at the Senate screening spoke about his humble upbringing and how he could hardly afford 3 square meals as an undergraduate student at University of Maidugiri. But today as "Chief Law Officer" (as he loves to refer himself) he has done more protecting the very stucture and system that dehumanised his early life. Not even considering that loads of people are going through what he went through as a kid.


So its not about who your father was but who you are and what values you subscribe to.

I dont think anybody should be demonised because their father is IBB or Abacha

What is more important is whether the sons have realised the mistakes of their fathers.

I think President Bush is running out of ideas on how to revive the American failing economy.

Maybe the best thing is to cause foreign frictions, our world against their world, so as to get the support of ordinary Americans.

I will honestly be shocked if dele momudu held a different view on corruption

His business thrives when people are ready to display affluence, whether legitimately earned or not. Since EFCC came on board all those who steal state funds and run to Ovation to display them are more cautious. Probably causing a reduction in Dele Momudu's customers.

Dele Momudu is simply protecting his corrupt clients.

I can not help but think the President needs that advice more than the rest of us.

If not for anything his actions are inconsistent with his words and that smacks of dishonesty.

ifyalways:
a senator in our midst??whats the big deal?it has not stopeed my ikebe from getting bigger has iti know here he is, at the romance room

we wont know the answer to that question without pictures LOL

ono:
McKren,
Please state one naija newspaper with Nairaland posts - with links, and I'll believe you.

LOL

I know that while you were making that demand you obviously know that I can't produce one

If you were and editor or Nigerian Politician will you reference Nairaland or any other discussion forum for that matter?

You are such a funny guy

I wish them luck

But out of curiousity

Why has Ibori refused to approach another court in London to give him immunity from investigation and prosecution by London Met police. Why is he rather defending his case where he is charged by the London Met.

Does it mean the UK Government has no respect for "rule of law"

But out of curiousity

Why has Ibori refused to approach another court in London to give him immunity from investigation and prosecution by London Met police. Why is he rather defending his case where he is charged by the London Met.

Does it mean the UK Government has no respect for "rule of law"

It is Micheal Aondoakaa's new joker. The President's order on him reads

Furthermore, the President has directed the Attorney-General of the Federation to give the fullest possible cooperation to the officers of the Metropolitan Police in their quest for evidence of offences allegedly committed by Ibori

At this stage it becomes impossible for Micheal Aondoakaa to gather any facts for London Met, meanwhile remember that London Met can not go to Delta State to gather facts without through the office of the AGF.

The AGF is using State might to fight the State.

Afam take it easy with the tribal comments, the original poster of this thread opened the door for such comments in the first place.

why call it an 'Igbo' car, if not to emphasise on the tribal origin? Not that I have anything against that, but when you allow room for something, you give it a chance to manifest.

Most of the comments have simply expressed doubt and lack of faith in anything Nigerian, some borne out of bitter personal experiences, some out of pure and adulterated tribal hatred, and others just tongue-in-cheek.

and with regards to the Power thing, let the Igbos sort themselves out if they can, the other portions will have no choice but to wise up and solve their own problems too. Bart Nnaji is doing a good job with Geometric, Yar'adua seems to consider him important enough to consider an adviser on the power issue.

Once again, we all wait for the unveiling of the car, and the quality of the parts and so on. I hope it turns out to be a quality product. If something is truly good, All Nigerians will embrace it regardless of origin, If not, na only hausa people for dey chop Suya.

To the people screaming maintenance maintenance, Nigeria engineering Works (NEW) Nnewi has been making ceiling fans, A/C's and others for a while, so has Fred Engineering and other concerns. Honda has been manufacturing bikes in Nigeria for a while too, and they function well, so have many other facilities in Nigeria. The fact that we have not 'indigenously' produced our own car doesn't mean we don't have people who can maintain things.

the general society may lack a maintenance culture, but determined individuals who have proper business+manufacturing culture produce quality products and maintain them too. If the budding manufacturer knows his onions, hires capable hands and focuses on quality, I have no doubt the products will be good. I hope those wishing for the downfall of this project are disappointed in the end.

Absolutely spot on, the originator of the thread got it all wrong by his title.

The success of this car is better guaranteed if it is seen as a Nigerian car than an Ibo car

reason: No matter how great a product is, it can only survive if there is a market for it. And I personally believe this product will be more successful if its initial market pool is drawn from the 140million Nigerians than from the 20million Igbos

I am not suprised as I have seen so many times how views expressed on Nairaland end up in the dailies the next day.

