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Augustine Again: .

[size=16pt]Otomat anti-ship missile, range 80km to 180km...power of the Nigerian Navy's NNS Aradu [/size]

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[size=16pt]who wants to mount a naval blockade of nigerian ocean from a near or far distance ?[/size]


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Tell your Admirals to engage SAN in an exercise,when your war ship arrive in cape town.

agaugust: no man in south africa is qualified to date not to talk of marry a nigerian woman like Tiwa...you @Mike.Za can only be her servant and get paid to polish and shine her shoes

https://www.gistus.com/gs-c/uploads/2012/02/Tiwa-Savage-on-Cover-of-OK-Magazine.jpg

Tiwa savage is ugly as hell,look at that noise hehehehehe. Come to South Africa if you wanna see beautiful people. And Oh She looks like the Nigerian prostitu..tes smoking dagga at my local park. Mike..ZA qualifies to call her k..............

na_chris_be_dis: one of the variants of bomb detonating robots produced by NAF institute of technology courtesy of beegeagle's blog.

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oya south african haters over to you

Like you Nigerians always,"Link please"!!.

2smooth2shout: i'll leave you to find out yourself since i didn't wait for you to teach me yours

Bambata or Bambatha kaMancinza (ca.
1860-1906?), also known as Mbata
Bhambatha, was a Zulu chief of the amaZondi
clan in the Colony of Natal and son of
Mancinza. He is famous for his role in an armed
rebellion in 1906 when the poll tax was raised
from a tax per hut to per head (£1 tax on all
native men older than 18 - infamously called
ukhandampondo) increasing hardship during a
severe economic depression. The Natal Police
believed Bhambatha was going to resist the tax
with force and sent about 150 men to arrest
him. Instead the police were ambushed and
four policemen killed. Thousands of colonial
troops were then sent after him, including
cavalry and heavy artillery, leading to 3,500
dead.

chris365: keep deceiving yourself.
if you are white you better go and trace your roots. you are not african

see me see oyibo dey claim SA o

If you're born in Africa. You're an African.

blackchris: rubbish.. tis shows how much you are lost in history. what will you tell your generations?

real south africans are blacks until the whites entered there and turned you to slaves for centuries and then thought they would enslave you forever. this is where Afrikaans originated from.

until 1990s blacks were never considered as south africans but slaves in their own land. go learn you history to know the true south africans.

Rubbish!!! The real South Africans are the san(hottentots) people. Bantu people come later from the north. Then came the dutch(Afrikaaners) followed by the English whom came with Indian okes to work in the sugar canes fields. And please the Afrikaaners never inslaved blacks,they(Afrikaneers) were even used as mercinaries or Allied by South African Kings.

agaugust: show me a south african man that will come near nigerian ladies like Genevieve, tiwa savage, blessing okagbare, agbani darego, etc. south afican men too ugly

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Did you just say Tiwa savage,that dark as hell chick? man,here's the thing we don't want your "sudan dark standard" chicks.

agaugust: at least your men were only good enough for a 'quickiee' 5 minute rush, your illiterate south african men are not good enough to marry nigerian women.

sure there are white anglo/afrikaaners/coloured south african born citizen women who are also street prostitutes in south africa. your indigenous women are more in number as prostitutes. less are foreigners. many international prostitutes fear to do 'business' in your HIV infested and endemic south africa.

nigerian women in south africa are foreigners, but the south african women our naija boys are s.crewing are citizens of south africa being s.crewed by naija foreigners on your homeland soil....and your men are helplessly dying of jealousy

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Nigerian women are u.gly. That's it!!!!

agaugust: https://www.geographicguide.com/pictures/maps/africa-globe.gif............................[size=16pt]best in africa part 3[/size]



the best main battle tank in africa is the T-90 MBT of the armies of Algeria and Uganda. algeria spent almost $1 billion to buy 305 units of this tank from russia.

it is surprising that some countries we think have the most modern weapons in africa are not having so much of the best.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/4110/images/139732/large/2-t90s-tank.jpg

The best? The Abrams tank(of Morocco and Egypt) can slice this thing wide open with a DU round.

GidiNaijaPikin: And what has that got to do with my own comment?

Did you hear your Olesegun,was given a boat or denied to observe the Zimbabwe elections? Ask what this comment has to do with you again LOL,I guess you're ashamed to be Nigerian.

agaugust: who cares about Mali anymore ? is it nigerians' fatherland or motherland ? is Mali a state in nigerian territory ?

do you know the meaning of the word run away ? if you dont understand english can i help you translate the word run into afrikaans ?

why should nigeria waste its time, money, equipment, and risk the lives of our soldeirs helping a country that is UN member and now get insulted by being put under command a less capable military grade Rwandan army general by the western powers ?

dominating UN ? all those american and NATO countries are a pack of arrogant colonialists who like to mess up african nations that are powerful like nigeria

since when did mali become nigerian's fatherland and motherland for us to sit down there and be insulted ?

