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The evidence we have shows that societies where religion is most prominent are the most unequal, with higher crime and infant mortality rates.

Good work.

I dare you to write a similar piece on the Catholic church.

Then others on the various Protestant churches.

Why would an all loving god give you a penis and a strong right hand if it is wrong to self-service?

Why should you feel guilty about your own body?

You people are stupid as anything.

If you think that 'demons' spread illness; if you believe that words offered to an imaginary friend lead to misfortune for others then you deserve to be sterilized - no one with such a ridiculous thought process should be allowed to breed.

infantrydoctor: Indian boko? Lol. Bro, l just have to worship. I entered a Bhudist temple on Thursday (for fun though), it was just like idol worshipping to me.

What's the difference between what they do and what you do?

The absence of a statue does that make you any better - you both plead to a dead man for assistance.

The OP sounds just like a junkie or an alcoholic.

They need their 'fix' of ignorance or they will not be able to survive the week...

According to the illogical claim made by the OP, most people on the planet are atheists.

logicboy01: Stop smoking weed, op

That's not a weed high, this is clearly the effect of opiates.

We need to get the OP into NA as soon as possible.

Sheep are meant to be fleeced.

If you give all of your money to a charlatan because he asks you to then you probably don't deserve to have it in the first place.

LOL.

GooseBaba: Kindly read and comprehend objectively. The examples clearly shows that they did not wait for manner to fall from their imagination. They acted on it and it can be measured... Independence, one Nigeria that type thing.

You even buttress my point. They made deals to accomplish something with their fellow man "reality." regardless of the outcome.

Your president asked for prayers, he goes around kneeling before his fellow man while hoping for change. Now tell me all the prayers and miracles happening in Nigeria, how can we measure it or know which prayer is responsible for any changes..

Now if you despise "one Nigeria" this is not the thread for that..

You are harking back to a halcyon day that did not exist.

They did side deals that were as self serving as the deals made by the various traditional leaders because it was easier to accept the crumbs than to fight for the whole loaf, if not the bakery itself.

P.S.
There had been calls for independence for at least 30 years prior to it being granted.

If you know anything about geo-politics you would know that a invading force does not cede ground unless they are granted "adequate" concessions. The only true form of independence is one that is fought for. If you were 'given' or 'granted' independence then in all likelihood you remain in the pocket of the entity that gave it to you. This was very much the case with Nigeria.

P.P.S.
I am very much in favour of a united Nigeria - you are seriously mistaken if you think otherwise.

GooseBaba: Plaetton,.. I concur..!

Chei... I grew up in an era where civil servants knew what it meant to be perform their duties for the greater good. I remember vividly how civil servants embraced the practical principles of checks and balance before greed eroded their common sense.

Just think about it for a minute. If the Awos, Ziks and Balewas were waiting for miracles in order to gain independence... Today we see a sitting president going on religious priglimage and asking citizens for prayers... Tufiakwa.!

It's amazing how majority of religious Nigerians now embrace an abstract as the "absolute" while belittling their senses.

The Awos , the Ziks and (especially) Balewa all went to London to make side deals with the Brits to the detriment of the greater good of Nigeria because of their inability to see what Nigeria as a whole could/should be and also due to a lot of coercion by an ailing colonial power.

Those are three terrible examples.


P.S.

The civil service in Nigeria has always been plagued by corruption. That has been the case since the colonial era. I have no clue as to why people talk of that era as though things were sweet. The difference between now and then is that the majority were even more ignorant as to the machinations of the government than they are nowadays.

plaetton: @mmsen

Can you see the what I am talking about regarding the T.B Clown Joshua tragedy?

These same people are already looking for the devil to blame it on. They are saying that an aircraft flew over the building and mysteriously made it collapse.
Again, they are basically ignoring the science. They are ignoring addressing the issue of structural integrity of a 6-storey building whose original foundation was for a 4-storey structure.

What even baffles me the most is that T.B clown Joshua has not publicly reached out to the families of the dead and injured to say anything meaningful.
I am pretty sure that he now more concerned with saving his phoney miracle empire.
No one cares about the dead . No one will take responsibility and no one will be punished.
Tomorrow, business as usual.

This is the kind of stuff that gets me boiling.
I have written two threads on this T.B clown Joshua as an example of our gross national lunacy, particularly on the negative effects that celebrated clowns like him have on our national IQ.

For TB Joshua see Pat Robertson.

plaetton: First, I have the great benefit and experience of growing up in two different societies.

Yes, I do believe that a lot of people are driven by a need to do what is good, to sacrifice for the benefit of others. I know that side of humanity.

My pain is that these days, in our Nigeria, the evangelical scourge have almost completely successfully rewritten and socially re-engineered what it means to be good.
That is the biggest problem that I see facing my society, and the main reason I am here everyday shouting foul.

With all due respect there is a clear lack if balance in your analysis of Nigeria. I have seen newspaper reports of walks done in aid of charities in Nigeria.

Too much of what you say comes down to this - Nigeria bad. Oyinbo good. Which ironically, inspite of your experiences growing up, seems to be a very typical Nigerian mentality. The self hatred is real...

plaetton: That's my point. We have come to accept a warped and perverted view of what it means to give.
Many many people would neglect the basic or health needs of their own kin , but would give 10x freely to their pastors and churches.

