₦airaland Forum

Focusmind:
It is the Nigerian ways of doing things. No attention to details. The "Oga, leave am like that"mentality. Na so we dey do am here.

I am shocked that Michlin could see someone's demand for good workmanship as an attack on Nigerian artisans while he had earlier made comments about how the Beninoise had taken over the plastering business from Nigerians because of poor workmanship.

I can't go below my taste. I will pay you money and demand thorough workmanship. There is nothing like "Nigeria is a difficult place". Every body is facing the same difficulty in his or her trade. That should not be a reason to compromise on quality.

Give them sample of what you want, some would still deliver below standards. Sometimes, it's not about having the correct tools. It's about concentration and cheer determination to deliver first class work.

Michlin, please allow people that demands professionalism to be. Once you have established taste for class, you wouldn't want to go below it.

Somehow, sorry I used your quote to digress.

you can demand professionalism and it's your right. Be ready to pay for it too.

If you see a chair that costs $10,000 and want to replicate it in Nigeria, kindly be willing to pay at least $7,000.

In a working country, there are vocational training schools where you learn all kinds of skills but it's not working in Nigeria. How do you want them to grow without relearning skills as they come. It's not long when our Nigeria engineers stopped using two pillars at the front of a building. No car lives after five years of being maintained by a Nigerian mechanic. If you ask them, they will tell you that Okoro imported inferior parts.

I have been seeing designs on Pinterest and I don't even know how they made it. If you bring such to me, I will tell you that I can't make it.

If anyone here can bring a functional vocational training center in this world, I will gladly attend and I know many artisans will. The lack of such training is the reason people always say "oga that's how we do it". That's because outside of that,he has no other idea as to how to get it done.

I thank God for this thread, I have learnt so much about my work and how to do better than I learnt under my boss. Due the type of people I meet here, I have improved my job tremendously but I still know that the journey isn't even started yet. Hopefully, I will keep learning

somehow:
When it comes to items like furniture, recommendation isn't everything due to the difference in taste.

What is even annoying is the fact that what they display is always good looking compared to what they end up building for you. I then wonder who built the displayed ones.

the samples are done by them. What happens is that there are dubious people who wants to eat today forgetting that they will still go hungry tomorrow.


From your complaints, it's obvious that he used inferior materials to do the job and that's why it started falling apart quite early.

See eh, after your numerous experience with artisans and people, I admire your resolve in still trusting people. You're a good person and I will encourage you to keep being good.

sonnie10:
Because of the argument here, out of curiosity I just googled to check how much the current price of Bellini set of leather furniture is, you won’t believe what I found.
The least one now is about $40k.

at $40,000, they'll see it on the internet and expect you to replicate with Nigeria price.

somehow:
I wanted to buy some chairs from vava earlier this year, my wife discouraged me due to the cost and said we should build one instead.

We checked various furniture makers, they are mostly displaying their jobs on major highways Lagos-Abeokuta express way etc.

We decided to try out one of those guys displaying good looking chairs.

I gave him specifics, down to using 100% fibre for the covering, do you know that 1 week into delivery (After delaying by 5 days), the arms of at least 2 of the seaters started shaking?

Called him several times to come fix these issues, he kept giving excuses until I stopped calling him.

He even used the wrong color and wanted more money to have the fabrics changed to the color I chose.

There are things I wont be allowing Nigerian artisans handle for me, it's just getting out of hand. Almost all the furniture makers I have patronized for the past 5 years disappointed me one way or the other.

I don't know why this is so, is that that perfection is no longer a yardstick?

Artisans no longer want to stand out or what exactly is happening?

sir, it's sad what happened to you but like every business dealings including the ones done here,caveats are included.

Recently, the best way to contract a job is through recommendations.

Trust but verify

sonnie10:
Good furniture are not cheap. Bought this set of Bellini for $12k in 2005. Still firm and no scratch till date

how many people in Nigeria and this thread can pay such amount for a set of chairs

bolu1986:
Ogami,

Well said but there is market for everyone...

Was on a site sometimes last year where the tiler minimum charges was 2300 per SQM labour only!! Anything less he wont do it.. you know he has the tools.. and he pay his labourer premium fees..

You just have to identify your own market and stick by it

by comparism, how many people wants the minimalistic designs. How many people can afford it.


Answer those questions and you will know why it's difficult to make. Few days ago, people here were talking about how difficult it's to access straight woods. It's not just that it's expensive, you really have to search for it very hard to get. After searching for treated woods for weeks or months and working on a project for months. You charge 2ml for a set of chairs and they will remind you that it's more expensive than imported woods.

Please, it's not easy doing what artisans do in Nigeria but I don't expect you guys to understand it cause it's easier to point out errors from the comfort of the keyboard. And everyone can become creative after browsing through Pinterest

Godisgreatest1:
I am 98% sure you won't find this in Nigeria. The first reason is because carpenters in Nigeria believe in 'the larger the better'..the second is that they 'love' to copy each other despite the obvious fact that the designs are boring.

I saw a 1 seater sofa that can occupy my entire living room!. Such furniture's are a waste of space and will eventually become habitats for rodents and pests.

