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Joebie:
Make we settle this matter.

Give both coaches the best players money can buy to assemble a team. Pep go trounce MOU.

Give them average players. MOU go beat Pep mercilessly.

O pari

komekn:
Statistics are indicative not conclusive.

It's quite possible in fact I am almost certain Ndidi had better statistics than Ngole Kante when it comes to tackles and maybe interceptions. But did anybody EVER think Ndidi was better than Ngole.

I don't think 💬 so.

Some of you guys here are obsessed with statistics and looking at player ratings and using that as the singular basis for player quality.

It's a very very flawed approach.

Papi85:
So with all the hype on midfield sound sultan Alhassan Yusuf na one 18 Abi 19 year old Belgian kid don collect em position for Antwerp’s starting 11?

I don tell una many times Mk una reduce hand for hype here una no gree

This life no balance at all 🤣

typicalgamer:
Your case go tire person o
Go back and look at the age of that inter team and Barca then you’ll tell me what’s up
That Barca team was just starting their dynasty

Mourinho won conference last year now he’s back in Europa final Omo
Fans like you that’s why we’ll always have peseiro as our head coach.

You clearly are a hater I’m sorry

Blueelf:
Wetin be this na



shey na prank be this?

JohnBullMySon:
Lol 😂

Question for Everyone: Besides Osimhen, who else can bench Balogun at the Super Eagles?

komekn:
This is nonsensical.

This is your idea of SHINING in Europe players doing the basics in the most obscure and poor quality leagues in Europe .

If I were to be celebrating and talking about all the Nigerian origin players in the national conference the English 5th tier.

You would be up in arm's doing somersaults and giving a tirade of non stop derogatory abuse. You and quite a few others.

GIFT ORBAN 🇳🇬(2002) WITH A STUNNING HAT-TRICK!!!
THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON SCORING!!!pic.twitter.com/29zjuh6Xu6

— Football Report (@FootballReprt) May 14, 2023

elyte89:
U go c say one day u go post ,ur comment no go show

Kilode…ur blue font argument on dis issue sef don taya😀😀😀

Person way u start d argument with don go marry,born 4 pikin,leave u for d argument…u still Dey go on with anoda moniker😀😀,Mr blue font

komekn:
Agreed but the market never lies.

You are only as good as what clubs are prepared to pay for you.

Players like NWAKALI have no value, nobody is paying a transfer fee for him. He went to Ponferradina on a free, and at best in bankrupt club he will get a year or two.

Essentially because the only place he is rated is here nowhere else.

komekn:
Money 💵 is intrinsically related to o player value.

Good players cost money 🤑.

Poor quality players get paid low level. money .

Your quality is linked to your monetary value , the money 🤑 clubs will pay to get you and the salary they will pay you ❓

Nwakali was the second lowest paid player in Huesca, they attempted to terminate his contract before it's expiry illegally. That is a very pertinent and undeniable assesment of his quality by the club and league.

He moved after that embarrassment to an even lower club Ponferradina that is near bankrupt and has remained in the relegation zone since the start of the season essentially.

So you cannot ignore the value of a player because it's directly linked to the players quality. In this regard money 🤑 cannot be ignored.

komekn:
Then why is he in Segunda division in a club that has built foundation in the relegation zone earning less than €3k a week.

Because he is too good ❓

TheSuperNerd:
And not just any defenders. The much hyped and reputably solid Pierre Kalulu and then German CB top potential, Malick Thiaw.

Okereke deserves his flowers.

Toylove:
Okereke's goal
https://twitter.com/vartatico/status/1653861192505458701?t=Pft8zpZArRXzyhNxZurkSg&s=19[/quote]This is pure entertainment.
The defenders behaved like clowns.

Alfryd:
I don't think they talk to them properly
It we that need them most (truth be told)

TheGoodJoe:
Attacking authenticity would not change the fact of how true it is. Like the one I gave you the link, I followed it closely until someone hit with it. Also, when he made the bet, people followed it. That aside, what I call a formula is what happened in that thread.

Someone showed an option and how he makes selection and wins on a regular basis.

People followed it and some of them hit. In it, someone hit a jackpot.

It was so good that the bookie removed that option.

A predetermined selection method that gives high chances of winning.

TheGoodJoe:

You can also check this thread out, and see if this is luck.

https://www.nairaland.com/6363231/he-won-100-million-betbonaza

TheGoodJoe:

If you read backward on that thread, you will see other people winning with the system. Bet9ja took out the option because the probability of winning big is high. In such a position, it was the winning formula for the person who won it, and those that benefitted at that time.

Others have winning formulas that work for them. If a person does not have such formulas, it becomes trial and luck.

