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RSA:
That explain the Happiest people on the planet theory

@ RSA

Back off this one. You are way outta ya league here.

cap28:
mandingo, the average nigerian lives in a fantasy world where they pretend as if the poverty, abuse of power, and grim misery of everyday life doesnt affect them - fela referred to them as people who suffer and smile.

Some people who are stuck in England in their 500sq feet flats are victims of what Fela refered to as "Kolo mentality". The have the audacity to talk about suffering and smiling 3000 miles away from home

They can't tell the difference between "thinking" they know and "knowing" they know


Morpheus says "FREE YOUR MIND"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usnznJZ0XvA

MandingoII:
Damn, when a few of you nigerians get of of Nigeria, you are quick to forget about the over 60% livng on less than $2 dollars a day.

so if Nigerians don't give a damn?

Should anybody else

That number is based on statistical inference not fact. It means 6 out of 10 nigerians spend $2 a day in entirety

You serious! common mama put bukateria for a plate of eba and egusi soup pass that amount, talk less.

Take a STATS class you dummy!!

JeSoul:
I think he should go and find a very long cherry-flavored lolli-pop and just suck on it to spare us the embarrasment of listening to his empty, senile rants. Could he say a thing or 2 that may be true and have substance? yes he could. But sorry if some of us lend him no credence - he has given us no reason to. Black extremism is just as bad as the white-colored one.

MandingoII:
Africans have always oppressed Africans:

the berbers gave the Nigerians goods and the nigerians gave the bebers slaves
the Portuguese gave the nigerians ALCOHOL and Guns and they oppressed Africans
The Oyo were slave traders and they OPPRESSED ALL the nigeirn tribes
the British joined in the slave trade and expanded it.
the british came back and colonized Africa and gave them the Bible
the Nigerian Bible thumpers did the British imperialist work and help the people to submit to imperalism
the British chose the Ibo's and westernized them.
When they left, they left the POWER with the Hausa's
the Ibo's balked and tried to separate themselves, Since they LIVED on the REAL WEALTH.
the Hausa's attacked the Ibo's and the yourba's (formerly oyo') looked on and cheered.
The hausa's triumped and eventually developed their area.
The yoruba and Ibos can't stand each other and are both Busted and blighted areas.
nowdays, everybody is poor except the politicians and drug dealers and thieves

and SHELL OIL RUNS that muthafugger

And the point is?

let me guess. There is injustice in the world we live in and people will always hurt other people.

Fine moral lesson we are learning here eh DIngo?

cap28:
sigh - its rather pedestrian of you to think that sociopaths have physically recognisable traits - its a lot more complex than that my friend, however i will say this, there are certain character traits that give them away, based on the debates that i have had with you and your responses, it is clear to me that you exhibit many of these character traits.

You like to  play with words do you now lad

Socio path; Definition
a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a[b] sense of moral responsibility [/b] or social conscience.

Given the above definition a socio path would include any one lacking a thought process requiring an application of morality or moral high ground. In order words lacking a sense of principles that would be generally accepted within a given society as just, right and equitable.

A simple analogy set forth for you in a previous conversation assuming your attention span is any good to recall this?  Anyways, In this conversation you managed to weigh in on the moral desert required in terms of of an act that would be considered "moraly wrong" and "UNJUSTIFIABLE" by general society. What did you say again about it?

Justify definition:

1. to show (an act, claim, statement, etc.) to be just or right:
2. to defend or uphold as warranted or well-grounded:
3. to declare innocent or guiltless; absolve; acquit

Yet you expect me to believe you can speak in terms of morality.

You mistake the ability to seperate "sentimentality" from "reason". A skill that you have demonstrated you lack.

Keep trying. It is you that has exposed yourself!

