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somehow:
Your question has nothing to do with what I have been typing. Stay within the context of my post if we're discussing my post.

If oliseh was so bad as they have painted it, how then did he set all the records? With which players and staff? Shouldn't all of them be against him or at least most?

Make we reason am na.

Some poeple already have a pre-assumed mindset of Oliseh so anything that supports this, they lash on.

When things was rosy and he was enjoying good performance, some here we're putting up the 'but' in their statements waiting for one slip so they can say "I told you".


Weird set of Nigerians.

it baffles me that people are even keying into that rubbish. I mean this was the same Oliseh that took a bunch of unknowns to the top of the league,winning almost all their games at home, if that does not mean that the players are behind their coach I wonder what is. Then Oliseh is sacked and they lost(AT HOME) to a team that they should have defeated handsomely, if that is not the players voicing out their disappointment I wonder what is.

Fortuna Sittard is a local team and most of the top guys want their kids playing for the first team, and this was why Oliseh was sacked

goldfish80:
They call him the Lionel Messi of goalkeepers

the other day I was watching Roma vs Lazio(?). The type of saves this guy was making was insane, at some point I had to check very well to be sure that what I was watching wasn't a youtube highlight of his best saves, and this guy puts up this performance week in week out

TheGoodJoe:
But, is Alisson a better goalkeeper?

Alisson is a way, way better GK

forgiveness:
For clarification sake. Maduka Okoye is not playing in the Bundusliga fourth tier league though he only played twice there.

He's currently playing in the Bundesliga's under 19 league which is at lowest bottom of German league system. I mean bottom. Not 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th....I mean bottom. ..

Now, how is Maduka Okoye in a better place than Dele Alampasu who is the third goalkeeper in a Portuguese-liga ATM?


Note: I don't mind we cap Maduka Okoye or Maduka Okoye gets invitation ahead of Alampasu but I can't just waka pass wrong information. Thanks

Snapshot showing the position of the league level Maduka Okoye plays on the left of the screen.

if we say it now, they will sugar-coat it and say 'he is German bias and rightly so' instead of calling it what it is PLAIN, RIDICULOUS AND UNWARRANTED SENTIMENT

tbaba1234:
I never said one is getter better education. I was not comparing.

I said Maduka is getting the best education in the german system. And Rohr is biased towards the germans.

I have no idea on Udoh.

Which is very bad and isn't exactly far from one of Keshi's sins, but since it is Rohr who is favouring one side, I guess it's okay

Icon79:
We shouldn't speak ill of the dead but Keshi lost a big opportunity to qualify us for the WC quarter finals in 2014. The draw was massively on our side. We've never had such an easy draw at the world cup, but he totally bungled and mismanaged the situation completely. And that's all I gotta say for now.


O pari

I am sure that French team was in no way inferior to the Swedish and English team that bundled us out of the 2002 WC, neither were they inferior to the Denmark team that disgraced us in 98. Oh, not to forget that it was South Korea and Greece that eliminated us from the 2010 edition

soetanoreoluwa:
We would have done better

our best players going to that world cup(including the ones that were not even invited) was made up of a totally out of form and appaling Mikel Obi, Moses who would have been a better option as a ball boy and Osaze and Onazi, both weren't exactly world beaters going into that tournament. Yet Keshi managed to navigate the group stages against a Bosnian team that had the highest goalscorer during the qualifiers and was one of the first teams to qualify for the mundial and yet we do not give him the salutations that are unarguably due to him. I mean who knew Babatunde before then? What is even the assurance that Imoh Ezekiel would have kicked the ball even once? We played a 4-2-3-1, our starting forward players were Musa, Osaze, Babatunde and Emenike and the first choice off the bench was easily VicMo, so what difference would Imoh Ezekiel make?

soetanoreoluwa:
That's a probability... What's it

this one is not a probability at all.

Ok, let's assume Imoh Ezekiel was invited, he would have been on the bench anyways, would that force the ref to send off Matuidi or give us a penalty?

