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Icon4s:
The team is not that bad.

I am not trying to say the team doesn't need improvement but from my experience of the followership of the AYC and WYC the group stage of the AYC is typically tougher than the group stage of the WYC. Take that from me.

By and large I expect the coach to infuse more quality options in the Midfield and attack. That defense looks cool for me. The only player that is a suspect there is the RB, Samuel Zaruma.

I expect a great WYC outing.

Primarily when you bring in players like Kingsley Michael and even Oshimen(who for me should be going to the U20 not Afcon except Odey is going) you will see that the overall play will improve. Nice work by Aigbogun if you ask me with the resources he has, feed the bear and watch him deliver

BascoVanVeli:
Unlike you I actually watch the NPFL not just to come here and let people know I can talk.

Akwa was the best team to watch a couple seasons ago but when they went to the old stadium the match was very poor to watch.


Which team do you know to play good football on a bad pitch? Common sense tells you that you must play for the result.

Bro you are wasting time explaining to them what is clearly obvious. I doubt there is any NPFL pitch that is half as bad as this one. But just to malign Aigbogun they will dig up everything.

Abeg for all the well wishers of the U20 here, congrats we have made it to the World Cup proper. Now our focus should shift to the world cup proper and the players that should be called, I really don't care if they lose 4-0 and 5-0 in the next two matches.

Humility017:
you're trying to talk to the wrong person...
Dude will defend everything even when it is crystal clear that those guys are overage average players....
a more hardworking coach like Manu would have done better in infusing quality players from football academies and club feeder teams.

The same Manu that was disgraced out of the U20 World Cup with far better players? I do hope you know that the first eleven of this team will not even be close to what it was today when the proper tourney starts? Let me get your problem exactly, did we not win this match? I thought the general idea on this thread is that the result is all that matters just like Rohr? Why is he now getting the stick? So even Manu who failed woefully at the U20 is now better than him despite the fact that he is doing exactly what you people want, getting results. I tire for all you sha

Icon4s:
Which one be 3 big heads again o

Na Isi-ukwu-ato person he be na say Abia get bad mouth na mainly those people and Ohafia people, they just dey vex easily

tbaba1234:
Ancelotti gave him more freedom. Under Mou, he played strictly to instructions.

I would say he has his best season under Di Matteo. His performances in the Champions league that season were immense, and considering the level of the teams, that was his best performance of his life.

ChrisKels:
Between u that is keeping only Nigeria in view and me that is keeping Nigeria, Senegal and other African teams, who actually appears shallow minded judging from the bolded? E be like say u learnt those words newly, hence throwing them about though outta context?

Bro calm down na. All of you with three big heads too dey vex easily self

andrew444:
Don't you know how to read ?

Someone is giving you example of iwobi qualities you are saying something else

Where did he say iwobi is better than Ozil ?

He is trying to tell you ozil is a world class player but iwobi is starting ahead of him

Now ask me why ? Ozil has been shit this season

Iwobi have been better than Ozil this season doesn't mean iwobi is a better player than Ozil in general

Stop generating unnecessary arguments

I will let you rubbish talk slide though while I explain to you in kindergarten terms what I was doing since it us certain that never in your life were you a good debater.

The argument from the onset has been that Iwobi has been average, to end the argument I asked him squarely is Iwobi average, then he brought up the Iwobi starts ahead of Ozil so he isn't average, so I asked him is Iwobi better than Ozil.

First he could have answered yes. That Iwobi is better than Ozil and that would have been the highest delusion ever, I wouldn't even need to be the one to tell him that sentiments has done a number on him.

Second he could have answered no, that Iwobi has been better than Ozil this season. In that case I will then ask him has Ozil not been poor this season? Therefore how does it change the fact that Iwobi is average since he is only benching a player who has totally lost form.

Those are the two scenarios that were expected to play out until you jumped you in with your rather nonsensical comment and he has jumped on the back of it to successfully ride the upcoming wave. Next time I suggest you read to understand or if you do not know why something was said then ask, that makes you look a lot more smarter than just making senseless comments like the one you just did. There are various examples, Lindgard is not better than Sanchez but he starts ahead of him because Sanchez has been poor this season, same can be said of Vinicius and Asensio, but that question was not yours to answer.

