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Gointo:
i pray in tongue in the holyghost as spirit gave me utterance and im a witness dat its a wnderful gift of d holyspirit....so that why i said the deceit start when fake tongues are prayed to show they are filled with the holyghost then dat same person who claims to have the holyghost and tongue in the flesh wil now fornicate with a girl and come to out and say sin doesnot take him to hell,jesus paid the price,finished work bla bla..deceit continual continual..he dat has an ear let him hear...

Be very careful about calling people's tongue fake except God specifically told you that it's fake. When it comes anything that involves the Holy Spirit try not to make unnecessary assumptions.

Now, about the fornication scenario you mentioned. Are you saying that if a Spirit filled person fornicates the person is definitely going hell? So since you received the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues, you've never committed any sin? Or it applies to fornication alone?

petra1:
What has this got to do with praying in tongues? Do you have any issues against it

It's shocking that a Christian will believe that praying in tongues will lead you astray, whereas, it's the exact opposite.

Image123:
Brother, the man Jesus Christ was here with us and forsaken by the Father when He bore the sins of the world. So again, do not sin even if you are Jesus Christ. God forsakes sinners.
You made an affirmative statement by informing us that Ananias and his wife were mere church goers and not born again.

I wasn't talking specifically about our conversation, I meant that generally don't compare man to Jesus Christ to emphasize your point. Jesus Christ is God, stop mentioning His name to win arguments, it's very disrespectful. I understand that you're trying to say that it applies to everyone. But it's wrong to start putting Jesus in the same category as man. You should give maximum respect to name of Jesus Christ, it is a name that is above all other names. Try to only call the name of Jesus Christ when it is absolutely necessary. Do you know that Jesus Christ was involved in the creation of the world?

About Ananias, my point is that we can't build doctrines on their story because the details given didn't even show that they were born again Christians. You don't build doctrines on assumptions. Besides, even if they were Christians you still won't have the right to build a doctrine on it because it was clearly a unique situation. How many people has God killed for lying to men of God in church. It's like taking a doctrine of not marrying because Paul never got married.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not True I dodge them, it is rather that I answer them and 3 more stupid ones enter.

And the more I answer, the more even stupider questions seem to be coming.

And these degrading questions only come from little children for adults already know the answers to them all, but not you.

And this forum is for adults!

So you see, I am not expecting a little child here.

Lol

Gointo:
no man speak by the spirit of God trivalize sin,lol he said conventional sin.....nations and generations of people were destroyed because of what you called convention...in the last days false teaching shall abound,sponsored by lying spirit seducing men into inquity(spiritual leprosy and death).
i know your type it all started by learning praying in tongues..its written verily,verily i say unto you if a man is not born of water and of the spirit he can by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.you can ascribe the title of christian to yourself but i tell you the door of heaven is opened to those who do the will of my father in heaven to the very end,and its written blessed are those who hunger and thirst for the kingdom and its righteoness for they shall filled, with what? With the holyspirit. A word is enough for the wise.

I'm not trivializing sin, I'm just saying that sin cannot take a born again Christian to hell

Gointo:
Do you know that your teaching here(sin doesn't take you to hell) is the same thing Satan did to deceive mankind, when God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die and the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die..

What brought sin that we now talk about is disobedience to the word of God. .
Now the consequence of the disobedience is death.
Now GRACE which you've been falsely taught, is that by the fall of man ,man had been sentenced to death.

Now lord JESUS CHRIST offered himself as the LAMB for the atonement of sin to overrule the curse of death..
That is why he said to Mary when he went to raise lazarus from the dead in John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Also inRevelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

So grace is not pardon to sin .
But grace is that we sin no more ,because we have been given power to subdue the flesh by his spirit, that is why every believer main priority is to be filled with the holy spirit.

1 John 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

I agree if a believer commit an error and is truly bitter about it and determined not to go back to his vomit ,he will be forgiven and will not be denied his rightful place in heaven...