9 times out of 10, Matuidi would have been sent off, and 9 times out of 10 too, we would have gotten that penalty, let's say we are 1goal up and a man up, getting to the QF would have been easier than locating the clavicle. So I am not sure Keshi's team selection hindered us at the world cup

SerVik:
When asked to list 35 players for the preliminary list, enyeama was part of my top 5 goalkeepers.

I see some are comfortable with the likes of alampasu and okoye ahead of enyeama. Truth is, enyeama and alampasu are in the same category having not played a game this season, but unlike alampasu, enyeama has experience working for him.

I say we invite him as part of the 5 goalkeepers and keep a close eye on him. If he is rusty, we can easily drop him but if he proves to be better than what we have, I say we give him a chance

simple and short!

No way Enyeama will not outperform all the other goalkeepers even if they all line up in the middle of goal at once

andrew444:
Naby keita is a central M,while ndidi is a defensive M,so don't mistake,or because he is a Nigerian player you think he won't make that Liverpool team?i don't know how true the news his,how can you say leichester remain the best club for him? If the offer is right he should move,naby keita did not hesitate to join Liverpool, player like ndidi can make Liverpool starting 11,because I see no special DMF there

Keita is very very comfortable playing as a DMF. And except you think Ndidi is going to come and send Henderson to the bench, I dont know what your point is.

Kog45:
Well with intact 2013 afcon team with few changes at WC may be we would be talking about qtr final now.

Remember 2nd round record belonged to Westerhoff though Keshi equal it which to me not a failure,hope Rohr would surpasses it cos anything short of qtr final not really good.

well if Matuidi had been sent off and that penalty against Evra awarded, we may yet be talking about the quaterfinals now. So was our failure down to the players he paraded?

Humility017:
apart from babatunde. ...who else amongst the Rockies played really good football in that world cup...?
uchebo,Gabriel, nwafor, agbim,shola etc

Oshaniwa

modified: Shola and Uchebo also had decent games in some of our preWorld Cup matches, just that they didnt get enough time to impact on the world cup.

That said rewatch the Bosnia game and see just how vital Shola's introduction was, he held up the ball brilliantly

edi287:
Naby isn't necessarily a destroyer. He's much closer to Pogba if anything. Dude even plays on the wing sometimes.
Where it'll be difficult for him is if Liverpool sign Lemar as well. I can see Ndidi being Emre Can's replacement. Henderson will be the only one able to play as a DM if Emre leaves

Keita is more of a Kroos kinda player not exactly Pogba. Kroos has thrived as a DMF in a counter attacking system under Ancelloti and coincidentally, that is the kind of system Klopp employs.

Then who is the back-up to Mohammed Salah? We don't even know his name because he has probably not played up to three games this season, that should tel you a lot about Klopp's rotational policy

edi287:
I was wondering if my eyes were playing tricks on me. Nacho as tall as Lewandowski

the problem is that the guy quoted it like it is a known fact! How is Iheanacho a tall striker?

edi287:
Ndidi plus Naby Keita and maybe Lemar...Liverpool are not playing around oo. They'll challenge for the title next season

where will Ndidi play? Ndidi going to Liverpool will be the worst mistake of his life. You have a coach who is always going to play a 4-3-3. In the middle you only have room for one destroyer(which is what Ndidi is), then consider the fact that you also have Naby Keita coming in who is a destroyer plus a brilliant ball player. I think this talk should die down until the transfer window comes around then we can see the clubs who actually have a deficiency in their DMF role and who are willing to take Ndidi. For me though, Leicester remains the best club for him

edi287:
Not true. Pep had no problems with Lewandowski who is 6'1 and just as tall as Nacho (according to wiki sha). Pep wasn't just impressed with his allround game. He only saw him as a poacher.

Nacho is 5'11 which makes this talk of Pep disliking tall strikers a far-fetched one to me.

PS: disregard Wiki when it comes to players height

Kog45:
That Keshi decision was the most stupid for any coach to do,after winning Afcon Keshi choose destructive way and destroyed his own team,no coach would bring 7 to 10 new players in to his team and have successful tournament.

we made the round of 16 and barely lost out to France, wasn't that a success?

tbaba1234:
Akpan Udoh just joined the Israeli club and is still playing with the youth team too.

