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Men cheat all the time, but unfortunately men get away with it. In africa black magic is real. What would you do if you suspected ur wife of cheating?

[quote author=ondo_boi]1. the igbo tribe has nice variety of soup
2. plenty bleepable gels around for free[/quote]dont get smart, i said other than the three major tribes. and no igbo girl is ever for free, believe me. am yoruba/fulani by father and igbo by mother and believe me, whether you pay immediately with igbo gals, or you pay later, they are never free. Igbos never give their daughters away for free,they make you suffer and your pocket also before you even get a kola nut,let alone the girl. I said keep it positive and you tried to use backhanded comment to piss me off. not cool. I defend my ethnicities no matter if we are relations. omo ijebu-igbo, ati umuahia babe ni mi, so dont get me pissed.

i beg its not his baby, the girl na perfect ashawo, and what money does she have to pay flavour 10k dollar, i beg make una lie to someone else. As you can see in the pic, flavour dont care, cuz it aint his baby!!! chale tell that story of baby daddy to another man, cuz chinedu aint her baby daddy. She aint even cute.

[quote author=Miss_Ife]Hello nairalanders

I am still working on my plan to relocate to nigeria, while studying job offers, I will need your help (especially those based there, since I didn't go back for a couple of yrs) as for the cost of life in Lagos.

What price range would you give for those things :
-rented flat/house (3 bedrooms), preferably in VI or Lekki
-24hrs electricity and water (including fuel cost)
- house help / nanny salary (5 days a week, office hours +2)
- occasional driver wages (week ends etc.)
- gateman salary (if in a house, lives in, not necessary if in a flat)
- fuel cost for car
- average cost of food for a family of 5 (80% local + 20% imported)
- other expenses?

Thank you in advance for your help, as this will help me make my decision to move now or wait some more. ,[/quote]Umm am not going to fool you , but if you are going to relocate especially to lagos, then make sure you have at least 120K dollars saved in your account for the spending of the above, if you plan to have all those above. I would also say make sure you have a good job. My brother relocated to work for my father's company and i know even though he doesnt have a nanny, nor married yet, he spends over 50k dollars a year , and this said olodo brother of mine dont pay for house rent( cuz he stays in one of our family houses). But it also depends on the area of lagos you want to reside in. If you dont have the dough, dont go past close to Vi,banana island or even magodo self to attempt to get accommodation. The way lagos is is right now, things have become expensive in the more developed places.

PLEASE LETS NOT FOCUS ONLY ON THE THREE MAJOR TRIBES< LETS INCLUDE THE OTHER 247 groups in 9ja. IF you can say something good using their native tongues. Oya lets go there Tamuno mbana, I dont know how to add videos on here, but i think this song speaks volume of what we should aim to achieve together, no matter our differences. Any ways remember small small we go carry dey go, my people it go better-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8YmwuRgvk

and finally

my other favs.

ayusbobs: U must be from ondo

my fav- ofe ukazi na iri ji,ofe oha, ofe mgbam na ugbouro na iri ede. akamu,

CyberG: @jr philips: It's interesting you've been on this NL for a long time and I find your tactful answers interesting. Well, be ready to do a whole lot of writing on these kind of topics and you will need not only a LOT of patience but relentless tact in slamming the "TRUE" accounts of the events of those days into some people here.

@Mimi...I suggest you heed an earlier advice to read some history of discussions on this board. You see, MANY PEOPLE like you have tried to educate and persuade people to tone down the tribal rhetoric without success because the ferocity increases the harder you try. In the end, you may win some, lose some but the most important thing I realize on this NL is to state your own account perhaps with some references. You may succeed in not letting the future NLander buy the absolute crap that some people pass for knowledge on this parts. Finally, please educate yourself some more with sources, cross-referenced, to reach an unbiased position of knowledge.

umm sir i believe that if people face facts, that then they would let their tribalism simmer down. As for my accounts, they are well researched, but i understand where you are coming from. And @jp before you reply me, you need to do some reading, and ill suggest you start with this The 'Igbo Scare' in the British Cameroons, c. 1945-61
Victor Bong Amaazee
The Journal of African History
Vol. 31, No. 2 (1990), pp. 281-293
Published by: Cambridge University Press, good luck am going to sleep, dont die with ignorance.

jp philips:
look at an unrepentant ignorant bingo that doesn't know the capital of biafra is giving his father lectures on igbo history,because i came to your rescue, u have the sagacity to give me igbo lectures abi?

before you deceive your children again, biafra was coined from the "bight of biafra" an arm of the Atlantic ocean close to our present day Gulf of guinea.

didn't i ask you to go read your book?

You are very stupid, i gave a definition and you are here trying to tell me what i know.people assumed it coined out of bight of africa, idiot. Second Little is known about the literal meaning of the word Biafra. It is not part of the Igbo language. It is unclear whether the origin of the word Biafra has any relationship to "Bia", the Igbo word for "Come". The word Biafra most likely derives from the subgroup Biafar or Biafada[34] of the Tenda ethnic group who reside primarily in Guinea-Bissau.[35] Manuel Álvares (1526–1583), a Portuguese Jesuit educator, in his work "Ethiopia Minor and a geographical account of the Province of Sierra Leone", writes about the "Biafar heathen" in chapter 13 of the same book.[36] The word Biafar thus appears to have been a common word in the Portuguese language back in the 16th century.