Morpheus says:  What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad."

cap28:
^^^^^^^^^^



bro you know him so well, look up the character traits of a sociopath - he ticks most of the boxes

You wouldn't know what a socio path looked liked if you ran up against one. Your definitions like your mind are limited to theoritical expertise. your objectives are nonsensical

Tell us what do we do with all this information that is regurgitated. Do we start a revolution? Do we arm our selfs? Do we participate and change government.

Oh yeah all we should do is seat in our heated apartments eating shish kebabs all day exposing how ruthless the powers that be are?

Right right

Keep it up History professor. You really are making a difference, besides concurring with an AFRICAN HATING "black" American mofo who's expertise is also limited to what he watches on the discovery channel about the dark continent.


MORPHEUS SAYS "KNOW THY SELF"

MandingoII:
cap

I created a thread to Morpheus because I  have a history with this Vain, Narcissistic and fantasy believing dude.  You see, I knew he would LIVE IN A THREAD CREATED TO HIMSELF.  Like he's some sort of "special being" requiring 'special recognition"  when in reality he's a garden-variety-cog-in-the-wheel, Willing to sell his first born for a McDonald's big mac.

he LIVES to kiss YT's a. rse like you wouldn't believe.  Why?

So HE can live a comfortable existence while forgetting about others and their lack of 'good luck'

Yeah we sure do go back Dingo. What is it now 3 or 4 years?

Still can't quite figure me out huh?

Oh about those 22's of yours.

They spinning N(#)##GA. THey still spinning!!!

YAWWNNNNNNNN!

Heard it all before.

Can someone please give us some new information. Like the US is also in contact with space aliens to buy advanced out of this world weaponry to sustain their IMPERIALIST EMPIRE.

Now that would be some interesting stuff!

[quote author=dell_net link=topic=634262.msg8018910#msg8018910 date=1301506716]What about the rest of the humanity? thats what cap28 point is. My point as well.[/quote]"Humanity". You better rephrase. I don't think he's concerned with "humanity"

You can choose my craft or better still Mr. Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam's black freedom bringers has an alternative for you. You can get on YACUB's  space shuttle and be whisked away to a utopia in heaven.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

http://www.thenationofislam.org/muslimlessontwo.html

[quote author=dell_net link=topic=634262.msg8018849#msg8018849 date=1301506265]cap28 you got a long shot to baptize this one. He thinks he is in the Matrix. He seem intelligent, got a hovercraft to fly him out to mass when the Armageddon strikes. Don't know if he is on the good side or evil side.[/quote]I've been baptized by fire and came out without a scratch.

The hover craft has space for you too. Try to get to your nearest phone exit soonas you see those nuclear weapons swishing past you in the skies

cap28:
^^^^^
no its because my fist keeps crashing into your bloated aging body

cap28:
^^^^^
no its because my fist keeps crashing into your bloated aging body

Nah! I'm pretty sure you are hitting air. Cause I'm still standing!!!

cap28:
^^^^

to be honest im getting tired of hitting you - sad old dinosaur

Its cause you are still hitting AIR!

cap28:
by the way i thought it was only 12 year old boys who quote lines from hollywood blockbusters - oh i forgot your iq is the equivalent of a 12 year old boy - oops

You can do better than that

Morpheus says "Stop trying to hit me and HIT ME!!'

cap28:
my message is not aimed at the technocrats you old fool, the technocrats are the elite who have a vested interest in retaining the status quo, no my message is aimed at the young people and this is not the only medium that i use to reach them, hahahah its not aimed at  bitter old men like you - no, your old brain is already contaminated with too much misinformation, its for the  young kids - the future, lets face it morpheus you are definitely not the future - your an old embittered dinosaur , your days are numbered, nobody gives a damn about you or your pathetic self hating diatribes.

Words of a young empty headed youngster full of foolishness. You are not very intuitive are you.

cap28:
not tooting my horn or anything but i do a lot of voluntary work in the community and i know the positive impact i have made in the lives of many young kids.

Right right. Your self awareness campaign.

cap28:
im sure no-one even cares about or acknowledges you or your opinions this explains why you have to log on to NL every day to get your daily dose of self affirmation - how sad.