Rwandan general to command nigerian armed forces ? Rwanda has no single jet fighter and that general has never seen a BTR-3U at home in his career talk less of a drone UAV, he never trained in israel, USA, germany, china, britain ,italy like the nigerian generals.

the rwandan man is from the same genocidal army generals league that m.urderd hundreds of thousands of people in Rwanda, and he has been known as an indisciplined officer in missions and has been punished for bad conduct.

you too can put all your south african army and air force in congo DRC under a burundi army general to be commanding you in congo DRC.

why did your south africa not go back to CAR ? why did you decide you have a right not to stay in CAR where you were not wanted ?

nigeria is not the first country to pull out of a UN intervention force for good reasons.

nigeria did not go to mali to eat up the poorer country's mineral resources the way south africa did in CAR and is doing now in congo DRC.

nigeria went to help, but if mali cannot tell UN to respect nigeria, we will leave them to their destiny.

only a fool like you will sit down in another man's house where he is giving you insults.

nigeria is not a fool that gets kicked around like south africa whose president zuma bowed down for his sons age mate obama.

nigeria knows its level in the world arena of nations, but you south africans cannot find yours


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Let me get this you claim NATO and the USA are a bunch of "arrogant colonialists",yet you're proud that your Generals are trained by this countries?. And I told you this before that the Rwandan General will give your battalion mission orders for him to execute,his not gonna be the one flying "your obsolete jets". The SANDF members under the FIB won't be commanded by a "Burundi General",the FIB will be under the command of a Tanzanian Brigadier General. Nigerian armed forces wanna "act big boy",acting like don't need help from the west. Yet you buy their used equipment,get their training,send your boys abroad for training?

Henry120: I only came out of hibernation to reply this ignorant post by @andrewza. Let me school you a little on the nigerian mission in mali.

First your claim of nigerian troops not seeing action in mali is preposterous, and signals another low for you( how low can you go really?). Even before AFISMA troops deployed to mali formally, a malian general was quoted as saying , nigerian special forces and senegalese troops were on the ground assisting their malian counterparts.

In mali, nigerian troops in full are deployed in the following regions: banamba (main nigerian base)
Diabaly
Lere
Mali-mauritania border
Timbucktu
Gao (special forces)

In timbucktu and diabaly, nigerian troops engaged terrorists multiple times in combat I've got photos showing aftermath of fighting between nigerian troops and terrorists.

In Gao, nigerian special forces had been hunting for boko-haram elements.



No general claimed boko-haram had been defeated. The group since the SOe was declared has been severely crippled, the essence sending special forces to GOA was to continue the hunt for militants who train in mali, launch attacks in nigeria and flee again to mali.

So, the COAS was correct when he said troops had been deployed to hunt down internal enemies in mali.


As regards to withdrawal, you do not deploy the largest contingent( only behind france) in-terms of men and equipment to a mission, then to have you general side-tracked.

Nigeria deployed = 1200 men ( a battalion +)
= 2 MI-35p and 1 MI-24 ( 3 helicopters)
= 4 fighter jets
= 2 C-130's
= 1 G-222
= hundreds of AFV's, APC's, gun trucks etc etc
= included ( MI-35 helicopter crews for the airforce of mali)


To have all that equipment/men handed over to a rawandan to command. No way, that's impossible. We are coming home with our equipment.

Yes,such obsolete military hardware need to be commanded by a "expert General". And do "double face mon.keys hibernate" in Nigeria,during "summer"?

andrewza: Why was mike duran not killed. Seleka was a mix matched of groups. Some displied solsders others doped up kids. He was just luky.

Seleka means "alliance" in some CAR language,it is a combination of different rebel groups.