The exact original region of Biafra is not restricted to Eastern Nigeria alone. According to the maps, the European travellers used the word Biafara to describe the entire region east of River Niger going down to the Mount Cameroon region, thus including Cameroon and a large area around Gabon. The word Biafara also appears on maps from the 18th century in the area around Gambia. In most igbo speaking places including southern cameroon are referred as Biafara in early 18th century british documents. So JP wetin you want talk again?

Igbo 101: Facts Little Told

By

Ogaranya Uju Nkwocha Afulezi, Ph.D., Duru Akwukwo III Ndi Umuohiagu

uafulezi@hotmail.com

It is amazing that the kind of education or information that were handed to us by our teachers in school or even the mass media in Nigeria regarding who we are, or are not, is often short of the living facts or reality on the ground. What we were taught, not in science or arts, but in sociology and anthropology, do not stand as facts that can be verified and certified as truth, and nothing but the truth. Methinks, we know, that the mission of education is to seek truth and propagate same undiluted, unembellished, and convincingly proven at all times. If it is a fact, then there is no \"ifs\" or \"buts.\" Nobody can truly claim to be educated who doctors the truth, or manipulates facts in order to suit his or her whims and caprices. Fact is not like history said to be largely subjective, that can be doctored or manipulated. When you have arrived as a truly intellectually liberated person, is when you call facts and figures as you see them, no matter who it may concern. Besides, truth is very exhilarating and bubbles like champagne wine. If you try to stand it on its head, it quickly reverts to its natural form - truth. And if you try to force it into your mind, it tastes sour. Truth is easier to manage, falsehood shifts like quicksand. See?
For many of us, it took coming to America, and devoting significant time, aside from our normal engagements, to dispassionately study our own native societies and where we fit in the larger world in which we all inhabit. And, didn't we know that it took coming to America for people like Mbonu Ojike, Zik, Nkrumah and others, to educate themselves that Africa was a great continent, that Europe had no right to colonize Africa, that the black man was part of the great civilizations of the world contrary to the bleak picture painted of the place of the black person in the sun. Consider how much you knew about the slave trade when you were in Nigeria. Very little, I must say, at least for me. What did you know of Egypt, the pyramids, African civilizations, and the fact that man started his journey on earth from Africa? Who ever knew that there are more pyramids in Sudan than in Egypt? We were taught British Empire History, European History, History of the World, and American War of Independence. We were never taught the making of our society, the ancient and modern accomplishments of our people. We were not taught our culture, our spirituality, our trade and commerce.
In this piece, I intend to focus on the Igbo as a people. The Igbo, their culture, civilization, and their contributions to world greatness, are, perhaps, among the most little understood, taught, publicized and recognized of all human knowledge. What is sometimes upsetting is the little the Igbo themselves, including their educated sons and daughters know about themselves. Or, more bafflingly, how the educated Igbo parrot, and hold fast, without taking a second look at the false information about the Igbo, which they heard or read from scantily informed or biased sources, foreigners and natives, and, of course, the ever busy Igbo detractors.
I decided to write this article after the now familiar surprise look I get from many an educated Igbo when I begin to discuss Igbo factoids and misrepresentations. What embarrasses most of them is that certain incontrovertible, and some would say, elementary facts about the Igbo, which were always self evident, now suddenly hits them like a thunderbolt and it becomes crystal clear to them that their previous beliefs which they parroted were false. Here are a few facts in question and answers:
Question: Is Southeast and Igboland the same thing?
Answer: Not at all. Southeast is only about 3/5th of Igboland. Igboland covers the whole of Southeast, parts of Rivers, Delta, Benue, and Akwa Ibom states.
Question: Why were we taught in school that Igbo people are easterners?
Answer: It is both an unfortunate parroting by teachers and careless adoption by Igbo educated class. Igbo people come from Southern Nigeria and not Eastern Nigeria. It may be correct to say that the Igbo are found predominantly in eastern Nigeria. However, by saying that the Igbo are easterners, the implication is that the Igbo in western Nigeria, numbering about 2.5 million (Agbor, Ogwashi Ukwu, Ibuzo, Okpanam, Asaba, Orimili, Ndokwa, Anioma, etc) are not Igbos. The best known Igbo anthropologist Professor Mike Onwuejeogwu is from the western part of Nigeria, Chukwuma Nzeogwu, Dennis Osadebe, Okonkwo Adibe (the famous musician), Sony Odogwu, etc. are all from the western part of Nigeria. They are no less Igbo than those who live in the eastern part of Nigeria. The correct answer to your question is \"the Igbo come from Southern Nigeria.\"
Question: Why do some Igbo refer to themselves as \"core Igbo?\"
Answer: That is clearly arrant nonsense. Nobody is core and others peripheral. All Igbo are the same. It is both arrogant, thoughtless and insensitive for anybody to regard others as marginal.
