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agaugust: South African army can only fight on dry solid lands or tarred roads

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The SA army fought anywhere from woods,swamps,jungles,deserts to bush velds

agaugust: I spoke english language and everybody else understands my meaning, except you...d.ullard

LOL. FOO.L.

agaugust: You have none in South Africa.

Nigeria is an all terrain war zone.

Mangrove swamp.

Rivers and lakes.

Ocean.

Rocks and mountains.

Bog land, mud land.

Savannah bush.

Rain forest jungle

Sahel desert.

Reason why we built a better army than South Africa's dry land only SANDF

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There's no such thing called "all terrain rough war zone". I hate it when you make up things.

zaandrew: Who said it was in the AU best intrist to remove Gaddafi. Even the west will regret it. At leat libya was stabel under him.

I'm not saying remove him. But what was I trying to put is what would the AU have done in such scenario. No clear command structure.

Henry120: We did it in liberia, sierra-leone, and in mali. It has, and will never be a problem for nigeria.

Yes or NO. Does Nigeria have the capability to deploy forces similar in formation to the French forces around you.

agaugust: That's like a tank dug in for defensive position. Armies do that a lot. That photo is not a road path.

You see the road in the video below, 99% of SANDF will be fully stuck in the mud. Soweto army is weak


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGUPPLTYdA

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SWAPO and Angola had amphibious tracked tanks and armoured fighting vehicles.

agaugust: You deploy only 4x4 vehicles for peace keeping only, and you carefully select where you drive to.

C.A.R. Bangui is a city with tarred roads, not an all terrain rough war zone
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Do you even know where the fighting took place? There's no such thing called "all terrain rough war zone".

agaugust: Nigeria deployed more than France.

Nigeria deployed 15,000 soldiers, with tanks, APCs, artillery, trucks, AAA guns, Frigates, LPD ship, corvettes, Alpha jets, C-130 Hercules, etc all 2,000 km away from Lagos, far up to Liberia/Sierra Leone and sustained them for 10 years without foreign help, because we were under international arms embargo.

That is world class force projection....Nigeria.....the strongest military in Africa second only to Egypt.

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South Africa flew bombers in Angolas that had nuclear capability. LOL!!!! Read and understand first.

zaandrew: AU.

No.

That's my problem. The UN and AU are slow to deploy. 1. What would've done in Libya,when Gaddafi announced his forces where marching to Bengazi?

agaugust: You are more blind than a street begger, let me help you....

PHOTO : THIS IS WHAT 99% OF SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY WILL BECOME IN MANY PARTS OF AFRICA AND ASIA

https://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk75/FireWire79/mudding.jpg

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This is Africa.

agaugust: SANDF has ZERO force projection beyond your local SADC region

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Question is: Does Nigeria? Cause no country in sub saharan Africa has the capability to deploy and sustain forces,such as the size deployed by France in and around Mali.

agaugust: This is Africa too, West Africa...

So? You can see even a 4X4 is moving through the mud.

zaandrew: It is called the African stand by force. It still ment to hapen some time. Problam so region is fully ready. The only region that pulled of a joint traning exersize is SADC. The UN FIB was ment to be a SADC intervenstion force.

Yep,we(SADC) couldn't fund the mission. I'm still a bit sceptical,on whether the brigades will be well used. 1.On who decides for the brigade to deploy? 2. Would they engage local government forces? ..............

agaugust: Your blind Ingwe that gets disabled by smoke

=Retreat. Opposing captures more land. You're being kicked out.

agaugust: Your Ratel IFVs with their Ingwe will be stuck inside mud with 99% of SANDF armoured vehicles.

Useless army of rubber tyres only
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This is Africa.

skullz: Hahahahahahahahahhahaha!!! ....The question should be how long can the whole of Africa hold the US off...

Yep,we simply don't have the industrial muscle to do such. Unless with massive support from both China and Russia.

