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TheGoodJoe:
Read the bolded.

In FIFA’s citing of the foundational
MRI study for boys, however, its major
mistake lies in applying these
population-level statistics to individual
athletes. A closer examination of the
full data shows that the actual wrist
bone growth stages can occur at a
wide range of ages. Among 16-year-
olds, for example, roughly the same
number of kids were at stages 1, 3, 4
and 5, representing a spectrum of
growth at that age. “There is so much
overlap that you may have a person
who is 18 who could have only
minimal fusion to complete fusion,
and there are people who are already
fused going from ages 20 to 16,” says
Vicente Gilsanz, a professor of
radiology and pediatrics at the
University of Southern California.
Although only one player in the 16-
year age group was graded as
completely fused (stage 6), the
standard deviation in that grouping is
also pretty telling.
The stages are even called fusion stages for obvious reasons, to show they are monitoring the fusion level not some disappearing plate

TheGoodJoe:
Read the bolded.

it is an explanation of how the fusion starts and why it starts. It is in simple English na haba

TheGoodJoe:
Read the bolded. That is what the scan is about. The one getting thinner and thinner until it is replaced by bones. When the scan is done, they are looking for the one getting thinner and thier. Not the one formed after.

haba. What they are checking is for the degree of fusion, not something that is disappearing, Haba Oga, learn now

TheGoodJoe:
I think you should tell yourself that. You were the one who said bone growth. Now you are telling them to tell me. Is Bone fusion and bone growth the same thing?

Once the plates join together, growth ceases. Gerrit?

TheGoodJoe:
Are you reading what I am saying or you are just typing? Did I not clearly state that the plates disappear at 17 years. So what do you mean the plates are already there?

As a baby, the bone is hard. As the baby gets older, there is formation at the edge of the hard bone, which leaves holes in it. As the baby gets older the formation is outer why the plate is inside. The formation continues like that with the plate getting thinner and thinner until it disappears at 17.

That is why FIFA wants those who still have he plates playing at the U17 World Cup. So what do you mean that the plate is there?

Wrist bone development certainly
does change during adolescence.
Before puberty the human body
cranks out cells that help produce
new cartilage along the ends of
bones. These areas of the bone,
known as growth plates, are
eventually converted into bone
material, which helps the bones
lengthen. Yet as teenagers, both
males and females start producing
more estrogen, which slows that
cellular production process—and
their growth plate cartilage
subsequently gets thinner and
thinner until some of the bones in
that area fuse together, and the
growth plates close and are replaced
by solid bone. (That’s why wrist scans
are sometimes used alongside those
of the fingers, in tandem with other
biological information, to estimate a
growing child’s eventual height.) The
exact timing of this fusion, however,
varies a lot between individuals.


I do not know why you like arguing, just learn for once.

The plates are already there from birth, just that they are not made up of 'bone materials' at then, so you can be forgiven if you say the plates are not there. But contrary to what you are saying, the plates actually APPEAR at 17, they are now made up of 'bone' materials and fuse together to form one solid bone plate and once the solid bone is formed growth ceases(because it is the long bones that grow). Take the correction and let us move on, the idea of the MRI is centered on the fusion of those small growth plates to form the solid plate, not the absence of growth plates

tbaba1234:
I tried googling that theory, can't find any evidence of citrus on MRI tests.

I do find it strange because MRI simply looks at the fusion of growth plates and is considered 99% accurate.

In poor countries, due to poor nutrition some plates might fuse a little later but it is usually not more than 2 years.

Please tell theGoodJoe that it is bone fusion, the plates are already there and will continue growing until the plates fuse which is usually between the ages of 15-19 which means a younger person can fail it and an older person can pass it still

Icon4s:
The thing is no one's opinion is useless here and no one has The superiority of opinions. If we consider our ways of reasoning in the past and how we reason now you'll find out that we have all learnt from each other in diverse ways.

Kog45

TheGoodJoe:
The plates is for bone formation. After the formation of the bone, the bone still grow. So it is a misconception thinking the MRI scan for U17 is for bone growth. No, it is for bone formation. After 17, the bone stops forming and continues growing. After the plate goes, FIFA will not allow you play in the Tourney.