Question: Is Igboland landlocked?
Answer: Not at all. Igboland stretches from Igwe Ocha (Port Harcourt) to Agbor. The Atlantic ocean washes the shores of Igboland. Africa's second largest river - River Niger, traverses Igboland with one part of Igboland in the east and another part in the west of Nigeria. Uguta Lake has the potential of accommodating large ships and could be made a navigable port. If Igboland is landlocked, then all Nigeria is landlocked.
Question: Is there oil in Igboland?
Answer: Yes, indeed. There is a lot of oil in Imo State, Abia, Ebonyi, Rivers State and Delta States Igbo areas, and now in Anambra. Besides, Igboland has many other natural resources, including coal, limestone, etc.
Question: Are the Igbo a nation or a tribe?
Answer: The Igbo are a nation, and a very large one. There are many tribes in Igbo nation, just like you have many tribes within Israel.
Question: Why do some Ikwerre people say they are not Igbo?
Answer: First, it is not up to them to say what they are and what they are not. When God created them, He did not ask them who they wanted to be. He just created them Igbo. The only way you'll know who belongs to what ethnic group in Nigeria is the name and what language the name comes from. Anybody whose name is Amadi or Onyeri, or Eke, or Odili, Wanodi (Nwanodi) does not need to tell you who he is. He is Igbo, his politics notwithstanding.
Question: But they claim that their language is Ikwerre, not Igbo.
Answer: That is politics. Ikwerre is a dialect of Igbo language. Just like an Ngwa man speaks Ngwa Igbo, Arochukwu speaks Arochukwu Igbo, etc.
Question: Some people say that Igbo language is not complete, is it true?
Answer: No language is complete. All languages borrow from each other. Igbo language is very rich. It has inexhaustible and rich linguistic features like idioms, proverbs, aphorisms, sayings, anecdotes, riddles, folklores, etc. Igbo language is one of the major languages of the world, being spoken by millions of people.
Question: How many are the Igbo?
Answer: The Igbo are very numerous. There is educated guess that if Nigeria's census is properly enumerated, the Igbo could easily be the largest ethnic group in the country. They may number up to 40 million. Everything right now, is speculation. Nobody knows the true stratification or ethnic populations in Nigeria. The Igbo are the only ethnic group found in large numbers everywhere in Nigeria, and foreign countries more than any other ethnic group in Africa.
Question: Do the Igbo have a culture of their own?
Answer: Yes, indeed. Igbo culture is perhaps, one of the richest and all-encompassing cultures in this world. Igbo culture always observes the temporal and the spiritual aspects of cosmology. The study of Igbo culture reveals that it is extremely deep and original.
Question: Why do the Igbo wear Yoruba Agbada and Hausa babban riga but the Yoruba and the Hausa do not ever wear Igbo national dress?
Answer: Unfortunately this is the case. The Igbo have very attractive and resplendent national dresses. And they come in assortments that are extremely dignifying. The Igbo take up foreign cultures more readily than other Nigerians, and they seem not to care that nobody reciprocates their carefree attitude to life. Most ethnics promote their cultures and show off what makes them unique. Actually, it is still the same so-called educated Igbo class who behave in such disgraceful and the devil-may-care attitude.
Question: Why do the Igbo call themselves Biafrans?
Answer: Great question. Some people have the idea that Biafra originates from the Bight of Biafra. But that is wrong. There was the Kingdom of Biafra that ruled most of the ancient world about 50,000 years ago. Unfortunately, nobody talks about it, for whatever reason, I do not know. But, it is in the ancient maps of the world. If you wish I'll make a copy and send to you.
Question: Were the Igbo also taken into slavery during the slave trade?
Answer: Yes. The Igbo slaves themselves gave account of their travails in slavery. Olauda Ekwuano an Igbo ex-slave who bought his freedom in Britain was the first slave to write about his experience in slavery. His book has become a classic. You ought to find it and read it. Also, other Igbos who were brought to America revolted and some walked back on water and were said to have returned to Africa. Several books have been written about them. One of such books is \"Ibo Landing.\" It is available in bookstores like Barnes & Noble. In Haiti, the Igbo settled there and refused to be colonized by anybody. There are many places where the Igbo left their mark or their signature.
Question: How did the Igbo know days and years?
Answer: The Igbo invented an accurate, if not the most accurate calendar called \"Iguafo Igbo (Igbo Calendar).\" In Igbo calendar, there are four market days - Eke, Afor, Nkwo, Orie that make one week. Four days make one week, seven weeks make one month, and thirteen months make one year. There are 28 days for each month, with the last month having 29 days. Each month starts the same day as the previous. Igbo calendar forms the perfect astronomical alignment with the cosmos, and regulates the seasons, agriculture, navigation, astrology, geography, mathematics, travel, etc.
Question: Did the Igbo have their own alphabets?
Answer: Yes, indeed. It is called \"Nsibidi.\"
Question: How about mathematics; did the Igbo know mathematics?
Answer: Yes, indeed. There are such inventions as \"Okwe\" and \"Mkpisi\" which the Igbo used to resolve figures.