TheGoodJoe:
Average players can not pass like Iwobi.
Average players do not have Iwobi’s kind of work rate.
Average players can not pull off the kind of dribbles Iwobi does. Heck. He is starting while Ozil and Ramsey benches. Ever wondered why? Or is Ozil average?

I didn't see this.

So Iwobi is better than Ozil??

[quote author=Taliban post=75393432][/quote] I was having a serious migraine yesterday so imagine my surprise when I saw the comment

First of all what does Puel and Rohr have to do with our debate yesterday?

Then he totally took all I said about Puel out of context. All I have said is that Leicester will not sack Puel because he is getting them results, that does not mean I like their style of play. Then I also said that if Madison and Vardy are scoring and assisting and playing well under Puel then Iheanacho should not be using it as an excuse.

Thankfully this morning I have already forgotten about it so it is back to normal. At the end of the day we all support the SE

Dannyxy:
I think it's clear that some people here just wait for opportunities to pull down our players...

We all know the truth

According to someone like mickeal2. Puel is doing a great job, and he his conservative style isn't to be blamed for iheanacho's predicament, afterall he is getting results, then he turns around in another argument to say, rohr is a bad tactician, and his conservative style is affecting the team play, we should forget his results..

What double standards, heh.. Lol..

Some of us, don't have the time to always argue here, but we started following this thread from the first day , and used to be active on this section, even before this thread was created , even before some of you joined or knew nairaland, now we are just serial readers, contributing opinions anytime we can.. I am just highlighting this fact, so someone here would not think that because he is always available here to argue and debate topics, he wouldn't be floored, if some of us decided to actually engage..

We are all learning at the end of the day..

I had actually decided that I wouldn't reply again but I have to correct this nonsensical and downright stupid comment, no offence.

Now Puel is not my manager and I have not for once said he is a fantastic coach, people just said he should be sacked and I rightly asked the rationale behind sacking a coach who is comfortable in midtable, then y'all said he is the reason why Iheanacho has been poor then I asked why other players like Madison and Vardy are scoring and assisting, picking up great stats under him. Leicester city actually play some very good football on their day, like the match against Liverpool, the match agaibst Man U today they created at least three good chances and factually matched Manchester United. He is not a brilliant coach I wouldn't argue with that at all but if you tell me he is going to be sacked I will tell you that you are wrong and that is true.

Then down to Rohr. I do not like having to run him down again but you asked for it. As a matter of fact after typing the explanation about Puel I figured out it was a waste of my precious time actually replying your comment. Rohr is not a good tactician everybody knows that, the extra problem which I always hang on to is that when coach's stand up to be counted Rohr will always be found wanting. For goodness sake I have used this line over and over again, Leicester is getting results against top team while we lay down flat for average Argentina at the world cup and we have to park the bus against South Africa. I am really disappointed you made this comparisons but then again I guess I need to put you in a level lower than you currently are in my books so I won't be too disappointed next time

TheGoodJoe:
Time will judge that one. So far this season, Iwobi has been one of the bright stars for Arsenal.

Is he average or not??

TheGoodJoe:
I did not say Iwobi was brilliant. I pointed out why and explained it was down to the brilliance of City.

The point is too simple. Iwobi will get the poor rating because of losing that ball.

OK let us come back. So two goals went in through Iwobi's side, Iwobi blatantly caused one of the goals while Lichsteiner was at fault for not tracking Sterling. So that means factually Iwobi caused one goal and Iwobi caused the other, so what is all this rubbish about work rate??

TheGoodJoe:
Lichtsteiner 4/10 | Both goals from crosses on his side. Woefully caught out of position for the City second. Nowhere near good enough.
https://www.arsenalstation.com/2019/02/03/player-ratings-man-city-3-1-arsenal-lichtsteiner-iwobi-woeful-for-gunners/

You can see it was not Iwobi’s side. Iwobi was forced to help an under performance Lichtsteiner who had no idea of how to deal with the attacks of City.

Here is the ratings for Iwobi, Lacazzete and Auba from the same site. Note: Lacazzete worked his socks off. Nothing was mentioned about Iwobi working hard.

Iwobi 4.5/10 | At fault for the early opener after giving away possession cheaply and offered very little going forward.