chris365: try changing your username to Dunceza

if you have the achievements you won't even be asking this mumu question. ode

The South African Police Service Special
Task Force (SAPS STF) is the special
operations element of the South African
Police Service (SAPS).
The STF has a formidable reputation in
counterterrorism and insurgency and
hostage rescue. Unlike most civilian/police
counterterrorist units around the world, the
special task force is also trained to conduct
military special operations and has done so
on many occasions, operating with their
military counterparts, especially during the
long 30-year border war.
History
A Special Task Force demonstration at
AFB Waterkloof
After a hostage siege at the Israeli embassy
on 28 April 1975 which became known as
the Fox Street Siege the South African
government decided to establish a special
police unit to deal with situations such as
hostage situations.
In 1976 the Task force was activated. The
Task Force falls under operational control of
the Division: Operational Response Services
and is responsible for dealing with all high-
risk operations, such as hostage situations
on land, sea and air, including rescue-related
operations.
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Known Operations
25 January 1980 – The Siege of Volkskas
Bank, Silverton, Pretoria. Four terrorists,
armed with AK47 assault weapons and hand
grenades, held the Volkskas Bank in
Silverton, Pretoria under siege. They
threatened to kill the hostages if all their
demands were not met. In the ensuing
release operation, Special Task Force
members killed all the terrorists, while
hostage casualties were caused by hostile
small-arms fire and a hand grenade
explosion.
25 – 30 January 1981 – Laingsburg flood
disaster. The Special Task Force lead the
search – and rescue operations. 47 bodies
were recovered in 5 days. The Special Task
Force also rendered disaster relief assistance
to the local population.
30 July 1988 – Hostage situation-
Goedemoed prison. Using sharpened objects,
22 prisoners attacked the prison warders at
Goedemoed Prison. One of the warders failed
to escape and was taken hostage in a cell.
The hostage was stabbed twice in the neck
while one of the warders was trying to
negotiated with the prisoners. The SAPS
Special Task Force was called in to assist in
the matter. Nine members of the Special
Task Force were flown to Goedemoed Prison.
The Special Task Force freed the hostage
with the assistance of the negotiator
(warder) and the Reaction Unit of
Bloemfontein. The two prisoners who held
the warder hostage, were wounded, one of
them fatally.
14 September 1988 – The Bus Capture at
Lesotho. The Pope visited Maseru on the
above date. Four members of the Lesotho
Freedom Alliance hijacked a bus transporting
74 passengers at the British Embassy. The
SAPS Special Task Force was called in to
assist in the matter. When negotiations
failed, the terrorists began shooting at the
bystanders in the British Consulate. They
then attempted to use the bus to ram
through the embassy gates. The Special
Task Force stormed the bus, killing three
terrorists and capturing one. They disarmed
an improvised booby trap (explosive device).
17 hostages who were injured by hostile
gunfire were stabilised by Special Task Force
medics.
13 December 1989 – Body recovery at Selby
Mine, Johannesburg. Two members of the
Special Task Force assisted the Brixton
Murder and Robbery Unit in recovering a
corpse from the Selby mineshaft,
Johannesburg. The corpse was found at a
depth of 141 meters. Obstructions, bad
construction and the threat of toxic gases
created additional hazards. Two members of
the Special Task Force were individually
lowered into the shaft, but were forced to
return to the surface owing to respiratory
difficulties. One member was given oxygen
apparatus and lowered down the shaft
again. After securing the corpse to a rope,
he was hoisted to the surface. Both
members were awarded the South African
Police Cross for Bravery for their unselfish
deed.
11 January 1993 – Hostage situation in
Walmer, Port Elizabeth. A Black ex-defence
force member took a woman hostage and
held her at gunpoint. As negotiations failed,
the Special Task Force entered the building
and incapacitated the captor with 2 shots.
The hostage was not hurt.
4 July 1993 – Hijacked Fokker FU28 at Jan
Smuts International Airport. A Fokker FU28
airliner of Royal Swazi Airlines with 21
passengers on board was hijacked and
diverted to Jan Smuts Airport, near
Johannesburg. The SAPS Special Task Force
was summoned to the scene and 22
members were dispatched to the airport to
contain the situation and release the
hostages. After being informed by the
psychologist on the scene that the hijacker
was emotionally unstable and irrational and a
threat to the hostages, the Special Task
Force was given the command to recapture
the aircraft and to release the hostages. The
hijacker was wounded in the head during
the storming of the aircraft. A hostage was
wounded in the shoulder and the pilot in the
leg. No casualties were sustained by
members of the Special Task Force.
10 July 1994 – Arrest of Weapon Smugglers
at Nduma. Weapons are regularly smuggled
from Mozambique to South Africa via the
Kruger National Park which borders on
Mozambique. The Organized Crime Unit and
Firearm Tracing Unit requested the Special
Task Force to be of assistance by way of
observation duties of specified areas which
had been identified by informers as areas
which the smugglers readily use. 10
members of the Special Task Force were
deployed to the Nduma area in the Kruger
National Park where they established
observation posts. The operation was
successful and three (3) Mozambicans were
traced and arrested. The members seized 30
AK47 rifles and three (3) SAM-7 ground-to-air
missiles.
27 October 1994 – Hostage Situation and
Attempted Suicide at Telkom Offices,
Pretoria. A man armed with a firearm and
was upset about the non-payment of his
salary, entered the Telkom Distribution
offices where he worked and took a number
of people hostage. The hostage negotiators
and 21 members of the Special Task Force
were deployed to the scene. After prolonged
negotiations, all the hostages were released
but the man refused to surrender and
threatened to take his own life. The Special
Task Force were still in position and ready to
take action while the negotiations with the
man continued. While the negotiations were
taking place, the man decided, without
warning, to move to another office. The man
was overwhelmed in the passage after his
attention had been drawn by a stun grenade
and he was disarmed. Neither the man or
the people who disarmed him were injured in
