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Truth370:
You're God abi? Hypocrites using religion to cover face. '' love your neighbour as yourself '' is missing in your bible. Fanatic like you.

he is indeed a fanatic! No true Christian talks like that.

Area4Area:
The little he is doing in the SE, has Buhari being appreciated for once aside being insulted?
God knows if I were Buhari, I won't spend a dime in the SE for anything because work or not, you'd never be appreciated so why bother?

You must be a local champion. It is not his money it is tax payers money so he must do those projects weather liked or hated.

Emilokoiyawon:
Buhari working in the SE even though he is hated by those hate filled people

lets even agree and pretend they all hate him but that shouldn't stop him from working because that is his job and it is our common resources that is deployed not his money or his father's money. When a leader is working the led appreciates him.
Una mentality for this country dey burst my head.

How do you give out a loan of 10,000 Naira ? What sort of business will one start or sustain with such minuscule amount? And a higher percentage of the benefactor will default so why throw away money? Is this not vote buying in disguise ?

NuclearReactor:
Now that's the kind of message i'll love to hear Christians say, rather than this "repent or you' go to hell" message!!

The perosn of God was revealed in Jesus. Jesus always was compassionate towards sinners in his encounters with them and he is the express image of God the father. Me and you can't live a holy life by our own efforts, Jesus came in human form went through temptations that man goes through and he never sinned therefore he was qualified to die for the sins of all men.
Now Salvation is wrought or secured by the believing in that work that Jesus did on Calvary. You believe that he is God incarnate and you believe he died in your stead and his righteousness will be given unto you as a gift not by your works but by faith.
A Christian doesn't work out righteousness to be saved no a Christian is first saved and the righteousness of God in him will continue to find expression through him as he matures and grows to be like Jesus each day. Most of the Christians you talk about interprets this in reverse.

post=84726344:
Despite the decline, stock prices remain attractive, making room for bargain hunting in value stocks, amidst still-positive macro-economic fundamentals.
Those of us that trade in stocks can relate.
Things will pick up again again.
No time for panic sales.
The Stock Market is all about UPS AND DOWNS. 
The faint hearted people should not go near it.
But, There is limited GENERAL knowledge on the stock market by an average Nigerian citizen.
Something should be done about that.



Royal Exchange, you can count on them for most part.
One of our goons!

God bless Nigeria.

I street clear from NSE because of corruption in Nigeria can you give an insight on the integrity of Financial Statements released by firms in Nigeria.

light099:
Joseph Prince with the life changing messages.

Regardless of your religion or belief, if you ever read a book by Prince before, you would instantly have peace, joy and a new perception of life. His ideology can reform the conscious and subconscious mind.



Las las, between football players and pastors, I still don't know who dey get money pass.
Damn. A whooping N80 Billion no be biscuit money. That's lot of cash.

a lot of cash that is not his personal cash

HigherEd:
Please keep quiet.

you love poverty they dont. The apostles reward is higher because they suffered from being the fore bearers now we enjoy and build from where they left off. It's called progress.

onwuakpachris:
remembered back in the days..this great man's pamphlet "now u are saved" made me repent 4 a "few weeks"...b4 d devil took over again...RIP great man...

who told you devil took over, God don't sly his own no matter what you did. You are still his son just don't run away when you Bleep up instead run to him even if you Bleep up 1000times a day.

Oh, the desire to always want to be seen as victims. Some dumb fvks will buy this fuckery though

lomprico:
offering can handle that!

not when majority of you given 10, 50 naira.

Snowale:
what he meant by I am my father are one is, he and God speaks of the same thing. That's why I said give me an unambiguous statement in the Bible in which Jesus himself said 'I am God' or 'Worship me'.

If truly he is God and needed to be worshipped, I would be clearly stated in the Bible, with no ambiguity, cause by various writers and christain scholars.

After the book of Moses, stating the commandments, was the more compiled Bible, then the most compiled teachings of God, the Qur'an, which deals with everything in our daily lives, clearly stated all truth, that of Jesus misconceptions and also talked about other prophet before Jesus.

Jesus said I am the way the truth and life no one goes to my father expect by me. The Bible says about him that He was the only begotten son of God until through his death man can be now be adopted to that sonship by faith in Christ Jesus. The Bible said that his name Jesus have been exalted above every other name and at the mention of his name all knees must bow. Nothing of such was said about any prophet in the Bible.

Chimookigwe:
The answer to that is: have you seen the US deny extradition requested by Nigeria before?

Lol the US will never do that.

