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TheSuperNerd:
Football Players of the 21st Century with the best ratio of Goals + Assists per game in the National team: Osimhen in Top 3.


1. Neymar: 1.05

Goals + Assists - 130
Goals - 76
Assists - 54
Games - 124
Ratio: 1.05 G+A per game


2. Victor Osimhen: 1.05

Goals + Assists - 23
Goals - 15
Assists - 8
Games - 22
Ratio: 1.05 G+A per game


3. Erling Haaland: 1.04

Goals + Assists - 24
Goals - 21
Assists - 3
Games - 23
Ratio: 1.04 G+A per game


4. Lionel Messi: 0.86

Goals + Assists - 144
Goals - 93
Assists - 51
Games - 167
Ratio: 0.86 G+A per game


5. Mohamed Salah: 0.85

Goals + Assists - 74
Goals - 49
Assists - 25
Games - 87
Ratio: 0.85 G+A per game


6. Harry Kane: 0.83

Goals + Assists - 65
Goals - 51
Assists - 14
Games - 78
Ratio: 0.83 G+A per game



7. Memphis Depay: 0.82

Goals + Assists - 69
Goals - 42
Assists - 27
Games - 84
Ratio: 0.82 G+A per game



8. Kylian Mbappe: 0.80

Goals + Assists - 49
Goals - 31
Assists - 18
Games - 61
Ratio: 0.80 G+A per game


9. Romelu Lukaku: 0.78

Goals + Assists - 80
Goals - 68
Assists - 12
Games - 103
Ratio: 0.78 G+A per game


10. Cristiano Ronaldo: 0.77

Goals + Assists - 148
Goals - 118
Assists - 30
Games - 193
Ratio: 0.77 G+A per game


11. Serge Gnabry: 0.76

Goals + Assists - 29
Goals - 20
Assists - 9
Games - 38
Ratio: 0.76 G+A per game







Courtesy: @ThePopFoot & Nerdie's Correction Modifications on Messi stats and Omission of Osimhen.




Note: ThePopFoot Acct on twitter blocked me not quite long just for pointing out their blatant Omission of Victor Osimhen from their G+A stats compilations for NT in the 21st Century.
All I did was drop Osimhen's stats and G/A Ratio saying their research is incomplete and they ran to the block button. E pain them.

I also modified/corrected Messi’s assists stats. He should sit higher on their original list (shown below) and Osimhen will be just behind Neymar. I haven't had time to cross check the others so I run with that for now. The Major Point of all this is to show where Osimhen sits among the Elites for NT performances and stats in the 21st Century.

Good work, Nerdie.

komekn:
I think you really lack knowledge, understanding and insight. . That proposition is essentially nonsensical.

I want you to compare the level of coaching, support staff (sports science) not, defensive and offensive specialist coaching staff add that to the high quality of even world class managers that some of our players are exposed to for many seasons.

And now tell me what Salisu, Eguavon and co are going to teach them in two weeks compared to Thier clubs.

Remember you said, A LOT OF THINGS.

Why are you so quick to tag people as lacking understanding. A little patience to discern ideas conveyed by others will not hurt.

Every exposure both on the club or national platforms are opportunities for immense growth.
On national platforms, players get the privilege of exposure to different philosophies and approaches to the game not just from the coaches, but also from fellow players.
this is so good even to the point of players picking up new techniques from coaches and fellow players.

In the match against Portugal, did you notice the instruction Paul Onuachu gave to Bassey.

codemaniacs:
Ejuke is not steeped in entertainment football.. he creates chances and assists and that's what S.E needs on the wings especially the LW.. Tella and Lookman are not ahead of him.. Lookman turned to a ghost against Portugal... Tella hasn't played for the S.E yet so I can't judge him...

if Chukwueze was affected by such then he may have scored against Portugal because all he had to do when he was one on one apart from shoot was move the ball to his left or do a feint and dribble the keeper and score or lob the keeper...

Ejuke has the highest number of assists for Hertha Berlin despite averaging 53 minutes per game.

jihday:
passion don’t win games, solid tactical plan does and that’s what Saudi exhibited today

Correct exposition.

