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italo: How can you be certain that we dont know when you don't know yourself.

This is the irrationality one has to have to be an Atheist.

When you make claims for that which you have no proof then you are lying to the world and probably yourself.

There are a number of events that stump the intellect of man, at any point in history. But there usually comes a time when people realise the cause and that issue ceases to be a 'miracle'.

A miracle is simply people saying that they do not know. Which is fine. It is better to say that you do not know than to claim erroneous knowledge vis-a-vis the church.

The god of Abraham hates people in general, not just merriment.

Apatheist: Dafuq?
You've always been marked by "the devil"

I've kissed in church before.
Does sex with a nun count?

I will allow sex with a nun. Assuming she was a nun at the time of the act.

Apatheist: Do you mean inside the church premises?

Indeed.

I can recall receiving manual and oral relief in a church bathroom.

dorleey: With ur response, it shows that u are totally confused abt d word 'truth' , context or ur ideology. We are talking abt someone acting pornography in church and u are happy abt it and defending it because of molestation done by some ill minded ppl. Can u tell me d difference btw u and d molesters (since u are all supporting ill). Let me ask u, dt some ppl use knowledge derived from education wrongly does it make education bad? Apply it to religion and answer it urself. Most of u claiming atheists knw nothing abt God apart from d little knowledge u got from d internet. If u feel u dnt believe in God, y nt keep it to urself instead of attacking God and ppl who revere Him. Wt d way most atheist are going, I see no difference btw them and boko harams because y boko inflicts physical pain by taking wt is dear to ppl, Atheist inflict mental pain by insulting what ppl hold dear to them not minding who gets hurt. If u want to be heard and seen, do something positive and quite fighting ppl for their belief because from all I have read so far, d only thing I see u guys do is to attack and nt creating d difference u claim to be. For every cause, there is a prima causa, a first cause caused by nothing which caused other causes. out of nothing, nothing was created, Something must be created out of something so dnt feel dt ur existence is a mistake or out of nothing. Do d best u can for humanity instead of hurting humanity because of ur ideology. This is all I have to tell u.

Truth - a verified or indisputable fact.

You have displayed a reluctance to embrace the truth.

I asked a question that appears to have irked you because it would have revealed or forced you acknowledge further truths.

Intimate contact with another person in church?

mecussey: You don't have to bring God into this matter even if you are an atheist. What men don't really know is the power they ve got. The power to do and undo, they usually want to blame something. If Moses was told that men will fly one day in an airbus, he won't believe it unless he consulted God. As far as am concern men got a whole lot of power to control almost everything on this earth. Man even has the power to appear and disappear. Until we discover that God handed over the earth to man...the world will continue to shake.

The devil was brought into the equation which I found amusing. I simply asked a question.

Surely if someone is supreme overlord then they have a responsibility to at least protect their own?

dorleey: If truth is objective then I see no meaning in ur question unless u define d word 'truth' in relation to d context u used it. One more advice for u: if the only ideology u have as an atheist is to fight against God and ppl who revere Him, then u have no meaningful objective because if u feel something is wrong, try making it right and not sitting on d fence,pointing fingers at any one within ur sight. Try impacting positively to humanity and not seeking any slightest opportunity to mock other ppl's belief/ideology. If we can spend more time making positive input to d growth of humanity, it wld make d world a better place instead of crticizing ppl destructively just because of their belief. No matter d religion/belief, our priority shld be for humanity sake: love ur neighbor as urself bt it is obvious dt some of us dnt love ourselves and this can be perceived in d way we lack respect for others and relate wt them.

Either something took place or it didn't. The truth isn't complicated when it comes to the Catholic Church and abuse.

I'm all about making improvements for humanity's sake unfortunately the road to progress is often hindered by religion.

dorleey: Tnx for d correction. It shld be 'what' in ur number 2 and not 'why'. So tell me, what is ur definition of the word 'truth'?

Truth is objective - asking for a definition is an avoidance tactic.

The Internet is replete with dictionaries.

When the Bible is very clear on their position.


Genesis 3:16 - Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Timothy 2:12 - But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Ephesians 5:22-33 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

dorleey: u sound so bittered; u have much anger in u. Try to dispel it before it takes u down. Just an advice.

1. The word is 'bitter'

2. What do you have against the truth?

Katier00: I said PLeasa not in a rude way, if u want to enquire or ask just create another thread and i will be every happy to help you in your journey of discovery. Thanks dear

"Shut up" is always impolite.