Snowale:
I said bring out an unambiguous statement out of your Bible, that Jesus said 'I am God' or 'worship me', if truly Jesus is God and he want us to worship him, it would clearly be stated several in the Bible.

it was stated when Jesus said I and my father are one! Skeptics like you tried to stone him for saying that, refusing to accept Jesus as the same as God is the greatest undoing of anyone who believes in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was and is the express image of God the father, God in flesh. Immediately Jesus rose from death it became impossible to access God if not through him. He said no man can come to the father except through me. He is the word of God that was spoken of in this verse "In the beginning Was the word and the word was God and without him nothing was made that was made.

lomprico:
no, but if he asks for seed sowing, thite etc. thunder go fire am!

then you must make sure you don't expect to go worship in a building with AC and electricity. It's funny how many of don't realize churches are run with money.

VBCampaign:
Why You Should Pay Your Pastor Well

By: Deji Yesufu

Recently I made an appeal for help for a minister friend of mine from Eastern Nigeria. Somebody used the occasion to vilify me; saying that since I have been known in the past for criticizing wealthy pastor, why should anyone offer me any help now. He said that he is happy I am seeing that pastors also need money. Thankfully I did not have to respond to him because someone else had done so. I realize now that it would take time for people to understand my position on religion; hopefully my articles in this column will continue to shed light on matters relating to my views on the Christian faith.

I wish to make it clear that whether I am appealing for help in ministry or I am advocating good remuneration for pastors, as this piece would soon outline, I still remain a strong antagonist of a kind of Christian ministry that has pervaded much of Nigeria. I maintain that Christian ministers cannot be millionaires. The phrase “millionaire pastor” is an oxymoron and all who today can be described in this manner are thieves and robbers. If you have eternity to pursue, I would beg you not to put your spiritual life nor those of your household under the cover of such a pastor. You will be raped; you will be defrauded; and you would be lucky to come out of such organizations alive. Such organizations that such men oversee are not Christian; they are den of thieves. Having made this point clear, I will nonetheless proceed to make an advocacy for good remuneration for pastors.

Before we can even talk of the pastor’s pay, we want to talk of the church’s finances. A church should have two kinds of leadership: a spiritual leadership and a managerial leadership. I suspect that the ministry of deacons in the Bible in the first century churches was its managerial leadership. Today, however, people choose to rather have a church board that has a member of the church as its chairman. The spiritual leadership on the other hand consist of the pastor leading other ministers to oversee the spiritual life of the church. The managerial leadership is the ministry of deacons or those of the chairman leading other members of the church. A situation where the pastor is also the overall chairman of the church is not ideal. Churches must mature to a point where members of the church can handle the administration of the church.

It is the administrative arm of the church that regulates the church’s finances. They are the ones that should be signatory to the church’s account and they are the ones that should pay the pastor his salary. This administrative arm of the church are the ones that should be able to regulate the church’s finances. Churches should not run mainly on member’s giving. The reason is because most of the time, members are developing spiritually to the point of understanding that their giving should be part of church life. And no one has the right to breath down the neck of another, demanding for monies in form of tithes and offering. People should be freely motivated to give. And the best way to get people to give is for the leadership, both spiritual and managerial, to lead by example. So the biggest donors to church finances should be the leaders. Then the leaders must be able to find other Christian organizations that believe in the missions to support what they do. It is only after this is done that people can be enjoined to give.

If by God’s grace a church is able to overcome the laborious process of setting a financially viable chest, the next step they must take will be to agree on a proper remuneration for the pastor.

First, we must realize that it is to the congregation’s advantage that a pastor works full time in ministering to them. Where this is not possible, it should not be enforced. But a congregation that has a part-time pastor will suffer for it because his attention will be divided between his service to the church and whatever other business he does.

With a full time minister, the next thing the congregation wants to do is to agree on a “living wage” for that pastor. A pastor working full time will be giving himself to the study of the word of God to deliver both on Sunday and other service days, he would also be giving himself to prayer (Acts 6:4). Both of these ministries (word and prayers) are very important for a spiritually viable church. Besides this, there is the job of counseling church members, attending to ceremonies involving church people, witnessing to unbelievers in the society and setting out plans to help grow Christian witness in the community. Any congregation sustaining a pastor in full time ministry is adding to the spiritual vitality of their community and even to those of their unborn children.