TheGoodJoe:

I think this was his winning post.

https://www.nairaland.com/4263535/football-other-sports-betting-season/1951#67235319

TheGoodJoe:

I think this was his winning post.

https://www.nairaland.com/4263535/football-other-sports-betting-season/1951#67235319

TheGoodJoe:

It depends on orientation. We live in a society that lacks the basic amenities, and few to no opportunities for many. So, it is not rocket science why many hook on it.

However, we have professional sports bettors that make a lot from it. I used to have a neighbor that cashes out at least N2m a month. He does not want to move his stake higher because he does not want betting companies to close in on his system. I also have a friend who quit his job in a construction firm to focus strictly on sports betting. He made so much money that he has retired from sports betting and sticking to the returns he makes from his investment in real estate.

On this forum, a guy shared a system that he has used to make a lot in sports betting with a strategy. He shared the strategy on the forum here and advised people not to stake big. Some did and won until a banker staked huge with it and made about N40m from it. The bookies closed that option.

The thing about these guys is that they are not risk takers but calculate formulas. Only stake when they are sure they will win.

It is because of this I try to avoid telling people that betting is not a job. They should understand the difference between calculated risks and gambling. Gambling means the odds are not in your favor.

Until a person has mastered a betting skill and has cut his risks, it stays a stupid venture risking money on it.

That is my take.

komekn:
Statistics don't capture the complete quality of a pass and or the actions that preceded the pass. It doesn't record it as a deceptive defence splitting through ball that renders three defenders useless.

All you have is pass accuracy, it's academic when taken in isolation. It tells you nothing of substance.

You know you can have more possession in a game and even pass accuracy and loose comprehensively.

You guys who keep talking stats and numbers without watching the players and or game. Need some serious re-education about football, instead of making noise about statistics.

I remember when Manchester City got beat by Brentford, they got schooled by Brentford. Brentford had a mere 56% pass accuracy compared to 86% for Manchester City. Indeed City had 75% possession.

What has all the so called accurate passes done for Liecester City , currently bottom of the EPL and looking at relegation in the face. Getting out of the Championship is not easy. Apart from Tielemans, Maddison and Dewsbury the rest will find it near impossible finding a club in the EPL.

Whst did Ndidi passing do for the SE against Guinea, we lost and scraped through with a penalty.

Don't say what you know NOTHING ABOUT.

komekn:
Everything you say about contemporary Midfield play is largely TRUE. The deceptive movement, the ability with technicality and outright skill and panacea to gain competitive advantage, priceless.

Ndidi was great at tackling and interceptions however, creativity passing range short and long that's not his particular skill set.

Can you teach an old dog 🐶 new tricks not easy ❓

Clubs don't have that time they simply look for the players who do, in the HERE and NOW.

TheSuperNerd:
He is majorly still a shadow of the Ndidi he once was. A shadow of the true improvements he was making up until 2020/21. Using a Bissau game where Ndidi was basically average to talk up Ndidi's technicality like the way you once used passing accuracy % to talk up a non-existent Ndidi passing range is really Stretching it.

Ndidi is technically limited and hasn't shown marked consistent improvements for a good while now. That's the truth.

TheSuperNerd:
It's fine My Good man. Just needed to set the records straight.

Truth is you saw something that many of us didn't want to actively pay attention to.

While we focused on Ndidi's obviously world class Defensive Stats (tackling, interceptions, clearances, ball recoveries and more) which got him the huge attention he revelled in for 3-4 seasons in the EPL up until 2020/21 season, you on the other hand focused on his limited technical quality on the ball. You even called out his poor press resistance and limited passing range. You may not have used these terms verbatim but your posts pointed to them.

I recall you using this to even say you prefer this player or that player to Ndidi and I always opposed your posts from the angle that Ndidi is still the best and most inform midfielder we have out there (which was true at those times).

I honestly even considered your posts very harsh but then I decided to pay closer attention to what you were saying and I found it true.

Time has shown that indeed Ndidi wasn't improving technically and tactically. He is still the tackling/interceptions machine (and he even seems to be struggling with those lately especially tackling) we know but midfield football dynamics has left him behind.

typicalgamer:
I love you 😘
Your statement is too real
Because of one superb performance world people don compare his stats to saka

Forgetting nobody on the world would pick him ahead of saka even his own Villarreal coaches and teammates, even we as fans 😂

JohnBullMySon:
Rohr, Eguavoen and JP all played him on the left wing. No excuse as pertaining to the coach. Besides he's been missing a lot in the SE as well.

TheSuperNerd:
I mean my good man, it's so obvious. And to make it worse, we don't have the midfield personnel to enable the progression of our plays into the 3rd phase of plays in the tactical manner that will bring Chukwueze and his corresponding Wing forwards into the game in support of Osimhen.