TheSuperNerd:
No one is saying we should pack the team with players from backwater leagues. Stop twisting the focus point.

The point remains, "FOCUS on the Best from tactical and technical POVs"

In Nigeria's Talents pool situation CURRENTLY, It is IMPOSSIBLE that everything we need to make the Super Eagles great and evolved into a truly world class team is found within the Top 5 leagues alone.


▶️We have Osimhen, Moffi, Lookman, Zaidu, Iwobi, Onyeka, Ndidi and many more within the Top 5 leagues. They all matter and will always make the squad coz they have the quality we need from different technical perspectives.

▶️Outside the Top 5 leagues, we still have Bassey, Abbas, Onuachu, Alhassan, Onyedika, etc.

Bassey regularly gets called up but there are others in this category who also deserves serious lookins going forward for the tactical/technical upliftment of the Super Eagles.

▶️And ofcos we also have very few quality that can add to us but are found in one or two Division 2 leagues. Example is Semi Ajayi who has always been a regular callup.


Now, it is first about what these lads can offer and how they can make us stronger tactically and make our plays more synchronically pleasing.


Truth is if we do focus on quality first, several of the players in the top 5 leagues would still AUTOMATICALLY be RIGHTLY selected but a good number outside the top 5 leagues and even a few in the second division leagues will creep in. The best is to be selected only.


From the tactically balanced best, we can easily build and implement a playing philosophy. Playing philosophies aren't build on players who cannot even hold or pass the ball.


I belong to a field interwoven with various courses in science and medicine where the best is NORMALLY found outside Africa but in my case, I was within Africa when I bagged a special classified research scholarship in the biomedical world beating out tough competition from Asia, other parts of Africa and parts of Europe. How I did it? I studied. I prepped up. My mentality right from childhood was always to measure myself by World class standards and not by the standards of my immediate institutional environment.

That is how I bagged that research scholarship. Was I European or America-based. Nope... I was African-based and I still kicked asses.

My point? The best or some of the best can also be found outside the normal concentration of high quality talents. Don't be deceived. I am a living example in my own field.

Gracias.

Congrats TheSuperNerd. Spot on.
This is really wonderful.

JohnBullMySon:
Interesting question. Before I answer, I'll first want to let you understand that my earlier writeup does not necessarily speak of my personal view of gay people/practice but rather, what I believe is the proper public and state approach with respect to human rights and democratic freedoms.

Secondly, there is some conception that those who support gay rights are degenerates who have a "demonic agenda" to destroy society. Or closeted gay people who are hiding. First of all, I'M NOT GAY and If I came across homosexual practices i would naturally be disgusted. I have zero romantic interest in any guy. Ninety percent of people who support gay rights in western countries have no interest in being gay. We are just more concerned about the quality of life and happiness for minority groups and making the world more livable for everyone. That's why you notice that liberal government support for gay rights usually goes along with stuff like, Conservationism, Green energy, Wildlife protection, Climate protection, democracy, refugee aids and so on.

Now coming to your question. My take on bestiality is generally negative. Both personally and legally. I'll elaborate on the latter. Bestiality follows almost the same logic as Pedophilia. Even worse not just because the animal is less intelligent and easily coerced into performing sex acts but also because animals do not on their own ask humans for sex. They are usually trained into it by humans who want to use the animal for sex. This is arguably animal abuse. That's if a logical counterargument even exists at all. Animals are less intelligent and can be deceived into anything. Secondly almost all animals do not have casual sex. and have sexual practices different from us. Lastly there is no evidence to prove that animals find humans sexually attractive. It is likely the other way round.

Additionally, note that the most liberal governments generally take a strong stand against bestiality and pedophilia. So support for gay rights does not equate to support for all manner of sexual ambitions by randy people. This is important to note please.

Alright let's get back to the world cup.

Nature made animals different, less intelligent and therefore ineligible for sexual intercourse with humans.
Nature programmed humans to be considered as child (minor) at certain ages and therefore deemed not mature enough for certain decisions which includes sex.

These issues does not border entirely on consent, but on the progress and safety of life.