Lacazette 6.5/10 | Worked his socks off in the first half but tired after the break. Very little to feed off in the box.

Aubameyang 5/10 | No service at all. Close to getting in behind a couple of times but the pass was just too strong.

TheGoodJoe:
Lichtsteiner 4/10 | Both goals from crosses on his side. Woefully caught out of position for the City second. Nowhere near good enough.
https://www.arsenalstation.com/2019/02/03/player-ratings-man-city-3-1-arsenal-lichtsteiner-iwobi-woeful-for-gunners/

You can see it was not Iwobi’s side. Iwobi was forced to help an under performance Lichtsteiner who had no idea of how to deal with the attacks of City.

Bro it was Iwobi's side, read Iwobi's rating from the same website you referenced.

Back to my goodnight question, does this in anyway mean that Iwobi is not average??

TheGoodJoe:
Lichtsteiner 4/10 | Both goals from crosses on his side. Woefully caught out of position for the City second. Nowhere near good enough.
https://www.arsenalstation.com/2019/02/03/player-ratings-man-city-3-1-arsenal-lichtsteiner-iwobi-woeful-for-gunners/

Iwobi got 4.5 too. OK Lichsteiner was worse than him, so he was not the worst player on the pitch, he was the second worst player on the pitch. Why didn't you post the entire ratings??

TheGoodJoe:
Will Lacazette make it?

Does that change my point that Iwobi is an average player?

TheGoodJoe:
They were not pressing they were not defending. You can see why I said Iwobi put in more work rate than them?

Oga your sentiments worse pass I dey go sleep. But before I go I want to ask you a final question. Do you think Iwobi will make it into any top four team in Spain, England, Italy, Germany or even France? Name the club and tell me the winger there that he is better than

TheGoodJoe:
Leichsteiner's side. I thought you said Iwobi was not a defender. Now you see the work rate he put in till people are calling it his side.

Oga the right side is their side, a RB and a RM occupies the right side. One marks the opposing winger while the other marks the opposing full back. So. It is Iwobi's side na. And they conceded twice, so how is that a good thing for Iwobi??

TheGoodJoe:
Were Lacazette and Aubameyang pressing City? You yourself said the City defenders were not tested. We're they tracking back to help the defence? No. But to you they were putting in more work rate than Iwobi who was repeatedly on the hitting end of the attacks.

Leave abeg the young man tried in an Arsenal team who could not deal with the brilliance of the City.

That is entirely down to the coach. He didn't organise the team to press high up the pitch so Auba and Lacazzete will disobey the coach and start pressing high

TheGoodJoe:
Do you know the intense work rate of Sterling and Laporte on that flank? I doubt you have a clue hence you think a decent team would do better as for you.

Answer. If Iwobi’s work rate did not count, why was Silva having acres of space when Iwobi left?

Naturally when you are losing and you introduce a player he is there to attack. Not to mention that it is perfectly normal that spaces open up late into every game. Normal stuff

TheGoodJoe:
They did not have to deal with as much pressure as Iwobi, hence they did not put in as much work rate as Iwobi.

The point is too simple. Iwobi put in more work than most players on that field.

And yet on top of all that work rate two of the goals came from Iwobi's side.

TheGoodJoe:
They put in their shift but they did not work half as hard as Iwobi who was repeatedly back to deal with the waves of attack of City. Toreira and Guendozi were. Next was Iwobi. Keep in mind the other two were defensive midfielders.

Give it to Iwobi. He worked his socks off. As soon as he left, that wing was open. I can not remember the Arsenal player who put his hand up complaining about the repeated space giving to David Silva.

They did not work half as hard as Iwobi yet they got better defensive numbers than Iwobi. So it is either Iwobi was running around like a headless chicken in defence, all running no end product or Iwobi didn't work hasl as hard as they did. So which one is it??

Don't tell me he was covering spaces, because if you cover spaces you must have at least one interception bro

Danielnino00:
Biased rating IMO.. Litchensteiner should be the worst.. His lack of creativity coupled with the fact that he drifted away from his wing to the centre made it all worse for Iwobi...

True, I would have him on 5 with Iwobi but probably becsue he didn't have a direct hand in any goal. Although you could point out his fault for that second goal.

