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JohnBullMySon:
[center]MY TAKE ON THE RECENT LGBT DISCOURSE/DEBATE
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One thing I do not like about gay advocacy by some Western governments and corporations is the partisan nature and the unnecessary importance attached to it. I don't believe that personal matters should become overly prioritized by governments to the extent that security and crime, poverty and economy, and issues regarding the quality of social and public life become secondary considerations. At most, governments should play a more diplomatic role by ensuring that the rights of gay and religious people are equally fought. For example, anti-gay laws are not the only issue in Qatar. Christians and other religious people face discrimination and imprisonment as well, but little emphasis has been made on it. The same goes for right-wing governments who have made it a priority to attack anything the left supports. Truth is that advocacy should be accompanied by reason and diplomacy. Qatar was never going to change their rules and there is the risk of dividing the World cup along political lines.

However, this is not to say that I am against gay rights and equal marriage rights. No one at all should be made to live a miserable life to please a government or "tradition". I will only support any anti-gay laws if it is established that there is not a single gay person in Qatar. Governments exist for humans. Humans do not exist for the government but the government for humans. As long as a practice does not infringe on the rights and existence of others, no government has the right to subjugate any minority in order to promote a certain definition of "right", "morality" or "national identity". We are all species before citizens.

This has nothing to do with whether I like homosexual practices or not, but my nature is fairness and equity even with people I don't agree with. Whether you like gay people or not, stop imposing punishments and subjugation on them. I find it funny when religious people try to use nature and science to argue against gay people. The same nature and science that has discredited more than half of the events in the scriptures. Another one was comparing gay people to pedophiles. Gay sex is consensual while child sex practices take advantage of a child's vulnerability and inadequate sexual/mental development.

And lastly, y'all should stop blasting gay people as mentally deranged and stupid or with other derogatory names. You are not better than them, and you don't have any right to insult people doing what is frankly not your business. You guys should learn to mind your business FGS. I've never seen gay people gather to insult others. Some say gay people are forcing those practices on them.TBH I have seen many religious people forcing gay people into more "traditional" practices, but I have never seen gay people force someone to become gay. I have seen gay parties attacked and people killed but have never seen any straight parties attacked.

Who exactly is the tormentor? The fundamental Christians who keep talking about a fictional "LGBT agenda" are still the ones looking for how to impose religious revival and practice of Christian nationalism on everyone in their countries. Fundamental Christians do not even believe in the separation of church and state. Diversity is alien to religious fundamentalists. They enforce uniformity by nature. You either buy their narrative or you go to hell. Literally that's what they say.

Please note that my statement is not based on morality or even scientific facts but on common sense. I don't want to define morality for anyone here. Stop defining morality for others. The same Nigerians that have institutionalized corruption, malpractice and tribalism will jump out to preach morality whenever gay people are mentioned. Is that not stupidity?

Biri ka'mbiri. Live and let live. Be matured, diplomatic and stop obsessing over gay people.

Homosexuality, pedophilia and bestialty have a common denominator which is abuse.

comodo:
Give Senegal Osihmen and Iwobi. Netherlands for don collect by now.

Some guys still believes that S.E is a bunch of average players.

JohnBullMySon:
[center]MY TAKE ON THE RECENT LGBT DISCOURSE/DEBATE
[/center]

One thing I do not like about gay advocacy by some Western governments and corporations is the partisan nature and the unnecessary importance attached to it. I don't believe that personal matters should become overly prioritized by governments to the extent that security and crime, poverty and economy, and issues regarding the quality of social and public life become secondary considerations. At most, governments should play a more diplomatic role by ensuring that the rights of gay and religious people are equally fought. For example, anti-gay laws are not the only issue in Qatar. Christians and other religious people face discrimination and imprisonment as well, but little emphasis has been made on it. The same goes for right-wing governments who have made it a priority to attack anything the left supports. Truth is that advocacy should be accompanied by reason and diplomacy. Qatar was never going to change their rules and there is the risk of dividing the World cup along political lines.

However, this is not to say that I am against gay rights and equal marriage rights. No one at all should be made to live a miserable life to please a government or "tradition". I will only support any anti-gay laws if it is established that there is not a single gay person in Qatar. Governments exist for humans. Humans do not exist for the government but the government for humans. As long as a practice does not infringe on the rights and existence of others, no government has the right to subjugate any minority in order to promote a certain definition of "right", "morality" or "national identity". We are all species before citizens.

This has nothing to do with whether I like homosexual practices or not, but my nature is fairness and equity even with people I don't agree with. Whether you like gay people or not, stop imposing punishments and subjugation on them. I find it funny when religious people try to use nature and science to argue against gay people. The same nature and science that has discredited more than half of the events in the scriptures. Another one was comparing gay people to pedophiles. Gay sex is consensual while child sex practices take advantage of a child's vulnerability and inadequate sexual/mental development.

