₦airaland Forum

Horus:
We Africans need to start now in empowering ourselves as Europe continues to spiral downward. Yes, Europe is on verge of economic collapse, but should we care about Europe?. We need more to focus on what is beneficial to our survival and economic stability in Africa.

@The human race is not in a "RACE' to out do itself. Where one survives, all survive. Do not live like your enemy or you become your enemy. We have always needed each other to survive. The issue is with focusing on preditory survival instincts instead of cooperation which is a unique trait in the Human species,


"Umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu" ( A person is a person through other persons)

MandingoII:
like u knew it all along?

Are you threatened by my superior intellect.

Its a Nigerian thing lol

Light dey for Wuse II

I just buy recharge and light nyafu nyafu!!!!

I just came back from Yola not too long ago and light nyafu for there too.

Lagos no be Nigeria

@ meddler

There are a lot of facts to consider when relocating. As previously advised, you must plan ahead. You will need a good sum of money to start off.
AS far as accomodation. If you can bunk with you parents for a while that will be a good idea and then go from there exploring relatively good places to stay in. this will safe you a lot of hassle.

I would recommend Wuse II, a little pricey but the benefits of staying here pays out in the long run. You are probably looking at flats from N900,000/year.

When you finally get in and have aclimitaized for a couple of months you need to start making contacts and looking for a job(while of course living off your savings int he mean time).

If you do not find a job immediatley I suggest using your survival skills or your comparative advantage to start turning a profit.

If you have the patience and the drive you will make it in Nigeria.

you just catching up to that reality. Mmmmm

Kobojunkie:
[size=14pt]ANC to discipline Youth League leader as racial tensions mount[/size]
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article7101296.ece


South Africa’s ruling African National Congress has indicated that it will take disciplinary action against Julius Malema, the outspoken leader of its influential youth wing.

The move comes as the Government faces violent protests over its failure to deliver on promises to the townships and mounting racial tensions ahead of this summer’s World Cup.

[size=13pt]Mr Malema, 29, is accused of inciting racial hatred by singing a song that includes the words “Kill the Boer” and of breaking the party’s official line on Zimbabwe by praising Robert Mugabe’s grabbing of white farms, saying that such land reform policies needed to be adopted in South Africa. [/size]

Challenged on his labelling of Zimbabwe’s Movement for Democratic Change party as “imperialists”, Mr Malema threw a BBC journalist out of an African National Congress (ANC) Youth League press conference after calling him a “naughty person” and “bloody agent” with white tendencies.

His actions coincided with the brutal murder of the far-right white supremacist Eugene Terre’Blanche. President Jacob Zuma, speaking a day after Mr Terre’Blanche’s funeral, which exposed bitter racial divisions and embarrassed the Government, said that many of Mr Malema’s actions were alien to the tradition of the ANC and called for restraint.

[size=13pt]Over the weekend the ANC let it be known that Mr Malema, who has also called for the nationalisation of the country’s mines, would face a disciplinary hearing later this week — a move that could split the party. [/size]


[size=13pt]The Youth League, formerly a strong supporter of Mr Zuma, has been involved in an acrimonious war of words with the party’s communist and union wings over policies and benefits received by many ANC fat cats, whose lifestyles are way beyond what their salaries would normally allow. [/size]


Mr Malema has no policy-making role, but mobilised many young South Africans to vote for the ANC in last April’s general election, even though many feel that the end of apartheid has not delivered the benefits they were promised. 


Reports said that Mr Malema would soon be called before a disciplinary committee, chaired by the ANC’s Derek Hanekom, a white deputy minister in the Cabinet.


Gwede Mantashe, the ANC secretary-general, has written to him, detailing the charges that could lead to punishment ranging from a reprimand to expulsion.


South Africa’s Sunday Times reported that the charges included promoting racism, sexism, tribal chauvinism, religious and political intolerance. It said that youth league officials would meet with the ANC high command today to agree the details of the hearing.