the incident.
15 June 1994 – Rescue Operation Salu
Building, Pretoria. 28 members of the Special
Task Force raced to the city center to assist
with a rescue operation. A building with a
number of floors was on fire and personnel
working in the building above the floors
which were on fire, were trapped. Members
of the Special Task Force, SAPS Air Wing and
SA Air Force using helicopters rescued
people from the top of the building. Other
members used roping equipment to
evacuate the trapped people to safety. Only
a small number of people were treated for
minor burns and smoke inhalation.
1 March 1995 – Hostage Situation Bella
Vista, Johannesburg. A man took his fiancee
and her little daughter hostage after a family
dispute. The hostage negotiators and six
members of the Special Task Force were
deployed to the scene. During negotiations,
the man continually held a knife against the
throat of his fiancee and also sodomised her
in the presence of her daughter. The child
was also ill-treated by the man while his
fiancee had to watch. A tactical release of
the hostages was the only way out. One
member of the Special Task Force was
employed as a sniper and during the tactical
release of the hostages, the man was fatally
wounded. A firearm was found in the room
where the man had held the woman and
child hostage.
27 November 1995 – Kidnapping and
Hostage Situation, Vereeniging. The
Intelligence Service and CID of Secunda and
Vereeniging requested the assistance of the
Special Task Force in an operation to locate
the whereabouts of a man who had been
kidnapped and was being held hostage.
Information at hand was that the man had
been kidnapped by 3 men and was being
held hostage in a Daleside, Vereenigng
house. 9 members of the Special Task Force
were made available for the operation and
the kidnapped man was released uninjured
during a tactical release. All three men were
arrested without a single shot being fired. 5
fire-arms which had been used by the
hostage takers were seized.
6 August 1995 – Hostage Situation
Hollywood Café, Sunnyside. A man fleeing
from the SAPS on 6 August 1995, took a
woman hostage in the Hollywood Café,
Esselen Street, Sunnyside. The Special Task
Force was summoned to the scene by Radio
Control after which the hostage taker was
arrested and the hostage tactically released.
The man was found guilty of armed robbery,
kidnapping, pointing of a firearm and
possession of an unlicensed firearm.
24 to 25 February 1995 – Hostage Situation,
St Albans Prison – Port Elizabeth. 22
members of the Special Task Force were
summoned to St Alban's Prison, Port
Elizabeth where approximately 105 prisoners
had taken a prison warder as hostage.
During the night of 24 – 25 February 1995,
after prolonged negotiations the prison
warder was released after a tactical release
lasting 20 seconds. One hostage taker was
fatally wounded. One injured and the other
prisoners were arrested. The hostage was
released without injuries. Two firearms and a
M26 hand grenade were seized after the
operation.
12 August 1996 – Hostage Situation 34
Baccus Street, Irene. On 12 August 1996 a
man took a year old baby hostage at 34
Baccus Street, Irene. The Special Task Force
deployed 21 members to the scene. During
negotiations, snipers were deployed in the
vicinity. The snipers observed that the man
held the baby in front of him with a knife to
its throat all the time. The hostage taker only
moved a curtain occasionally to see what
was going on outside, but never let go of the
baby. Negotiations which had lasted a long
time did not succeed and it was decided on
a tactical release of the baby by members of
the Special Task Force. During the tactical
release, both snipers fired simultaneously,
fatally wounding the hostage taker. The
baby was safely released without any
injuries.
22 May 1997 – Hostage Situation Nando's,
Johannesburg. Three robbers trying to rob
Nando's on the corner of Cromhout and
Kimberley Streets, Johannesburg were
cornered by members of the SAPS
Johannesburg after being alerted by
members of the public. The robbers took the
employees of Nando's hostage. A gun-battle
between the robbers and the SAPS took
place during which two members of the
SAPS were wounded. 19 members of the
Special Task Force were deployed. During
the release of the hostages, the three
robbers were wounded and arrested. No
members of the public were injured.
25 June 2006 – The Jeppestown Massacre,
Jeppestown, central Johannesburg. After a
robbery, 23 robbers were followed by a
police helicopter to a safe house. 4 SAPS
members were murdered and 8 robbers
were killed in the siege before the remaining
15 gang members surrendered. Members of
the Special Task Force were deployed to
assist the SAPS in ending the siege.
10 August – 20 September 2012 – Marikana
Miners' Strike, Rustenburg. Members of the
Special Task Force were deployed to the
Lonmin owned mine in the Marikana area
after 2 police official, 2 security guards and 4
miners were murdered by striking miners
between 12 and 14 August. On 16 August,
after storming police forces with traditional
weapons and small arms, 34 miners were
shot dead by SAPS members and another 78
miners were injured. This became known as
the Marikana Massacre.
24 November 2012 – Protea Coin cash
compound, Robertsville, western
Johannesburg. At around 17:00, the Task
Force confronted a group of 20 heavily
armed cash in transit robbers in a foiled
robbery, after the robbers were cornered
and opened fire on the members of the Task
Force, they returned fire killing 7 and
wounding 9 of the robbers. None of the Task
Force members were injured in the shootout.
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Recruitment and training
Prospective members have to be at least 21
years old and must have served at least two
years in the South African Police Service. The
volunteer must also show certain personal
traits such as:
maturity
leadership skills
sound judgment.
All Task Force applicants are volunteers and
have to comply with stringent physical
requirements before being admitted to the
basic training and selection course. The
basic training course is twenty-six weeks
long and includes weapons, rural and urban
combat as well as basic parachute training
courses. Compulsory advanced courses
include special skills such as diving, VIP
protection, explosives and medical training.
The total initial training period is nine
months, but completing all the requisite
advanced courses to become a full-fledged
Special Task Force operational member may
last up to three years.[1]
Although membership of the Special Task
Force open to both male and female SAPS
members, female operatives undergo a
separate selection course"

