₦airaland Forum

jln115:
Yes no doubt we will replace them, but I seriously doubt it will be within the next 5 years...besides Denels new truck still needs more developing, testing ect ect so even it won't be available for at least 3 years.

africaken254:
does india have a presence on AAD 2016 expo,i would presume they would have also displayed their HAL Tejas jet

ssaengine:
http://www.janes.com/article/63771/denel-developing-cheetah-c-ram-missile

Denel Dynamics - Cheetah C-Ram missile

https://www.janes.com/images/assets/771/63771/p1691502.jpg

Rheinmetall to develop a missile that will be integrated with the Skyshield system to give it a counter rocket, artillery, and mortar (C-RAM) capability, it was announced during the Africa Aerospace and Defence (AAD) show held in South Africa 14-18 September.

"The concept was born out of two factors: one it is a business opportunity that we have identified and secondly to counter a threat that has emerged in the [African] continent. The South African defence force has been deployed on peacekeeping missions and we realised that they are under threat from mortars and artillery at relatively close range, so we needed a quick way of protecting our soldiers," Tsepo Monaheng, the chief executive officer of Denel Dynamics told IHS Jane's .

http://www.janes.com/article/63800/super-quick-c-ram-missile-aad16d2

"The Cheetah C-RAM missile system is seamlessly integrated into the Oerlikon Skyshield for a very powerful, layered air defence system, comprising a command post, one Skyshield sensor unit, two Oerlikon twin guns and up to two Cheetah missile launchers containing up to 60 missiles each. The system has a high level of automation and requires only a handful of operators for deployment. It provides area protection for forward bases at a 2.5km radius and can engage targets at a range of up to 6km."

olapluto:
Those 4 BHTs KIA in Jororo look like BH SF. I am tempted to think they were on an advancing mission.

ssaengine:
Denel Vehicle Systems "Africa Truck". Thought of as the potential replacement of our old Samil Trucks. It's fair to say that the South African
defence industry is still alive and kicking. Chief of the SANDF had cancelled a tender for international bidders to replace the
Samils, and asked Denel, CSIR and Armscor to come up with a locally developed prototype. (Rough summary of what happened)

https://www.janes.com/images/assets/746/63746/p1685941.jpg

Samil Truck

https://previews.123rf.com/images/dpreezg/dpreezg1405/dpreezg140500063/27950793-BLOEMFONTEIN-SOUTH-AFRICA-February-2014-The-Armed-Forces-parade-the-streets-of-Bloemfontein-on-Febru-Stock-Photo.jpg

LTGEN:
The Mbombe 8×8 appears to be one of the highlights of the Show,how practical is this in a Nigerian setting?.I am impressed by it's speed for such a beast to do over 100km/hr carrying that weight.
Does anyone know specifically what systems the CAS was focusing on?

bidexiii:
ON THE WATCHOUT..........

Henry240:
I hope they don't just check it out. We are so found of attending defence expo's and checking things out, without buying.

jakeporeshenko:
Nigerian army officials checking out the Mbombe 8 6x6 APC/IFV at AAD 2016, the chief of air staff I also present at the event.

Zainey338:
Hello every one, how are you?

nemesis2u:


i just have a simple query for u and andrewza

why would i have TVC installed in my fighter jets in-spite of the penalties of weight , maintenance , cost ?

i know 2 countries who employ hundreds of TVC equipped aircraft's , now why would they do that ?
for airshow 20-30 TVC equipped aircraft's are enough.

combat maneuvers and tactics run by a fighter aircraft are one of the most closely guarded secrets of an airforce , not shared even with closest allies .

frumentius:
Good lord! Have I just persuaded you? BTW, I agree with you that Hornets are not optimal for direct action. But they pack enough punch to defend themselves. As proven in Bangui. Though, really, we should'nt have been utilising them in that scenario. They still performed suberbly: whilst taking fire 6 Hornets, their 12.7mm, 20mm, MLRS and 35 operators held off almost 2000 Seleka and 15 technicals with dushkas for almost 8 hours. Besides the point: SF are a strategic asset and should never fight like infantry; represents a strategic failure as far as our military and doctrine is concerned. Which then brings up another question:

If, as our latest defence review proposes, our parabats are to play a supplementary SOF/direct action role to SF, what vehicle is appropriate? Something like the REVA FAV would do nicely, much like the abandoned Jakkals used to.
Come to think, STTEP somewhat did the same with your 72 MSF. Conceive it as a direct action unit that is.
Though I'm now getting reports that momentum has not been maintained .\What

Pic 1 - 3: Jakkals in Para and para-rescue (7 med battalion) service;

Pic 4: Reva FAV.

frumentius:
With good reason, for E&E. Prior to FIB deployment, we studied Ugandan, Zimbo, Namib, Angolan, Rwandese, Burundian, Sudanese and Chadian (don't ask me how we got them ) reports on their adventures in the DRC. A stand out for me was Lt. Enslin's E&E efforts when his Hawk was short down, and earned the Bronze Cross of Zimbabwe Medal for his tribulations. 21 at the time, and the 3rd Zim pilot to be shot down, the Rwandese shot him down at 1000 feet in his Hawk and he E&E'd for 5 days, because he didn't have the proper equipment. Through the jungle he maneuvered, and we in SA learned some lessons. Our Rooivalk pilots are accordingly equipped for lessons learned in earlier in Angola, Zim, insurgencies in the SADC region and the jungle warfare in the DRC.