Stop lying to yourself about your use of language and your unwillingness to embrace truth.

Katier00: shut up please

Freedom of speech young lady.

I am free to ask and enquire - why are you against discovery by way of questions?

AlfaSeltzer: But how did the church discover the film?

The church hierarchy members probably wanted a change from their usual homosexual fare.

italo: If it were "untruth," you wouldn't spend your whole time, energy and life on it.

The devil knows it's true, that's why he's desperately instigating you and your like to fight against it.

What does social responsibility mean to an Atheist?

So you innately know that there is good/evil; God/devil.

It's just the devil fooling you otherwise.

I don't talk about religion in my day to day life.

I come here to be entertained.

You amuse me.

italo: If it were a "myth," you wouldn't spend all your time, energy, life ranting about it...

Unless you've been made scatter-brained and hopelessly restless by the devil.

It is socially irresponsible to allow untruths to go unchallenged.

italo: I 'cry' and 'lament' for something.

You cry and lament for NOTHING.

The devil has made you so scatter-brained and restless about 'nothing.'

You cry and lament over a myth.

An unverified story and the institution responsible for propagating the fraud.

Austin4lif: go and die!

I like it when the myth of Xtian compassion is exposed for what if it is.

Excellent thread.

Most certainly BS.

italo: It's the devil using men.

The devil? Lol. So god can't even protect his own house...

It looks more like someone taking advantage of peculiar visual tastes to make money.

Is this worse than what happened to the thousands of poor children inside church buildings at the hands of priests.

The OP is incredibly ignorant.

There are people all over the world who worship gods and follow messiahs who did not look like them.

The Buddha was from Nepal, not China.

Mohammed was not Pakistani.

No one claims that Jesus was European.

Someone delete this stupid thread.

peppyluv02: Forever catholic and proud. Mistakes of a few men shouldn't make you judge all and that figure is a big lie!!

So the Catholic Church is lying but you are proud of being a Catholic?

MOBJECTIVE: Your disdain is understandable and expected, and is also a good reason for my prayer.

"In all facets of their lives where unit is needed"

I phrased this as it is in relection of the very fact that we're having this conversation. I can't pray for unity in everything, as it's impossible, and thankfully so. For us to be united with the mindsets of paedophiles and still be able to see right from wrong is one instance.

You talk like a Nigerian politician:

A poor grasp of the English language allied with an inherent dishonesty.

Enjoy your lies.

MOBJECTIVE: Fortunately, I never claimed this. God has one church, in the basic meaning of the word; the people. When I pray for renewal in his church (catholic and non-catholic), I am praying for renewal and unity amongst his people, in all facets of their lives where unity is needed. Whether it's doctrine, law, sense of right or wrong, absence of war or conflict, etc. irrespective of their belief in him or not.

Wow, so dishonest.

You mentioned one god having more than one church - "his church" (catholic and non-catholic). Again, they are not the same - millions of people in Europe have been slaughtered because of the difference in dogma.

It doesn't surprise me that an organisation with such a penchant for misdirection and ambiguity would create followers so unclear in their thinking and expression.

MOBJECTIVE: Man gave himself contradictory messages and acted on his own anger or cravings. It's useless to blame God for the different views of thought which separate us.

If I were an atheist, it would be like blaming my mother for such things as : the differences I have with my brother, knowingly falsifying truth, or wrongdoings which I commit all according to my free will. We are solely to blame for our sufferings.

You are the one claiming that your god has more than one church, with competing doctrine. I only followed your claim to its logical conclusion by adding in the other ill-fitting elements of xtian doctrine.

MOBJECTIVE: man allowed that himself.

So god created the environment, gave contradictory messages, gave man his own penchance for anger but it's all man's fault...

MOBJECTIVE: Why would one man have two Sons with differing opinions? Talk less of God.

So god intentionally sowed seeds of confusion so as to elicit hatred and warfare?

MOBJECTIVE: when you think of what you have written, you'll find it's nothing to laugh about.

I pray that the victims have Justice, the guilty priests be shown Mercy, onlookers refrain from judging and God renew his entire church (Catholic and non-Catholic) once again.

Why would a singular god have more than one church with contradictory dogma?

mrtruth: You can read.
Eastern is eastern - take note. Also I guess you can read that you never initially said you were referring to the religions from that part of the world.

The topic is about Islam.

I used the word "philosophy".

We are in the religion section.

You can't weasel out of your failure to understand basic English.