The minimum wage for any pastor in Nigeria of today should be N150, 000 a month. Any congregation that cannot pay their pastor that amount has no business setting up a local church. They would do well to either close down or join forces with other congregations, so as to have at least one pastor in full time service; instead of, say, two. Pastors being paid as much as half a million in Nigeria is also not too much either, if the congregation can afford it. The important thing is that the man of God is delivering on what he is being paid to do. Maybe the reason church people are not too concerned with what their pastors are delivering to them is because many of them are not contributing to the finances of the church from which the pastor is paid. If they are doing this, all hands will be on deck to see that the pastor himself meets the high standard of ministry that is required of him.

Another reason why pastors should be well paid is because churches should be concerned with getting the best minds to Christian ministry. Gone are the days when those who go to seminary are those who could not enter university or could not get a job elsewhere. The ministry should be for the best minds. If the pay is good, the best minds would be attracted to it. Yes, the matter of sacrifice cannot be removed from a man’s calling. But the man who is called to ministry is already sacrificing on many fronts. If his remuneration is ok, sacrifice on other fronts would be a lot easier and lighter.

One of the things we should understand is that what we have as far as church gatherings in Nigeria is concerned is not the norm. We have way too many churches but because many of these churches are not even doing what they are called to do, the number of churches in this country, serving people in a biblical manner, is a lot lower. I am looking at a biblical church here and because there numbers are few, people who find them should be able to commit resources to them to make them thrive. We must be concerned about building ministries and churches that would last the time of evil in our days because the days will come when it might be impossible for our children to find living churches to go to. If we however make the sacrifice today to build good churches, through sacrificial giving, we can be sure there would be churches for our grandchildren to be discipled in when we are long gone from the scene.

Deji Yesufu is the author of the books Victor Banjo and Half a Millennium. He leads a reformed Bible Study at the University of Ibadan every Saturday morning.

http://mouthpiece.com.ng/why-you-should-pay-your-pastor-well/

I stopped reading at "Christian ministers cannot be millionaires "

Snowale:
We all believe we can be called son of God(Not begotten son, God was never given birth to and never gave birth), if we can be called son of God and Jesus can also be called son of God, means we and Jesus are all ranked the same, but Jusus been more a prophet, a messanger and the second to the last prophet, ranked him above we humans, so we can call him our Lord or any other attributes that ranks him above us. There is no statement (unambiguous) in the Bible where Jesus said I am God or worship me. These two statements are ambiguous, but you prefer the meaning that says Lord and God is the same, why not otherwise.

Jesus is God not a prophet.

lasgidi2vancity:
THEY'RE NOT DIFFERENT FROM JONATHAN'S SUPPORTERS WHO BLATANTLY RATIONALIZED THE CESSPOOL OF CORRUPTION AT THAT TIME..WE ARE QUICK TO FORGET HE DIDN'T BRING JUSTICE TO THE TERROR KILLINGS GOING ON AND ALL HE DID WAS CLAIM VICTIM TO SABOTAGE OF HIS GOVERNMENT!!
THE TERRIBLE SIN NIGERIANS ARE PAYING FOR IS
WE DON'T THINK THINGS THROUGH AND FIND IT SO EASY TO HATE..A GOOD TOOL BUHARI USED TO GET TO POWER!
OUR MUMU NEVER DO...STILL LOADING!!!

cognitive dissonance, that's your problem.

Hedonini:
They will ask you disdainfully - "is it by English"? But you're supposedly educated. And English is the only language of formal education in Nigeria, so what are you saying?

It's a shame how mediocrity is exalted while meritocracy is relegated in Nigeria. Big shame. Is this the best the APC in Bayelsa can put forward? Why don't we like putting our best foot forward? Just look at a primitive peasant like Buhari for example. He is the fucking president. Welcome to Nigeria.

y'all nigas Tueh!!!!!!!!

smartkester:
what are you insinuating please?, that we should continue sinning because we have been saved, what happened to bible passage "bring forth fruit worthy of repentance "

Apostle paul once said shall we continue sinning that grace may abound?, Godforbid. Read the first three chapters of revelation and see what the angel was telling them there, he said to the churches that he has seen their good works but they still had little lapses to correct.

We don't claim to have attained the perfection but we must try to abstain from iniquities if we're truly saved. Peace out bro

No need to quote me again

if you can point where I said we should continue in sinning then you would be right. It is difficult for people who believe like you do to believe that Salvation is that easy lol and I understand, when a man realizes this trust me what he does is not sinning with reckless abandon, he starts developing genuine love for God and a his relationship with God elevates. Your revelation of Jesus Christ is still very limited.

maasoap:
I guess APC is the evil party here? Lol. A party that is giving back to the less privilege in the society is not evil in my book. We saw how PDP stakeholders shared the nation's resources among themselves over a period of 16 years with no tangible developments. This current government and its political party might excellent but far better than stinking PDP. 500,000 graduate beneficiaries and many more people would even disagree with you. Just deal with your loss and pain

I read this and I started wondering how much of a dumbass you are. And no PDP is not better so don't mention me with another dumb argument. PDP is bad APC is worse both are useless!