Rohr is more in tune with German football. You can guarantee that Maduka is getting the best education. Hopefully, he becomes good.

how is Maduka getting the better education? I mean this boy's club literally bought a top class coach for him. See you can attend the best medical school in the world but someone who employs Keith Moore as a personal tutor is going to beat you in just about any anatomical exam. I believe Maduka is in the better system but Akpan for me is getting the better education. Also, considering the fact that his club was willing to hire a personal coach for him shows the huge potential he has and if anyone deserves the confidence boost, it is him.

tbaba1234:
When last did Emmanuel Daniel and Alampasu play football?

If Uzoho proves to be good enough to play as number 1 then having Maduka as a number 3 is not a bad idea. It is great for the experience. Number 3 is not going to play anyway.

Maduka Okoye's club appears to rate him highly so the ability is there. It is left to Maduka to prove himself in camp.

there is this young nigerian goalkeeper in the Israeli league, heard his clubside wants to turn him into the next best thing after sliced bread. If you ask me, he is the one who deserves that 3rd spot

Icon4s:
And u get to Wonder why he is tagged an enemy of Nigerian football.

so it is no longer just Iheanacho? We are making progress

Mickael2:
the coach corrected the glaring errors which I pointed out earlier and the results improved. Nice switch of plans there

tbaba1234:
Mickael2 just criticises. I have never seen him take a non-critical position on any issue.

After criticizing Rohr before the Algerian and Argentinian games and predicting losses in both games. My guy did not even give credit to whom it is due after we managed not to lose both games.

like I said, y'all argue based on a certain believe that I am always critical and this makes it easy for you to miss comments like this one.

Mujtahida argued with me before that game in fact. I said Shehu would be bad as a wingback if you recall, that was in the face of us employing a 3-5-2 formation, and I said if we could use the right persons we would have a balanced game(granted I thought Argentina would nick it). 30mins in, wrong players and we were losing by 2goals that was when I came online again to point out that Rohr has made that mistake I warned about, later on Rohr changed the wingbacks and the game changed. And after the game I came up and made the comment above. Do you still think I have never praised someone before? Then search all my comments on Keshi, Siasia, Martins, Ndidi(his own got to a point that Goldfish80 said he is my boy) etc.

kellycute:
nacho is the most intelligent super eagles striker of all time!, with an incredible left foot from above!. That lad Gonna light up russia.

all time?

Cc Icon4s
Mujtahida

Mujtahida:
We have succeeded in creating a sickening mental framework around Iheanacho and 90% of what being said has nothing to do with the young man but only depicts us the posters for who we are.

you see me as I no dey talk am again bah?

But where I have an issue is when people start tagging you an automatic hater in any debate you enter. If na Nacho debate we dey, tag me a hater and I will tag you a fanboy and laugh about it and move on, but just because I said a tackle like Onazi's own may not always be a red card offence I am now tagged a SE hater. Normally I wouldn't expect anything less from theGoodJoe but even Icon4s is part of the crusade now. I do not mince words one bit, so Icon4s, you really really disappointed me there. I was arguing entirely on the instance and somehow you brought in the fact that it was Onazi and that was the only reason why I was talking which was purely false, even BascoVanVielli who always argues for Onazi got the point and I want to believe that tbaba1234 got the idea too because he alligned his points with the instance and not the player.

Icon4s:
I think you are right. You cannot start a game except if you have 11 players.

I recall a friendly between Ghana and Zambia some time ago. Zambia had only 9 players. They had to search for Zambians anywhere in London. They were able to secure 3 Zambian students. 2 of them started the game while 1 was on the bench.

Zambia lost that game 4:0.

So I think you must start the game with 11 players else its a walk-over.

exactly!

We are even our own problem sef. Why would The Punch be circulating such false info without confirmation? Something that actually never happened. People will read it and think it's true, not many people have friends who watched the game live and who saw what happened

komekn:
Dangerous play over aggressive, I am being a bit biased and I have seen red cards for less.

but if I am correct you have seen worse tackles that weren't punished with a red right? And is that a sign of corruption?