You don't know what grace is. By definition, the Gospel of Grace is receiving forgiveness without the works of the law. This simply means that you are now righteous without having to do anything for it . Believing in Jesus life and accepting His sacrifice for sins is the only requirement to go to heaven

I'm not advocating that anybody should live a life of sin. I'm simply saying that sin cannot make you lose your salvation because you didn't get your salvation by being righteous you got it as a gift. So you should never try to work for something that has been given to you freely. All you have to do is receive the righteousness of God and stop trying to get righteousness by fulfilling the laws. There are a lot benefits obeying God's commandments but getting eternal life is not one of them.

Dtruthspeaker:
O boy! It is very unhealthy for me to argue with a growing child like you.

See, what Paul did in Acts 17:16-31.

Sorry, son, you too little for me to be arguing with you as your "you do not know is making us move from one issue to another to another.

And since you think you know, then we should not be moving. But your movements clearly show, you know too little to amount to any tangible knowledge!

You always dodge my questions

Giving has been bastardized among Christians nowadays. Most Christians just give because they are hoping to receive it back in hundred folds, which is not bad.

But personally I believe that God is more interested in giving that is done out of love. People no longer care about helping their fellow Christians and fellow human beings, they only care about sowing seeds. This is why you will see a person supposedly sowing seeds into a billionaire's life while he has neighbours that are struggling to survive.

Every giving should be done out of love and not because you're hope to receive it back. In the book of Corinthians the Bible said that even if you give your body to be burnt and you don't do it out of love it will profit you nothing and there's not a word from God to be gotten from it

My view on this is that, give to whoever needs it, not because you are looking for a fertile soil. Stop giving pastors that are already extremely rich when you can give it people who need it more.

Your first responsibility is to your neighbour and who is your neighbour? Your neighbour is anybody you know that is in need of help. So please, let your focus be on helping people and not on sowing seed to receive blessings.

Now of course when you give to people that are in need you can be rest assured that God will pay you back. So it's ok to expect prosperity when you give. But you have to give out of love not because you are expecting it back. Thank you

Ronnnie:
I know how you feel but trust me it's for the best.....the relationship was Already over before she told you...
Don't overthink it rather learn from it and move on
YOU LOST NOTHING VALUABLE BY LOOSING HER...trust me

Yeah. I'll get over her. I've deleted all her numbers and pictures. I have never loved anyone the way I loved her. I've been dating for the past 14 years, although longest was 3 years and I didn't even feel this bad. Never say never but I don't think I'll ever date again with the way I feel now. I know I'll be alright though

Ronnnie:
You plan to do??...tot you asked on behalf of a friend..lol
Well no need to be ashamed Kos it happens to all of us...you did nothing wrong and she just became unresponsive.....
I dunno her reasons..it could be the relationship became boring to her(no fights,no quarrels,you are always available etc) or she saw someone else and she just Wana act that way till you get the sign and break up or she could be testing you to see how you will react...
My advice for you is to do NOTHING...
Delete her number,pictures,videos and anything that reminds you of her....
Force yourself to get over her and you will with time...and when or if she tries coming back,Never take her back ever or she will do worse over time....Don't even tell her you are breaking up with her Kos she will use her maniputive skills on you and peg you down...
Let her Go now Boss....Don't go through what we went through..Have some self respect
Respect is better love

She just confirmed that the relationship is over. I changed my approach of questions. Thanks for your advice though

Gointo:
REPENT NOW,AND CRY OUT TO GOD FOR MERCY.

God has already shown me mercy by dying for me. I have therefore obtained the mercy of God when I gave my life to Jesus Christ

Gointo:
the devil is the father of all lies.verily verily i say unto you if your righteosnes is not greater than that of the pharisee you cant enter the kingdom of heaven..verily verily i say unto you not everbody that calls me lord,lord will enter the kingdom of heaven,you will say lord did i not preach on nairaland.go to church,heal the sick and cast out demons,the lord will away from me you worker of iniquity.

I agree. The righteousness gotten by grace from God is greater than that of the Pharisees or the one you hope to get by works.

Gointo:
when they find sin hard to let go,because of their hardened heart,then they twist the gospel to feel comfortable in sin.instead of crying out to the lord for help..GOD CANNOT MOCKED.if only you know how sweet holiness is,if only you know.