MORPHEUS SAYS " How did I defeat you. You think thats air you are breathing."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d14jRsAobtk&feature=related

cap28:
got every right to be here man AND i also have every right to criticise the system - those are the perks of living in a reasonably free society - does it hurt you that im not trapped in naija with you - shuffering and shmiling?

I see you used the word "reasonably" Hmmm?

Right right! Inalienable rights bestowed upon you by who? huh and your job is to scream out loud I am black and proud all the way in your top floor 400sq feet flat
Wonder how many average Nigerians can hear you all the way from there?

let me guess,the message about the  IMF and World bank is reaching the technocrats in Nigeria and they scrambling to change things around?

Good strategy. let me know when you've mearsured the success of your results.

You really think anything you are doing is new?

cap28:
Not really - just in case you didnt notice  - we are a conquered people, still under the control of our former colonial masters,  nothing hypocritical about that,  thats just reality or is reality something you prefer not to deal with?

oh and by the way stop referring to yourself in the third person thats something that only people who matter should do not nobodies like you.

Hip hip hooray. we are conquered people!. We were too dumb to kinda figure that out.
Now tell us how the "knowledge" of this moves us to the next phase of enlightenment.

Stating  the "obvious" has nothing to do with self realization or self awareness.

MORPHEUS SAYS " EVERYTHING BEGINS WITH CHOICE"

cap28:
^^^^^

there goes the uncle tom again making excuses for oppression - or are you just showing UNDERSTANDING of it

Its not excuses my dear lad. Its beyond your scope of understanding. Don't take it to heart my dear boy!

At least you are consoled in your heated apartment living in the capital of your oppressor's country.

Remember "CONTEXT" is everything!

cap28:
dumb uncle tom sociopath whose whole life revolves around hating himself and wishing he could have massa's power - learn how to write grammatical sentences.

hahaha!

Maybe you should switch to writing in your native language. English is massa's language as well don't forget that.

A mastery of that is hypocritical don't you think?

MORPHEUS SAYS "I CAN ONLY SHOW YOU THE DOOR. YOU HAVE TO OPEN IT FOR YOURSELF"

MandingoII:
I see you filled with stereotypes. There are many traits of my people. However the DOMINATE trait that the crackas let out is the Negative stereotypes

like they aren't responsible for our oppression, past and current.

Romans oppressed Gaul and britian (white people)
Egyptians opprressed Libyans
Indo europeans opprressed dravidians
Greeks oppressed Arabs
Chinese oppressed Tibetians

What's your point?

cap28:
^^^^^^

pray that you never find yourself in the same terrible situation as those unfortunate rwandan tutsis, pray that if ever you find yourself in a position where your life lies in the hands of someone else , you will be man enough to apply the same argument about self interest and utility as you have been applying over the course of 4 pages here.

pray that you will be able to accpet the fact that the same self interest and utility analysis that you glibly refer to had to be made in order to determine whether or not your life was worth saving and pray that you will be able to come to terms with the fact that the decision to leave you to die was based on the fact that your life was simply not worth saving, not important enough to be bothered with and of no importance to anyone.

pray that you will face your demise like the man you wish you could be but never will be.
only a sociopath reasons and thinks like you - you have no iota of empathy for your fellow human beings, god help you.

let me reveal this much to you in case you think this is just classroom "intellectual" mumbo jumbo.

