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MandingoII:
Muthafugga you got me twisted.

I chase MONEY & KNOWLEDGE.

you on the other hand chase after s/hit that boost your damaged Ego.

I've since grown past that level.


EVOLVE mutthafugga EVOLVE!!!

THe only reasonable response to the above would be;

HA!

MandingoII:
Stuck in his certitude, that only HE suffers from.

There is another bad habit all little boys suffer from:

Washing their A. rse.

so in conclusion morpheus is a mentally stuck dirty kid.


c'mon bruh, its time to grow the fugg up.

Aren't you supposed to be mindlessly chasing after flashing ambulance lights like the Typical Dingo you are. Thinking is for Humans.

You don't qualify.

Ruff ruff!. Down boy!

Sagamite:
Rebut a psycho's analysis?

Do you ever see me debate with Becomerich?

I don't debate with poeple with mental problems that live in their luluworld. What are you going to convince them about? That the sounds in their heads is wrong?

America is dropping bombs on Iraqi civilians at this very moment is what I should rebut? You must be mad!

Russia said this and that is what I am suppose to rebut? You must be mad! You can as well tell me what Sudan/Burma said.

America is trying to recolonise Africa with Africom and that is what I am suppose to rebut? You must be mad! Like if they don't have military bases in Japan/ South Korea/ Germany/Bahrain and co.

Weyree!

Conspiracy theorist, conjecture throwing, tin-foil hat wearing, psycho mooron!

hehehehehehe!!!

2muchlogic:
Its time to deliver another lyrical beatdown!
Your limited kowledge is making you look like a poor soul indeed; if you want to present a logical argument you start it with a VALID premise otherwise those who attempt to give a logical analysis will give an invalid conclusion.

State the invalidity of the premise/analogy. In other words state the error in the structure or content.

2muchlogic:
Oh no! That means you want me to COMPLETE an incomplete analogy – do it yourself lazy pants.   

And its incomplete because?

2muchlogic:
Morpheus attending a Job interview for an Actuarial Officer

job interviewer:      “morpheus what are your qulifications”?
morpheus:             “I am smart”
job interviewer:            “But what did you study and where”?

orpheus:                    “Look I am smart! Would it make any difference if I told you I dropped out of school”?
job interviewer:           “Yes it would you dummy, get out of here”!

The above a is a loose string of informaton with no linked cause and effect scenario nor inductive or deductive reasoning. This is logical fallacy.   I went for a job interview. I am smart. I dropped out of school. I am still smart.  Doesn't make sense

2muchlogic:
An argument is made up of a premise and inferences which allow logical minded individuals to reach a VALID logical conclusion.  YOU NEED TO GIVE A COMPLETE ANALOGY otherwise, one might as well ignore you – get it now thicko?

Huh. Read the analogy again. Event A causes event B whcih casues event c and D. An inductive arguement linked  to a sequence of events with a causality 

2muchlogic:
I CANNOT ANALYSE INCOMPLETE INFORMATION – I refuse to sink to your level!

Then don't.  incomplete information is not the same as illogical information

2muchlogic:
Oh no!!! you are so ignorant! How can you reach a conclusion when the premise is INVALID?  Thats like saying you can enter a concert with a fake ticket. 

Again state the reason the premise is invalid. The chain of events in the analogy are linked by cause and effect in which one can inductively infer upon.

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cap28:
No im telling you that you're getting seriously bit.ch slapped by 2muchlogic -

You GORRILLA's should stop beating your over sized hands on your chest.

Apart from name calling which is the usual attempt at distractions and straw man arguements you haven't really done anything.

Point to the part of his response that is rebutal. "The cause/effect reference or the culture informs logic part."

I'll tear him another hole on those two. Nonsensical nonsense if you ask me my dear chap!

cap28:
^^^^^^
- i love watching you getting your ar.se whupped

You fools amaze me.

What part of his reply is an arse whooping!. The fact that he ranted about cause and effect logic or the part where he talks about culture informing logic. He couldn't even weave that into the analogy. That's real smart.

Please! 

Cap28: What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?
Morpheus: No. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.

2muchlogic:
stop, stop, stop ! This really exemplifies my point, you are a house niG&*A slowpoke trying to sound intelligent. Your statement has revealed your low self-esteem and lack of knowledge.

Ones culture determines the nature of ones logic; you look at everything through the eurocentric lens then try to judge Africans.  Thats like giving a short-sighted person a long-sighted lens.

Your premise is weak, false, over-simplified – at best featherbrained! With such a false premise a logical person can only conclude that the rest of your incoherrent rant is INVALID.