The examination protocol was applied in
four countries using, their respective MRI
equipment using a 1‐T or 1.5‐T magnet and
a wrist coil. 496 healthy male adolescent
football players between the ages of 14 and
19 years from Switzerland, Malaysia, Algeria
and Argentina were selected for the study.
The degree of fusion of the left distal radial
physis was determined by three
independent raters by a newly developed
grading system which can be used in future
MRI epiphysial fusion grading studies.



That is what the MRI is all about, FUSION! You can see that up to 19years the bone can still start to fuse at that age(in fact up to 20 sometimes due to improper diets in Africa/Asia). I do not know why you like arguing what you are not sure of. MRI is used to detect FUSION not BONE FORMATION, I am not a radiographer but I know that well enough

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2465138/

goldfish80:
I know MRI can be cheated organically with intake of lots of fruits, especially oranges. I will really struggle to give credibility the the age of some of these players simply because they "passed MRI scan".

I saw the argument some pages back about people who finished secondary school at 14. I laughed, because most these people who finished at that age had the luxury of attending private schools. It is very easy to transition from primary school to secondary school owned by the same proprietor in the process, you could skip a few classes and finish at 14 or 15.
Anyone who went the full dose of 6years in primary school, 6years in secondary school, cannot graduate from secondary school at 14.

We know these players come from very poor homes. Most of their parents are unskilled workers. I mean these talents are mostly from the ghetto if I must spell it out. How many kids from the ghetto can you really beat your chest and say they finished secondary school at 14?

The sand Castle comments I see here, could pass as pure comedy gold sometimes.

I mean that is 12years already, the assumption now is that they started primary school when they were 2years old and I was wondering the essence of nursery school, except the person's mom started attending nursery one for him when he was still in her womb

Icon4s:
Bros you still dey for that Iheanacho's age matter?

Nop, no be Iheanacho just MRI as a whole

TheGoodJoe:
There is a cylindrical plate in the wrist of U17 players. How The hell will citrus fruits put that plate when it is not there? Na wa.

I believe some of our players who failed it were within the age bracket but due to the strictness of the scan, where a player younger can fail but a player older can not pass to a high degree accuracy, the young ones who failed might be within the age bracket.

The only reason Maduabuchi Obinwa's case raised dust was because he was American born. If he was Nigerian, no one will care.

Let me put it in lay man's language, do you still grow after you turn 17? The idea behind that MRI is the fusion of the long bones, it is theoritically assumed that once you get to that age you can't grow tall again, but I repeat haven't you seen people above 17 growing perfectly well?

EEGA:
Onyekuru does not work as hard as S.Moses?

I believe that Simon Moses' 'hardworking' style of play is actually exaggerated here. There is a reason why VicMo had to go over to LWF to help Echejile, if Simon Moses was such a hardworker it wouldn't really happen.


But still he works way way harder than Onyekuru

goldfish80:
The MRI may not really be 100% accurate. You can still game the system if you know the way.
I heard you can cheat the test if you take high volume of citric acid, maybe 3 weeks to the test test date.

Players of our U17's during camping take lots of citrus to "game the system" so I heard.

There are like 5 standard ways to cheat your way through an MRI. That is why they also do drug tests before the MRI in some instances but the simple truth is that it can be cheated.


Moreover who is to say the MRI test was actually carried out? The FIFA agents right? What if they say it was carried out without actually carrying it out?

Icon4s:
You don't know Orkpekyandega? He is one of the founding fathers here o.

I recognized the name, still I couldn't grasp the point he wanted to make if any.

I said 14years is not possible, he came up and said he knew people who graduated between 15-18, and I am like for goodness sake that means none graduated at 14, what is the problem exactly!

Orkpekyandega:
Please stop arguing what you do not know. I have it on authority that a lot people graduated as far back as 2002 to 2007 withing the age bracket of 15 to 18. I graduated within this period and majority of my mates where not above 17yrs old.

who is this again? I said 14 is impossible and you are telling me they graduated between 15-18, how is that 14years kwanu? Nna eh

Kog45:
The two league are apart and d two players in question are apart,one had seen it all and d other one is just coming up.

Personally i w never go back to Ambrose coz am one d school of thought that don't believe in Martins,IK Uche recalls but Awaziem still yet to prove if he is capable in eagles colour though good games with Nantes.