And lastly, y'all should stop blasting gay people as mentally deranged and stupid or with other derogatory names. You are not better than them, and you don't have any right to insult people doing what is frankly not your business. You guys should learn to mind your business FGS. I've never seen gay people gather to insult others. Some say gay people are forcing those practices on them.TBH I have seen many religious people forcing gay people into more "traditional" practices, but I have never seen gay people force someone to become gay. I have seen gay parties attacked and people killed but have never seen any straight parties attacked.

Who exactly is the tormentor? The fundamental Christians who keep talking about a fictional "LGBT agenda" are still the ones looking for how to impose religious revival and practice of Christian nationalism on everyone in their countries. Fundamental Christians do not even believe in the separation of church and state. Diversity is alien to religious fundamentalists. They enforce uniformity by nature. You either buy their narrative or you go to hell. Literally that's what they say.

Please note that my statement is not based on morality or even scientific facts but on common sense. I don't want to define morality for anyone here. Stop defining morality for others. The same Nigerians that have institutionalized corruption, malpractice and tribalism will jump out to preach morality whenever gay people are mentioned. Is that not stupidity?

Biri ka'mbiri. Live and let live. Be matured, diplomatic and stop obsessing over gay people.

What is your take on bestiality.

Curtisaxel10:
"Enforce gay agenda"?

Let me ask you this. When the Premier League had its players wearing shirts saying "Black Lives Matter", did you accuse them of "enforcing racial equality agenda"?

Punishing people for being gay which they did not choose for themselves is just the same as discriminating against people for being black.

The "culture" argument holds no water. There are some cultures in which racism is the norm (e.g Nazi Germany). Can we then excuse Hitler and the Nazis for their racism because "it was their culture"?

Slavery and human sacrifice was part of African culture too before the colonial masters stamped them out.

Some cultural beliefs are evil and deserve to be protested and fought against by all means.

Homophobia is evil. Just as racism, human sacrifice and slavery are evil. No matter what any culture or religion says, these things are evil and must be stopped.

I am not in support of killing people because they identify as g:ay. It is not proper.
but g:ay practise is not just evil. It is an abuse, a violation of that which makes us human.
A strange invention that stands against all things necessary for human progress.

zuchyblink:
except Victor moses,all our foreign borns are mediocres. They no reach Okocha,Kanu,Amunike, Osimehn,Oliseh,Ikpeba,Obagoal and Aghahowa

They are not.

forgiveness:
Moses doesn't have the required defensive capabilities....what?

Most of the players were misplacing passes. Iwobi was the culprit in the first half.

Moses does put up some defensive shifts, but not enough for a 4-4-2 winger. You can study his stats.

Philosopher1979:
This issue is the job of the coach. As a coach you are supposed to know the best formation for your players and the players you need.
Is it that peseiro is not a good coach or what. It seems we don't have good coaches

Let it be that Peseiro is the one entirely in charge of player invitation.

I am yet to label Peseiro a bad coach, at least not yet. I want to exercise patience because our players appear more drilled and better organised, than what i have seen of them in recent times. If you watch closely the transition from defense to attack seems better than before.

It is just that he is yet to get personnel deployment right in his chosen setup.

TheSuperNerd:
When Meliforme first dropped the bombshell that Aribo is not a bonafide midfielder (I, soon after, affirmed this) and almost everyone came for him but he stood strong unfazed coz he knows he is RIGHT (Time has actually proved him so).

Thank you TheSuperNerd.

THE DEFEAT TO PORTUGAL WHAT WENT WRONG?

It has never been about what went wrong, but what keeps going wrong.

"You can't keep repeating a particular routine expecting different outcomes"

Every tactical setup, requires the right personnel for application.
A 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or any other tactical setup and the attendant variations of them, require playing personnel with the right technical and tactical qualities to thrive.
Wingers required to prosecute 4-4-2 have qualities that are quite different from wingers for 4-3-3.

In the former (4-4-2 ) the wingers are directly exposed and in sync with their fullbacks.

They are to do the following:
* Provide cover for their fullbacks. this involves additional defensive abilities.
* Provide support for the forwards.
* The ability to score goals is not primary to what is expected of them.
* They must possess decent ball passing abilities such as the ability to give long balls, crosses, chipped passes.
* They make decisions typical to their roles. for instance, shooting at goal is not usually the first option for a winger in this setup, rather the winger utilises feasible options to make the ball available to the forwards.

In 4-3-3, the winger in this setup is referred to as a forwards or striker. The involvement with their fullback is more diminished because of the presence of a midfield trio, ipso facto They are expected to have more offensive duties than defensive.

