Henry240: Anyway, for reference purposes, this is Turkey, a country which has over 240 F-16 Block 52+, 54 upgraded F-4 phantoms, can you please explain despite been able to deliver PGMs, Southern Turkey looks like Aleepo in Syria.
Mini-SS is neato too... just doesnt seem that the roll out is happening. I know that we are replacing the MAG's with SS-77's as they wear out... but I have yet to see any one with Mini-SS's in the regular battalions.
The SANDF doesn't have a SAW.
The SS-77 can be converted into the Mini-SS(5.56mm).
One would think they would sell like condoms in a brothrel. But for some reason they are pretty rare, maybe Singapors limited manufacturing capacity has something to do with it.
Suffice as to say, if the SANDF were to drop the R4 +50 round mag in favor of it, I would be thrilled.
While the SS-Mini is available?
I'm calling the SSA. Your unpatriotic behaviour has me thinking you are spying for some Asian country.
i was talking about the condition's that is the breeding environment that got manipulated to an certain extent , BH was not in the picture , its fore runners where , but later BH was a direct product of that environment which had gotten more vitriolic.
frumentius: Throw-back Thursday: Recces during the Angolan War.
PIC 1: Members of a team deployed hundreds of kilometers behind enemy lines in Angola inspect the wreckage of a plane that they shot down. One such team shot down five aircraft over a one week period;
PIC 2: During a typical attack four 81mm mortar Unimogs would fire from the rear over the attacking force onto the enemy base/location. This meant several bombs would be airborne before the first ones landed, requiring fine coordination between the force commander and the mortar team leader and resulting in pretty unhappy times for the enemy;
PIC 3: Members of 5RR practicing drills on their Casspir. This even included flat tyre drills. Every person had to know what to do for a range of possible events. Note the long metal object mounted at the back of the vehicle. It was the antenna for the SATnav system, the first GPS devices that became available at the time. It required an intricate process of driving in circles to get the compass calibrated and satellites captured; and
africaken254: another way to cut cost is to manufacture MK82 munitions and then buy the fuses or laser/GPS guided kit,Which we can acquire from US at halve the cost through United States Foreign Military Financing.its time i believe we become self reliant like Ethiopia,i believe this is achievable if only senior KDF command wanted
The bombs and fuses are easy to produce.
Knowing the enemy would return to the scene of battle shortly to try retrieve or assess the damage, SA AF would use unguided fused bombs as "mines". Some exploding days being dropped.
Henry24o: Airwaves battle is completely irrelevant when most Algerians are Nationalists.
Defence industry gives an edge, however it doest give victory. The Germans had the largest defence industry in world war II, that however, didn't stop a shellacking by the Russians.
I hope you get that bu air waves i meam EW.
Advanved EW capability means you are able to attack first and effectively. Majority of Algerian fighter aircraft have French electronics.
patches689: Looks like the SANDF's T5 deal is going to happen.
Seems it was financed by the sale of 6 units of G6 Rhino from SANDF stocks.
Will be a very neat acquisition and will give our air-mobile units a big boost.
Best thing is that it has 5(?) round simultanious hit on targets under 30km, meaning one gun can fire 5(?) shells on different trajectories and have them all hit the target at the same time... meaning a battery of 6 guns could land 30 shells on target simultaneously.
Too heavy and huge to be of great use by light forces.
I'd be celebrating if it was the G7 105mm howitzer.
Let us hope battery numbers will be increased to 8 guns per battery with defence review implementation.
Henry240: NATO did not go to war with France in Mali, only a select few countries provided logistical and ISR support to the French.
In the CAR, Nato did not also go to war with the French. Tailor making the argument was primarily what i said in my original response.
Any French war planner would have to consider the escalatory potential of any military action against Algeria.”
Bean Counting Makes Absolutely No Sense.
the idea of making tallies of the number of men, main battle tanks, armored personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, combat aircraft, artillery pieces, bombers, missiles, surface ships, submarines, etc. presented by each side in a chart as you have done is irrelevant to reality.
