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Odunayaw:
There is an office for procurement under our MoD
efficiency?? I do not know

Agency.

Henry240:
It is not the job of the military to develop equipment. The job of the military is to fight, what the Air Force and Navy are doing with military production is actually wrong.


In more advanced societies, the military doesn't build. They only provide specifications to the defence industry as to the sort of equipment they require.


The ARA MRAP developed by Proforce is the sort of relationship the military and Industry should have. After an equipment is produced, a couple units are sent to the military for state tests, actually using it in the field, modifications are done and an order is placed.

Isn't it the result of not having a procurement agency for your MoD.


Civilians will extract business benefits from deals.

africaken254:
KAGAME !!?? he is a million time better than your zuma. i can see your out of touch,with current events in Africa .

Not necessarily.


Remember when he threatened Kikwete at height of the M23 in the DRC?

He even threatened a Twitter user.

tdayof:
I think your missile will also find it hard getting lock on a stealth aircraft as its guidance system will get a feint signal most especially during a maneuver.

Who's missile?

The Europeans now have better SRAAMs and BVRAAMs( IRIS-T and Meteor).

tdayof:
The most lethal aircraft on earth for now.

With one of the not so lethal missile available on earth.

africaken254:
off topic

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaMSb_7_3cM&feature=youtu.be

Wouldn't be surprised.

A modified anti-tank can also be considered.

bidexiii:
GOT THESE FROM SOME WHERE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT IT...?

Cold war era urban legend.


That the Russians(spetnatz) sent the behe..aded head of the relative with his balls stuffed into his mouth.


My thought: They would be kidnapped if the opportunity represented it's self. This is just propaganda by internet warriors.

bidexiii:
It's like soldiers captured by Al shabaab from AMISOM are being radicalized , a propaganda video released of a Uganda soldier was keeping his beard's now another Kenya soldier too.

And also they are looking well kept and fresh,they don't look like captive's of terrorists. If it is BHT dem go know is DEVIL dey REAL......

Not really.


Convert or face exec...ution. You can also see some groups in the middle imposing such on their prisoners and the US soldier grew a beard too.


They'll be prepared to look that way for propaganda purposes. To produce better material like the Iraqi group.

BH is trying the I.....S way.

Henry240:
You can contact Air headquarters, all your questions would be answered.

Is that an airliner or ....?

gees9:
That comment is wholly uncalled for! These very things happen here in South Africa, in fact I see civilians wearing military gear often. So I suppose South Africa itself is a dodgy African country, please let's refrain from name-calling my fellow South Africans, it is unbecoming. Jacob Zuma wouldn't deserve to be president of Syria so let's stop the pretence of South Africa being some perfect El Dorado. I'm really sorry to my fellow Africans, there are prejudices we Saffers must unlearn.

You can wear any pattern besides the soldier 2000. Like many associations and rangers do.


No civilians wear uniform.

Don't involve politics.

bidexiii:
Yeah grape & tangerine.

You would av at least watch the video b4 bluffing, must u just type nonsense.

There main reason they start kidnapping people was to raise funds via ransoms.


Al what what groups aligned almost all around the world from the Phillipines, Middle east etc have negotiated for ransoms.


Like I said better dev..il.

bidexiii:
Yeap you did not watch the video.

And am of the strong opinion if the goverment of Uganda is willing to negotiate. Try and watch a video before you comment about about it.

The POW has spent over a year being held captive, how can you believe the terrorist group even if his alive and the goverment is willing to negotiate, the jodanian pilot is a very good example.

Lemons and oranges.

bidexiii:
I pray he will still be alive . I hate to see these kind of propaganda video by terrorist.

He might be spared anyway Al shabaab is not has brutal like BH/ISIS...?

Better dev..il.

If a ransom is paid. They are desperate for cash. Reason they started kidnappings.

Al what what aligned groups have negotiated for ransoms before.

Didn't watch the video.

africaken254:
are the rumours that namibia air force pilots are training to fly J-10 jets in china true ?

Yup.


People will learn to follow this thread.


Hawk : Interesting load.

africaken254:
UPDAF SU-30MK2 jets ,the most lethal fighter jet flying the african air space

The Algerian versions are more advanced.

OFF-Topic: Looks like Syrian troops are zapping rebels in Allepo.

NighttWalker:
Battlefield photos

Are this old pictures or is Nigeria still losing vehicles to BH?

gees9:
This happens in South Africa too, I remember Lindiwe Sisulu wearing a navy commander's uniform and i have seen numerous police minister's in Special Task Force uniform

Honourable Colonels?

Military trained.

Henry240:
Is the A-Darter ready for the Gripen yet? ...... NO. It's all based on the current negotiations Denel has had with PAC and SAAB.
The meteor is a European missile, the PL-10 is a Chinese missile and the JF-17 is a Chinese plane.

The JF-17 carries the SD-10 and can fire the PL-15.


Again, it is clear who is getting value for money.

Ready.

Inaccurate! In diplomatic language.

Show us the PL-10!

In terms of weapon system again the Gripen still carries better.

Air to air and air to ground.

Henry240:
You are right. I do get what i pay for. So let's compare what i pay for against what you pay for.

Non..sense!