[size=13pt]Last month Mr Malema was found guilty of hate speech for comments made about a woman who had accused Mr Zuma of despoil. [/size]


Mr Zuma, who once described the youth league leader as a potential future president, has been under huge pressure within the party to demonstrate stronger leadership after he became embroiled in a intimacy scandal involving his polygamy and his fathering of more than 20 children from different women.


[size=13pt]“The ANC Youth League is not an independent body. It exists within the umbrella policy and discipline of the ANC,” he declared. He added a warning to all of the ANC’s leaders to “think before they speak, as their utterances have wider implications for the country”. [/size]


Mr Terre’Blanche, 69, was the latest victim of a wave of farm murders that has claimed the lives of more than 3,000 mainly white farmers in 15 years.

wow!. Like some of us hadn't predicted that this was going to happen. Wonderful insight into the workings of the ANC.

Now pay attention to the next following predictions so you are aware how some of us already understand how this game is played.

1. Malema will become the fall man as the ANC seeks to appear neutral in matters concerning RACE.
2. An obvious side show to deflect the real concerns of the inability of the ANC to resolve issues concerning social welfare of the state(poor and working class)
3. A move to apease the international invesing community and to distract the communist and unionist wing of the party that have been aggrevating the ANC for quite some time.(ANC is buying time until after teh World cup).
4. Malema may be sidelined but will not be dismissed as the president of the youth league rather he will be given an alternate position but will remain within the party and will be groomed to reappear at a later time.

The BBC is truly unbelievable regarding their sensational reports on this ongoing fiasco and South Africa. Truly unbelievable I tell ya!

@kobojunkie

My responses include the ff:
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Horus:
How is it fair that Julius Malema's song kill the Boer was banned but these filthy pink racists are allowed to wave the apartheid flag and make Nazi salutes ?

obviously south africans are still straddling the lines between freedom of expression and what is construed as racist symbols or racist agendas plus the WC is comnig up so people are kinda trying to downplay a lot of whats going on so it does not end up affecting the upcoming event


There a lot riding for SA on this onel

Kobojunkie:
LOL . . . . Ricks List for CNN ?? ROFLMAO!!!


But, hope you at least heard that even he(since you have chosen to state his view is a balanced one **cough**) agrees that Malema is a RACIST official, a high official of the ANC for that matter. We are talking about a man who his own colleagues do all not to speak against for fears that they might loose their jobs or place. Yet, you have been trying to tell us here till now that he was not being racist in that video.

Did you also hear the reporter who states that majority of the south africans are not as RACIST as Malema is? so your claims that he represents the majority/poor is rubbish.

Do I have to clarify stuff for you all the time. O yeah its your debate stratgey. Ssshh.
Rick's report is more balanced in comparison to the BBC's. In the report it gives a view of both sides by presenting them side to side. and then completing it by allowing a south african CNN correspondent to further elaborate  and in essense giving the viewer the option to make a decision as to what conclusion to come to

Again let me clarify for you since it is quite diffcult for you to understand my statments. Malema represents the majority poor and working class south African frustrations. Instead of repeating points I have presented why not provide evidence to the contrary. You will appear more competent

Most likely you can't and are simply making it up as you go on and actually learning about this guy by reviewing evidence I have presented. Why don't we agree on this so we can stop wasting time with each other since there is no real debate here. You have accepted the view that Mr. malema is a racist based on the information you have been presented with. End of story.

If there is anyone out there who can actually present evidence of racist PROPAGANDA by Mr Malema please let me know . I would like to see it.

Ps Shouting at a reporter and saying "white tendency" and singing songs duplicated by numerous ANC members does not suffice.It has more to do with being PC

shotster50:
Kobo you are wasting your time. You dont expect them to stand down. It is not your fault they cannot see Malema for what he really stands for. A country like SA having gone through something as despicable as the apartheid is bound to produce people like Malema and Terre Blanche.