JPes is cramping our lads' best traits and refusing to address the tactical needs in certain roles (or maybe not refusing, perhaps he just doesn't know).

Meliforme:
THE DEFEAT TO PORTUGAL WHAT WENT WRONG?

It has never been about what went wrong, but what keeps going wrong.

"You can't keep repeating a particular routine expecting different outcomes"

Every tactical setup, requires the right personnel for application.
A 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or any other tactical setup and the attendant variations of them, require playing personnel with the right technical and tactical qualities to thrive.
Wingers required to prosecute 4-4-2 have qualities that are quite different from wingers for 4-3-3.

In the former (4-4-2 ) the wingers are directly exposed and in sync with their fullbacks.

They are to do the following:
* Provide cover for their fullbacks. this involves additional defensive abilities.
* Provide support for the forwards.
* The ability to score goals is not primary to what is expected of them.
* They must possess decent ball passing abilities such as the ability to give long balls, crosses, chipped passes.
* They make decisions typical to their roles. for instance, shooting at goal is not usually the first option for a winger in this setup, rather the winger utilises feasible options to make the ball available to the forwards.

In 4-3-3, the winger in this setup is referred to as a forwards or striker. The involvement with their fullback is more diminished because of the presence of a midfield trio, ipso facto They are expected to have more offensive duties than defensive.

The following is expected of them:
* Score goals. This is primary to their roles.
* Assist the Center Forward in many ways ( to be discussed later).
* There is more flexibility to the manner at which the winger contributes to defense. This is essentially a coach's preference or tactical approach. Nevertheless on the average they spend more time in the opposition's half.

In Super Eagles. judging from the descriptions given of wingers in 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 , it is very obvious that we are deploying the wrong personnel in the chosen tactical arrangement. For instance Moses Simon and Ademola Lookman are forwards (strikers) and do not have the required defensive capabilities and passing finesse to thrive as wingers in 4-4-2. They are modern forwards groomed to thrive in a front three. They lack the ability for build up play and ball progression. That is the job of midfielders. That is the job done for them at their clubs. They are usually at the receiving end.

If we must stick to 4-4-2, We will have to go for players who will not only provide good defensive cover, but also decent ball passing ability, players groomed for build up play, and patient on the ball.

chrisooblog:
Chukwueze is scoring double against Madrid now if it's Sao Tome and Principe he will be looking like a poor man's Ifeanyi Ekweume. All the same kudos to him.

JohnBullMySon:
Till tomorrow nobody can explain this.

Meliforme:
REASONS WHY PESEIRO SHOULD ADOPT A FRONT THREE AGAINST GUINEA BISSAU

All the invited forwards thrive better when involved in the final phase or phases of attack (goalscoring) rather than in the build up to it. A 4-4-2 system converts some of these forwards to wingers who are more involved in the buildup to goal, thereby not utilising them to the best of their strengths. Moses Simon and Samuel Chukwueze have of late, seen improvements in their game that has made them somewhat a noticeable exception, as they seem more involved in play build up, even at that they have shown to be more efficient in a 4-3-3 as inverted wingers than as wingers in a 4-4-2 setup.
Their performances for club and country as part of both setups further enlightens the degree of their usefulnesses for the roles. They have shown to thrive better as inverted wingers.

Osimhen thrives better as a lone center forward.

High pressing A front three will enable a more intense pressing against the backline of G. Bissau and can force them into errors. A high pressing against their fullbacks might prevent their long ball strategy towards goalscoring.

Meliforme:
IS PESEIRO REALLY A BAD COACH.

The points below should enlighten your reasoning to make or not to make the conclusion regarding Peseiro's phenomenon as the coach well suited for the job.

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Featuring Moses Simon and Samuel Chukwueze in roles they are not best suited. While he is not the only coach guilty of this, he is supposed to be an upgrade. Moses Simon and Samuel Chukwueze's behaviours on the pitch is typical of inverted wingers or forwards. Their involvement in build up plays is very secondary, they are usually at the receiving end. They are meant to receive the ball in zones and in situations where their trademark dribbling maneuvers will either give them a shooting chance at goal, or make a final pass. This is what they know how to do best, why not use them that way.

Those may or may not be good reasons to label him a bad coach, but one thing is very sure, they don't accentuate good hope in him.

TheSuperNerd:
And it's so easy. In my head, I can already picture how I want this team set up in a way that utilises the powers/key traits/xtics of each of our players from defence to Midfield and to attack.

Chukwueze needs to be at the receiving end of lines-breaking balls or passing moves directed to his wing or corresponding final third half space. He shouldn't be receiving balls in the 2nd phase of plays. He should be receiving it in the 3rd phase of plays and applying either the final blows or the killer pass or the pass before the killer pass.