Like when was the A-Darter and PL-10 intergrated on the JF-17. The aircraft has no 5th Gen WVR missiles.

The Gripen carries superior weaponry. Meteor, IRIS-T, A-Darter, Small diameter bomb etc.

Henry240:
If the SAAF is starved off funds, how do you suppose Botswana is going to maintain her incoming Gripen.


Not true. The Gripen is a decent Aircrafts, but Fighters such as the F-16 Block 52 are significantly better than the Gripen. Capabilities of the Gripen put is just ahead of F-16 Block 40 aircrafts.


LCA, JF-17 and FA-50 are all new, however on paper, there capabilities and that of the Gripen are the same. LCA MK 2 comes with an AESA radar is ahead of the Gripen C/D, i only won't rate it because it isn't in production yet.

The don't have an air force yet.

The fact SAAF is starved of funds doesn't mean others will face the same problem. As we calculate and have different SOPs.

Only comparable to advanced versions of the F16.

Yes, on paper.

Lower speeds and rated at 8g. The LCA can't be compared to advanced versions of the F16 or the Gripen.

Henry240:
The Gripen is an average plane. It is not a top-of-the-line fighter. The Rand report praises the recon ability of the Gripen, stating the Swedes performed 30% of all Recon flights in Libya. This is commendable, however every plane with a decent Targeting Pod can do this. SAAF Gripens carry the Carl Zieus Pod, there are tons of other Pods in the market which are just as good. Aselpod, Sniper, Thales pod are some of the best in the market.


The Americans using F/A-18s, French Rafales and British Tornados had already wrecked whatever was left of Libyan Air Defences. Infact Air Defences in Libya were virtually non-existent. You cannot claim EW prowess in an environment were no credible defences are present.

Go read the RAND report. The Swedish experience chapter.

SAAF Gripen are also equipped with the Thales Digital koint reconnaissance pod.


Air surveillance isn't about taking pictures.


There's a reason some new fighters carry EW pods.


The Griffon has sharp EW teeth.

Henry240:
That the Gripen is cheap to maintain is an illusion. Having studied South-African Gripen maintenance of her Gripen, i can say they aren't cheap to maintain.


The Gripen is a light weight fighter, in the same class as the JF-17, FA-50 and LCA. The F-16, J-10 and Super-Hornet are medium weight. The SU-30 is a heavy weight fighter, same class as the F-15, Rafale and Eurofighter.


It's only decent we compare with fighters with comparable class.

Your opinion is based on the fat that SAAF is starved of funds.

The maintaining them is cheap. Only advanced versions of the F16 are comparable to the Griffon.

LCA, JF-17, FA-50 etc are still new.

Henry240:
The people who are buying the Gripen have no choice, other than to go for an average fighter which is very expensive, and is leveraging on the high cost of the Eurofighte, Super-Hornet and Rafale.


Czech republic = NATO member

Hungary = NATO member

South-Africa = Traditionally doesn't buy non-western equipment.

Go read the RAND report on the application of air power in Libya.

The Swedish chapter.

The Griffon isn't average. It has sharp EW teeth.

giles14:
u pple should keep on deceiving n fooling urslfs

Enlighten us if you think you know something different.


1. SA and Israel had exchange programmes like fighter pilots.

giles14:
u dey mind d RSA's ,dey think n see d Chinese as technology thieves,forgetting dat most of those their acclaimed weapon were developed and transferred to dem by Israel during d apartheid era

Not necessarily.


Mostly of our 70s and 80s era weapon systems originated from CSIR researches. Vehicles, missiles and EW.

patches689:
I dont like it either

It alos means we would get sh1tty chinese vessels... a crime when such lovely platforms are on offer from the private sector

There's political pressure to acquire systems from non of "our traditional suppliers".


We need another Jan Smuts or Mbeki type UK or western "friendly" president.

I'm doubtful they'll win the contract competing with international suppliers who can offer a lot of offsets. Hoping for a "French vessel".

ActivateKruger:
WTF? Is that a bee mask?

Ten internets for anyone who can identify that.

SANDF.

ViceAdmiral:
Come on your making it seem like we are claiming all of the Northern Cape ...I personally think that we don't have a claim since the Germans were the 1's that blundered on the northern bank of the Orange river thing but then those diamonds in the Orange

Very rare pic of Chute Sytems training/trained army commando divers with the Navy Marine Divers

Reason if minerals(oil) are found in within our vast ocean boarders I bet the French will have claims.

Awesome pictures. Wish your navy gets atleast three OPVs.


Saab's contract supporting our Gripen end this year. A new contract is being negotiated. Similar to the recently released Apple iOS10 aircrafts get software updates. Enabling new or allowing new functions. Saab's latest updated is being implemented on the Swedish fleet, a new support contract means SA Gripens will get the upgrade enabling usaged of the Meteor BVRAAM.

Henry240:
So we are going to see a Swazi invasion and possibly colonisation of South-Africa soon?

Hell we'd have a nice huge test range!

Namibia has land claims on South Africa too.

Anyway History time: One Swazi King in the past did capture huge areas almost the size of one province in what is today South African territory.

africaken254:
any SAM system is vulnerable,even any aircraft with the latest electronic Countermeasures

One of the reasons behind the concept of layered air defence.


Then M23 captured Praga.