The reality is that such bean counting means absolutely and strictly nothing.
What part of the French military would be immediately available to the French commanders in case of a war with Algeria?
-b) On how many reinforcements could this force count and how soon could they get there? Keep in mind that tanks, bombers, soldiers and artillery do not fight separately – they fight together in what is logically called “combined arms” battles. So even if the French could get X number of soldiers to location A, if they don’t have all the other combined arms components to support them in combat they are just an easy target. Furthermore, any fighting force will require a major logistics/supply effort. It is all very well to get aircraft X to location A, but if its missiles, maintenance equipment and specialists are not there to help, they are useless.
Armored forces are notorious for expending a huge amount of petroleum, oil and lubricants, will the Algerians allow the French to setup and launch attacks in Chad, Niger or Mali, it simply won't happen.
With mobile units of S-300, Panstir all incoming missiles would be effectively neutralised. The French simply cannot achieve air dominance over Algeria, as the number of Rafales doing flights to Algeria would be limited. So how are they going to achieve air superiority against an enemy fighting at home.
Henry240: You do know Chkil is Algerian right, hence a different threat assessment from what from the Nigerian POV?
The Algerian military fields the S-300, Pantsir S2 and ground based anti-air artillery /Manpads, including top of the line Air superiority fighters. They possess a significant envelope of air deterrent to scare away countries like France, Italy and any possible air based threat in their region.
The Algerians are no Libyans or Iraqis, they know how to fight, they are quite good at it.
Henry no country in Africa can handle the French or any NATO nation as they come with American support. You saw when they deployed to Mali and had difficulties with air transport.
patches689: Iraq wasnt embargoed before the first Gulf War... infact the whole world gave generously to help them fight Iran
With synthetic apeture radar, long range drones and signals intercepts they will have a pretty good idea.
Remeber the number 1 rule for radar operators: If you can see them, they can see you
Pantsyr is about as big as would make sense in S.S Africa, because it is a tactical and not strategic weapon. Anything bigger will be a waste of time and money. Frankly, if Nigeria gets JF-17's it will dominate the region for the foreseeable future.
bidexiii: Most of these guys av being kicking BHT since 2013/2014. For a country seriously battling insurgency i think the number is way too small. .........they are just getting CION UPDATE.
africaken254: are you trying to tell us before south entered angola ,there was no UNITA ! so for how long did you plan to be involved in this border war with cubans and russians shipping weapons and equipment to Angola !just saw a documentary where a former south africa commander said they used to know the Angolans and Cubans positions ,american could bomb hanoi but the losses on their side were devastating.
1. UNITA alongside MPLA where fighting the Portuguese. After independence MPLA allowed many liberation movements from SA to Zimbabwe to set up bases in the country.
2. Apartheid South Africa supported UNITA to create a buffer between it's self and her enemies.
3. UNITA never had the capability to hold massive parts of the country alone.
(A) Remember: Captured territory was handed to UNITA.
4. The fight wasn't stationary. The special forces during the Op Hooper where often deployed to shadow certain units.
Nigerdeltaboi: lol , but the rigors of Nigerian basic military training alone can qualify for special forces training in some countries.my NMS training alone can make me badass in some countries.
"Some countries" have militias not professional armed forces.
africaken254: from a military point of view Luanda was of strategic importance as was hanoi was during the vietnam,probably south africa air force lacked the capability to strike Luanda.this is reasons in my opinion which contributed to angolan and cuban air defence system being less effective, 1. south africa was being provide help by the americans thus likely were provided with satellite photos of SAM sites,also UNITA and south african special op were constantly monitoring angolan and cuban movement in southern angolan 2.also due to constant ambush attacks by UNITA rebels and south africa special ops in southern angola, the angolans and cubans couldn't move freely ,SAM Unit couldn't operate discretely thus requiring several Regiments of armored unit for protection
1. What strategic importance? Yes, to UNITA not South Africa.
(A) From Southern Angola the SAAF's bombers had the range to reach Luanda.
(b) When territory was captured it was handed to UNITA.