agaugust: vanguard and beegeagle used photo of a foreign robot. i wont blame them too much, they just wanted the public to have an idea of what a bomb detonating robot looks like.

nigerian army promised to show us their own robot in public display live...some time later.

While we wait for your army,enjoy "looking" at what SA "offers".

GidiNaijaPikin: You are talking with your head right inside your butto.cks while still lying through your teeth! No country will legitimately be in need of reinforcement to combat a common enemy and be denied access/ability to land reinforcement. Had that been the case, then how did SA take up the matter using available diplomatic channels!

Please tell lies and excuses to yourselves!!

"No country" with well organised and powerful armed forces,would send its wounded soldiers abroad for treatment.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt]Nkoana Conspiracy : how seleka rebels spared the lives of south african soldiers[/size]



contrary to claims by south africans that their army killed 500, then 600, and finally adjusted figure to 800 seleka rebels, the truth if logically proved that the south africans actually surrendered or begged the seleka rebels to allow them to escape in peace to the airport to come under french army protection.

QUOTE :

"Parliament applauded South African Army medic Corporal Molatelo Aphinia Nkoana for her bravery in CAR, which was recounted by the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula.

She was confronted by the rebels who wanted to take the bags she’d retrieved. But she convinced them that she was carrying clothes left behind. She hitch hiked to the airport with French troops. "


SOURCE

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/parly-applauds-heroines-bravery

south african army did not kill any 500 or 600 or 800 seleka rebels otherwise the rebels in anger would have killed corporal Nkoana out of anger and revenge. only few rebels were killed, maybe about 100.

i had a battlefield simulation done with a retired combat soldier who has real life battlefield experience of infantry warfare, and a good knowledge of the american-somalia rebels firefight called 'blackhawk down'.

conclusion was that there is no way south african army will lose 13 men while seleka rebels will lose 800 men to create a new world record infantry combat kill ratio of 1:61, that will be a new world record he said.

we looked critically at the weapons the seleka rebels had :

14.5mm double barrel anti-aircraft guns mobile truck mounted with firing range of about 5km and firing rate of about 1,000 rounds of ammunition in 5 minutes and it can pierce through light armour vehicles, for a human body it will tear the soldier into pieces.

105mm mobile anti-tank bazooka rocket launchers with range of about 2km and its rockets can pierce through heavy armour vehicles.

general purpose machine guns with range about 2km and rate of fire 5,000 bullets in 5 minutes.