Question: Did the Igbo know anything about banking?
Answer: Yes. Igbo banking was more in the nature of Savings and Loans. The authentic Igbo savings and loans invention called \"Isusu' in which contributions are pooled each week and one person, who has the need, collects, is still in practice. Igbo slaves took this invention to the Caribbean Islands where they still practise it and call it \"Sue Sue.\"
Question: Some people say that Igboland is too small for the Igbo, that they have no alternative than to live as Nigerians: is this true?
Answer: False. Igboland is a large country. Do every Igbo need to stay and work in Igboland? No. Everywhere in the world, some will stay home while others venture abroad in search of opportunities. Igboland is large enough for the Igbo. And it is a very rich and hospitable part of the world. It has rich soil for agriculture, abundant rainfall, good sunshine, and table land in many parts. Its land space and population are more than that of over half of the present countries in the world.
Question: Where did the Igbo come from?
Answer: That question is still being asked. There are very intriguing theories or histories now being studied. You may have heard of the Jewish angle, the Egypt angle, and the Origin of man angle. This twenty-first century, hopefully, will resolve the mystery.
Question: Why do people say that the Igbo are not united?
Answer: Those who say so, do so out of ignorance. The Igbo are famous for their unity. In the colonial period and the First Republic of Nigeria, the Igbo were always envied for their unity. Under Igbo Union, they accomplished many things. They were feared by others for this. Since after the war, the Igbo are gradually recovering and getting rid of the individualism they developed brought about by their war experience which enabled them to survive as a disinherited people. Now, there are vigorous efforts to reunite them and return them to their old glory which served them well in the past.
Question: Some people say that the Igbo are susceptible to being bought by some other Nigerians, and that they \"sell\" the Igbo in the bargain; is this true?
Answer: The same parroting and recycling of unfounded talk. When you hear such a talk, challenge the one who is mouthing it to give you evidence, or to cite an example of such an Igbo person. He is likely to say \"what of Jim Nwobodo?\" Tell him that the Igbo number about 40 million, if it would be fair for the action of one person to represent the integrity of the other 3.99.9 million. The truth is that an Igbo is like any other human being, when he sees where he can take advantage of a situation, he goes for it. It has nothing to do with \"selling.\" Were we not told that fish clusters where the river was deepest or that the dog follows he who has crumbs? Not long ago in the history of Nigeria, other Nigerians were also running after the Igbo for crumbs because the Igbo were in position to call the shots. Things will not remain as they are today. In fact, things are changing fast.
Question: Why are other Nigerians always persecuting the Igbo?
Answer: I have always tried to know myself. I am one of those who believe that the Igbo are among the most peaceful people on earth. But, because of the fact that they are very hardworking, ambitious, and not afraid to live anywhere, or take up any task, they tend to be resented by their less ambitious and successful neighbors or hosts. When you confront a non-Igbo to say what specific offense the Igbo have committed against them, oftentimes they draw blank, or engage in fabrications, which they insist must stand for a fact. The Igbo believe in live-and-let-live. It is virtually impossible for any Igbo to rise against their guests or hosts. It has never happened in Nigeria, or elsewhere. It is an abomination in Igboland for a host to cause his guest harm. Instead, a guest is considered metaphysically and physically under the protection of the host. All Igbo deities forbid doing harm to a guest. The Igbo are accused of \"loving money.\" I suppose the charge is based on the fact that they work hard and acquire money in the bargain. One would like to believe that the outcome of hardwork is good harvest and hopefully prosperity. If anybody takes offense at the prosperity of a hardworking person, then the Igbo or for that matter any other person or persons, have no apologies to render.
Question: Do the Igbo have their own system of jurisprudence before the arrival of the white man?
Answer: Yes. The Igbo had a system of resolving conflicts. The elders were presented with cases that could not be satisfactorily settled within the family or kindred. Matters where veracity must be ascertained, the Igbo resort to spirituality. Oath-taking is a matter left to the spirits to settle. Those who swear falsely were expected to be killed by the spirits within a given period. After the period, he is acquitted and he could celebrate with public merry-making. The Igbo did not have any prisons, but they could ostracise a culprit, exile him, or send him into slavery or to serve to a deity.
Question: Why don't the Igbo teach these things you are telling me to their children?
Answer: In the pursuit of what they taught was the \"new way\" either from Europeans or o Christianity, the Igbo began to distance themselves from their heritage, and in the process became lost in the wilderness of a world they hardly understand. They have learned their lesson the hard way. The twenty-first century will lead them back home.