Where did Kingpin get the drugs from?

How did Kingpin introduce the drugs? The term 'introduced' in this context is completely, ambiguous.

Why are the so called “black people” portrayed as passive?  Everything was from the kingpin viewpoint.  The dehumanization of the Africans is biased in favour of Kingpin – due to the fact that every action has a reaction, which you failed to mention.  This further dampens your premise to a comical level, now go back and make another attempt to construct a VALID ARGUMENT.  what a twit!

I really don't know what you going about there. the analogy is limited to the context in which it was written. If you wish to explore additional information to build on an arguement then say so.

If I added information that the KINGPIN got the drugs from his COCA plantation in columbia what does that do for you in response to the premise or the questions asked?

If I told you he "introduced the drugs via dropping them off in truck loads in the middle of the night, how would that clarify anything for you?

The black people are "passive' using your interpretation. The inference is made by you not me. What particular information insinuates this?

You haven't really said anything intelligible or provided a logical rebutal other than a mention of cause/effect logic. Calling people names you read from 1960's black liberation movement books does not lend any credence to anything you are saying?

For a premise to be false or INVALID it most contain illogical conclusions. You haven't stated what they are?

TRY AGAIN!

cdoffx:
that's exactly the situation in Africa and that's why i said the lizard will not enter the wall unless there is a hole in it. The kingpin ,regime and the soldier are to be blamed

If each of these groups are to blame then who do you eliminate to effect change and if you do how do you resolve the issue that the drugs are already in the system and people will continue to fight to control what is left over?

cdoffx:
but if the people know what is good for them they better unite and find solution to there problem. But the problem most've been so blindfolded that they do not see the problem let alone find solutions. the truth of the matter is you understand point well what is happening but most of the people argueing in line with you just don't see the true picture of thing because from your analogy you assert neo-colonialism just that its our leaders that are selling us out

People deal with immediate tangible problems they can solve before graduating to more complex ones that require more time and effort. A hungry man in ijebu does not really care who flies the planes that brings weapons into the country. He is primarily concerned about his food supply. You cut that off and he sees himself as worse off. This kind of man will continue to be easy to manipulate no matter how much you change the variables who is flying that plane, what time they are landing and how you can stop them from landing in your territory. The underlying problem is stil there.

Solve that riddle and you are half way to solving your "real" problem.

Peep this analogy out in terms of  logic:

KINGPIN introduced drugs into harlem and his 'diabolical plan" was to subjugate the oprressed black people and keep them in control so he can exploit them.

He distributed the drug via drug dealers to all street corners in harlem. He cut the drug dealers a good deal to purchase his drugs to SELL to their people.

in turn these drug dealers formed mini mafia syndicates with middle men soldiers, regimes and corners they controlled.

There is a turf war between two major groups on who is to control the entire supply and distribution of drugs. They start terrorizing their neighbourhoods, killing indiscrimnately mass number of civilians

The KINGPIN notices that his business will be interupted by this rift. He strategizes and notices that siding one particuar group will benefit than the other. He props this side up with weapons and information about the other group. With the help of his intervention, one group wins. The drug trade continues. Th KINGPIN gets his cut.

Using inference.
Who is to blame for the mayham being caused. The KINGPIN, the Regime, the soldiers, the people?
If the Kingpin let the turf war go on, in what way would that benefit the people involved?
If we are informed that there is a diabolical mastermind behind the inflitration of the drugs into our community, how does that equip us to make changes?
What changes are necessary to salvage the community. Do we revolt? Do we talk about it? Do we rant and rave? What is the end goal?

Apportioning blame is all well and good but that's self defeating logic because at the end of it all. The system is still the same. You haven't changed the variables. THe players are the same and the situation is the same.

How would you approach a resolution to this problem?

cap28:
where do you get all this drivel from, how does fighting an inner battle with oneself equate to self hatred in your book, most normal people constantly experience inner battles it is all part of enlightenment - human beings are not static creatures they are dynamic and in seeking knowledge, internal turmoil becomes part of the growth process,  unless of course they are like you in which case they remain stagnant or regressive.