AK-47 rifles were also used by the estimated 2,500 seleka force against the estimated 250 man south african army force.

the senior commanders of seleka are said to have at least average army military training in chad before their rebellion.

the south africans were out numbered in ratio 10 men against 1.

the seleka rebels used element of surprise attack because the south africans were not expecting them.

seleka was fighting at home and had advantage of knowledge of all the land and bush routes the south africans could use.

seleka rebels knew all the escape routes the south african army could use to escape and had blocked it, that is why corporal Nkoana went through hidden bush paths and still fell into the hands of seleka rebels who spared her life.

the seleka rebels did not need to get close to the south africans before wiping them out, their base was known and the mobile anti-aircraft guns with deadly amour piercing rapid firepower can tear the south africans into pieces from a distance of 1km away.

we simulated and discovered that with the above, the south african army can never kill 800 seleka rebels and lose only 13 men in about 18 hours of fighting.

as a form of simulation control/comparison, we related the battle of bangui to the american army battle against north korea in 'task force smith' 1950 korean war, where america was outnumbered in this same ratio 10:1, with 400 american specially selected soldiers against 4,000 regular north korean soldiers in the infantry encounter. in a few hours of combat 200 of the 400 american soldiers were dead or wounded and they retreated fast away from the battle field.

task force smith experience in war teaches world armies that you can never have a high kill ratio against a superior enemy unless their hands are tied to their backs with chains. you are more likely to lose the war to superior numbers and superior weapons, you cannot turn that situation around unless you chain the hands of the superior force so that you can k.ill them defenseless

in vietnam war 1965 to 1974, despite the awesome american land sea and air firepower superior to the communists, the kill ratio is estimated at 2:3, in favour of america/allies.

they did fight, but the south african army surrendered after losing the said 13 soldiers or likely even more, to avoid being totally wiped out, they surrendered to seleka and negotiated for a safe passage out of the area, that is clear from the fact that SANDF corporal Nkoana met with the seleka rebels they were said to be fighting with and she merely talked with them and they let her walk away without any harassment ! surely south african army had begged seleka to spare their lives and promised to leave CAR forever and never come back, for this reason, the rebels did not kill more of them and let them go free.

the south african propaganda kill ratio of 1:61 in their own favour, is a historical fraud in the history of war where the the so called winner is heavily out numbered and out gunned and also caught by surprise in a foreign territory they don not know well


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The South Africans had the 105mm rockets,Y2 grenades launchers and RPG7s to clear the area around the base.

chris365: trust me if they had grippen jets and rooivalk whatever you have, they would have invaded SA after you scrammed

They failed to invade our base.

chris365: yeah.. pose for photos

Should I post all their successful missions?

Donian007: SOURCE PLEASE! I'm not the type that entertains lies, especially this one you wrapped up from under your bed.

SANDU.

NaijaPikinGidi: Now which Airport have these lying South Africans been accusing France of occupying and refusing SA to retreat to or use? Now it is getting clearer to all that SANDF and their civiilian citizens will tell as many lies to cover their disgrace in the hands of Seleka!!

Or did Seleka overrun the Airport and SANDF ran looking for refuge from the French who were yet to arrive according to the report?



The true colours of South Africa emerging surely!!

Did you know that some country in west Africa, sends its wounded soldiers abroad for treatment?. And its chief of stuff(defence) was not embarrassed to say that,I mean they even put it on Twitter?. Reply if you want the name.

patriot4: White south african farmers beware, they are comming for you.
And black south africans beware, because the white southafricans are arming up and training for a showdown, they will launch a preemptif strike when mandela dies.
Baware, it is anyday now.
Verry soon, boooooooooooooom in Johanesbourg, booooooooooooooooooooooooooom in pretoria.
Kadabooooooooooooooooom, HIV and obesity has stoped black south africans from being able to fight, they have significantly fallen for heart attack and gun shot wounds, but the genocide continues.
The streets are littred with white dead body!
UN cries out for the outrage !
Nigeria is begged to move in to rescue the whites and is offered a UNSC seat to do so.
Zimbabwe poors in and bombs everything on its way. Lesotho joins the dance. Ughanda secures the gold mines!
Bombing everywhere.
kabooooooom.
rwanda rushes in, congo rushes in.
badabooooooooooooooooom!
SA: population reduces to 16 million, famine everywhere, cannibalism reported in numerous locations.
Badaboooooooooooooom

South Africans get along than you think. Besides you know what the "special task force" can do.

patriot4: The report I quoted said the CAR army fought alongside with you.
Now I don't know how many died, the whole world focussed on your own dead soldiers.
There is no way you can tell me no CAR soldier died. You don't have proof for that claim.
And the CAR soldiers were not only stationed at a certain bridge, they were everywhere and they were fighting with you.

CAR soldiers were not "fighting side to side" with the SANDF. And yes,they were stationed in a bridge which they abandoned and provided weapons to civilians. After their "attack chooper" was downed,their morale "just went down with that helo".

drag_on: http://www.navy.mil.ng/Aircraft
Come now be sensible,Nigeria has 3 Westland Lynx anti submarine helics and is buying more,Secondly a Frigate by its nature is anti-sub.Aradu is an anti-sub frigate,so is the Chinese and Indian frigates.We dont need to even send out our frigates to hunt your sub,we will just send the helics out to hunt down and blow your sub out of the water.After all you subs dont have anti aircraft missles. You will be a sitting duck to the helics.

