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nemesis2u:
i was wondering can the AHEAD ammunition be adapted for ground use by helicopters and land based vehicles to take out ground targets.
https://defense-update.com/images/ahead.jpg

each projectile carries 152 sub projectiles and in air burst mode will totally create a 100 % no escape zone.

https://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/4006_4050560734.jpg
the burst of each AHEAD round covers several square feet it seems, so any massed attacks, even distributed attacks like the ones carried out by BH ISIS and al shabab can be defeated even against great odds.

https://garbahaareey.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Alshabab.jpg

thousands of sub projectiles raining down on the targets like above even in highly dispersed state will take out everything including cockroaches and moles in that area
and how many rounds u will need to fire not more than 10-20 . only priority will be to aim in the general direction (low accuracy wont matter much here due to area effect ) of the target area which needs to be sanitized .

especially will be effective at the hands of defenders or first incident responders to blunt and decimate any large scale offensive intrusion by a superior and numerically larger force.

the land attack ahead ammunition will be cheaper , and considering the anticipated way higher kill capacity and lesser rounds required the extra cost will be easily justified.

152*10=1520 sub projectiles in 10 rounds only and dont need to fire 1520 rounds lol

a good prospective anti terrorist weapon.

https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/media/editor_media/rm_defence/produktbilder/40mm_Airburst_content_small.jpg

Check out the gun on the German Boxer IFV and the BAE 57mm naval gun.

nemesis2u:
one thing worth nothing is making a air to air missile and a surface to air missile is much tougher than making an ICBM.this might surprise some but it is true , the development cycle can easily stretch to 10-15 years.

https://i30.tinypic.com/2lvh100.jpg
china and india using russian agat active seekers on their BVR air to air missile till date is a testimony to this fact.
https://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/02411/ASTRA_2411871f.jpg
astra uses agat active seeker
https://www.ausairpower.net/PLA-AF/PL-12-SD-10A-AAM-Zhenguan-Studio-1S.jpg
PL-12/SD-10, uses the seeker and other components from the Russian R-77 AMRAAM-ski


https://www.planobrazil.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Umkhonto-no-NAe-S%C3%A3o-Paulo.jpg
Operational range
20 km (12 mi)(Umkhonto-IR)
30 km (19 mi) (Umkhonto-ER-IR)
60 km (37 mi)(Umkhonto-R)
Flight altitude
8 km (5.0 mi)(Umkhonto-IR)
12 km (7.5 mi) (Umkhonto-ER-IR)
15 km (9.3 mi)(Umkhonto-R)
thats a lot of variants and good range too

by the way u said Umkhonto is not in production but the paki...tanis r talking of buying it ASAP.

The longer range version with radar seeker.

Earlier are in service with thd SA, Algerian and Finish navy.

nemesis2u:
south africa has some good missiles.
which south african sam missile has the highest range?

Not necessarily.

The Umkhonto and Marlin missiles. Though not in production nor development completed.

nemesis2u:
correct found it while browsing , seems it is the land based version with 70km range, it was test fired today, another version with booster to increase the range to 120+km is under development it seems.

what i like is the minimum engagement range of 500 meters plus capability to engage PGMs etc kind of SAM+CIWS combo.

It is that minimum engagement range that increases it's chances against high performance missiles able to reach supersonic speeds.

frumentius:
...And the REVA FAV!

Maybe one day our pathfinders will receive such a vehicle.

africaken254:
off topic:can your K9 unit dogs do this !

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azUATs1OK40

Executive protection. Not really for military or police units. The corporate world is the target market.

But I know companies in SA which offer such training to dogs.

nemesis2u:
you see african countries have the brainpower, actually every country has the brainpower, problem lies with its utilization, lack of policy, lack of a roadmap , government support etc.

to develop something from scratch is like re inventing the wheel.
best idea is to tie up with friendly countries like Russia , china , France , USA , south Korea Israel etc depending on your comfort level with any of these following countries,

for starters no need to go for something big, main aim should be to develop the human resources of your countries in the core sectors related to defense like metallurgy , semiconductor technology , composites , aeronautical technology , system integration and management , optronics etc in cooperation with the above countries.

once you have the labs and testing centers together with a well trained man power then you are well set to bargain with the countries like Russia china USA to co-develop advance weapon systems which in turn will provide you with better skills and most importantly develop productionizing capabilities. R & D for developing a weapon is a big headache, but productionizing (commercializing) and enforcing quality control is a bigger headache .