The following is expected of them:
* Score goals. This is primary to their roles.
* Assist the Center Forward in many ways ( to be discussed later).
* There is more flexibility to the manner at which the winger contributes to defense. This is essentially a coach's preference or tactical approach. Nevertheless on the average they spend more time in the opposition's half.

In Super Eagles. judging from the descriptions given of wingers in 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 , it is very obvious that we are deploying the wrong personnel in the chosen tactical arrangement. For instance Moses Simon and Ademola Lookman are forwards (strikers) and do not have the required defensive capabilities and passing finesse to thrive as wingers in 4-4-2. They are modern forwards groomed to thrive in a front three. They lack the ability for build up play and ball progression. That is the job of midfielders. That is the job done for them at their clubs. They are usually at the receiving end.

If we must stick to 4-4-2, We will have to go for players who will not only provide good defensive cover, but also decent ball passing ability, players groomed for build up play, and patient on the ball.

AndSunGorilla:
Must we use Akpos and Ekong? Balogun and even Omeruo haven't retired yet, and Semi is still available.

Akpoguma shouldn't be starting games.

joelsteron:
Eagles are boring and predictable while in possession. It's the number one thing JP must tackle. Guess was what led to Rohr sack.
Tonight the opponent weren't static, giving whoever is with the ball several options.
All these were vivid from all their goals.

S.E are very predictable, i mean very predictable, but i must tell you that tonight saw them less predictable and a little more dynamic than what we have known of them. God bless Iwobi. There is a reason i am yet to give up on Peseiro.

What i don't like about him is his non invitation of players that gives him tactical advantage.
Players like Nwakali, Alhassan Yusuf, Chidera Ejuke, Peter Olayinka.

AndSunGorilla:
Your pikin no do well be dat . JP already dropped him once, if he also doesn't rise up to the occasion, he's on his way out too.

Ndidi is praised primarily for his defensive duties. We need him especially now that Akpoguma is pairing Ekong.

Subzero047:
I was actually commending you on your remarkable prediction, Nobody saw a Nigeria loss coming

I saw it.
That's why I opted for 4-4-2, and 4-5-1 during defensive play. Overload the midfield and end the game there.

Ndidi shouldn't have been taken off. He provides good cover for our CB's.

minfelix:
...bro plss let's stop all these check all rohr top notch friendlies against non African teams
Serbia 2-0 Nigeria
England 2-1 Nigeria
Poland 0-1 Nigeria
Brazil 1-1 Nigeria
Ukraine 2-2 Nigeria
Argentina 2-4 Nigeria
The man really kept us closely competitive against world class team with either decent loses or dogded draws or resilient wins....He saved us some blushes against top rated teams....trophy was his major fault

Gernot Rohr had Mikel, Onazi, Etebo in midfield. Mikel left, Onazi battled injuries.
Our games saw it's gravest decline when Etebo is either not in the squad or is not starting.

Subzero047:
Chukwueze has been disgraceful for the SE since the Afcon, decent cameo won't cut it

Chukwueze is class ahead of Moses Simon and Ademola Lookman as things stands. When i saw the lineup, I guessed what the tactics might be and pondered why Lookman will start ahead of Chukwueze that is if we go 4-3-3.

zuchyblink:
They made caricature of me for supporting Rohr.

Gernot Rohr will still go on to lose.

Samueltemi337:
According to owngoal


Starting XI


Francis Uzoho
Tyronne Ebuehi
Bruno Onyemachi
William Troost Ekong
Kevin Akpoguma
Wilfred Ndidi
Alex Iwobi
Joe Aribo
Terem Moffi
Moses Simon
Ademola Lookman

This looks more like 4-3-3, but if it is 4-4-2 then Moses Simon and Iwobi will man the wings, while Ndidi and Aribo will occupy the central midfield. Moffi will play the CF with Lookman as the SS

TheSuperNerd:
I am also interested in seeing how close to the box the likes of Lookman and Simon will operate and how frequently we can get them into such positions when transiting offensively.

Those are exactly my concerns. How can we get the ball to them in the zones where they are most dangerous as wing forwards, that is, in the final third.

I pray we won't be seeing the old stuff with Simon trying hard to move the ball from midfield to attack only to be dispossessed.

do4luv14:
Olympic Games, Nigeria Vs Japan

Thank you.

Danielnino00:
And Etebo has these qualities over Lookman...like for real?

Very yes
The emphasis is on defensive duties and decent ball passing abilities.

typicalgamer:
Una kind they open mouth talk rubbish sha

All because of free speech

What made it rubbish? Give reasons, i am open to sound analysis of the game.
Just relax, gather your reasons, maybe at the end of the day, i might be wrong, but i doubt it.