NNS Aradu is not in service currently,it is out for some refit. Has Nigeria ever trained,in any anti_submarine warfare? And that westland Lynx MK89 doesn't have deeping sonar. Your Helos will need to fly from a frigate,it would be a difficult task for 3 helos(with pilots whom are not familiar with sub hunting) ,to locate a sub in a area of 300000 sq km.

patriot4: Just give it up, you don't know what you are talking about, and everyone here is awear that you are a quack. Why don't you leave the forum for people who know what they are saying.

I'm being truthful. China manufactures weapon systems mostly,from old USSR technology.

agaugust: NATO was fooling south african Navy in a child's play war game

is this how NATO trains among themselves in Europe preparing for war against mighty navy of Russia, Ukraine and China ?



the south african navy submarine was used to target 5 old outdated NATO warships and only 1 modern frigate



HOLLAND's naval ship is a 2005 technology stealth ship and is the only modern ship in the whole 6 ship NATO task force. Holland is one of the European countries with No sensible war experience in modern times, they avoid deadly combat.

the 5 other NATO navy ships are much older technology and close to their retirement age, they are :

USA navy ship is 1988 technology and now retired from a service
CANADA's navy ship is 1990 technology
PROTUGAL SICK BABY OF EUROPE's navy ship is 1991 technology
DENMARK navy's ships is 1981 technology and now retired from service
GERMANY's naval ship is an ordinary fuel storage tanker ship with 1977 technology

the SOUTH AFRICAN navy submarine is 2006 technology used against 5 outdated old warships with inferior technology


the NATO navies had better warships but did not bring them to south africa. also, no british, french, german or italian navy warship was present in the NATO force, and these are the 4 most powerful NATO countries in europe.

British navy stealth destroyer warship HMS Daring and US navy Arleigh Burke stealth destroyer warship have both been fully operational since 2006, a year before the so called defeat of NATO warships and they did not come to south africa then for the NATO war game.

nigerian navy too can use our 2012 Type 056 Stealth light frigate warship to missile target lock on that same american 1988 warship because it cannot see the nigeria stealth vessel built with modern stealth technology, then we come to nairaland and boast that nigeria navy defeated american warship !

EGYPT HAS PAID FOR 2 OF THE SAME SOUTH AFRICAN TYPE 209 SUBMARINE

On 31 August 2012, the Egyptian navy commander General/ Osama Ahmed stated that a contract has been signed with the German side to build two type 209 submarines for the Egyptian navy including the latest technology this type has reached.

ALGERIA HAS PAID FOR 2 OF THE SAME SOUTH AFRICAN VALOUR CLASS STEALTH FRIGATES

NIGERIA HAS PAID FOR THE FOUR TYPE 056 LIGHT FRIGATES AND PIPAV TIGER CLASS CLONE STEALTH WARSHIPS WITH YEAR 2012 LATEST TECHNOLOGY.

these 3 african navies are strongly contesting power for the sea with south african navy, and we cannot know who will win the sea war until the navies clash for real war, not just posting photos on nairaland and judging warships you have never seen by posting comments from your bedroom.

stop deceiving yourselves in south africa, your military can be beaten and r.oasted as we just saw now in CAR by local illiterate rebels.


weblink source : google internet wikipedia of all the ships named in this post, and their full details will be confirmed


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Don't be a joke. The USA and NATO do fail to detect subs,example being the Swedish Gotland class submarine. Are gonna tell me they were joking?

agaugust: https://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/980w/public/2013/07/10/china-nigeria-diplomacy.jpg?itok=Ct2n4_c0




below is what obama did not give any african country he visited few weeks ago


[size=16pt]china signs new defense pact and economic pact with nigeria[/size]


China and Nigeria now have signed a strategic partnership to help both countries achieve their respective interests.

People’s Liberation Army is providing training to make Nigeria’s military colonels into general officers

PLAN assistance to the Nigerian navy will provide modernized equipment for Nigeria to meet what it perceives are security challenges in the Gulf of Guinea

China is helping Nigeria to build a domestic arms industry

Nigeria: FG Secures U.S.$25 Billion Investment Deals During Chinese Visit

These include an agreement on defence cooperation between Nigeria and China, and an agreement on economic and technical cooperation.