what African countries need is a staggered long term road-map and you need to stick to it no matter what, and someday you will be setting benchmarks.

a curious example is India , with LCA , ARJUN still painfully grinding on it looks like they are the stupidest people on earth.
however a closer look will tell you a different story.
the infrastructure and R & D labs and trained manpower they built up due to these never ending projects has started to bear fruits albeit in small amounts for now.
they are now in a position to demand equal participation and develop relevant technologies according to their own needs and terms in close cooperation with other advance countries, and not just end up in a buyer seller relationship.

it might surprise you all that Russia and France are competing to provide technology for Indian SSN.
why ? because India has a working indigenous baby SSBN arihant (with certain Russian inputs).
so whats the point in denying technology when they might do it on their own someday.

failures will always be there but one must try, also one must have in-house technical industrial base and human resources to absorb any TOT being offered only then can one develop ones indigenous defense capability .


its time to think african, ( lets hash tag it lol )
one small step at a time towards the big step.

hope i made sense
regards.

Socio-economy and corruption.

chkil:
India and Russia have reached an agreement to launch export BrahMos missiles

India and Russia will organize delivery of BrahMos anti-ship missiles to the United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, South Africa and Chile, according to The Financial Express. Negotiations with other countries, which include the Philippines, South Korea, Algeria, Greece, Malaysia, Thailand, Egypt, Singapore, Venezuela and Bulgaria have now moved to a new level.

source : https://news.rambler.ru/business/33751038/



source : rusplt ru

Are we getting two missiles?

Henry240:
I just feel so much pity for Pakistani ships and surface vessels.


No weapon is perfect, but the BrahMos pushes the boundaries of perfection.

Don't mention that country or else we'll have a flood of people in this thread telling us Paki...n's strategy is that of killing/sinking the foe's warships before they can launch the missiles with submarines.

nemesis2u:
Off-topic found this while browsing youtube


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thZy2-yCl6g

nice addition to SU 30 series fighters

supersonic 300-600km stand off munition is no joke

did some more searching and found this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNG86VSld3s

bulls eye accuracy at 1 minute and 2.25 minute
ship sunk by single hit at 2.45 minute awesome

but the missile is expensive

Seriously expensive.

I'm even surprised there's talk of us acquiring them.

Marketing. No weapon is perfect. But this is a jewel among cruise missiles.

TrueHeart365:
say hello to the keke battalion.

The Nigerian army keke stealth multi-role vehicle.

Designed to stealthy penetrate deep into territory. The vehicles are amazingly quiet, insurgents never know the men of keke battalion are close or approaching their position until the crack of assault rifles! It can also be used to rapidly deploy forward air controllers, move ammunition, casualties etc

I can't wait for these men to tell their stories in the near. I can already imagine a book name: Mamba strike: In enemy territory with the men of keke battalion.

bidexiii:
#RANDOM PICTURES

War was never a grown men business.

Henry240:
I was specifically asking about the ATV in particular and SPVs in general. ATVs, same vehicle as this or the photo i earlier posted are virtually non-existent in combat. My question is why?



Let me correct an error, parachuting is mostly carried out by N.A Airborne units. We currently have full fledged Airborne units different from elite Nigerian units.


It is rappelling/Quick insertion by helos that is mostly now carried out by Nigerian elite units. I do agree that it is only now that full spectrum S.F units are appreciated by militaries across the continent.


Which brings me to another question, are the S.F units we see across Africa actually S.F units in the mould of the SAS, Delta, SEAL, Spestnaz Alpha or are the highly mobile units in the mould of the Australian 2 Commando?

One needs to look at the battle space our forces operate in SF vehicles are stripped off armour and other unnecessary parts to save space and make the vehicle lighter. Where do we fight? long distances from home? supply bases?

The point I was trying to make was that certain capabilities are only now starting to be introduced. In SA there's regular battalion and reserve air assault battalions trained to provide the capability. While the paratroopers, SF and other elite can also provide the capability.

Yes, most of them are actual SF units. Skills are mostly obtained via PMCs. It has become a norm to see our elite forces being trained or accompanied by foreigners in ops.

Even though they might not be highly skilled or trained due to lack of resources as the American or European units you mention they can sure pass the selection of those units. And excel in any course provided.

One of the saddest event was Nigerian stopping the PMCs from operating with/helping your armed forces.