My antics are not subject to mere "theoretical philosophies" and classroom debates. I have experienced sentimentality at its fullest and at the end was still helpless to help anyone which is why I am able to seperate "sentimentality" from "reason"

Trust me on this one Cap28

I am definitely no coward by any means!!

cheikh:
morpheus24
@morpheus24
Pls, my bros, you are a very smart guy and you know very well that the so called 'information' or 'facts' are out there for everyone who cares to know; but of what use is information if not organised and disseminated within a 'context' by your own kind as to make it 'viable' or understandable? You may be right to call it 'propaganda' but is propaganda in itself especially of the 'variant'/type in this forum which you disagree with wholly bad? How many of us(Nigerians) really have access or know about the things you perhaps think are 'easy' accessible common knowledge?. I do understand you I hope , appreciate your concern and exasperation about 'tired' conspiracy theories. I think you're about solutions and not 'sermons' but I guess it's because you are already well informed and perhaps a little impatient with what you consider common knowledge etc. It's already stated that the reason and purpose is 'educational'. What exactly do you find offensive or insulting to your sensibilities? I believe you are very smart and can easily afford to overlook 'information' you find not too useful to you. There's no need to engage in petty sarcasm and insults. Be the bigger person and let it pass over you . It's unnecessary.

You hit the nail on the head regarding the highlighted areas.

My concern has always been to present information in its broadest of contexts so that you are truly informaing people and truly challenging them to think deeply and critically about any subject matter.

Telling people "one sided" so called facts is in my humble opinion not the way you make someone self aware of their surroundings or themselves. its self limiting

My 2 cents

MandingoII:
yeah, but NOTHING last forever, even your self-hate-projected-outward-thinking. These cracka mofo's on this planet will surely bomb each other to hell. hopefully i am long gone.

Like Cedric the entertainer said. We'll move to mars once they Fk this planet.

Don't worry I got a hover craft stashed in my basement., just let me know

cap28:
its called self delusion, nigerians like to think of themselves as winners even when the truth of failure is staring them squarely in the face, this lack of self awareness usually leads to a very rude awakening. In morpheus' mind he he thinks that by trying to allign himself with western imperialism that makes him a winner, unfortunately it just makes him look like a delusional self hater.

In cap28's mind altered state, associating himself with self realization"black conciousness" thinking is in "his mind"  the true sense of self awareness.

In reality he is still a slave to the 'system" he despises. Stuck in a "matrix" of sorts unable to truly unplug.

MORPHEUS SAYS: "You ARE LIVING IN A DREAM WORLD"!

cap28:
let me get this straight you are comparing an act of murder and cannibalism in order for 3 people to survive a shipwreck incident with the decision to leave 1 million people to die - can you clarify for me how these two scenarios can be compared? are these two scenarios of equal merit and even capable of being evaluated alongside each other 

the justification or reasonableness of a matter is determined by examining the context in which those decisions were made - ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT GIVEN THE CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION IN RWANDA IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE AND REASONABLE FOR AMERICA TO REFUSE TO SAVE 1 MILLION LIVES BECAUSE THEY STOOD TO GAIN NOTHING FROM DOING SO!!!!!

Don't ge hung up on the numbers. Its the concepts that are being examined here. The justification for the shipwreck act which you have agreed upon is "reasonable" therefore justifiable you based on the circumstances involved to the best of your knowlede. You made 'judgment" without the pre- consent of the sick man. You didn't ask him how he felt or if he wanted to live or die to rescue the rest of the shipwrecked individuals. How is this disimilar from what the US does? You weighed the justifcation on the remaining shipwreckers because to you they are still alive even if one life was lost.

In further examination, if the case was represented to you after the "fact" and it was discovered that the sick man had a wife and 10 children, a leper uncle whom he took care of, a paralyzed mother whom he paid medical expenses for, 7 nieces and nephews he was sending through school ,4 adopted children who lived with him and two grandparents that relied on him would that have changed your frame of reference. Would the killing of the sick man still 'EQUATE" the act as justifiable under your frame of reference.  Was it only one person that was truly hurt ? How different was your frame of reference from that of the US government?

You reasoned that the act was justifiable because of the percieved idea that only one person would be hurt and the rest of the people involved were secondary to the situation, therefore the magnitude of the offence could be considered reasonable and thus justifiable.  Why?