An animal can be trained (brainwashed) into having sex with humans. An animal can be trained into desiring sexual intercourse with humans, does that make it safe and proper to indulge animals.
Pornography, peer influence, can brainwash a minor into thinking that he or she is ready to make certain decisions which includes sex. Sex with a minor is a crime, whatever the circumstance, it is considered rape. I say this because there have been a case of pedophilia where the female perpetrator made it clear that it was the male (a minor) that begged her. She confessed this after she was apprehended by the boy's parents.
Some few humans are brainwashed into believing that they are gay by nature, whereas it is very stark that nature did not make it so.

It is never about consent, it is ever about what protects and promotes life.

Blueelf:
As a team, we are below average

Unarguable

A coach assembles a team. When the coaching is average or below average so is the team.

How can you explain having Ndidi and Aribo in the middle with Lookman and Simon on the Wings, if this is not poor coaching, tell me what it is. How can these players string passes together.

elyte89:
So what are Dey? World class?


Dey re even below average sef ...a team dt can’t hold on to d ball for more Dan 2-3minutes is piss poor ,when last have u seen eagles play transitional football from d back up to d front in d last 6-7years. Make una Dey whine una sef
A team wout football philosophy is rubbish

Poor coaching as seen in wrong personnel deployment, poor tactics.
We actually do have decent players.

fabyom:
Man for man only few teams in the world have the calibre of our attacking strength. We need to get our midfield combination right to help our attack. Our major problem is CB and goalkeeping.
Had it been we had solid goalkeepers we would have won the AFCON and qualify for the world cup. The goalkeepers cost us.

Yes.

JohnBullMySon:
[center]MY TAKE ON THE RECENT LGBT DISCOURSE/DEBATE
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One thing I do not like about gay advocacy by some Western governments and corporations is the partisan nature and the unnecessary importance attached to it. I don't believe that personal matters should become overly prioritized by governments to the extent that security and crime, poverty and economy, and issues regarding the quality of social and public life become secondary considerations. At most, governments should play a more diplomatic role by ensuring that the rights of gay and religious people are equally fought. For example, anti-gay laws are not the only issue in Qatar. Christians and other religious people face discrimination and imprisonment as well, but little emphasis has been made on it. The same goes for right-wing governments who have made it a priority to attack anything the left supports. Truth is that advocacy should be accompanied by reason and diplomacy. Qatar was never going to change their rules and there is the risk of dividing the World cup along political lines.

However, this is not to say that I am against gay rights and equal marriage rights. No one at all should be made to live a miserable life to please a government or "tradition". I will only support any anti-gay laws if it is established that there is not a single gay person in Qatar. Governments exist for humans. Humans do not exist for the government but the government for humans. As long as a practice does not infringe on the rights and existence of others, no government has the right to subjugate any minority in order to promote a certain definition of "right", "morality" or "national identity". We are all species before citizens.

This has nothing to do with whether I like homosexual practices or not, but my nature is fairness and equity even with people I don't agree with. Whether you like gay people or not, stop imposing punishments and subjugation on them. I find it funny when religious people try to use nature and science to argue against gay people. The same nature and science that has discredited more than half of the events in the scriptures. Another one was comparing gay people to pedophiles. Gay sex is consensual while child sex practices take advantage of a child's vulnerability and inadequate sexual/mental development.

And lastly, y'all should stop blasting gay people as mentally deranged and stupid or with other derogatory names. You are not better than them, and you don't have any right to insult people doing what is frankly not your business. You guys should learn to mind your business FGS. I've never seen gay people gather to insult others. Some say gay people are forcing those practices on them.TBH I have seen many religious people forcing gay people into more "traditional" practices, but I have never seen gay people force someone to become gay. I have seen gay parties attacked and people killed but have never seen any straight parties attacked.

Who exactly is the tormentor? The fundamental Christians who keep talking about a fictional "LGBT agenda" are still the ones looking for how to impose religious revival and practice of Christian nationalism on everyone in their countries. Fundamental Christians do not even believe in the separation of church and state. Diversity is alien to religious fundamentalists. They enforce uniformity by nature. You either buy their narrative or you go to hell. Literally that's what they say.