I have heard people refusing to help their relatives in the villages because pastor told them that villagers would use their money for juju and curse them. Therefore, they should give such money to invisible skydaddy via the pastor, to bless them.

My point is that a truly honest person who has love and kindness in his or her heart would not fall for such evil falsehoods, but many many do.
So one has to wonder what is in our hearts that we would easily neglect our duties and responsibilities to our fellow humans , but choose instead to placate a mythical invisible skymonster?

You really believe that it is 'love and kindness' that drives people to give to so called "good causes" and not lazy group think?

Have you not heard of the Ice Bucket Challenge...

plaetton: @mmsen
You are definitely right. There is indeed self hatred that is so common among Nigerians.

I used to think that Nigerians were the kindest people on earth.

I once went to an Anglican Church in Canada, a very small church, that emptied their treasury and raised a bit more to $8000 to rebuild dilapidated primary school in faraway Mali. I eagerly donated because it touched my heart.

Can or has Adeboye, Oyedepo or Oyaks raised or given a kobo to build or repair any schools in any remote village in Nigeria, let alone elsewhere?

This is the op.
Where are their hearts, especially in these times of great need all around them?
Are they hoarding their billions for Jesus?

Again.

No attempt attempt to analyse why.

Do people in Nigeria not give millions of naira to their churches on Sundays?

plaetton: This is where religion comes in. religion is used to mentally immasculate the people, to make them accept whatever circumstances and only look to an invisible skydaddy, whose ways are said to be mysterious.

Just look how many Nigerians, young and old, are looking forward to the rapture to whisk them on a magical spaceship to heaven.
Whereas, other people in other parts of the world are building spaceships to take them beyond our world for exploration.

Most people don't know that the space race , the race to colonize and collateralize space resources are already in high gear.
Recently, the US congress and senate quitely passed a bill that gave private US companies patent and property rights to whatever resources they discover in space. This, of course, is against a UN treaty regarding the property rights of space resources.

My point here is that , once again, we are asleep dreaming of invisibly skydaddy while the rest of humanity partition and share the vast and infinite resources of our celestial neighborhood and common wealth.

I take many of your points but something I take issue with is the constant claim made on this forum that is is an issue particular to Nigeria/Nigerians. None of what we are seeing in Nigeria with regards to religious groups abusing the weakness and desperation of the people is unique - that has been the foundation of every religion with more than 2 members in every part of the world. There is an issue of self-hatred amongst Nigerians that is not addressed that I find disturbing.

Most people anywhere spend their time sleep walking, hoping that something or someone else will take care of them.

You mentioned the rapture - the first time I heard anything about the rapture was not in Nigeria but in north America.

Oduduwaboy: Yeah. You are right up to an extent but we should also realise the prime position good & honest leadership plays in directing the masses in a society towards achieving certain goals & objectives. The Black race has been unlucky , in that, even in the 21st century we are still burden with inept leaderships in every aspect of our societies.

Good and honest leaders are not the norm, anywhere.

You are naive if you believe that this is an issue peculiar to 'the black race'.

Rights are never given, you have to demand them. Possibly kill for them. Leaders will only do what they can get away with.

If you act like sheep, you will be treated as such. Sheep are raised for slaughter.

In fairness to the Nigerian churches they are only doing what the Catholic church and the other denominations in various parts of the world have been doing for the longest.

One example:
The Catholic and Protestant churches preferred to stoke the flames of division and religious bigotry in Ireland rather than help those in grave need during the Potato Famine.

It's probably best that these mothers don't survive childbirth if they believe that their imaginary friend will save them.

Oduduwaboy: Hmmm. The ignorant people( someone called them sheeple) are not to blame but the religion-aristocracy who profit from the ignorance of the people. Its a depressing situation in this country.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Accountability? Are these people incapable of thinking for themselves? Their religious doctrine informs them that they are given free will.

Your mother must be very sore...

oluvick: How so?

There is no religion without compulsion.

I'm guessing that there were threats of violence, followed by actual violence.

Or privileges (or rights) taken away.

I used to go to meet hoes.

The average church is full of them.

You don't need to be original to make up a new fairytale - in fact it's probably better if you're not.

You need something that resonates with the audience so what could be better than a variation on a pre-existing tale?

If your god did not make Satan then he is not all powerful.

There is a force out there greater than he.

finofaya: Placate? Have I offended anybody or am I responsible for their happiness? Me I just de yarn o

I don't know why you care about being liked by delusional people.

OLAADEGBU: Really?

What about this Muslima? Does she make any sense to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYRknGgEc

Her criticisms are different from the other lady - hers are directed towards Saudi Arabia, not Islam.

One point that I found interesting is that she claimed that women are equal in duty and punishment which may be true in Saudi but is definitely not true in Western nations. This very point alone contradicts the premise of the first video. Women in Western nations are placated like children.

In short, the two videos have nothing to do with each other.

Ubenedictus: i guess you are talking from the atheistic POV.

How do we classify dogmas as "nonsensical"?

Foolish or absurd, unfounded.

Religious "faith" is based on the absence of reason - by default it is nonsensical.

Ubenedictus: now this made me laugh!

How misguided?

Are you asking for a list of nonsensical dogma?

Why expend energy attempting to placate sheep?