China is also demanding nigeria increases crude oil export to china ten times more as a new long tern agreement.

http://beegeagle./2012/08/27/chinas-african-influence-expanding-nigeria-in-focus/

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307151376.html?aa_source=slideout

http://allafrica.com/stories/201307100640.html

What are you going to gain from China?,cause the "west" trains or manufactures military systems that are strictly made to destroy weapons from the USSR or present day Russia and China.

patriot4: Stop your nonesense.
First of all war is not a wrestling competition. You don't go with the aim of sending out the same number of soldiers as there are enemies. It is all about strategy. If you want to ambush one man for example, then you might need 12 men to do the job. Learn the word strategy. The US used 2.5 million soldiers to fight against the vietcong who were about 300000.
Counterinsurgency is an assymetric kind of war especially when the insurgents are terrorists who will stop at nothing to kill women, children and defenceless men. You need the army to hold a big load of ground, in order to deny the ground to the terrorists, so you need a lot of soldiers. And you also need special forces to hunt for the terrorists, so you end up with thousands of soldiers.
Why use aerial bombing: go and ask the south african military advisor helmoed heitman, he advocated it for every mission of the sandf. Moreover the US army always uses air cover. And in the case in which you have an ennemy using anti aircraft guns mounted on pick ups and other types of heavy weaponry, it is a strategically sound method to bomb that heavy weaponry with jets and hellicopter.
And for your info, the french sent an incredible equipment to fight against the terrorists in mali and the french used the malian and chadian soldiers as human shild by putting them in the line in front of the french forces.
Given all you have said, everyone here knows that you know nothing about how to fight a war, so why playing hypocrit and pretending you can judge an army ?
I didn't want to write any more comment, but correcting stupidity is just something I can not resist.

You're a "military comedian" my friend. And were you referring to Dr Stern?. On the BH thing,look the rebels in Mali had "technicals" and APCs captured from Malian troops.

souldust: what about the war in burma during the world war?

If that counts,should South Africa brag about being the only African country that has managed to destroy a U-Boat(subamrine) during WW2?

chris365: second should be between Nigeria and Algeria.
Between the two, Nigeria has been tested and known to be tougher in battle and strategy.
Egypt (cos they have a lot of weapons and manpower although never won any war but make we mange am like that)

Nigeria (having been involved in conflicts both domestic and foreign from independence to 2013, and known to have won all, Nigeria should be in first place but make we manage second sha. God dey)

Algeria ( Although not been in any recent conflicts but we have to attribute their success of chasing AQIM out of the country. Very well trained sha "karate things"

Ethiopia ( this country is a badass. Daz all)

South Africa ( left for me this country will not be on this list. Aside that they have shiny weapons, their sissy livered military was finally tested in CAR and they fled like chicken about to be slaughtered for christmas. Therefore don't deserve to be on this list but for their designer weapons, let manage them.)

thats my list. Any one that doesn't like it should go and eat sh*t.

Egypt's army was tested in a country to country military show down against. South Africa was tested in Angola. But Nigeria's army has only seen small scale combat against rebels,Nigeria would struggle to defeat any well organised foe. with(Nigeria) only less than 12 F7 fighter jets and some lead in fighter trainers.

agaugust: why did france not use sticks, clubs, batons and machetes to fight local rebels in mali ? why did france use its best jet fighter the great Rafale in photo below ? why did france re-inforce with heavy armour and its most sophisticated weapons moved to mali with the help of britain and america ? so nigeria should fight with bows and arrows against b.oko haram insurgents that have anti-aircraft gun and almost shot down NAF Mi-35 helicopter gunship ?

if i insult you now you will say i am bad. see what your mouth just spitted out in your above post.

Rafale jet, the best weapon of france used against mali local rebels
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/21/290069/france-and-warplane-mega-deal-in-mali/

[img]http://www.thenational.ae/deployedfiles/Assets/Richmedia/Image/SaxoPress/AD20120224655748-A%20Rafale%20fighte.jpg[/img]

Comment of a intellectual poor person. The French sent weapon systems suited for highly mobile desert warfare like wheeled armoured vehicles. Tracked vehicles like Tanks,did not get action. And BH is not as powerful as the rebels were in Mali.

agaugust: one south african Type 209 submarine of slow speed 20km bicycle speed will police and stop all ship movements in nigeria's 300,000 sq km EEZ sea waters. is your submarine a weapon or flying demon ?

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A single submarine would spread fear in your sailors within that 300 000 sq km EEZ sea waters. It is like a minefield,you know they're there but without knowing where they're can cause much worry in commanders. With a country like Nigeria,that doesn't have a "highly anti_submarine capability". It would be a nightmare for your Admirals to track down and destroy a submarine in that huge area. SAS Charlotte Maxeke on a single hunting missions,can cause a devastating loss to the Nigerian Navy. Besides i don't Nigeria,can succeed where NATO failed. GET IT?