A Progressive state of mind requires an evolutionary process to take place. Social constructs such as Race, color, ethnicity, language, culture and the likes are the "means to an end". They are not absolutes. Therefore they cannot be truly relied upon and are fluid in nature. They are simply stimuli interpreted by our brains in trying to understand what is beyond our reach. Thats the dynamism .

cap28:
in your own case you are stagnant because you are so afraid of loosing your material comforts, thats why you cant even stand up for the truth, you prefer to bow down and kiss your white slave masters arse and then pretend as if you are just being realistic and practical - unfortunately for you i see thru your bull.sh.it   -you are mentally enslaved, you see yourself as being unworthy and inferior to the white man - thats why you accept his abuse and degradation of your own people unquestioningly, you are mentally in chains you are ashamed of your race and your culture, i cant think of a worse mental state than that, you see nothign good in your own race and people, you make excuses for all manner of atrocities meted out on you by people who enslaved your ancestors and still treat you as a member of an inferior race and yet you have the audacity to call me a slave - hahahahahaha

Shedding the desires for material comforts is understanding that they are not necessary to survival or sustenance. Thats too easy for me.

Race is a construct in your mind. It has meaning only to what you or any other fool attachs to it. Therefore it is not an absolute and only as real as what you make it to be.

An inferiority complex is only evident when one is battling his innermost innate desires to control something he wishes he had and power to do his will over someone else in relation to what he percieves in the physical world as real and he is able to manipulate. Thats static. You miss the point!

Morpheus says: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead,  only try to realize the truth.              
             Cap28: What truth?
        Morpheus: There is no spoon.
             Cap28: There is no spoon?
        Morpheus: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

Guyman02:
The picture of a subdued captured Gbagbo reminds many Africans of Patrice Lumumba, Congo's first prime minister, shown here sitting in the back of an army truck the day after his arrest in 1960. He was killed a month later.

Remember Patrice Lumumba? Captured by the colonial power handed over to the opposition, We know the rest of the story. Plus The Congo has never known peace since then.

Patrice Lumumba who helped win Congo’s independence from Belgium in June 1960 was a passionate nationalist who failed to tame this volatile ‘state without a nation’ containing many different ethnic groups. His fiery and controversial independence day speech culminated with Nous ne sommes plus vos macaques! (We are no longer your monkeys!),* but Belgium continued to interfere. It backed a rebellion in the southern province of Katanga, and Lumumba sought Soviet aid to quell the rebellion. Within ten weeks, he was toppled by a military coup backed by the CIA.
He was put under house arrest, while a CIA officer was dispatched with a tube of poison toothpaste. Before his assassin arrived, Lumumba escaped from his house arrest, but rearrested from a plane in Elizabethville. He was beaten and humiliated in front of diplomats and journalists, and was on the truck that would inevitably carry him to his execution when the above picture was taken. It was Lumumba’s last photo. A month later, he was executed — put up against a tree and shot by a firing squad directed, so it seems, by Belgian army officers. His body was buried on the spot, later dug up, and dissolved in acid. The bones were ground up and scattered to the winds to make sure there was nothing left of him. The colonel who deposed Lumumba, Joseph Mobutu (later Mobutu Sese Seko) would rule the country despotically until 1997 and proved to be an utter embarrassment for the West, with his Mao suits, cult of personality and nepotism.

History lessons again. I love sentimentality. Pointless but powerful none the less

cap28:
You i.diot my location has nothing to do with who i am and what i belieive in, cant you get that thru your thick skull, you are in africa and yet look at how you reason, you defend an imperialist intervention of a sovereign state, you defend the fact that these same imperialists stand by and watch Ouattara and his goons, mow down innocent men women and children, and gang ra.pe women in front of their husbands - are you normal at all!!!!!

And sitting in your 400sq feet flat screaming at a computer screen about imperialist atrocities is really doing the world any good. Really.

You don't really care about those women or despoil victims do you really now, otherwise you would get your azz off that couch and head back to where you are really needed. Challenge yourself more. It does wonders for the mind!

Forrest Gump: s.t.u.p.i.d is as s.t.u.p.i.d does!

cap28:
someone should drop you out of a plane into the mayhem and chaos that is currently underway in ivory coast, perhaps when you witness the gang rap.es, the slitting of throats of old people, the stench of rotting human flesh on the streets , your brain will kick into action - s.tupi.d coward.

HA!. Notice the one laugh.

I can bet my last cent that between you and I. i have see far more mayhem than you will ever encounter sitting in your flat flipping through news feeds and Youtube videos!.

Morpheus says: Is that the best you can do!

cap28:
vamoose, you fool, all those years of cleaning up the shi.t and pi.ss of elderly white people in those american retirement homes has made you eternally grateful to your white slave master, i dont blame you without white massa your entire family in nigeria would have died of starvation , ah beg place your head back where it belongs -in between massa's butt cheeks.

You really think the above garners you any credibility.

Who makes the food you eat? Eh those kebabs don't come from Africa do they?