Please note that my statement is not based on morality or even scientific facts but on common sense. I don't want to define morality for anyone here. Stop defining morality for others. The same Nigerians that have institutionalized corruption, malpractice and tribalism will jump out to preach morality whenever gay people are mentioned. Is that not stupidity?

Biri ka'mbiri. Live and let live. Be matured, diplomatic and stop obsessing over gay people.

Homosexuality, pedophilia and bestialty have a common denominator which is abuse.

comodo:
Give Senegal Osihmen and Iwobi. Netherlands for don collect by now.

Some guys still believes that S.E is a bunch of average players.

JohnBullMySon:
[center]MY TAKE ON THE RECENT LGBT DISCOURSE/DEBATE
[/center]

One thing I do not like about gay advocacy by some Western governments and corporations is the partisan nature and the unnecessary importance attached to it. I don't believe that personal matters should become overly prioritized by governments to the extent that security and crime, poverty and economy, and issues regarding the quality of social and public life become secondary considerations. At most, governments should play a more diplomatic role by ensuring that the rights of gay and religious people are equally fought. For example, anti-gay laws are not the only issue in Qatar. Christians and other religious people face discrimination and imprisonment as well, but little emphasis has been made on it. The same goes for right-wing governments who have made it a priority to attack anything the left supports. Truth is that advocacy should be accompanied by reason and diplomacy. Qatar was never going to change their rules and there is the risk of dividing the World cup along political lines.

However, this is not to say that I am against gay rights and equal marriage rights. No one at all should be made to live a miserable life to please a government or "tradition". I will only support any anti-gay laws if it is established that there is not a single gay person in Qatar. Governments exist for humans. Humans do not exist for the government but the government for humans. As long as a practice does not infringe on the rights and existence of others, no government has the right to subjugate any minority in order to promote a certain definition of "right", "morality" or "national identity". We are all species before citizens.

This has nothing to do with whether I like homosexual practices or not, but my nature is fairness and equity even with people I don't agree with. Whether you like gay people or not, stop imposing punishments and subjugation on them. I find it funny when religious people try to use nature and science to argue against gay people. The same nature and science that has discredited more than half of the events in the scriptures. Another one was comparing gay people to pedophiles. Gay sex is consensual while child sex practices take advantage of a child's vulnerability and inadequate sexual/mental development.

And lastly, y'all should stop blasting gay people as mentally deranged and stupid or with other derogatory names. You are not better than them, and you don't have any right to insult people doing what is frankly not your business. You guys should learn to mind your business FGS. I've never seen gay people gather to insult others. Some say gay people are forcing those practices on them.TBH I have seen many religious people forcing gay people into more "traditional" practices, but I have never seen gay people force someone to become gay. I have seen gay parties attacked and people killed but have never seen any straight parties attacked.

Who exactly is the tormentor? The fundamental Christians who keep talking about a fictional "LGBT agenda" are still the ones looking for how to impose religious revival and practice of Christian nationalism on everyone in their countries. Fundamental Christians do not even believe in the separation of church and state. Diversity is alien to religious fundamentalists. They enforce uniformity by nature. You either buy their narrative or you go to hell. Literally that's what they say.

Please note that my statement is not based on morality or even scientific facts but on common sense. I don't want to define morality for anyone here. Stop defining morality for others. The same Nigerians that have institutionalized corruption, malpractice and tribalism will jump out to preach morality whenever gay people are mentioned. Is that not stupidity?

Biri ka'mbiri. Live and let live. Be matured, diplomatic and stop obsessing over gay people.

What is your take on bestiality.

Curtisaxel10:
"Enforce gay agenda"?

Let me ask you this. When the Premier League had its players wearing shirts saying "Black Lives Matter", did you accuse them of "enforcing racial equality agenda"?

Punishing people for being gay which they did not choose for themselves is just the same as discriminating against people for being black.

The "culture" argument holds no water. There are some cultures in which racism is the norm (e.g Nazi Germany). Can we then excuse Hitler and the Nazis for their racism because "it was their culture"?

Slavery and human sacrifice was part of African culture too before the colonial masters stamped them out.

Some cultural beliefs are evil and deserve to be protested and fought against by all means.