ZeusAyo: that means we really need some serious planning. It would be nice if each region had something like ecomog with modified boeing aircrafts and antonovs for air mobility with bases something like NATO inshort with standing defence treaty that no matter what happens or with so-ever, members are liable by law to help each other in terms of war either conventional or unconventional and it might also be extended trade

Yes,it is still not settled who's going to be responsible for air mobility under for ASF. Regarding "help",democracy must come first.

agaugust: Ever heard about Nigerian army medical corps? A whole corps in thousands, not just a battalion....chew this and drink water after...


http://www.nigerianafcsc.org/DOCS/read/NAMC%20LECTURE.pdf

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I'm talking about units. You have no units similar to the USA air force pararesuce(PJs) or the SANDF's 7 medical battalion.

agaugust: I hate repeating posts, but....Chew on this





Nigeria's NAF has 30 combat helicopters.


2 damaged Mi-24 being repaired, 1 Mi-35 crashed but immediate replacement ordered.



6 Mi-35M Hind E (2 delivered).......................Federal Ministry Of Defence 2014/This Day Newspapers
14 Mi-24V/35P...........................................SIPRI database
10 Mi-8/Mi-171s armed terminators................SIPRI database

SOURCE :

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 2000 to 2013
Note: The ÔNo. delivered/producedÕ and the ÔYear(s) of deliveriesÕ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ÔCommentsÕ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL <http://www.sipri.org/contents/armstrad/at_data.html>. The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.
Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database
Information generated: 03 August 2014


Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments


Belarus
R: Nigeria

2 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter 2009 2010 2 Second-hand

France
R: Nigeria

5 AS-532 Cougar/AS-332 Helicopter 2010 Second-hand but modernized before delivery; status uncertain


Italy
R: Nigeria

2 A-109K Light helicopter (2000) 2001 (2) Mainly for protection of off-shore oil fields
4 A-109K Light helicopter (2002) 2004 (4) A-109E Power version

12 AW139 Helicopter 2006 2006-2009 3

12 A-109K Light helicopter (2009) 2010-2012 (6) A-109LUH version; from South African production line


Russia
R: Nigeria

10 Mi-34S/Hermit Light helicopter 1999 2001-2002 (10) For training
6 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2000) 2000 6 Probably second-hand but modernized before delivery
4 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (2002) 2003 4 Mi-171Sh armed version
3 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter 2012 Possibly second-hand but modernized or rebuilt before delivery; designation uncertain (could be Mi-17V-5 helicopter)
6 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 2012 Mi-171Sh armed version

Ukraine
R: Nigeria

2 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2007) 2008 2 Second-hand
1 Mi-24V/Hind-E Combat helicopter (2008) 2008 1 Second-hand



http://www.sipri.org/databases/armstransfers

That is about 60 helicopters in NAF on SIPRI alone for purchases from year 2000 to 2013 only. I did not add 6 units new Mi-35M Hind E, squadron of Bell Rangers, squadron of R66 Robinsons, and the 40 new helicopters from USA/Russia arriving this month.

Nigerian air force (Not counting Navy helicpoters one squadron, not counting any NAF reserves two squadrons) will have about 120 helicopters rocking the skies....Biggest force in Sub-Saharan Africa !

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SAAF has more than 70 helicopter in service. More are coming.

Henry120: Dummy.

What does a soldiers back-pack carry?........ Now relate your answer to a medic, dummy.

Ammunition,water,small first aid kit,rat packs etc. Do you know a school bag?

agaugust: "G6 propulsion system

The wheeled mine-protected chassis supplied by BAE Systems Land Systems is capable of a road speed of 85km/h and a cross country / desert speed of 30km/h. "

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/

All engines and chassis of G-6 Artillery were build in Britain and shipped imported to South Africa, Soweto does not make engines.

Gun is Canadian
Engine/Chassis is British
Tyre/Wheel is South African

No gun no artillery
No engine no vehicle


South African army will have to Fvck around with the G-6 artillery tyres only

PHOTO : G-6 RHINO ARTILLERY TYRES...PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN
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When did BAE system buy Alvis OMC? Did BAE systems operate in South africa during apartheid? NO. By 1994 the SADF had 43 G6 guns. Your lack of knowledge is shameful and embarrassing at times. South Africa was under an arms embargo.