Enslin now works as a senior officer instructing the Saudi Air Force.
For the Zim cousins: @ngaduh et al: does the famed Zim Air Force Jungle Dustbin Trophy continue? Last I heard, then Lt. Midnight, now OC commanding our 2nd Squadron won it when last we went up to your neck of the woods.


P.S. For those who don't know what the "Dustbin Trophy" is:

Seened:
Libyan Sirte campaign against ISIS

frumentius:
With good reason, for E&E. Prior to FIB deployment, we studied Ugandan, Zimbo, Namib, Angolan, Rwandese, Burundian, Sudanese and Chadian (don't ask me how we got them ) reports on their adventures in the DRC. A stand out for me was Lt. Enslin's E&E efforts when his Hawk was short down, and earned the Bronze Cross of Zimbabwe Medal for his tribulations. 21 at the time, and the 3rd Zim pilot to be shot down, the Rwandese shot him down at 1000 feet in his Hawk and he E&E'd for 5 days, because he didn't have the proper equipment. Through the jungle he maneuvered, and we in SA learned some lessons. Our Rooivalk pilots are accordingly equipped for lessons learned in earlier in Angola, Zim, insurgencies in the SADC region and the jungle warfare in the DRC.

Enslin now works as a senior officer instructing the Saudi Air Force.
For the Zim cousins: @ngaduh et al: does the famed Zim Air Force Jungle Dustbin Trophy continue? Last I heard, then Lt. Midnight, now OC commanding our 2nd Squadron won it when last we went up to your neck of the woods.


P.S. For those who don't know what the "Dustbin Trophy" is:

ViceAdmiral:
Wait so SAPS has a counter assault unit,a TRT and the Special Task Force right? whats the difference between TRT, task force and counter assault unit in their employment?

ViceAdmiral:
ouk

andrewza:
2 Inundu pods on a cheetah. Makes me wonder if they where doing high speeds trials.

africaken254:
IGAD summit is still underway.hope for the best

gees9:
Sounds like quite the logistical feat! All flossies or some private Ilyushins? Are these other nations comfortable outsourcing their security to SASF in that manner? Have PPU stopped their continental hubris of recent years? Was an incident in Ivory Coast where they transported pretty much the entire local convoy and had an overt dress code: police BDUs, R5s, UMPs etc. Was really embarrassing to watch and I know the SASFB are a different breed, but incidents like that dent our image continentally. Awesome photos btw. On the CSIR pod I don't know anything further, just saw it on a regular local defence commentator's feed. You're gonna have to help us out!

ViceAdmiral:
I bet 10 internets that you'll get reprimanded for posting deployment figures of the SASF

frumentius:
With current global economic conditions, DoD and Denel are at best overly optimistic or at worst naive. Now that they've come out publicly, I can confirm that an upgrade of the current MK1 to MK1.1 has been approved, within the next 5 years. The upgrades include sights and targeting sytems, work on the cannon, acquisition and integration of the FZ275 LGR : Semi-Active Laser (SAL) Guided Rocket (successfully tested on the Rooivalk last October and therefore Denel won't start integration work from scratch), improved payload and somework on the pylons, and better survivability etc.

ActivateKruger:
Mmmh, isn't that the South African Special Forces Brigade? The green uniform with brown boots...

nemesis2u:
lol indian fighter aircraft acquisition is the hardest to keep track/make sense of

LWF (light weight fighter)
1.F-16I or Gripen E/F
2.LSA (light stealth aircraft) 5th gen
3.LCA MK1A

MWF (medium weight fighter)
1.Rafale
2.AMCA 5th gen

HWF (heavy weight fighter)
1.FGFA 5th gen
2.Super SU 30 MKI

the entry of this LSA (light stealth aircraft) is interesting , never heard of it before but whispers are being heard , it seems the MOD is interested enough to give it a serious look , after the Rafale deal is signed , i think basically the Indians will look to leverage the TOT accompanying the Rafale deal , into this LSA. LSA is designed as an long range escort fighter with capability to perform SEAD/DEAD deep inside enemy territory. It is supposedly derived from two well proven aircraft types which have been extensively used in India. though lets see if this makes any head way or it is pure speculation.

wonder if the LSA will look anything like this , it is a fan based rendering of stealth LCA

anyways i will say one thing, Indians surely have the craziest procurement/development fighter programmes in the world.and as slow as a tortoise.

patches689:
L-15 or Hawk

Which do you pick?

Two very different planes designed for the same role.

andrewza:
Not sure about MOPL but STF have access to helicopters, APC, Boats in short any thing any special forces unit has access to they have access to. In the 70s and 80s there was Koevoet a police unit created to deal with heavily armed terrorists I don't see why Nigeria has not created a police unit to deal with theses guys.




Koevoet and yes they cops not miltary
https://66.media.tumblr.com/73110efd4bb15d3bd8e31b249173927d/tumblr_n0i3xecWyD1rcoy9ro1_1280.jpg
https://67.media.tumblr.com/0af45d69ed52d1c0f05fbd6cdad993ea/tumblr_n0i4k2rzJn1rcoy9ro1_1280.jpg

frumentius:
Bad guys have been known to surrender when they hear STF is on the way.
The FBI HRT head was here before the World Cup and given a briefing on the security preps and the units involved. When told of the STF's Selection and training regimen, he asked, "And this is a police unit?"