jp philips: another lose ethnic jingoist on rampage , all these quarter to college boys that like wearing their flags of ignorance.

in-case your father didn't tell you, the core rivers, river rine parts of Rivers fought the Biafrans, it was only the upland that ran with ojukwu, even when ojukwu managed to advance to the remote rivers he was forcefully taking them as captive soldiers.
Saro wiwa and Adaka wanted the core SS to have the right to chose whether to join the war or not, neither ojukwu's biafra nor Gowon's Nigeria gave them the chance

incase you didnt know Alaigbo stretches from Igwe Ocha( rivers-ph) to Agbo in present Delta State. All Igbo speaking people, no matter how different their dialects are, is part of Alaigbo state. This is a settled matter and it is silly always revisiting it as if it is up to us to change it.Biafra is the name of a village in Portugal; I am not a Portuguese and, therefore, cannot be named by a Portuguese word.
Original (correct) names/spellings for Igbo City's/Towns/Villages
Abakaliki is Abakaleke; Afikpo is Ehugbo; Asaba is Ahaba; Awgu is Ogu; Awka is Oka; Bonny is Ubani; Enugu is Enugwu; Ibusa is Igbuzor; Igrita is Igwuruta; Oguta is Ugwuta; Onitsha is Onicha; Owerri is Owerre; Oyigbo is Obigbo; Port Harcourt is Diobu; Ogwashi-Uku is Ogwa Nshi Ukwu.
P.s. another history lesson by my grandpa-
According to my paternal grandpa who is of yoruba, who is in his late 80s, the word oyigbo is what they called white settlers because they were fair like the igbos, because igbos had a lot of albinos in their tribe, so oyirigbo become oyinbo.
By the way, EKO (Lagos) is an Edo Word, Lagos itself is a Portuguese Word, America is Spanish, Yoruba is an hausa word, etc etc...Does the appellation change who the people and their circumstances are? no so sharap.

jp philips: i for say na sand sand dey your head but e be like say na Gun powder,

before you deceive your children, the first capital of biafra was Enugu not PH, it was in enugu that the republic of biafra was declared.
after the fall of Enugu, Owerri became the next capital, history recorded ojukwu's bunker in umuahia after the fall of owerri and he escaped from Uli in anambra state,
now, thank me for waking you up

clap for ya self you corrected me,still PH is part of igbo land by tradition, so your point, so i miss quoted the first capital of biafra, the fact is that PH is igbo land.

solayemi: See black brains talking/commenting. What happened to the money he made as a footballer? How many houses has d brazilian gvmt built 4 pele or how many times has d french gvmt paid zidane's hospital bills. These guys made themselves relevant after their careers,that is why we still see them 2day and not because their govmnts put them where they are today. What did he do with his life and wealth after soccer?

Actually their gov.system provides free healthcare and retired fund to former national team players, so what are you talking about-what did their government do for them. Nigeria doesnt offer any of that, and all they do is give empty promises while their heroes suffer.

kasiem: igbo adage,"nwoke lucha ogu, nwanyi enwere akuko" translated to " if a man finishes fighting, a woman will narrate the story" do u know what this insinuates? we've finished fighting with our fellow men(world powers) and now yorubas via adekunu are telling the story. have u for once used ur logical sense(make i elevate u) to ask urself why nigeria went to the level of begging world to come and help them fight small igbos? maybe, awOLEwo free education was busy teaching u guys rat poisoning without touching logic, but u still have a chance of learning logic in one of this almajiri school given to u by gej

You also need to stop this tribalistic rant. As a mixtribe person, it saddens me when we go and attack eachother's tribe, instead of the individuals.

dayokanu: Let the Ibos continue whining

How many of them have laid the blame at the feet of the useless Ifeajunas, Nwobosis and co who went to murder politicians and their wives in their bedroom.

Thank God for the life of Black Scorpion who wasted them likewise in the ratio 1 for 10,000

you know what is so sad about you, is the fact that your ignorance have ate you up. If you didnt know why ojukwu was important because if he stayed and was killed then the war would have been for nothing. In war, if you have ever been in the army as long as the leader is not captured the war is never won. So like i have been saying go learn your history.

dayokanu: From the same site you gave

Outright molestation, harassment and killing of non-Ibo civilians occurred on a daily basis. At night "suspected saboteurs" were fished out of their homes and arrested. The Hausa community in the Lagos street area of Benin and other parts of the state were targeted for particularly savage treatment, in part a reprisal for the pogroms of 1966, but also out of security concerns that they would naturally harbor sympathies for the regime in Lagos. But non-Hausas were just as badly treated. And as the hostility of the local population became more intense, so did the degree of indiscrete brutality for "internal security". Non-Ibo alumni of St. Patrick's College, Asaba and Government College, Ughelli, found to their chagrin that old school ties meant nothing in the new dispensation (17).

nothing is fair in war, maybe you should read further and you will see
Second, there was a perception in the Biafran leadership that, given the chance, the Midwest and West would unite with the East to fight the North (12, 19). On May 1st, during a trip to the East, Chief Obafemi Awolowo had stated that "If the Eastern Region is allowed by acts of omission or commission to secede from or opt out of Nigeria, then the Western region and Lagos must also stay out of the Federation". Senior Yoruba officers (Colonel Olutoye, Lt. Cols. Obasanjo, Sotomi, Akinrinade and Major Ariyo) supported Awo's demand that "northern" troops leave their region (10). They wanted westerners recruited immediately to create an all-Yoruba force, making the West less vulnerable to the 'Northern region', which at that time was believed to be actively recruiting soldiers in the North. (The West was the only region that had troops on its soil that were not exclusively from that region). Gowon eventually ordered "northern" troops in Ibadan to withdraw to Ilorin, but rescinded this order on May 27 when he declared a State of Emergency (12).