Valwezzy:
He might even be the breadwinner of his family, just wasted over an election that was still rigged beyond recognition .

This government is gradually turning into the Libya government under Ex-president, Ghaddafi.

May God give his family the fortitude to bear his loss and May his soul rest in peace.

Please don't insult Ghaddaffi, he was a good leader

smartkester:
Mr man if you understood what i wrote their you won't spew what you wrote, no one is talking about being perfect here but from what most of you are writing here it's clear you all are twisting the true gospel. No matter how you paint it God wants us to live a holy life, we can't claim to be saved and still wallow in abject sins without remorse, let's stop frustrating the grace of God in our lives. So, because we can't be justified by our own works we should keep sinning??, Godforbid
So because Jesus has paid for our sins on the cross we should keep sinning??, Godforbid

No one is claiming to have attained the height of perfection but we must strive to flee from anything that would hinder us from getting into eternal glory (sin). The one and only true Gospel is JESUS CHRIST and he wants us to emulate the way he lived here on earth before ascending to the father.

As Apostle Paul said " work out your own salvation with fear and trembling ", let's stop hinding under the mantra of "Grace and Christ paid it all" to keep sinning.

The bible clearly stated "God will judge each and everyone of us by our works be it good or bad"

Oga if by your works after believing you goto heaven that means Salvation is not a gift anymore. You don't contribute anything to your salvation, you contribute nothing sir! Living in sin as child of God can abort God's purpose for you and even cause premature death. The spirit of a believer that is born of the spirit of God does not go-to hell disagreeing to that is a blasphemy sir.
Why did Paul say that the man sleeping with his father's wife should be given to devil for destruction of the flesh so that his soul will be saved ?

tricksters:
Igbo talking about need to any other tribe in Nigeri is what is wrong. You do not have that right, your father n forefathers did not and your unborn generation never will. You can blame Yoruba all your father want but Yoruba will always prove they are class above you in trillion ways always.

class above us in a Third World shit hole poverty stricken country that is struggling to pay less than $100 as minimum wage. Class indeed, carry class and chop it!

haaryobhami:
David Lyon is even patience god son,igbos are already left behind

Left behind I don't understand, does it mean that if q\your candidates fail then you are by law excluded from benefiting from the common wealth of the nation? I don't understand how human beings reason in this clime!

smartkester:
I pray the word of God doesn't stand against you on Judgement day because everything you wrote here are just fables and can never be in line with the true Gospel, you just misinterpreted the entire passages you mentioned here.

If you're truly saved you won't wallow in abject iniquities again, don't be deceived a dot on your garment on the day of judgement can make you perish. I wished I could type

But I pray God opens your understanding to learn his word properly.

you way you said that pridefully like you are very sure a jot won't be found on your garment. Anyone I see that rejects Salvation is see as prideful person and surprise might await them. You are telling God he wasted his own time for sending Jesus to die for you that you can live right for your own justification. Your act do not justify you only your belief in the finished work of the cross. You are saved to work you don't work to be saved! You can't work to be saved, if humans could do that Jesus wouldn't have come to die for us.

alBHAGDADI:
This is how Satan uses scriptures to deceived the unsaved. Look at how you quoted those verses out of context to kick against Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

The passages in Mathew 24 and Mark 13 are not speaking about the same subject and it is the end times tribulations.

Ask yourself: What is it that people are to endure before they will be saved? They key is in verse 9


Matthew 24:9 (KJV)
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The Bible went on to state that unless the days during which the killings and persecutions are shortened, no flesh will be saved.

Matthew 24:22 (KJV)
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Did you take note of the word flesh above? That's what needs to endure to be saved. The flesh needs to endure the persecutions till Jesus Christ will come in the end time and save the recipient through rapture. But you have mistaken it to mean if we don't endure (what exactly?) we won't be saved.