TheGoodJoe:
But you saw the question that the goal came from Iwobi’s flank. Also, Iwobi who is a forward in the game losing the ball led to City's first goal. That shows the work Iwobi was putting for the team.

The point is too simple.

For goodness sake Arsenal was defending, Iwobi was not inside the box, he was at the edge of the box trying to hold off Laporte which is what a RM does, the FB goes with the WF while the RM sticks with the opposing full back, there is nothing new about it, how is that down to work rate

TheGoodJoe:
Arsenal played 3-4-3 Today. It was due to the defensive formation that had Iwobi having to stay in defence to help Arsenal deal with the pressure of City.

What you are seeing in WhoScored.com is like the average position, due to Iwobi dropping to help deal with Sterling's runs.

So the other players did not put in as much work as the three I pointed in the game. That deserves praise.

Even Auba and Lacazzete moved into midfield, that is them tracking back, expecting them to move into defense is not possible. In fact at some point Lacazzete's average position was behind that of Kolasinac, that means Lacazzete on the average occupied a more defensive position than Kolasinac, the full back.

TheGoodJoe:
I am asking you, did you not watch the game. Was Iwobi’s work rate in the game not brilliant? I will say it again. After Toreira and Guendozi, Iwobi was next for Arsenal in work rate.

And I am telling you that in their own way Auba and Lacazzete put in a tremendous shift too. As a striker if you track back it should be into the midfield but if a midfielder tracks back then it has to be into his box. Auba and Lacazzete kept on tracking back into midfield and actually doing something useful when they track back.

TheGoodJoe:
That is it. Very easy for you to say zero this zero that. Why not talk about the time Iwobi won the ball and gave a build up pass that almost led to a goal. I guess you will be oblivious to that. Did you see the position Iwobi was when he pulled that?

Far from the right hand side of the Arsenal team. That shows the work rate. Not clearance and block shot. Heck. The young man was not a defender in the game. It was his work rate that is creating the impression. That shows how hard he worked.

Explain why there was acres of space for Silva when Iwobi went out.

Apart from one random guy who probably followed the game online or something, nobody else thinks Iwobi was a defender. He was just chasing the ball and not winning it back? So what is the point?

TheGoodJoe:
It seems a lot of people do not understand work rate. Look at Aubameyang for instance. We hardly saw him in defence although in the first have he had some good track backs. However, we saw Iwobi in defence, down the flanks, he won the ball in the defensive midfield position that almost led to a goal, and also headed towards forward in the game.

They were few players working this hard for the Arsenal side.

People are free to tear down players but see some good in the players performance.

Not just shouting average, average.

Do you think whoscored does not consider work rate in their ratings? You are being totally sentimental, maybe only you saw the extraterrestrial work rate

TheGoodJoe:
Yes. It was definitely down to our brilliant dominance.

Lol.

TheGoodJoe:
How many times did you see Aubameyang and Lacazette in defence? It was Iwobi doing that. Will attempted tackles show how many times they were in defence.

Arsenal team were blown away due to Manchester City's brilliance. Not Iwobi.

The point is too simple.

Finito.

Haba mana gaskiya ni? Why would strikers be in the box? Naturally Iwobi is the LM(M stands for midfielder) it is natural for him to get into the box but why would Auba and Lacazzete be in the box when they are strikers waiting for a counter

TheGoodJoe:
I thought it was Iwobi that was only poor.

Or Lacazette and Aubameyang were brilliant without testing Fernandinho and Laporte. Please.

If you get passes you will test the players. Auba and Lacazzete had to play as midfielders because there was no connection. Who was supposed to be the creative outlet? Iwobi abi and he failed woefully at it

TheGoodJoe:
Where did you get best player? Work rate. Tell me how many players apart from Guendozi and Toreira put in the kind of work rate Iwobi showed for the team? The young man ran his socks off.

The poor rating is for his dispossession in defence. No one said Iwobi was phenomenal. I said his work rate was brilliant which is not counted.

Iwobi and Auba made the same number of tackles(1), Lacazzete had more interceptions than Iwobi(3, Iwobi had none, nothing). Clearances Iwobi zero, blocked shot Iwobi zero, easily that worst player on the pitch, maybe with that dude from Juve but no way did he put in more than Auba and Lacazzete