Again you helped me make my point about your ignorance, you left what we were talking about to find the worst part of the war to use as an argument, something that is faint compared to what the nigerian battalion did to the igbos and those who supported biafra. I feel sorry for you.

dayokanu: Which Midwest leader agreed to join Biafra please enlighten us

For further answers read this, perhaps you would understand what happened and stop asking stupid questions.
Midwestern Ibo officers who felt the confederate and even secessionist arrangements proposed by other regions was a better approach opposed this position, hammered out by the Urhobo Governor, Lt. Col. Ejoor, Chief Anthony Enahoro (Ishan-Edo), and a group of non-Ibo intellectuals from the University of Ibadan. Such disagreements over policy reflected deep divisions within the political milieu over which Ejoor presided (13).

go to this site http://www.dawodu.net/midwest.htm
Biafra captured the midwest which wasnt part of the war in the beginning, but by default became. A few yoruba generals like adeleke, Adewale Ademoyega and oyewole fought on the side of biafrans to help capture midwest. if the midwest was not captured and due to the closeness of igboland to it, Nigeria could have easily captured igboland, so the safest thing to do was capture the midwest first. And oh P.S part of midwest were occupied by igbos due to tribal warfare before british created nigeria- aka ika people. Read these books also, if you want to truly understand the events as they were.


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dayokanu: The people of PH have several times denied that they are not Ibos, Why do you think most PH people supported the federal govt during the war?

Go and research what roles Saro-Wiwa and Adaka Boro played during the war. They were all against Biafra but Ojuku forcefully annexed them.

Now tell us why ojuku annexed Mid west and the SW? Are they also historically ibos?

Do people of Bakassi speak Ibo or how are they part of Iboland?

You need to read your history books, I dont have time to reiterate unbiased history of nigeria for you. Read the ones prior to independence for nigeria to understand the formation of nigeria geographically. Second PH people never sided the gov of nigeria that is where you are lying, because the first capital of biafra before it moved after ph was captured during the war is ph. Secondly the only reason the lost people claim they are not igbo, yet speak an igbo dialect, have their traditions,Gods, etc, is something called politics. They do it because they know that most southwest and north would never let an igbo man rule nigeria for fear of him creating his own country. thirdly saro-wiwa and adaka boro are two individuals who were not the chiefs of their lands. Many igbos didnt want the war, but they werent the mass. ojukwu while carving biafra never put sw in the equation, yall were asked to join and you refused- we the yorubas refused. As for midwest their leaders agreed to biafra. Go to oxford university and read books on biafra, then you will understand the essence of what happened during the war. I am done with discussing this issue with you, but if southern sudan can leave sudan, biafrans have the right to leave the nigerian union. Your misinterpretation on the history of the war and nigeria is the reason I hope nigeria have a dialogue on these issues, because this is the open wound that his still helping rot nigeria, ignorance.

dayokanu: That is because Ojuku annexed part of nigeria into Biafra.

What are places like Portharcourt, Bayelsa, Akwa-Ibom Cross rivers doing in ojukus Biafra and to make matters worse he annexed the mid west and threatened the SW.

that was when he bit more than he could chew and he was duly and properly beaten into a pulp by the ever capable BLACK SCORPION Benjamin Adekunle

dude i dont think you understand. PH is part of igbo land by tradition. Just because the british changed the name from original igbo name dont make it part of nigeria, okay. Know ya history. Indidgenes of Akwa ibom, cross river and igbos have always had a brother sister relationship and by default is part of biafra. so what are you talking about,As a yoruba woman by father, I will tell you that even till today my grandfather who was in the army regrets his actions during the war. He says that if they had sided with the igbos, and left nigeria, maybe even form their own country,that things would have been better. And if you didnt know what is southern Cameroon aka the bakasi peninsula, used to be part of igbo land. so know ya history before you spill nonsense. P.S. LAGos is not a yoruba land, it belongs to benin people by traditions.

nakedall: “But his secession bid led to the war. If Ojukwu had succeeded, he would have been Nigerian and not Biafran leader. Nigerians and indeed the children who suffered during the war should forgive us,” Gowon said.

Samething my father told me!

and this is the reason Ojukwu deserves nothing than to rot in HELL.

Would you stay in a country that stole and maltreated your people if you could do something about it. Igbo land was the last to be conquered by the british because they resisted the unity called nigeria. So for Ojukwu to ask nigeria to let his people go, I dont think it was wrong. The reason Nigeria wanted the igbos to stay in Nigeria is because the area called biafra contained the oil, which Nigeria desperately needed to keep.

ballabriggs: You can see what Igbo land has turned to. Most of them are not very intelligent. They just make a lot of noise with nothing really to show for it. You demand freedom from Nigeria when you have not freed the 'osu's' living in a igbo land. Shame on you small mentality.

WHat the hell do you know about osus. And Osu is a slave due to war, and that practice stopped a long time ago, before nigeria even gained her Independence. So please speak what you know. plus yes the igboland due to corruption is not as developed as most would want it, but its more developed by than the north. So please check your utterance.

chagga: U are here insulting a man who realized his wrong and apologized ..least he had the decency to apologize not like Ojukwu because of his ego n arrogance went 2 a war he knew he can't win. Who should be apologizing to the igbos ?