In making complex decisions without having all the facts in place forces countries like the US to take decisions that ultimately are percieved to be justifiable in their "frame of reference" but which may proof detrimental to others lives be it 10,000,  100,000 or 1 million people who perish.

Many individuals who like you justified the act on the shipwreck boat as an act of survival have committed the same grievous crime that they saw strongly point out that others committ.

The 1 million slaughtered was an after figure of the ethnic massacre that took place. The governments that did not intervene did not consider all the facts"same as you" when making their judgement calls on complex situations

If they did their justifications for not intervening might have been different as yours might have been or maybe would stay the same irregardless.

People die and are tortured every single day in this world facilitated by ruthless governments, dictators, hench men and the likes. You seem to turn a blind eye to these actions in the reasoning that 'black people" are somehow the only people the recieving end of these actions and US government is the sole source of such atrocities when in using a simple analogy to make a point, You fail the same test of standing upt to morality and ultimate goodness. You point out the act is evil and un-natural yet in the same vain find a way to JUSTIFY the act.


Wonder who is diggin holes for themselves, better stop now. You ego is getting the best of you. If you so wish though

Keep it coming!

I LIVE FOR THIS ISH!!


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They spinning N)#*%GA. They spinning!

cap28:
what is forgiveable and harmless about western imperialism morpheus?

Nothing.

That would imply "condoning the action"

Read the definitions again for in depth clarity.

cap28:
why would an african man regard as forgiveable and harmless the genocide of his own people morpheus?

He wouldn't. That would imply "condoning the action". Again read with clarity the definitions.

cap28:
what is understandable about leaving 1 million people to die morpheus?

CONTEXT is a very important issue in reading into situations.

You didn't help those people,haven't sent a cent to help any of them thus far. Are you not in the position to do so? What then gives you the moral high ground I may ask.

can't stand the sufferings of the Africans huh?

or you seek justice yet you agree that an unatural act is justifiable given the context of the situation.

Did you therefore condone the shipwreck dilemma or did you understand it in responding to the 'reason' for the justification of the act?

cap28:
morpheus you have used the above scenario in order to divert attention away from your morally bankrupt mindset, but i will respond all the same - in the above scenario you have 3 people who have resorted to carrying out an unnatural act of murder and cannibalism IN ORDER TO SURVIVE which is JUSTIFIABLE GIVEN THE FACT THAT THEY ARE  SHIPWRECKED and are trying to stay alive at all costs, in the case of the US govt what was the justification for leaving 1 million people to face a gruesome death which could very easily have been averted by sending troops to protect these people.

You therefore agree that an "unnatural act" is justifiable within the context of the shipwreck situation. Hmmmm?

You understood the scenario above with clarity in being presented with the entire story in context. Hmmmm?

In the case of the US's non intervention in Rwanda. The self interest scenario played out in the ship wreck situation plays out within this context. difference being only in terms of one being a defilement of the "law of nature" versus "laws established by men to govern action".

if the US refused to intervene in Rwanda on grounds of self interest and utility. You accuse that this is unjust in what moral context?. man's inhumanity to man?

The Rwandans that killed their own brothers comitted the atrocities against their own fellow "African brothers' without hesitation or moral thought in the same pursuit of self interest much as their fellow US government.

The arguement then becomes. Is the US justified in intervening in Foreign countries on the grounds of moral high grounds, spread of democratic principles and freedoms. No, they are not and I don't think they are fooling anyone into thinking such.

Is the US justificed in intervening in foreign countries on the grounds of self interest in regards to controlllig resources for its own use and power.