I think it should be a walkover. And a paddy who watched the game said they were 11 but didn't have a bench but not 10, you shouldn't be able to start a game with 10 players and that was why Etim Esin(?) once played a match without being invited

AIG07:
Hmmm... This is serious. But is it really possible? I mean going by the rule of the game.

Over to the men of the books and history.

Cc: Icon4s
Kog45,
TheGoodJoe,
Mickael2,
Mujtahida... etc.

If possible, I think we've found answer to our goalkeeper crisis. We can as well play in the world cup without a goal keeper. Hahaha!

tbaba1234:
Nope, any ref should give a red card, it is not up to discretion.

The only excuse is if the ref did not see it.

If he saw the tackle, it is a straight red. It is not up for debate.

and you are even adding more reasons for me. Now if you look at that replay, the way Matuidi approached that play made it seem like it wasn't a bad tackle, infact Mikel carried on with the game thinking it was so mild that Onazi would probably stand up later and continue(that was what affected Mikel's opinion because that interview was held immediately after the match even before he got to watch the highlights himself). Ok let's all agree that it is a red card offence, but would you say that the ref was corrupt or maybe there was an agenda because that red card wasn't given? Yes or No(this is actually what the argument is all about and not the Onazi injury)

Icon4s:
Do you know what a Yellow card means? It means take caution.

That kind of tackle against Onazi you cannot just ask the player to take caution. You have to send him straight away!

you see that misunderstanding?

You know that if you break someone's ankle totally and the ref decides to play the advantage at that particular point in time and the team scores, the ref cannot come back and send off that player again despite how reckless that foul was? That was what happened in the 2006 final between Arsenal and Barca to Lehmann. So I am not viewing the yellow card here as a caution, just trying to point out that it was a bad foul but some refs may have decided to not send him off totally

Icon4s:
You saying it was a Yellow and not a Red card offense means you are trivializing the case. That is it.

nooooo. No! Very very far from it, like I have mentioned on some days, for some refs it's a red card, bad bad tackle. Now if you recall this whole argument started when someone said VAR would remove bias against Africa teams and I asked for an instance, therein he provided this Onazi incident. I alluded that the tackle was bad but that the ref not sending him off may have been due to his own interpretation of the foul. I gave you the anatomical reasons why that same foul may not have ended up in an injury which may have changed the refs mind about the idea that matuidi intentionally wanted to injure Onazi. I also gave out part of the rulebook where fouls below the ankle are yellow-card offence. Then I finally added that I would have sent that guy off myself, probably a 1000 other people would send him off but if you slow down and think very well, you'd see some reasons why the guy waved it off. You even added the fact that no nigerian player protested, so now I do not understand why you are accusing me of ridiculing the extent of that foul, seems like you have forgotten the primary bone of contention

For the record, I don't care about your stance, it is your opinion and is squarely yours.

On the matter though....wait sef, do you think I am saying that the foul was a fair one or that it isn't bad? What do you even think is the point I am trying to make?

Icon4s:
Michael2, we all here are critics. We have criticised different things about Nigerian football, our players or coaches, the NFF, and all. We all see it as due to the love of the game and the GWG.

When some people called you a hater of the national team and some players, remember I was one of those that defended you as not being a hater but just a critic.

How can you be defending such evil done against a Nigerian player and you here doing one kind of comparison with one case I don't even want to know about? Is it because it was Onazi, one of the players that have always been on your bad books, that was involved?

My brother, I am beginning to feel I was wrong about my stance about you being a hater all along.

tbaba1234:
Nope, once the ref sees that tackle, it is a straight red.

No ifs or buts..

you know that your interpretation of an intentional handball for example, may differ from my own interpretation right?

Icon4s:
Yet a fellow Nigerian, a so called supporter of Nigerian football is trivializing the tackle.

as always, gross misunderstanding of the case at hand. Who in his right senses would say that that wasn't a bad tackle? What the point is right now is 'was it a sign of corruption that the ref did not send off Matuidi' and that is all I am talking about. I have said this over and again