Homophobia is evil. Just as racism, human sacrifice and slavery are evil. No matter what any culture or religion says, these things are evil and must be stopped.

I am not in support of killing people because they identify as g:ay. It is not proper.
but g:ay practise is not just evil. It is an abuse, a violation of that which makes us human.
A strange invention that stands against all things necessary for human progress.

zuchyblink:
except Victor moses,all our foreign borns are mediocres. They no reach Okocha,Kanu,Amunike, Osimehn,Oliseh,Ikpeba,Obagoal and Aghahowa

They are not.

forgiveness:
Moses doesn't have the required defensive capabilities....what?

Most of the players were misplacing passes. Iwobi was the culprit in the first half.

Moses does put up some defensive shifts, but not enough for a 4-4-2 winger. You can study his stats.

Philosopher1979:
This issue is the job of the coach. As a coach you are supposed to know the best formation for your players and the players you need.
Is it that peseiro is not a good coach or what. It seems we don't have good coaches

Let it be that Peseiro is the one entirely in charge of player invitation.

I am yet to label Peseiro a bad coach, at least not yet. I want to exercise patience because our players appear more drilled and better organised, than what i have seen of them in recent times. If you watch closely the transition from defense to attack seems better than before.

It is just that he is yet to get personnel deployment right in his chosen setup.

TheSuperNerd:
When Meliforme first dropped the bombshell that Aribo is not a bonafide midfielder (I, soon after, affirmed this) and almost everyone came for him but he stood strong unfazed coz he knows he is RIGHT (Time has actually proved him so).

Thank you TheSuperNerd.

THE DEFEAT TO PORTUGAL WHAT WENT WRONG?

It has never been about what went wrong, but what keeps going wrong.

"You can't keep repeating a particular routine expecting different outcomes"

Every tactical setup, requires the right personnel for application.
A 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or any other tactical setup and the attendant variations of them, require playing personnel with the right technical and tactical qualities to thrive.
Wingers required to prosecute 4-4-2 have qualities that are quite different from wingers for 4-3-3.

In the former (4-4-2 ) the wingers are directly exposed and in sync with their fullbacks.

They are to do the following:
* Provide cover for their fullbacks. this involves additional defensive abilities.
* Provide support for the forwards.
* The ability to score goals is not primary to what is expected of them.
* They must possess decent ball passing abilities such as the ability to give long balls, crosses, chipped passes.
* They make decisions typical to their roles. for instance, shooting at goal is not usually the first option for a winger in this setup, rather the winger utilises feasible options to make the ball available to the forwards.

In 4-3-3, the winger in this setup is referred to as a forwards or striker. The involvement with their fullback is more diminished because of the presence of a midfield trio, ipso facto They are expected to have more offensive duties than defensive.

The following is expected of them:
* Score goals. This is primary to their roles.
* Assist the Center Forward in many ways ( to be discussed later).
* There is more flexibility to the manner at which the winger contributes to defense. This is essentially a coach's preference or tactical approach. Nevertheless on the average they spend more time in the opposition's half.

In Super Eagles. judging from the descriptions given of wingers in 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 , it is very obvious that we are deploying the wrong personnel in the chosen tactical arrangement. For instance Moses Simon and Ademola Lookman are forwards (strikers) and do not have the required defensive capabilities and passing finesse to thrive as wingers in 4-4-2. They are modern forwards groomed to thrive in a front three. They lack the ability for build up play and ball progression. That is the job of midfielders. That is the job done for them at their clubs. They are usually at the receiving end.

If we must stick to 4-4-2, We will have to go for players who will not only provide good defensive cover, but also decent ball passing ability, players groomed for build up play, and patient on the ball.

AndSunGorilla:
Must we use Akpos and Ekong? Balogun and even Omeruo haven't retired yet, and Semi is still available.

Akpoguma shouldn't be starting games.

joelsteron:
Eagles are boring and predictable while in possession. It's the number one thing JP must tackle. Guess was what led to Rohr sack.
Tonight the opponent weren't static, giving whoever is with the ball several options.
All these were vivid from all their goals.