Who supplies heating to your 400sq feet flat. Don't think its Nepa is it?

Who do you pay your 40% tax rates to? Definitely not Ghadaffi

Pot calling kettle black.

Morpheus says: Come on stop trying to hit me and HIT ME!

cap28:
^^^^^^

thank you bro you've described this self hating sambo down to a tee - gutless and balless to the core.

A man who is fighting an inner battle with himslef is one who truly hates himself. He does not understand his position in  equilibrium with the world or nature.  he laccepts labels and affiliations that make him feel self worth when in reality he is no one and is in desperate need of power to satisfy his ego and desire to control his own destiny.

I will not be bamboozled by the likes of you. You are many that speak the same tongue but you are not free. You are still slaves.

Morpheus says :Everything that has a beginning has an end Cap28.

Bishopking:
mopheaus is a typical house N!gg3R. on another thread, he attacked me 'cos I posted a quote on Outtara's wedding being officiated by Nic Sarkozy. I simply ignored him. The dude is a white apologist.

I gave you anothe scenario regarding your post on conspiracy theorism. You didn't address that issue cause you couldn't.

I dare you to make a fool of me cause I did that to you. You must think I started this game yesterday.

2muchlogic:
cap, why are you wasting time on educating the lost souls? some of us are born to lead and other are born to follow. There would be no balance if we were all leaders or all followers - you are needed here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-642516.0.html

Where are you leading us too. That fictitious utopia where all black people are free of the opressor and living in harmony with one another under the umberalla a unified black race.

Wolfs in sheeps clothing is worse than the blind leading the blind.

Decipher that!!

cap28:
Its funny how you refer to a similar situation happening in nigeria when it has already happened - have you forgotten June 12 1993? did IBB not annull the election and transfer power to abacha in complete disregard of the wishes of the nigerian people, can you explain why the west did not intervene then to restore MKO to his rightful position? didnt IBB hold nigerian to ransom? wasnt there wides scale violence and killing of many of MKO's supporters by the police and military? IBB unilaterally annulled an election , did anything happen to him, did the west send UN troops to bomb him out of the presidential palace.

[b]the problem with people liek you is that you cant think critically, learn to understand situations holisticall[/b]y instead of accepting western propaganda - a US senator is going on record to say that there was massive electoral fraud and that ouattara did not win the presidential elections , listen to him describing how ouattara's trooped lined up men women and children against the wall and put bullets in their heads, listen to how women were gang violated and had their throats cut by ouattara's troops, listen to how foreign UN troops cried when they saw the brutallity meted out by ouattara's troops to young men women and children :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3pUE9_Syg0&NR=1

the senator puts it very poignantly when he says noone cares about sub saharan africa.

Hmmm. THat line sounds familiar. Where have I heard it before. I wonder?

Sagamite:
I hate mooorons with a paaassion.

I keep on telling you all mooorons make the world a less happy and safe place for the rest of us to live in. You will say Sagamite is insulting.

@sagamite

I thought I was the only one who could see through some these conspiracy theorist,  black supremacist, IMF obsessed, Neo-colonial hating babbling buffons. Wolfs in sheeps clothing who would do exactly the same thing if given the opportunity. I was almost beginning to think the world was going mad.

Carry on please!

I dey your side!

DeeJay20:
I expect better from guys like you Morpheus, please research the so-called
President elect wife dealing before posting here, Comments based on surface knowledge
is meaningless,

You are absolutely right. I will investigate the facts of the matter.

The other comments is based on the insinuations of posting the pic without the facts.

DeeJay20:
Dude u need to chill wit that bullsh**

Only The People in Ivory Coast "in the Know" know the kind of
Economic sapping they are going to endure under this "Alassane Ouattara"
of a guy. I know that Most African leaders do not have the act together but the
french did what they did because of the obvious gains they are going to make
based on the picture below,

IVORY COAST BEHOLD YOUR "SO CALLED" PRESIDENT ELECT AND HIS JEZEBEL FIRST LADY!!![

[img]http://bossip.files./2011/04/alassane-dominique-ouattara.jpeg?w=600&h=272[/img]

RECONIALISATION IS BEING ATTEMPTED BIG-TIME BUT IS GONNA FAIL!!!

Picture spamming Propaganda at its best.

Kofi Annan is married to a white lady as well. I guess he's a traitor to Ghana and Africa as well.

You rubbish is appealing to simple minded folk.

lovejo:
western world are putting extremist in power without due process , we will see the outcome in few years to come, where is africa sovereignty.

They will continue to bully us because we continue to act stupid in disguise of African soverignty rights.