Holiness is sweet when it comes by grace. The sweetness you're referring to is most likely self righteousness. But do you know the problem, even with all your self righteousness you still don't deserve eternal life. Eternal life can only be gotten by grace.

rottennaija:
Love is earned, never commanded. In all cases in life, you earn someone's love, we see that in relationships people engage in. When love is commanded, it becomes an abuse.

Is someone dying for you not a good enough reason to love the person?

God created us all. When sin came into the world and man was condemned. God the Father sent Jesus Christ who is also God to die for our sins.

There should therefore not be anyone in this life that you would love more than God. He is the only person that you have a guarantee to be with forever. Even if your spouse doesn't leave you while on earth, he or she will leave you when you die. It's only God that you will be with forever, so in comparison, there's nobody on Earth that you should love more than you love God.

Now when you love God this greatly helps your relationship with your spouse because you will relate with her based on your love for God. The God kind of Love (agape) is the greatest kind of Love there is. So you see the best thing you can ever do in life is to love and value your relationship with God more than that of your spouse.

it always saddens me when I see Christian wives convert to Islam because of their husbands or boyfriends. Why will you lose eternal salvation over 40 years of happiness (which is usually not the case). My dear brothers and sister please always make it a point to love God more than you love your spouse. Let God be the final say in your relationship or marriage not your feelings, not your love for your spouse, nothing else but God. God bless you all

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. Luke 14:25

petra1:
Very interesting Topic . . . .

What are your thoughts?

Ronnnie:
Don't listen to her advice...you called,messaged and am sure if you were closer to her,you would have visited.....
She even updated her status so nothing do her boss....don't try visiting her Kos she will loose total respect for you...if something was wrong with her,a girl will let a guy she love know about it no matter the condition....
She has moved on and you do the same...
You can take my advice or take hers....just remember
"If you want to learn how to catch a fish,Ask the fisherman and not the fish"....
I hope you understand this

This is exactly my view too.

Davenks:
Dear OP, hold on to what you have learned so far, but stop arguing with fools. The only thing you got wrong here is that one can lose their salvation. A believer cannot lose his salvation. He promised us eternal life. You cannot reject Jesus Christ after salvation as you are bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh. Will you pluck out your eyes because it refused to shed tears? Will you chop off your arm because it refused to be part of your body? We are the body of Christ. You can’t lose your salvation but you could lose your rewards at the judgement seat of Christ (1 Cor. 3:9-15; 2 Cor. 5:10-11; Rom. 14:10), or your right to rule and reign with Him at His millennial reign (2 Tim. 2:11-13; Rom. 8:14-16…”and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” So the condition of earning rewards is suffering. Putting down your flesh from sinning is part of suffering. Living a holy Christian life, studying your Bible every day are part of suffering as they wear the flesh out.

1 John 5:12-13 “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

Thank God for the blood of Jesus Christ. A believer is simply a saved sinner.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Amen.

I actually do believe that you can lose your salvation, but it won't be because of sin. You can lose your salvation by denying or rejecting Jesus Christ.

This is why it's always good to seek God regularly, by reading the word of God, listening to godly messages and musics, by praying, praising and thanking God regularly etc.

The problem is when you don't seek God regularly but you still continue to live in sin. You can get to a point that, if for example, somebody puts a gun to your head and say deny Christ or I will kill you, you might be tempted to deny Jesus.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes!

Like you, if you spoke Truly, we found it difficult to understand Paul's writings especially as it was not that hard in understanding Mathew, Mark and co.

But here comes Romans and gbam, it was a case of "what is this man saying now?"

It was while I was in the University trying to Study Law (whilst they were teaching "Not Law", Pastor Bakare, then pointed it out that "you know Paul is a Lawyer and trust lawyers, they know how to go into places no one has gone".

I did not know what that meant then but I held it in mind, until I became a Lawyer.

And it was then I re-visited Romans and co and then, gbam! I then saw, that Paul's Letters, "are Law Documents". Exactly how we, lawyers Write. Word for word, meaning for meaning, ensuring that we capture "every relevant issue" that is within the Scope of the Subject Matter.

And I am quite Angry that Pastors who are Lawyers do not teach these things.

Now this is funny. This actually made me laugh.