Nigeria is undergoing a virtual revolution, when views are expressed on Nairaland they end up the popular views in the media and somehow by that we have been able to get the Government to change some of its policies.

This process is more civilised and less destructive compared to the traditional street protest. It also Gives Nigerians worldwide to partake in Nation building.

For those of us who might end up in politics someday, it offers us a platform for virtual political tutelage.

I think more Nigerian politicians should come to Nairaland and learn world class politics

EEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even President Yaradua does not have immunity from investigation. The Constitution only grants the President immunity from Prosecution not investigation but the Delta State High Court has granted Ibori Imunity from investigation.

So that what this simply means is that, if London Met Police comes to Nigeria they can not even go to Delta to hear from the source. The debt profile of the state can not be compared with the infrastructure on ground. So in essence the Journey by London Met Police to Nigeria might be an excersize in futility afterall.

I always new Micheal Aondoakaa will come up with something new.

Is there a way out of these, can the Chief Justice of Nigeria order accelerated hearing?? Can someone suspend the so called Justice Okeke and transfer the case for accelerated decision?? Can the AGF be relieved of his duty so that he does not continue using state might to fight the state
Or is President Yaradua's new reassurance that he is commited to the fight againts corruption a hoax afterall? Only time will tell

If drastic measures are not taken to save us this embarrasment we will simply say goodbye to President Yaradua's Nigeria.

I will commend Thisday for just one thing, inspite of Nduka Obaigbena's close relation with the Presidency he will rather choose his words than report outright lies in issues against the interest of the Presidency. But one thing is certain they will rather avoid outright criticism of unfair Government activities and can not be said to be 100% unbiased.

Kobojunkie:
I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you there. The problem is not necessarily the people but what the people have seen and come to know of. The fact that we find it hard to maintain the tokunbos speak volumes. If we can not maintain that which we already have, how do we know we will be able to maintain that which we do not have yet? I must say the truth is in the pudding. Kind of like a fish in an aquarium but keeps asking the parents for a dog. If the child can not even take care of the fish, how do you trust the child to take care of the dog

It is easier to manage maintenance of Newly produced cars if the factories and assembly plants are in your home country than maintaining a completely imported car (whether new or old) if the spares are abroad.

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it is in order: Igbo Made Jeep.

We should all embrass it.

BMW = baverian motor works.

It is made by the proud 'Bayerns'; yet everyone/Germans see at as German machine.

Good point

I-Man

All am saying is standard agencies should encourage these companies to attain world class standards by continuos improvement programmes but not to shut the plant outrightly like we have done in the past because it falls short of world class standard.

That being said Minimum Safety Standards should not be compromised like you said as that will simply amount to manufacturing death traps.

You might be suprised to see someone from standards organisation of Nigeria coming forward to close this plant because it does not conform to ISO.

All hands must be on deck to make projects like this succeed, people and government should encourage improvement rather than demonise this company.

naijaway:
nice one, but can u change that to Nigeria-made jeeps and buses. No disrespect just an opinion.

Seconded

I honestly thought of that but their are obviously too many to mention

But the fact of the matter is that only consistent readers of various Nigerian newspapers over time can have an argument on this and any attempt to provide instances might only be a weak attempt at referencing what people already know.

However those that have not spot the difference should begin to watch out for the selfless support for War against corruption by the PUNCH compared to other papers like the SUN.

The PUNCH has been one newspaper on the side of Nigerians and the future of this country in the fight against corruption.

Well that is my view, dissident views welcomed.

I think Ahmadu Ali should be sent to Burma, he will have a good working relationship with the Burmese Government.

The man can not depart from his Garrison nature.

The battle is not over though!!!!!!!!

The EFCC must ensure that whatever evidence they provide is the same that will find its way to London Met Police, this AGF is capable of editing or replacing dossiers.

Their must be a control check

The AGF is not in tune with latest advances in technology and how Nigerians have embrased ICT as the world turns a global village.

He thinks we are still in the age when a public servant does anything they like merely because he has the support of the President. Spins anything they like in the Nigerian media hoping nobody will know the truth.

Virtually every Nigerian who wants to has a copy of his letter to Ibori's counsel in their computer, and posterity will judge him on the path he is towing.

We are watching

Big B1:
Mckren,

In spite of the fact that we see things differently 110% of the time, I must attest that you're one of the most exceptional Nigerians I've encountered on Nairaland.
I admire your sincerity, maturity level, conviction and the way you tend to comport yourself even when things seem not to be going your way. Your inimitable ways make you different from the rest.