S.E are very predictable, i mean very predictable, but i must tell you that tonight saw them less predictable and a little more dynamic than what we have known of them. God bless Iwobi. There is a reason i am yet to give up on Peseiro.

What i don't like about him is his non invitation of players that gives him tactical advantage.
Players like Nwakali, Alhassan Yusuf, Chidera Ejuke, Peter Olayinka.

AndSunGorilla:
Your pikin no do well be dat . JP already dropped him once, if he also doesn't rise up to the occasion, he's on his way out too.

Ndidi is praised primarily for his defensive duties. We need him especially now that Akpoguma is pairing Ekong.

Subzero047:
I was actually commending you on your remarkable prediction, Nobody saw a Nigeria loss coming

I saw it.
That's why I opted for 4-4-2, and 4-5-1 during defensive play. Overload the midfield and end the game there.

Ndidi shouldn't have been taken off. He provides good cover for our CB's.

minfelix:
...bro plss let's stop all these check all rohr top notch friendlies against non African teams
Serbia 2-0 Nigeria
England 2-1 Nigeria
Poland 0-1 Nigeria
Brazil 1-1 Nigeria
Ukraine 2-2 Nigeria
Argentina 2-4 Nigeria
The man really kept us closely competitive against world class team with either decent loses or dogded draws or resilient wins....He saved us some blushes against top rated teams....trophy was his major fault

Gernot Rohr had Mikel, Onazi, Etebo in midfield. Mikel left, Onazi battled injuries.
Our games saw it's gravest decline when Etebo is either not in the squad or is not starting.

Subzero047:
Chukwueze has been disgraceful for the SE since the Afcon, decent cameo won't cut it

Chukwueze is class ahead of Moses Simon and Ademola Lookman as things stands. When i saw the lineup, I guessed what the tactics might be and pondered why Lookman will start ahead of Chukwueze that is if we go 4-3-3.

zuchyblink:
They made caricature of me for supporting Rohr.

Gernot Rohr will still go on to lose.

Samueltemi337:
According to owngoal


Starting XI


Francis Uzoho
Tyronne Ebuehi
Bruno Onyemachi
William Troost Ekong
Kevin Akpoguma
Wilfred Ndidi
Alex Iwobi
Joe Aribo
Terem Moffi
Moses Simon
Ademola Lookman

This looks more like 4-3-3, but if it is 4-4-2 then Moses Simon and Iwobi will man the wings, while Ndidi and Aribo will occupy the central midfield. Moffi will play the CF with Lookman as the SS

TheSuperNerd:
I am also interested in seeing how close to the box the likes of Lookman and Simon will operate and how frequently we can get them into such positions when transiting offensively.

Those are exactly my concerns. How can we get the ball to them in the zones where they are most dangerous as wing forwards, that is, in the final third.

I pray we won't be seeing the old stuff with Simon trying hard to move the ball from midfield to attack only to be dispossessed.

do4luv14:
Olympic Games, Nigeria Vs Japan

Thank you.

Danielnino00:
And Etebo has these qualities over Lookman...like for real?

Very yes
The emphasis is on defensive duties and decent ball passing abilities.

typicalgamer:
Una kind they open mouth talk rubbish sha

All because of free speech

What made it rubbish? Give reasons, i am open to sound analysis of the game.
Just relax, gather your reasons, maybe at the end of the day, i might be wrong, but i doubt it.

This is a forum where lovers of S.E gather to discuss S.E games, player selections, tactics. If you believe that someone else is not making sense in his presentation of ideas, then counter it with good sense and reasoning, and not with sentiments.

Danielnino00:
Etebo ahead of Lookman on the wings? Seriously?
When was the last time Etebo played on the wings for the super eagles,if he ever played there at all...

That is 4-4-2, not 4-3-3. In a 4-4-2 tactical setup the wingers are saddled more with defensive duties while providing support for the forwards. Goalscoring is not primary to their function.
They are also expected to possess decent ball passing abilities in order to support the forwards and also to maintain possession.

Samueltemi337:
Has etebo ever played in that position for the super eagles


is Moses Simon not in camp?

I think he has, but can't exactly recall the very instances, but Etebo featured in that position early in his career.

What made you think Moses Simon is the better pick?