One would ask: Did they spend enough time in Nigeria groom trainers/instructors. Within which the skills which Nigeria seeked from them(PMCs) can be maintained? Or we are more likely to see those guys used as a nucleus of another unit and being trained by others before they too receive the boot. (Cycle)


SF capability similar to any core capabilities of a military such as armour, fighter aircraft etc it isn't just about having operators, pilots etc. But having a support structure in place. Trend analysts, doctors, technology(industry, advisers etc), training capability etc.

Henry240:
Can we see the Zambian vehicle?

Makes a short appearance in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dThlBJwpUpo

nganduh:
Zimbabwean used to operate these in the 90s. I remember them being kitted more like the second picture than the Rhodesian version. Not sure what they have now.

I'm not certain as to what they operate now too. But they probably have a vehicle similar to the Zambians.

Advantages(RPVs) are that they can be air lifted by helicopters or parachuted into the field along with their personnel from fixed wing aircraft.

gottfried21:
Unspecified amount of J-7/K-8 "Daredevil" Pilots
Sent to China last week for a training course on how to operate the J-10

Interesting times.

ViceAdmiral:
Why not Zimbabwe
Namibian Navy

Can they afford to even leave their bases?

ViceAdmiral:
Why not Zimbabwe
Namibian Navy

Can they afford to even leave their bases?

Henry240:
OFF TOPIC

Apart from the SANDF, i don't recall any major African military that deploys Recon vehicles for combat . Case in point the ATV, which is a rarity in the African battlespace. Special forces ATVs like the one below simply isn't used in combat. Nigeria has a few Polaris ATVs but they aren't used.


Although i'm a strong opponent of ATV and Special Forces Vehicles, as i don't see the protection they provide, i do understand they are an important asset and a force multiplier, especially when used similarly to how this "forward controller" (pictured) is using them.


My question is, why do African countries not use them(ATVs, SPVs and motor-bikes), is it a doctrinal issue or just plain ignorance?

Namibia, Botswana and Zambia special forces units are using them.

Now my answer to your question: Hope you don't find this offending or anything. But most African armed lack special forces capability and I mean the full package selection(doctors, specialist trainers etc), training, doctrine, industry etc.

Look at the recent Nigerian army exercise. Air assault is still being mostly maintained in the elite units. Compared to SA which has an entire battalion/unit specializing in air assault while the parachutes battalions and sf can also provide the capability.

The need for special forces is only being fully appreciated recently with the spike in terror on the continent. It is evident in the number of sf units popping up in African armed forces. From Somalia, Tunisia, Nigeria, Kenya etc

ViceAdmiral:
Botswana Defence Force

Me thinks you guys are the "competitors".


“The Gripen fits our requirements and could give us a certain edge over our competitors......."

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/international/mideast-africa/2016/06/15/gripens-botswana-f-5-military-equipment/85939750/

chkil:
Super Lynx Mk-140 [ASuW/ASW] Algerian Navy , they work on the MEKO 200

Extending the sensors of the ship.

ViceAdmiral:
I don't see the logic in trying to buy th Chinese humvees when we have the marrua already....when are the Marines being "inaugurated"...the president said its sometime this year in his speech at the navy

Wasn't the Marrua bought for the sf chaps?

ViceAdmiral:
I recall a media report saying the marine commando course is a year long,but then as always I don't have enough info to be definitive,but I'm sure they take other courses there after aswell....remember the 4 badges.... for the army SF check on chute systems website on courses they offer...m sure they'll all say their training is tougher

Some come to SA for selection.

Also trained...........

lionel4power:
if you read the article, you'll notice that the criterias used to rank the list includes:

i) Firepower
ii) Year of commissioning
iii) Role (e.g guided missile, multipurpose e.t.c)

Also note that NNS Thunder is not on the list but NNS Aradu was featured. If a vessel has sufficient firepower then it will be featured, if an OPV has alot of firepower over a destroyer with less firepower then the OPV will be ranked over the destroyer

In terms of fire power the P18N is lacking. Armed similar to the Warrior class strike vessels: One medium-sized naval gun(76mm+), two light guns(20-30mm) and small machine guns(12,7mm+)

I also think the Algerian and South African frigates shouldn't be bundled together.

The Algerian frigates pack powerful radars, longer range and more capable anti-ship and land attack missiles and heavier main gun. They also have offensive anti-submarine capability.