Let me help you. Let's start from the basics, what do you mean by the phrase; Paul was a Lawyer? Do you think that Paul was going to Court to argue cases? Which type of law do you think paul studied?

Dtruthspeaker:
If people means the whole world, is the whole world "born again"?

I don't honestly believe that you bothered to read the post. Please do. And if you did, then go back to re-read it. Your question has nothing to do with my post.

Dtruthspeaker:
For not "getting this" you really are too too young to attempt preaching.

As I said, "you know not what you say".

Lol, are you referring to my age or my years as a Christian? The fact that you think that those are the two things that give Biblical and Spiritual knowledge says a lot about you?

There are people that have been Christians for over 40 years and still don't have the basic knowledge of the word of God. Change your mentality.

Image123:
So the Bible doesn't say but you somehow affirmatively say what you think as what he did/didn't. Toh.
We're talking about sin, you want to engage in vain word jangling about "born again". Sorry i hardly spend that much time these days to be so entertained. Maybe the people you saw in hell would rather they had fled from sin or engage in rhymes about "born again".
It was quite funny but pathetic you refer to Ananias family as some random folk. Guess it's because they were the casualty there. If you had read from v32 and other verses, you'd know the multitude of them that believed was being referred to. BTW, Aquila and Apollos also have that introduction tag so perhaps they are just church goers too. Is that the way your church burys random people without even consulting their families or how they sell their propertys. Brother, listen to Bible, IF you sin and don't repent, judgment awaits you even if you are Jesus.

Please stop making the bolded statement, don't compare God to man to emphasize your point, its disrespectful.

If you'll be honest with yourself the Bible gave more informations about the beliefs of Aquila and Apollos.

I think, is not affirmative. There's simply not enough information to be definitive.

Dtruthspeaker:
So, Noah, Job and Daniel who earned God's praise will not get eternal life? (Obviously, you did not know that God Honoured these men)

As I said, you do not know what you say.



Nope!

"Paul's Writings are Law Documents with Lawyers not theologians being the only ones who can give you the proper Interpretation of all he wrote.

Which is where you people make the errors. "End" in English means finished or terminated. In Law, it means "Destination" or "Goal" or "Purpose".

Same for "Without The Law", "not The Law", "By Law" etc

Paul's Writings can only be properly interpreted by Lawyers.

And the purport of all he said is Romans 8: 4 "That The Righteousness (bet you do not know that "Righteousness" means "Right Fullness" ) OF THE LAW MIGHT be fulfilled in us"!

So as you see, you have too many 'dont knows"

Before we can move forward, you'll have to explain what you mean by lawyers. Are you talking about people that studied law in the university?

Dtruthspeaker:
When did people attain the meaning "born again"?

Have the people responded and accepted at this time?

I really don't know why it's difficult for you to understand the OP, it should be pretty straight forward for someone like you claiming to be a "lawyer", whatever that means.

People mean the whole world, saved and unsaved. Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world. However you have to believe in Jesus Christ to be able to partake in His sacrifice and receive the forgiveness of sins.

The OP is simply saying that, the people that receive Jesus Christ have all their sins forgiven, past, present and future sins and individual acts of sins like lying or stealing can not take them to hell.

I truly don't know why you're not getting my point. It's still understandable not to agree with what I'm saying but the fact that you don't even understand the point I'm trying to make is baffling to me. Maybe you should read the OP again. You've left the essence of the post and you're grasping at straws. Most of your questions have nothing to do with my post.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you know what CHANGE OF POST means?

It clearly means you have crashed into the bush as you were travelling.

I don't get this. Try to indicate exactly what you mean, I don't like making unnecessary assumptions.

paxonel:
the op is absolutely correct.
It is saying the truth putting it in a different dimension from what i posted.

Conventional sins don't take people to hell, only the sin of not accepting Christ do.
That also implies that anyone who has accepted Christ can never be classified as a sinner in God's standpoint of view, no matter what he has done

This is the true gospel, because it is good news. We can now relate to God without the condemnation of sin by accepting Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin. What most people teach as the gospel is no where close to being good news. God bless you brother.

Steep:
you are correct. We receive salvation by faith in Jesus.
Keeping his commandment is in response to his love.