Henry120: Nigeria interested in buying Super Tucanos

Tweet
"Nigerian Vice President Namadi Sambo expressed interest in purchasing the Super Tucano during a meeting with his Brazilian counterpart Michel Temer earlier this week. Sambo and Temer held talks on bilateral relations between Nigeria and Brazil, and ......"


Tucanos arrived nigeria this 2014.

#ShowUsTheTucano.

Henry120: They have standardised medical bags, I posted this image because I wanted to. You can not always be supplied with all the equipment you need, you don't abandon your mission because you feel you don't have the proper medical bag.

That's not a medic bag it is for your lazy special forces.

Henry120: They have standardised medical bags, I posted this image because I wanted to. You can not always be supplied with all the equipment you need, you don't abandon your mission because you feel you don't have the proper medical bag.

Rebel force. That's like saying are going to fly counter-air ops without ammunition. 1. What's a soldier what's his rifle? 2. What's a medic without his bag? 2. What's a commander without soldiers? 3. What's an artillery battery without shells?

agaugust: G-6 Artillery....

G-6 gun barrel is Canadian

G-6 engine/chassis is British

G-6 Tyre/Wheel is South African

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Denel is the OEM. Britain nor Canada have anything to do with howitzer,China imported French and others engineers whom where in South Africa to design their J-10 fighter jet.

agaugust: South Africa has HIV because South African people have it.

Canada designed G-6 artillery because a Canadian did.

Whatever good or bad you do, your country of origin in named with it.

G-5 and G-6 artillery are Canadian brain designed, and therefore they are Canadian products. Live with it

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The G5 was designed by South Africa,Denel is the OEM. The Canadian was "contracted",cause SA didn't have the technology to forge barrels back then.

agaugust: I am your master, NATO has built more 105mm guns on tanks than any 120mm...

"The Royal Ordnance L7 is the basic model of Britain's most successful tank gun. The L7 was a 105 mm L/52 rifled design by the Royal Ordnance Factories intended for use in armoured fighting vehicles, replacing the earlier 20 pounder (84 mm) found on the Centurion.[1] The L7 was so successful that it armed not only British post-war designs, but was used almost universally in "the West" as the main armament of almost every main battle tank of the period."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ordnance_L7

Mumu
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NATO main battle tanks use 120mm smooth bore guns not rifled but smooth bore.

agaugust: [size=14pt]

"The Federal Government is adding 40 attack and transport helicopters to the air force arsenal in the battle with Boko Haram.


Other sophisticated hardware have also been ordered for the armed forces by the government, according to military sources in Abuja."

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/boko-haram-fg-acquires-40-attack-helicopters-to-fight-militants/

Soweto people's high blood pressure will hit roof top this month O !

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"fairy squadron"?

Henry120: You improvise dummy. Troops don't always get all they require. So if you don't get a medical back-pack from DHQ, you won't treat a wounded colleague?

I posted that photo, expecting this sort of ignorant reply. Troops get issued with medical back packs. The complete DICON bullet-proof vest comes with pockets for medical supplies (photo posted in the past)

Refer to the post by @Augustine to see nigerian medical corps.

Rebel force.

ZeusAyo: Brainwashed!!!!! Lmao. True we can win that war if we utilize Λ lot of advanced SAMs thereby denying them aeriel access because the moment we get those fighters into the air, they would be cleaning up there pieces with Λ mop when they hit the ground And also antiship missiles surounding the entire continent( you can say it again Λ logistics nightmare). But NATO would never allow it

Heh lol Remember MH-17? The plane that was shot down in Ukraine by the BUK missile used rebels. Let that sink that all armies in sub-saharan Africa don't have such missile or capability. We have poor coastal and air defencem

patches689: Yeah I know

You can get spalling though which can knock out T72s because they store their ammo in the turret

Pretty sure the longest range tank kill was a chally 2 using HESH rounds in Iraq

Yep,if a T-72 is hit the turret blows out. Eliminating the chances of the crews to get out.

agaugust: ...to buy corn, eggs and bread to feed your soon to be retrenched soldiers.

Our soldiers don't cook that corn,eggs etc in potjies,during military operations.