You answered the above question already in your response to the shipwreck dilemma presented to you. I think you are at least bright enough to correlate the two.

cap28:
why do you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into a hole 

Come with me and I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

MandingoII:
THESE COUNTRIES NEVER NEEDED THE IMG & WORLD BANK for NOTHING!!!!
THERE is a reason the U.S and Europe calls these countries,

Iraq
Iran
Lybia
Venezuela
Sudan

ROUGE COUNTRIES

and the ONLY reason is because they have OIL an the West wants to GANGSTER IT. and these countries says FUC. K NO!!!

these countries nationalize THEIR OIL and give the MONEY to the people, But the Capitalistic Countries in the U.S an Europe says NO, we want to make money off YOUR resources for OUR rich investors and thus the puppet government of the U.S. sends in air planes to kill little kids and pregnant women WHILE lying to the American public about WMD';s or a humananitarian crisis. Straight Bull Sh.!t!!!!!


All the media outlets gets their marching orders from CORPORATIONS with a vested interest in DELUDING the american fat and lazy public.

Hip Hip hooray . We have all the information we need.

cap28:
I didnt know i had to physically gain entry into a UN building, command a group of soldiers, step on to a battlefield and wage a war before i could be permitted to criticise the UNs failure to come to the rescue of 1 million africans?
So according to your unhinged mind, despite overwhelming evidence which is now in the public domain[b] PROVING THAT BILL CLINTON BLUNTLY REFUSED TO AUTHORISE TROOPS TO BE SENT TO RWANDA TO SAVE 1 MILLION AFRICAN LIVES i should keep quiet because the right honorable morpheus says so -  hahahahhaahha  [/b]

I am very sure you have never had access to any of the top echelons of the US govt but yet you feel you are qualified to endorse, support and DEFEND the atrocities committed by their govt WITHOUT BEING CHALLENGED  - why is that??

The bolded should be taken into context in regards to THE US INVOLVEMENT In SOMALI 1992-94 which caused an uproar domestically regarding sending troops to sub saharan African countries.

Bill Clinton was the incoming president at that time which coincided with the massacres that began in Rwanda. Present the information in context!

Keep it coming!

Ps don't call me the "right honorable" I know where you are getting that from. Thats insulting

cap28:
hahahahahaha i know i said i would ignore you but your craziness totally cracks me up-

Couldn't resist could you. Too predictable.

cap28:
so you acknowledge that western imperialism is "bad" and YET you regard it as "forgiveable and harmless".

Now now, slow down and read through again youngster. To regard as "forgivealble and harmless" would mean to condone. Point lost

cap28:
oh and you also  belieive that the selling of arms to both sides in a war is "bad" yet you beleive it is REASONABLE, you beleive the destabilisation of a sovereign state is "bad" and yet by the same token you beleive it is REASONABLE, you beleive leaving 1 million people to die when you could have intervened to save their lives is "bad" yet to you it is REASONABLE

you're doing a very good job of digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself without my help dont you think

You won't win this Cap28. Give up and stop trying to pin me into a corner. You won't win

I have posed this dilemma for you before as usual you seem to dodge the question quite well in putting matters into perspective.

If understanding an action within "reason" to you constitutes codoning that action then you need to go back to school and take a few more classess to stimulate your brain.



I will repeat the dilemma stated to you in previous posts you somehow seem to dodge responding to:

If 4 men are stuck on a ship wrecked boat and one of them falls seriously ill from drinking bad sea water. This sick man is eventually going to die and the remaining three individuals decide amongst themselves that in order to get back to their loved ones they will kill the sick man and eat his remains to survive and make it until they are discovered.
Is this action bad?
if it is on what moral grounds?
Who sets this mora high ground. Society or nature?
Is the action within "reason"

If the action is bad, is understanding the complexities of the situation a condonement of the action?

"If Cap 28 visited a prostitution house on a weekly basis because he had HIV and couldn't 'get it" from regular girls and I stated that I understand the reason he does that. Does that constitute "in support of

Is this action bad?
if it is on what moral grounds?
Who sets this mora high ground. Society or nature?
Is the action within "reason"

If the action is bad, is understanding the complexities of the situation a condonement of the action?


Listen youngster. You are better off never responding to me again. its like trying to make  small child understand that santa claus aint real before his brain can fully grasp the concept.