But I still can't stand you!

One love!

LOL , 110% (110% in modular mathematics equates to 10% disagreement which means we agree 90% of the time) ****** Jokes

Every society has those who subscribe to right-wing and left-wing values, but all believe in success of the society. Their is strenght in diversity. If we agree most times on Nairaland I think we would have been bored out of this place.
But the fact remains that when it comes to foreign policies most reasonable and organised societies will always agree.

A fact which explains consistency in US foreign policy whether democtats or republicans; or consistency in UK foreign policy whether Conservative or Labour.

Biggie
Gues I get emotional at times but you still remain one of my best pals on Nairaland.

One Love

And BBC speaks,

Nigeria official's $35m refrozen 

Mr Ibori's assets are said to include a jet and London property
The London High Court has ordered the refreezing of former Nigerian governor James Ibori's $35m (£17m) assets that police think are the proceeds of crime.
The assets, believed to include a Bombardier private jet, were the subject of a restraint order in August.

It was lifted last week thanks in part to a letter from Nigeria's attorney general saying Mr Ibori had not been "charged, tried or convicted".

But now Mr Ibori cannot use his assets while the police make their case.

He is one of several former Nigerian state governors who remain wanted for questioning in London on money-laundering charges.

Setbacks

It was in August this year that London's Metropolitan Police Service first obtained a freeze on the former Delta State governor's worldwide assets under Britain's Proceeds of Crime Act.

 
The $35m is said to include a Bombardier private jet and property in London as well as money in bank accounts.

The law permits police in Britain to apply for suspect monies to be frozen in the pre-trial stage of a criminal investigation.

Mr Ibori's London-based lawyers, Speechly Bircham, obtained a letter from Nigerian Attorney General Michael Aondoakaa stating that Mr Ibori had been investigated but not charged, tried or convicted in Nigeria "relating to money laundering or any other offences".

This helped persuade Judge Goymer of Southwark Crown Court that there was insufficient proof the assets were the proceeds of crime and he vacated the August order last week.

But the Met told the BBC News website that they have been granted leave to appeal against Judge Goymer's ruling.

"Leave to appeal the discharge was granted at the High Court on Monday 8 October, and pending a full appeal by the Crown the Application of Restraint has been reinstated," a Met spokesman said.

No date has been set for that appeal hearing, so in effect there is no time limit imposed on the police who confirm that the investigation by their Police Proceeds of Corruption Unit into Mr Ibori's affairs continues.

Nigeria's war on corruption

A series of recent setbacks into corruption investigations have led several commentators to question newly elected Nigerian President Umaru Musa Yar'Adua's commitment to tackling grand corruption as well as the actions and motives of his attorney general.

Another former governor wanted for questioning in London is Joshua Dariye of Plateau State.

In May this year the Nigerian government obtained a judgement granting them the $850,000 proceeds from the sale of a London property he owned, and in June they also obtained a judgement in their favour of the $5.7m (including accumulated interest) seized from Mr Dariye's UK bank accounts.

Observers say that Nigeria still has to overcome a culture in which political office is seen as bringing huge rewards and where political allegiances matter more than honour or honesty. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7035427.stm

Gosh someone should Obtain the so called letter Aondoakaa claims the British wrote him which exonerated him from complicity.
This AGF is shameless, he is still telling lies, I promise him very soon the details of that letter will be available on the World Wide Web.

Without any protest from the public

Micheal Aondoakaa is capable of replacing or editing any evidence provided for the appeal. As the evidence will still need to go through his office.

And talking about being right, what about that statement in the letter

[quote[b]]"Underlining the importance of obtaining the evidence, he informed the AGF that non-obtaining may lead to abandoning our 'appeal against discharge of the restraint order.'"[/b]
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JustGood:
someone said Bill Gates has done a lot of work in terms of philantrophy: is that enough justification for a Nigerian visa?

If the man no file correct papers, make them reject the application. There are some people here who seem to stupidly rubbish anything Nigerian and warmly say that everything American is heaven-sent. Hopefully, these people will kepp their children away from other Nigerian children so that we will know their loyalty is with America.

yeye people

Honestly when I read such comments you can only wonder if they were granted American Passport last week.

I honestly don't understand why fat bank accounts can become substitute to VISA application form.
When Bill Gates went or goes back to fill out his application, he was or will obviously be granted VISA.