Are you okay, Ojukwu a long time a ago in two or three documentaries said that he realized that the war wasnt necessary and could have been stopped. Gowon is here lying. NIGERIA, Great Britain,USA and other European powers Owes the igbos an apology. By the United Nation Declaration of freedom and right to create ones on country, those countries were wrong in aiding nigeria against biafra. In a democracy built in the image of usa structure, people have the right to live and have their own country. Problem only entered when Nigeria realized that if Biafra left, that they take the oil with them. THat is why great britain and other european countries helped arm nigeria against people who was fighting for their freedom with knives. SO ojukwu did not have to apologize for nothing, Gowon apologizing now is rubbish to me, cause i know he doesnt mean it.

It is sad that all these northern bred leaders are still alive and the north is yet under developed and suffering. This is sad.

Nchara: •Awo, others bag posthumous awards
•Ojukwu would have ruled Nigeria —Gowon
•Says Islamisation, plan of Boko Haram, not northern agenda


Written by Dare Adekanmbi Tuesday, 08 May 2012

POSTHUMOUS awards were, on Sunday, conferred on the tripod of Nigeria’s independence and First Republic leaders, Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Sir Ahmadu Bello and Chief Nnamdi Azikiwe.

Daughter of the sage, Dr Tokunbo Awolowo-Dosumu, received the honour on behalf of the Awolowo family.

Speaking on the occasion of the 2011 Man of the Year and Lifetime Achievement Awards organised by the Silverbird Group in Lagos, former military head of state, General Yakubu Gowon (retd), said Igbo leader and Biafran warlord, the late General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu would have succeeded in ruling the country if he had not been checkmated when he declared the Republic of Biafra and consequently sparked the civil war in 1967.

The former head of state, who came to power in the nation’s second military putsch on July 29, 1966 and ruled till July 29, 1975 when his regime was toppled in another coup that led to the installation of the late General Murtala Muhammed, spoke against the background of a documentary on the fratricidal war shown at the ceremony.

Reliving some of the events of the civil war fought between July 6, 1967 and January 12, 1970, Gowon described it as a needless war and one never to be wished for again, adding that the war would not have arisen if Odumegwu-Ojukwu had not dismembered the eastern part from the rest of the country.

“If there was no secession by the late General Chukwuemeka Odumegwu-Ojukwu, there would not have been war. We tried all we could not to go to war. At the Aburi meeting (held in Ghana in January to forestall the imminent war), all that was demanded by Ojukwu, including my position, were granted.

“But his secession bid led to the war. If Ojukwu had succeeded, he would have been Nigerian and not Biafran leader. Nigerians and indeed the children who suffered during the war should forgive us,” Gowon said.

On the call for the Islamisation of the country by members of the Boko Haram sect, Gowon said the clamour was not an agenda of the North.

He charged the sect to table its grievances with the Federal Government for a dialogue instead of the bloodletting and wanton destruction of life and property of innocent people.

He chided advocates of sovereign national conference as doing so on their own terms, adding that the country was already sovereign.

Gowon, however, called for a conference to discuss the myriad of issues plaguing the country.

In his acceptance speech on the occasion, the presidential candidate of the Congress for Progressive Change (CPC) in last year’s election, Major-General Buhari (retd), fingered lack of sincere political leadership as the bane of the country’s stunted progress and development.

The Katsina-born general said he was too young to quit politics, if he must continue to lend his support for the nation.

Comparing the nation’s current political class with the First Republic leaders, Buhari noted that the latter category of leaders was far better in terms of commitment to national growth and development as well as selfless leadership.

“Sir Ahmadu Bello developed the North through the Northern Nigerian Development Company. What did the Sardauna leave? I read in a book that he left 47 pounds and a house in Morocco given to him by a prince there.

“But what do we have today. Look at the pension scam alone. People who have served this country for 30 to 35 years are dying and some people are hiding billions of naira in their houses. Leadership is Nigeria’s problem. I believe in democracy. I believe in multiparty system,” he said.

Also speaking on the occasion, General Danjuma decried the level of poverty in the country, saying that nothing had accrued to the low class citizens who are resident in the rural areas of the country since the years of the oil boom.

Danjuma added that all money raised by his foundation towards helping the underprivileged was pittance when compared to the enormity of deprivation in the country, charging all to cultivate the attitude of giving as “nobody is too poor to give.”