I lost a friend to cold hands of death, I tried to get her to start going to church but I never thought of leading her to Christ cos at the moment even I had forgotten about spiritual matters and serving God. So I felt like she will probably just repent and still go back to chronic alcoholism and it would have been a waste getting her saved at first since she could stand a chance of going to hell. I was ignorant, she died before I found the truth and till this day I am pained, I only hope that my close friend who prayed for her before her death led her to Christ.

alBHAGDADI:
Firstly, when Jesus said he would "spew you out", he wasn't talking to an individual which is why the verse is not applicable to an individual. He was talking to a church which was one of the 7 churches in Asia. He said he would spew the church out for being lukewarm. Nowhere does that equate to sending the church to hell fire neither was it directed at an individual. So this can't be used to court term Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

Now, my main aim of this thread is to correct people who have the notion that Once Saved Always Saved doctrine encourages sin. It doesn't because if you check out the punishment God visits disobedient children with, any sane person would know to avoid sin.

Surely I engaged in a wayward life and did I suffer ? I fucking did. But it was only for him to call me back to him, I didn't understand this I didn't understand his salvation and love was afraid to call him father but one evening he said to my hearing are you going to keep struggling or will you let me. I went into my room in tears took my Bible and he took me to Isaiah where he told me he had missed me and was looking out for me. Says he wants me back and wants to bless me and that word of God brought me back. I got the strength to go back to serving God! He never condemned me, all he ministered to me was his love. I still am not perfect but now I recognize his love and sacrifice and I aim to live a life that will appreciate such sacrifice.
I continued to study the work of salvation and the holyspirit taught me with the Thief on the cross who went to heaven not by confessing his sin but by simply believing on Jesus as the son of God and his ability to save him. That was when John 3:16 was truly revealed to me! I began to see Salvation passages in my dream like literally dreaming the Bible happening like an event. I once dreamt about a criminal that was to be sentenced and I was on the side hoping there was hope for him suddenly a man appeared and said I will be his advocate and he went there and set him free and I woke up. Now I have always been charged to share this Good news to others the way God have taught me.

jesusjnr:
Any one who continues in iniquity cannot be saved!

No person who is saved continues in iniquity!

There is just one Savior not two, and this is according to His teachings which I already showed in my comments you quoted.

So any suggestion of a saved who continues in his iniquity and doesn't repent of it is from the hell and only leads people there.

Here it is again just in case you missed it the first time.

Matthew 13:41-42 (KJV)

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

So if all things which offend and work iniquity are uprooted and cast into the lake of fire, how could they yet be saved?

Except the saved can still be cast into the lake of fire then you may have a point.

You just need to sit down and accept Salvation. You are full of pride sir! Such will take you to hell. You need to totally depend on Jesus! Listen and learn.

holaxi:
My girlfriend and I have being together for almost three years now. We've had all the moments the good ,the bad and the ugly.

But recently she met a guy who asked her out, she refused his advances but the guy and her spend so much time on calls and chatting which I don't really like.

I've talked to her so many times about it but if she listens for a week the next week they are back in business.

Last week we were chatting and she just went offline I tried calling her to know what's up only for her number to be busy for like 20 mins. When she came back online and I told her she said she wasn't on call with anyone.

When I probed her further she said she wanted a two weeks break that I complain too much and I don't trust her.

I apologized to her so peace could reign but since then I've started losing interest in her.

oga move on.

CanadaOrBust:
Why me in particular. Why do u hate me and not the next guy. And in this case these accusations are not from men. They are from girls of about the same age over a period of decades, all narrating similar scenarios with the same person!

lol your last sentences doesn't mean anything, I mean it doesn't add weight. It won't win such case neither will it convince a logical mind to convict the accused without proper probing for strong logical evidence, it is all hear say and the girls you are talking about has no face, you are not sure who they are and you probably can't remember where you read that or got that information. When you consider how evil it is to jail an innocent person you will think more logically and not be quick to conclude on an issue that has so many loopholes. it's easy for a group of people to accuse someone wrongfully and that is how Jungle Justice happens in Nigeria. Ole Ole, everybody joins Ole Ole but they didn't see shit every other person believes it then an innocent person is lynched. That a crowd is shouting ole ole at a person at a time doesn't mean the person is guilty. I heard a story of how two young guys and a girl were almost burnt alive locked in at Badore because one Alhaja accused them of being criminals others echoed as if it's true meanwhile the youngies are popular models. That was all driven by envy and hate you can never tell what extremes people can go to hurt others. Rape is evil convicting an innocent person for rape is a bigger evil.

CanadaOrBust:
I’d get it if this were the only person (as is usually the case when such stories are made up) but there are other girls narrating similar experiences with the same person!

if I can hate you enough to convince four other men to accuse you of rapping us then you must be guilty.