This is a forum where lovers of S.E gather to discuss S.E games, player selections, tactics. If you believe that someone else is not making sense in his presentation of ideas, then counter it with good sense and reasoning, and not with sentiments.

Danielnino00:
Etebo ahead of Lookman on the wings? Seriously?
When was the last time Etebo played on the wings for the super eagles,if he ever played there at all...

That is 4-4-2, not 4-3-3. In a 4-4-2 tactical setup the wingers are saddled more with defensive duties while providing support for the forwards. Goalscoring is not primary to their function.
They are also expected to possess decent ball passing abilities in order to support the forwards and also to maintain possession.

Samueltemi337:
Has etebo ever played in that position for the super eagles


is Moses Simon not in camp?

I think he has, but can't exactly recall the very instances, but Etebo featured in that position early in his career.

What made you think Moses Simon is the better pick?

Samueltemi337:
You want to play etebo in the wings in a 4-4-2 formation


where does Lookman fall in this your formation?

Yes. Nobody in the current crop of invitees can do it better.
if you know who can, please tell.

Lookman will play SS as a sub.

Samueltemi337:
Thank God you aren't our coach

What exactly is wrong with the setup.
I stand to tell you that if Peseiro decides to go 4-4-2 , this is actually the best thing you can come up with based on the pedigree of players in camp, and also on the quality of opposition. Aribo's presence as an SS is a booster of humongous proportions.

activities2:
Possible XI against Portugal


but if I see any 4-4-2 then it will be final that Jose Peseiro is just another un serious coach

4-4-2 won't be a bad idea against the might of Portugal, as it will enable us maintain a good defensive shape.

Etebo and lwobi will man the left and right side of the midfield respectively, while Onyeka and Ndidi will man the center of the midfield.

Aribo and Moffi as SS and CF respectively has a lot of promise, with Aribo dropping deeper when we don't have the ball, making it more like a 4-5-1 off the ball, crowding the midfield, ipso facto helping to shield our CB's and goalkeeper.

I can't think of any other midfield deployments especially on the left and right midfield other than that of Etebo and Iwobi. These guys will not only win possession, they will help maintain possession with their passing, our forwards will benefit immensely from their chipped passes and long balls.

komekn:
English football is influenced unfairly by non football variables to a large extent. Protectionism means players can be protected from better players taking thier position.

Most club football recruitment directors are looking for the best players with the best deal for themselves not necessarily the club. Which takes priority the best deal or the best player is open to debate.

However, this means that there are quality players who have been overlooked or side stepped to make way for thier preferred players. This is an opportunity to get players before they become big news.

I have watched Onyedinma it's quite surprising he is still playing for League 1 Millwall. He started playing first team at 17 in the championship.

Onyedinma was being pursued by Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool when he was 16. Somehow politics has taken over. Unlike Tyrone this guy can cope with any kind of physicality Cameroon will throw at us. But needs to be capped asap I predict a premiership club will be making moves for him soon. This guy is considerably better than Lookman.

It's for the Nigeria official to be proactive in getting those players who are very good quality but not recognised and or unfairly treated. In a sense thier loss our gain, we should be discovering them before they are discovered by the big English clubs.

Komekn, please come out and tell me you are not the one that wrote those, especially the ones in bold letters.

jihday:
Nwakali is having a good season but bros try to dey fear God

I dey fear God.

This is the fact.
A complete midfielder in very simple explanation, can play the DM, CM and AM roles. You can say this for Nwakali, but not for Eberechi.

dijon:
Confirm agent i greet you...

You made me laugh in Telugu.

In the present state of things and if you look well, Eberechi is not as important to our team as you guys make him to be. He is not coming to add anything new.

charlesemeka85:
and u will prefer Yusuf in the b2b/Central midfield position instead of Alex?

Yes, with very fine reasons.

charlesemeka85:
very complete but hv been languishing in laliga 2 for the past 2-3 seasons? Baba no dey deceive ya self but face fact.

If scouts can comb obscure leagues in Africa,Asia,south and Central America to unearth talents I see no reason none is yet to see what majority of you see in nwakali to recommend him to clubs in better leagues

The fact is what i am facing. Nwakali is a more complete midfielder when compared to Eze.
Promotion can sometimes be delayed.

charlesemeka85:
hmmmm

If eze decides to switch to us that AM position is he’s unless he underperforms

To justify your claim who is that AM in the current super eagles set up that will push eze to the LW position? Don’t say iwobi because I believe jpes will prefer to deploy him as the teams CM/b2b midfielder

Eze will slot well at AM, but why play Iwobi as b2b, when there is Alhassan Yusuf.