2. What air defence system? You mean their air defence units?
3. Angolan units could move free. Detection of battalion size units was even a headache for SA.
Regiment what ? Update your info on how FAPLA units where structured.
bidexiii: Security: NAF Graduates 209 Special Forces, Says Abubakar
The Chief of Air Staff (CAS), Air Marshal, Sadiq Abubakar, on Saturday said 209 special force officers graduated from Regiment Training Centre ,NAF Base in Kaduna.
Abubakar said this during the combined graduation ceremony of Basic Regiment Officers Course (BROOC9/2016); Basic Regiment Airmen Course (BRAC21/2016); Riggers’ Course 1/2016 and Repellers’ Course 3/2016 at the centre.
The CAS, who was the Special Guest of honor, said that he remained resolute in laying an enduring foundation on which future generation would continue to build upon.
“This no doubt demonstrates our unwavering commitment and determination to build equip and sustain a force that is efficient, effective and highly mobile and capable of an immediate and timely response to our security challenge anywhere in the country and the sub-region.
“The brilliant demonstration by the repellers, the impressive performance of the paratroopers and expertise demonstrated in weapon handling today also underscore the high quality of training offered in the centre to the NAF in particular and the Armed Forces of Nigeria in general.”
Abubakar also said that “only a couple a weeks ago, the centre graduated reppellers for the Nigeria Navy.”
He said that this was a clear indication of the Armed Forces of Nigeria resolve to build “capacities in defence of our dear country.”
Abubakar also said it was a manifestation of his vision in the service which centres on “inter-service cooperation“.
He said that the partnership between the NAF and the British Military Advisory Training team (BMATT) had been quite tremendous.
“We look forward to greater collaboration with them in others areas,” Abubakar said.
The Commandant, Regiment Training Centre, Air Commodore Danladi Bausa, said in the course of the training the students were exposed to both theoretical and practical training.
Nausea said that the students were trained on force protection, weapon handling system and live shooting at range.
He said to further broaden their knowledge, the students embarked on tour to the Nigerian Army School of Infantry (NASI), Jaji; Nigerian Army School of Artillery (NASA) and other important security formations.
He said that this was done for practical knowledge of weapons and operations of these institutions.
“It has been indeed a challenging period for the centre but I assure you, we are willing, able and ready to train smart regiment personnel who can achieve impossibilities .
209 special forces?
The officers who wrote the training and selection manuals must face the firing squad.
africaken254: you want to tell us you never ever had losses !did the south africa air force ever carry out strategic bombing campaign targeting Luanda or was it just air support you offered
Like any war both sides suffered casualties.
If you can answer why SA was in Angola then you'll know why that didn't happen.
africaken254: On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers and i also remember reading the account of a south african soldier whose comrades were killed when a mig-23 dropped a 500kg Bomb close to their ratel .Killing several of them and destroying ratel,How then did you have air superiority over the cubans and angolans air forces.if they still causes on your side until the end of the war !
Their air to ground attacks were ineffective. Mostly speculative.
The are many times when SA vehicles had bombs dropped close to them.
africaken254: you want to tell us you bombed the Angolans and Cubans until they capitulated and your air superiority was overwhelming that they never bombed your forces !
You are not answering the question!
Cuban and Angolan ground attacks were ineffective. Mostly speculative attacks.
nemesis2u: in the latest version pantsr S2 has max range of 30 km (i posted in the other thread on this system ) however depending on profile of the target being engaged ie maneuvering receding target, head on target, criss-crossing receding or head on target etc , the missile will burn up a substantial portion of its fuel while engaging it , high G maneuvers / turns takes a toll on fuel , so engagement at max range is a myth , that is why u have kill envelopes aka predefined WEZ weapons engagement zone for best kill probability where the missile still has enough kinematic energy left to engage its target successfully.
No escape zone.
Manufacturers never release that.
Max range is achieved under favourable conditions. i.e. head on interceptions.
Foreign Affairs › Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MikeCZA: 4:24pm On Jul 30, 2016