MyJoe:
Maybe. But you and I know that (referendum) isn't likely to happen. Africans tend to place these European-made borders at the level of God. Even if a referendum were to take place, don't bet the people will vote for a separation - listen to them talk, they like to pretend they have no issues of ethnicity, "it's the Europeans dividing us!" Still even if that wasn't the problem, the question of who will vote in the referendum would still arise, with Ivoriteans defining would be qualified to vote and who would not be. So I doubt that is a practicable solution. It would be far better if they got a statesman who will preach unity, draft a new constitution on citizenship and encourage the people to adopt it, settling the issue once and for all.

Excellent suggestion!. I concur

EzeUche:
Let us not forget that Gbagbo did get 45% of the vote. I fear for Ivory Coast now, because 45%, meaning almost 10 million people who voted for him, are not going to be happy now that he has been captured.

A democratic process requires rule by a majority 'will" with strong minority rights in place. The 45% is a minority which must be taken into consideration when ruling. It will be disaster if not.

Bishopking:
"Ouattara married his wife, Dominique Nouvian Folloroux, in a 1990 wedding ceremony officiated by the then Mayor of Neuilly-sur-Seine, Nicolas Sarkozy."
is this a coincidence?

Gbagbo lived in exile in France? Could it be the reason why he has been in power. Isn't that a coincidence as well.

Stop these innuendo's please

tunnytox:
@superboi
Don't bother trying to convince many posters here who have obviously been brainwashed by the western media, for those who think Gbagbo's arrest will signal the end of this war you'll be disappointed because there are still many disgruntled southerners who believed their country is being overun by foreigners, by the time these one's start their rebel movement I'm sure Quatarra will have a lot to deal with

Here we go again with the brainwashed media thingy again. Really!

Blazing99:
France is really waxing their waning muscle. I can understand why they can in Ivory Coast, but Libya's really non of their business. I hope there's peace in Ivory Coast after this. I really hope there is.

Africa still remains a western colony till date. Quite a shame.

Sarkozy's policy to reposition themselves as a European power. The short comings of an ethnic Polish descendant trying to convince himself of his Frenchness.

He probalby has that napoleanic sydrome thing going for him too, Short little man.

superboi:
Guy if you have been following CIV since 2000 you would know that after Gbagbo was sworn in Quattara made a promise to make the country ungovernable for him. In 2002 a rebel movement led by Soro started in the north backed and armed by France and logistically supported by Campore(Burkina Faso). The rebels openly said that their leader was Quattara and they would not be peace in CIV until Quattara rules,
See go search for Quattara policies and Economic decision then you would see why the French will kill for him, Nuff said

The above has nothing to do with The concept of IVORITE in terms of who started it. Quattara and soro mutinied because of the very concept introduced by the South against the north. Again the southerners did not know how to handle the inclusion of the multi ethnic make up introduced into their country psot 80's and started staring up ethnic tensions which are evident in today's politics, France or no France.

barnabasj:
CNN) -- The self-declared president of the Ivory Coast, Laurent Gbagbo, was arrested Monday, the French Embassy in that country said.

Security forces of the Ivory Coast arrested him, the embassy said.

A Gbagbo adviser, Ahoua Don Mello, said earlier that the French military had stormed Gbagbo's residence.

Gbagbo's refusal to cede power triggered a political crisis in the West African nation.

Omo see as dem hold the guy. THey should have arrested him with handcuffs instead of holding his shirt like a tug. Protocol for Africans na wah!

superboi:
Way back in various book on the sub region when i was in school(University),
Or you can check up Ivorian blogs it common knowledge.
It would be best if you can get any book on the Ivory coast written between 1997-2000 before this conflict started. You know truth suffers in war time.

Can you reference one you read that stated this explicitly. If my memory serves me well. THe Ivorite was introduced by Henri Bedie against immigrants and northerns who were of mixed identity Alassane Quattara being a prime example of a non indigene.

What political sense would it make for him to initiate such a concept knowing his own origins. Doesn't make a squatt of sense.

superboi:
Ochuko nay you need to cleanse your self from your CNN induced history lessons,
[b]Ivorite was introduced first when Quattara was prime minister and acting president and he probably did it to impress the late dictator and the thing boomaranged on him like the coup law and Obasanjo.[/b]I am not a Gbagbo Fan as you put it but I believe in Soveringty of any Nation and the French and UN in case have clearly dug thier own pit because when China and Russia start to do their own they no go fit talk.

Can you reference me to where you got the information on the bolded part to verify

It was inevitable. His last hand was played in show of defiance. He knew this was coming.