The cherry on top is the Mokopa missile equipped Lynx helicopters. Ours are equipped with only 12,7mm machine guns.

There's a gap between these vessels.

Iblawi1:
Do you have full info on the specification of those vessels? No. People only comment based on what they think it has.

Your warrior class are in the class of NNS Ayam or NNS Ekpe not NNS thunder or P18N.

I think we both appreciate the fact that both vessels lack capabilities such as anti-air and anti-ship.


Armed with medium naval gun and other secondary light guns. 20mm, 30mm etc.

lionel4power:
Well Combat Heart Blog writers had a serious debate as to which Nigerian Naval vessel should be featured in the article, but right here right now, we do not know the type of armament the Thunder has installed. The US strip the ship before handing it over to NN. If you have a good source of information about the thunder please share with us so we can update it subsequently.

NNS THUNDER CURRENT KNOWN WEAPON SYSTEM ONBOARD

Armament:
sole Otobreda 76 mm

nothing else... its hardly a warship for now

I'm kinda iffy whether Thunder and the new P18N vessel should be classified as war fighting vessels rather than patrol vessels such as the South African navy Warrior class strike vessels which have been converted to OPVs.

With limited defensive or offensive capabilities at the conventional warfare level.

jteku:
List of some NA generals retired


Maj Gen Mobolaji Koleoso
Maj. General TC Ude
Maj Gen SD Aliyu
Maj Gen LC Ilo
Maj Gen PAT Akem
Maj Gen IN Ijoma
Maj. Gen O Ejimai
Maj Gen ED Atewe
Maj. General Letam Wiwa -Younger brother of murdered Environmental Rights activist and author, Ken Saro-Wiwa
Maj. Gen FO Alli
Maj. General MY Ibrahim
Brigadier Gen D Abdusalam
Brigadier General MG Ali
Brigadier General AI Onibasa
Brigadier Gen. Mustapha Onoyiveta
Brigadier General Bright Fiboinumama
Brigadier General GO Agachi
Brigadier General Okonkwo
Brig Gen Bashir Mormoni
Brig Gen AH Sa’ad -Former ADC to late President

Unbelievable.

patches689:
South African Commander Lindile Yam

- Combat experience in Angola (Eastern Front) as a Platoon Commander
- Wounded in action in Angola
- Received Urban and Rural warfare training in East Germany
- Completed Company Commanders course in East Germany
- Returned to Angola: Acted as company and base battalion commander in Caculama, a company commander in the Northern Front, an instructor in tactics (battle handling)
- Set up a secret base in Tanzania became the Regional Commander of the Border Region.
- 1993/1994, Yam completed the Junior Command and Staff Course in Ghana
-Senior Command and Staff Course and in 2000, the Executive National Security Programme (ENSP). He also completed a course in Defence Management at the University of the Witwatersrand.
- Sent to United Kingdom (UK) Royal College of Defence Studies in 1995 for the Global Security Course.
- He has a Damelin College Diploma in Personnel and Training Management as well as an MA Degree (Kings College) from the University of London.

Combat veteran (6 years), expert in Urban and Irregular Warfare and an Academic (8 degrees). Thats our Army commander.

This is the difference between us and you. You get impressed by pretty pictures, like a child, we get impressed by qualifications and abilities - like an adult.

The deputy is an armoured warfare expert.

chkil:
our algerian army Chief of Staff , ahmed gaid salah 76 years old , very old ,

kizfaz:
I am still waiting to see the SOUTHAFRICAN Chief of Army Staff picture.... The man on the right is lt Gen Buratai... Nigerian Army COAS... #SpecialForces....

Chief of the SA army?

What's the point? I bet he's not SF qualified.

I find this chap to be a bit of a comedian.

Henry240:
They have served us really well. Hopefully the get replaced by as much as 24 units of A-29 Super-Tucanos in the light attack role.



Photo related, full glass cockpit of the A-29.

The Yak-130 would be better in my opinion.

As it would cover the whole portfolio of capabilities the Nigerian air force has in the Alpha jets. Endurance, speed, light strike etc.

lionel4power:
guys [url]combatheart.com[/url] is about to write an article on the Top 10 most powerful ships in Africa... the current contenders are
1) FREMM class frigate
2) Meko A200
3) Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate
4) Knox class frigate

those are the once we know for now... Please military badazz your input is needed... everybody is invited and you'll be named as contributors.

A bit tricky to compare.