Simple, his last game wasn't good. Ambrose was forming a strong partnership before he got dropped

tbaba1234:
Nantes is number 5 in the league after 9 games. Awaziem has played in most of these games. He has played in the center of defence several times.

Now see my point, Nantes has always been a midtable team even before Awaziem came into the team, he can even sit on the bench in some games. But Hibernian were in the Division2 without Ambrose, infact they won't turn up for any game if Ambrose is suspended. This is not me comparing Hibernian to Nantes, rather trying to point out that Ambrose being instrumental to their surge up the scottish table is a phenomenal achievement

Humility017:
i have to modified it....reason to be polite as much as i can even though I see those words you put up there as trash...

let me tell you...you're not an expert in this field...your opinion of football facts are mere yours...and should not think you better know than everyone else...hence no need for the engineering analogy.

regarding your question in Nantes FC.....they're currenrly occupying the 5th spot on the league table...same points wit Marseille and saint-etenne and wit even a game at hand...

let me say this....Celtic is not in same level wit Bordeaux or Montpellier and nantes have played both....

PSG I think on the 18 next month...
if PSG could humiliate Celtic that much right in their stadia before their home fans....I don't think they're better than any middle level placed team in French ligue 1

Again you still do not want to learn. I do not care about your opinion as regards to Ambrose and Awaziem, it's your opinion and should be respected. Why I said you should keep quiet was because you wanted to reduce Hibernian to a low-level, relegation contender which is false, they are 6th and they held Celtic..


PSG beat Bayern by....4? That means Bayern isn't any better than the mid table teams in the Ligue1 I guess.

Humility017:
are you alright...?
what stopping from replying my question without adding those bits of insults you wrote up there.
just in case you're not civil or polite....let this be the last time you tell me such.
because common sense should tell u the team awaziem currently play and the players he play against weekly...is miles ahead of that obtained in the Scottish league...

I saw your first reply before you modified it and wanted to ignore, but you changed it so let me make some things clear.

I can come to an engineering gathering and start saying things that are not accurate and an engineer will tell me to keep quiet that I do not know what I am saying, it is not an insult just the truth, I said keep quiet not shut up, if you took it as an insult then sorry.

Has Nantes played against PSG? Monaco? No. Has Hibernian played against Celtic? Yes. The outcome? A draw? The hero? Ambrose.

What position does Nantes currently occupy?

TheGoodJoe:
In the game against South Africa, we had Etebo, Onazi and Echiejile bombarding forward, leaving a lot of room at the back. This put a lot of pressure on Awaziem. Now, we play in a more compact fashion. Leaving less gaps than before. Although Onazi still creates that room and we still have deficiencies from Echiejile, it is not as pronounced as before.

Keep in mind our compactness in the game against Cameroon in Yaounde where we even played in a more compact fashion. The defence is no more as exposed as we were against South Africa.

In the game against Zambia we had Ndidi at RB, the same Echejile who was skinned over and over again at LB, at some point Ekong would go over to RB just to stop their attacks and Omeruo would command the 18 alone and he did well. Recall also that in that Zambia game Iwobi played and there was no cover for Echejile at all but somehow we did not notice, why? Because Echejile did a fantastic job

TheGoodJoe:
Hence it is a friendly, Sampaoli will likely experiment with Dybala and Messi. One thing I expect is the pressure on our midfield and defence. Let us see how it goes. Big task ahead for Awaziem if Rohr starts Echiejile.

Echejile is injured isn't he?

TheGoodJoe:
Awaziem suffered in the game against South Africa because of exposure. We play in a more compact fashion now and that exposure will reduce. Either with Rohr's preferred set-up or the one I suggested, a lot of detail goes into protecting the defence which gives Awaziem less exposure. Awaziem is a better candidate than Omeruo.

how do we play in a more compact fashion NOW? Omeruo's game against Zambia came a long long time before the game against SA, it can be assumed that we got even better before the SA game yet Awaziem's performace wasn't up to par. Now I don't want to go back to the idea that we don't have a team without Mikel until such a scenario happens again so I will just have to agree that Ekong-Awaziem does not work. Omeruo-Awaziem would be a lot better

TheGoodJoe:
I see Sampaoli sorting out the Dybala - Messi Partnership too. A lot on their success hinges on it. He has sorted Messi's issue by getting the team to work harder off the ball and reduce the pressure on Messi getting the team to play well.