I don't know if my choices are weird, because I have been searching for a perfect dinning table set since early 2021?. All I see is marble and more marbles.

Just ask any Nigerian carpenter to show you his samples then you will clearly see their deficiencies, both in terms of imagination and creativity.

how many people want minimalistic designs in Nigeria. You folks in this thread are somewhat living outside of reality seriously.

You guys have been berating Nigeria artisans for a few days now. If you think what we're doing is easy, kindly do it. The reason designs are repeated is because that's what our society wants. We want it big or nothing.

Being an artisan in Nigeria is very very difficult. You want to do something different whereas you don't know how the market will accept it and it's not like you have the funds to test new waters. Getting tools is very very expensive and even when you manage to get it, they will still compare your prices with what others are charging thereby demoralizing you.

What is the purchasing power of Nigerians. How many people can afford treated hardwood. The few who could simply would import it from Dubai.

Biko, if you don't want the artisans are currently making, take your own design and give them to make for you or you can simply import same.

somehow:
Democracy no fit Nigeria and Nigerians.

they sold us a dummy

Aforxzy:
We spent about 85million.

it's worth every kobo knowing how much the steel trustees cost

LordviccoDaGuru:
Go hug transformer Buhari till 2031

make sure you get sense before end of the day. Don't continue like this

So this untold hardship will be swept under carpet and no one will answer for it.

Hehehehe


You're not my child and still you want to frustrate my life?

It's obvious you're representative of my village people but unlike them, you're under my roof and eating my sweats.

You will have to continue your work outside my house before I am charged with murder and child endangerment

ma373733:
So?

He also took pictures with Buhari and others too

should rope him too

In a sane country, this act will start a heavy protest but this country has managed to drain our emotions and made us into working machines

They will really nail this man.

Obi kerenke

princetunex:
Abeg who get fuel on clearance price. Epp a brother biko

#180 per liter but you will have to come to Nnewi to get it

Abudu2000:
dont u ever insult nigeria youths regardless of the news seun feeds u daily here or u think it is easy surviving in this totally dead economy? As it is now the economy is totally down. no fuel, no light! how then will the youths survive? or they should be at ur site working for 2k per day b4 u know they are hardworking? basic amenities other countries have is what we see here as miracles.. the youths might now be soiling their hands with crimes but this country pushed them into it. check most self made who claimed to have struggled they all had a rich background eg dangote. some youths have to provide almost everything for themselves and still yet the economy cant make it easy for one to survive. why am even saying all these you already know but i dont know whatever you took that made u spew that foolish comment but next time pls dont.. you might get attacked!

country hard.

It's not easy anywhere in the world. Mindset sets us apart. So it's easier to blame Nigeria. Meanwhile this country has one of the most subsided education sector.

The untapped resources are plentiful. You just have to get dirty first unfortunately many people don't want that

Lovelygbems:
New table top gas cooker for declutter

Have no use for it


Price is 12k
(Non negotiable)

Location Ayobo Lagos

07067025384

pictures of the table top. You're not on WhatsApp

somehow:
To protect their territory against NATO if Ukraine joins NATO.

Ukraine has millions of Russians (that are officially Ukrainias) there but in the minority.

NATO being in Ukraine would lead to Russia encircling by the west.

so they will invade Ukraine and then take control of the territory right

The recent clampdown on Google about privacy and stuff is the reason.

They're not tracking your activities and keeping records as much as they used to.

At least he's certain that the money won't spoil due to human activity like walking on it

somehow:
Anything the West say, do not believe them.

Do not forget :

Libya
Iraq
Syria
Afghanistan

And a host of other lies they have been known for.

They use their media to push their brainwashing so as to justify their next move.

my own question is simple,why does Russia need to invade Ukraine

The sample versus what I made. I can assure you 96% replica of your design

IMF protecting her interests since beginning of times

samsonegar:
Plsss you have an idea of diesel consumption per hour?

here's what I can tell you, I use about six liters every day and I run the generator for about eight hours daily

samsonegar:
You mean 41k weekly for diesel for at least 8hrs daily?

no I meant four liters (4L) of oil weekly

Amotolongbo:
Fake arrest!

Why today of all days?

As we await the Hushpuppy judgement today, February 14, Nigerian government is trying so hard to hold on to his accomplice, Kyari here in Nigeria. They do not want to extradite him to face prosecution in US.

I don't know what your problem is but I'm not sure anyone can diagnose you

samsonegar:
My 195 sifang diesel engine is over smooking and heavily drinking engine oil. What may be the possible solutions?

it's time to ring it. Mine is having same issue although the oil consumption isn't steady. I spend 4l weekly and I run it at least eight hours daily.

My engineer told me to keep managing it since there's no original OEM parts available right now that once I change the rings, it's steady maintenance from there

Spyder880, INZE and others too numerous to mention. You guys deserve all the love and happiness life can bring

Hopefully they won't blame Nigerians for the racial abuse they suffer in the hands of the whites

This man can be charged with kidnapping and hostage taking and that's his end

People will say it's because of the father's wealth. But it is just the way relationships are built. Someone else is going to gain something more than the next person.


Anyway congratulations to them. Let my money work for me

This ASUU is the most vibrant trade union in Nigeria. Maybe it's because they're all academia