It was a parade of northern stars at the ceremony that saw Gowon, Generals (retd) Muhammadu Buhari, and T.Y. Danjuma receive the Silverbird Lifetime Achievement awards.

via
The Nation

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Its funny that Gowon has the audacity to claim this after ojukwu has died. Gowon forgot numerous bbc and other televised reports on the war, before and after on both side. maybe his old age is getting to his head. Ojukwu didnt want to rule nigeria, no he want igbos free from nigeria because they werent treated fairly. Secondly at first ojukwu asked for a confederate, which nigeria agreed,then later went against the agreement. Gowon speak the truth.

amosy007: igbo like to claim most people from south south ... Thats how they claim don jazzy too.. So dnt be suprised

As a mixed tribe person myself, i will tell you not to get smart with your comments here. IGBOS by igbo umunne cultural has the right to claim donjazzy, because DOnjazzy's mom comes from a royal family. secondly, Royal families dont own themselves, the people own them. Also people from south south and areas that was carved as biafra marry eachother. My great grandfather married 8 wives and 3 were igbos, 2kalabari, 1 fulani,1 yoruba, and one edo. But everyone related by paternal grandpa, dont say am mixed,blah,blah, even if they know they are, they say am igbo period no questions asked, because we are a patriarchal community . My mom is igbo and my dad is yoruba/hausa, so I claim yoruba cuz thats my dad's paternal grandfather's people. So when someone is of mixed tribe usually people by reaction usually chose their fathers, especially if you are a boy. Igbos marry everyone as long as they respect their traditions, they are not picky, unlike other tribes, because at the end of the day as long as the child has an igbo heritage, especially a maternal tie, then he or she can never be denied the ethnicity if he claims it.

dayokanu: Is Reetardeen AZIKWE EBELE Odechukwu Jonathan not Ibo?

GEJ is not igbo. He is ijaw. In Nigeria and in igbo land, as in yoruba land, a child belongs to his father's people, no matter what his mother is( which in this case GEJ's mom is igbo). so GEJ is an IJAW MAN PERIOD-NOT IGBO.

no offense but if i must say, now is the best time for nigeria to separate, now that the north and southwest have their own oil. The main reason nigeria wanted to keep biafra in nigeria was because of the oil. Even though i am mixed with three main tribes, I dont believe in one nigeria.

Alusi Okija: Yes boss!!

Igbo boys no dey slack!!

why does it have to get tribal with you, if you must know Donjazzy is not an igbo man, his mother is, and his father is an isoko man,therefore he is an isoko man, just like dr.sid. So stop this nonsense. In igboland you know a child reps his father's people and not the mother=if the father married their mother proper-which he did, so stop this nonsense.

lacasa: ""I was very glad composing this for two reasons:

1. The event is gonna hold in ma state of

residence (EDO) so i'll enjoy the event to the

fullest live.

2. My tribe (Igbo Kwenu) populated the list. This implies

that girls with igbo traits are the MOST

BEAUTIFUL na obodo anyi Nigeria ""


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-we all know d reason igbo popUlated †ђξ list is cos they can do anything for money n fame (they can give †ђξ most BJ's τ̅☺ producers n judges) ..As Ʊ said, "Igbo traiits"

WHY MUST EVERYTHING BE TRIBAL WITH YOU ALL. AS A MIXED TRIBE PERSON, THAT ALSO HAVE IGBO HERITAGE, AND WHOSE COUSIN IS IN IN THE COMPETITION I KNOW THE QUALIFICATIONS IS NOT ONLY BEAUTY. THERE ARE EDUCATIONAL ALSO, PLUS U REP THE STATE UR PARENTS GAVE BIRTH TO U IN, NO MATTER YOUR TRIBE NATIVE LOCATION. ALSO IGBOS ARE ONE OF THE TRIBES THAT HAVE ALWAYS DONE THE PAGEANTRY THING, ITS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THEIR TRADITIONS. ITS CALLED MGBEDE, AND ITS SEEN AS A STEPPING OUT OF SOCIETY THING FOR UMU AGBORBIAS( YOUNG WOMEN). MAYBE IF ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO SCREAM FOR ONE NIGERIA SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY LEARN ABOUT EACHOTHER'S CULTURES ANS STOP ASSUMING, PERHAPS TRIBALISM WILL FADE A BIT, IT JUST IRKS ME TO SEE HOW YOU ALL STUPIDLY GET TRIBAL AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

FOr all you idiots and church rats, I noticed you people like to get tribal too fast. One single question and its the igo/yoruba/hausa vs eachother,esp. the igbo/yorubas, sometimes you people just piss me off and i get disappointed that i have kinship with you people. First of all Ude can mean so many things in igbo depending on how you say it, but in this context, Udechukwu means the anointed on of God. Ude= kam nte ya ude= let me anoint him. Ode is also in the igbo dictionary, but i havent seen it used in this context. Its mostly used by certain igbo people,mainly delta and rivers, especially in names like odera, odenigbo, etc. Its sad that i come here all the time and igbo and yoruba are at eachother's neck. By the way goodluck is an ijaw man because his father is an ijaw man. He gets his middle igbo names from his mother's side. In Nigeria, and in most tribes, a child belongs to their father's family,not the mothers, but in Igboland though its a partriachal society, their is the believe that mother is superior, so by default because his mother is our kinswomen and in igbo we say "mere umunne" in Igbo land we have to protect him as a mother protects her child. So with that said, make una all sharap and find something better to do,as for me I dey head to work. Happy hump day.

I feel sorry for some of the south east states, cause this reaffirms the fact that IgBOS are losing their native language at an alarming rate. Who gives a shit how good one is in English language, sad!!.