Dybala is the last piece of the puzzle and then they have a title contending squad.

He is probably going to play a 3-4-3 against us and it is a shame really because we can't exploit it. Our forwards are not the fastest forwards ever and none of our forwards can bully Mascherano. Let's wait for the game though

TheGoodJoe:
I do not think Leon Balogun will make it. Certainly, I see Awaziem filling that spot. Apart from that, much the same. However, not my preference at all. I would have preferred a compact defence/midfield set-up with a free attacking forward line.

https://img.startingeleven.co.uk/usr/a/59eb0699c228f.jpg

With Mikel Obi and Ndidi staying compact with the defence. The full backs, Aina and Shehu will offer support going forward one at a time but in a limited fashion to reduce the gaps on the flanks and also help keep the defensive midfield area compact.

This would have been my preferred approach. No Onazi because the role calls for serious discipline of the defensive midfielders.

Ekong-Awaziem combo does not work. Don't get me wrong Awazeim is a brilliant player but since we already know that Ekong will start I do not think Awaziem should start. You can compare Ekong-Omeruo combo to Ekong-Awaziem combo in the games against Zambia and South Africa. Omeruo might not be the best but he combines better with Ekong and this is Argentina, we are definetly going to conceed goals against them but let's keep it down

TheGoodJoe:
I will like to praise the NFF for their bold step in organizing this game. It shows we are ready to make strides to improve and I hope we have more high profile games after this.

I doubt Rohr will give it a go and so expect the same set-up we used against Zambia.

People think Argentina is poor because of their challenging run in the qualifiers. However, I see different. They are coached by Sampaoli who coached Chile in the last World Cup and Copa America.

His system requires adjusting and I feel that was what held the Argentines back. With their last performance, it shows they are getting to understand the system and I see an upward trajectory in the performance index of the Argentines.

We are going to meet a tough Argentine team that will test us. They will come at us with full intensity. We can contain them but the game is titled towards the Argentines.

the problem they had was that they fielded too many players that occupied the same position. In most of their games they lacked cohesion, Dybala and Messi would be doing virtually the same thing forcing one of them to just stand and watch, Di Maria was played as an out and out winger thus reducing his impact, but ever since Sampaoli came in things have changed. People who did not watch those matches will point at the scoreline forgetting that Argentina had 7good chances to score in each of those games and now that Argentina are getting Messi closer to the box and allowing Di Maria to roam maybe with Aguero or Icardi or Higuain as the point man it spells doom for opponents. If they can somehow find a way to add Dybala to this system(highly unlikely but you never know with Sampaoli) it would be a wrecking machine. I see a repeat of Argentina vs Germany in the world cup final

Kog45:
Hibernian?

Yes, the scottish club

Humility017:
and where is Hibernian currently in the Scottish league table....?
you talk as if Ambrose will command a starting shirt in Nantes...Fc

they are currently 6th in their league, they just came back from relegation and are in the 6th position, next time if you don't know about something kindly keep quiet

Humility017:
did you just write Ambrose...?
please spare me that....let uche Agbo or awaziem replace him...

Are they better than Ambrose currently? Ambrose is the best player at Hibernian

Wow. I really can't believe we have such a friendly. I heard somewhere that Mikel will sit out that Algeria game, I pray it's true so we can see Rohr's team without Mikel, Balogun and VicMo.

Then for the friendly, I will not say anything concerning tactics or anything until november 14, we are talking 3-4 weeks from now, let's see what Rohr brings to the table

TheGoodJoe:
He can talk about what he knows but not belittle what he does not know.

well you belittle Azeez's pace etc etc, nothing different there

komekn:
That's being presumptuous to a fault.

You have become a mind reader too.

Lol

I don't complain too much about it because we share the same ideology. You can start a debate about the NPFL, I will keep quiet because I don't know too much about it, but when it comes to La Liga/Segunda and even Segunda2 I will jump in and defend their quality. I guess that's the same ideology you employ, you only talk about what you know

Joebie:
Tammy is that kind of striker as well.. Tammy or Onuachu? lol

Onuachu easily, I don't, no I NEVER beg people when I can manage on my own