The Christian life is, we live in righteousness because we have being made right. We don't live a righteous life to be righteous but we live a righteous life because we are righteous, we live a holy life because we are holy people.
We live by faith not by work, by faith of what we recieved in christ not by self merit.

Many people don't understand, we do works yes, the bible said we are created for good works, but we do good works because it is our spiritual nature.

Righteousness and holiness is already the spiritual nature of a Christian, failure to know and walk in this lead Christian to start walking in the flesh.
Hence we are like the good tree that produce good fruit. If you want good fruit plant a good tree, this is the Gospel.
God planted a good seed (save us by the washing of regeneration) so we produce good fruit (righteousness).

I totally agree with this, you even explained it better.

Kobojunkie:
Is this a long distance relationship or something that you can't go check her up for yourself?

Yeah, long distance

Kobojunkie:
Well, just cause she has not called in weeks and you leaped to assuming the relationship over?

A confident person will at least check in on her to know exactly what is going on and ask her that question directly, not seek the opinion of random folks many of whom are not even emotionally mature to begin with.

What do you need? The truth or suppositions? If truth, confront her for yourself.

I already questioned her about it when it wasn't even this bad and her response was that she was busy. I don't think that works here though, because my last message to her on WhatsApp was "good morning" . If she had time to update her status then i don't think it's wrong to assume that she should have had the time to respond to good morning in the past one week.

I've not concluded though. I'm just preparing my mind for the worst.

Nicepoker:
Yeah it has to be your friend.Tell us the truth so we know how to help you. Things like this you need coded 411.

Lol. Oya tell me

Nonexisting:
Your friend and you have all these details about the relationship. Oga, stop deceiving yourself thinking you're deceiving us. The vaginarian doesn't take you serious. To her, you're just another stupid dick flooding her WhatsApp with stupid messages. Go and make good use of your time, stop constituting nuisance to yourself and to people's daughters.

This is exactly why I said it happened to a friend.

See all the insults you gave me because I asked for advice.

Kobojunkie:
So it isn't a friend but you, and you are in fact insecure in what you claim to be a relationship?

Yeah, I was trying to avoid personal attacks, i just wanted to know different people's opinions.

What do you mean by insecure?

Dtruthspeaker:
You did not say "born again' when you said "...lies, murder, fornication etc do not take people to hell fire."

So this is A CHANGE OF POST!

I guess you have to read the OP again

The only sin that takes people to hell is the sin of not accepting the sacrifice of Jesus Christ

That's a quote from the OP. Or what does getting born again mean? Is it not responding to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and accepting him as your Lord and saviour? Re-read it again, it's clear from the post that only born again Christians are going to heaven. I guess you didn't understand the essence of the post. The main point of the Post is that when a born again Christian commits sin, it does not make him lose his salvation and it does not and cannot take him to hellfire.

Dtruthspeaker:
After Peter's declaration that they sinned against The Holy Spirit and they immediately died!

Please, do not ridicule yourself. Take correction, for you are Wrong.
As you can see, you can not reasonably and validly defend your opinions, as others before you who thought and said these same things but they all Fell!



You know not what you say.

You're still yet to show me that they were born again Christians. Let's start from there, before moving to the issue of whether they're in hell or heaven.

Dtruthspeaker:
You not what you say!

isn't Eternal Life part of the benefits of living according to the Commandments?

Note! This is a Trap question.

No it's not. living according to the commandments will not and can never give you eternal life. It's only believing in Jesus Christ and accepting His sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins that will give you eternal life. Obeying the commandments of God is a response to the love that He has shown for you by forgiving you of all your sins through the death of Jesus Christ.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you know that Paul was a Lawyer?

And do you know that "End" in Law means Destination or Goal?

In this light that Paul was a Lawyer, and all he wrote was "A Law Document" requiring A Lawyer's Interpretation as Peter warned you people in 2 Peter 3:16,
Re-interprete what it says.

Many of your kind came here with this error and none of them could back it up.

What do you mean by this? Are you saying that only lawyers (theologians) can interpret the word of God? The Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and therefore it's only the Holy spirit that can help to interpret the Bible and not Bible colleges or whatever and to be honest I don't think I really know what you're talking about.