Wow! such an insiteful comment. I guess we were too dumb to realize that,

See below a balanced reporting of the ongoing situation by CNN. Again by CNN,

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/04/14/ricks.south.africa.racism.cnn

Kobojunkie:
When it comes to RACISM , I don't believe what you have above applies. If you however say it does, then it makes sense for one to believe that you are also see/saw Terreblanche in much the same way. Essentially, the same views you have of Malema apply when you analyse Terreblanche's legacy? Or is this UNBIASED view of yours one-sided?

To a certain extent I do view Terreblanche in much the same light but it boils down to the evidence presented of labeingl one a Racist.

Terreblanche's movement is the reminants of Boer nationalist parties dating back to british colonial times. The evidence of the charge of Racism is as follows:
Terreblanches' group have clearly and unequivocally STATED that they do not wish to integrate with Black people. Julius Malema or the ANC has never called for seperation of the races or anything close to that.

The AWB have demonstrated their refusal to intergrate or live in equal standing with blacks by disrupting  and further engaging in VIOLENT attacks on a parliament building in an effort to undermine talks and in the process there were VIOLENT clashes in which some of their men were killed. Julius Malema has not been implicated in any violent activity

Mr Terreblanche was charged with a vicious assault and attempted murder of a black farm worker on the basis that the worker was inferior to him therefore he could met out such treatment on the boy without consequence. Mr Malema has not been charged of any crimes relating to race.

Mr Terreblanches and his members continue to live in isolated communities away from blacks. Mr Malema livesin a community thatis majoirty white occupied.

Despite the above  stated , Mr Terre blanche's views can be rationlized however in comparison to Mr malema I see no evidence to the charge of RACIsM as it is understood by us today. If this is unbalanced please kindly correct

Kobojunkie:
Ummm.  . .  journalists are usually not there for THOSE In the room. Even the 5% in the room  who did not know have a right to know, or don't they?

Rephrase: South Africans in general at the time of the interview are aware of the fact that Julius Malema lives in Sandton. In articles concerning Malema the BBC has stated the fact of accusations that have been leveled against Malema concerning Living in Sandton. Please refer to BBC news homepage for details.

Kobojunkie:
Malema was lambasting others for working out of air-conditioned rooms somewhere in Sandton, I don't know why stating that he also lives in Sandton is out of the question, and merits the response the journalist got from Malema. On interruption, journalists USUALLY do that, it is almost to be expected, even in the white house.   He is a public official and last I checked there are no rules against public officials taking questions or comments when they are not ready for them.

On the same note Malema is known to be combative with reporters and has created many an outburst. The BBC correspondent should not be surprised nor insulted as this is common pratice by Mr. Malema. in fact I dbout he is and relishies the iconfronteation as now his name is synamynmous with the event.

Kobojunkie:
Past and present, UNJUSTIFIABLE. Though I know he is meant to represent a good cause, South Africans, and the world have been subjected to his verbal cholera long enough, and I can say for a fact that the man is a problem, not an asset, to the ANC and its image. Worse, he is a bad role model to the youths. This is not the first time I have seen his many uneducated rants and this is not the last. I remember the case with the South African gal who was told to submit to a gender test and how Malema massacred that girls remaining self esteem with his rants. A friend sent me a link to this on news 24 and I could only bow my head in shame.

As stated before Malema is the ANC's lap Dog who is able to push the envelope as far as he can. He will eventually take the fall and be pushed to the back ranks but make no mistake, the signs show that the ANC are ready to groom this fellow as they see certain bullish qualities in him they may eventually need down the line His outbursts will be blamed on his inexperience in politics and youth.

Kobojunkie:
Please tell me the question above is a joke? Are you kidding me?? ROFLMAO!!! You really asked me that? Have you ever seen the man talk? Most everyone who opposes him is a RACIST , yet the very same man has no problem pointing out that the whites/RACISTS are in his way and he will get them, in one way or another. Please, take time to read up on him some, or even tune in to South African channels to see videos on him. I bet if you tune in to SABC, you will see him on spewing some of that stuff at least once this week. lol

Again you are not answering the question.
What racial slur did Malema used when in confrontation with the journalist?
What other racial slurs has he used in the past?
What is your evidence that the BBC does not report biased news on South Africa?

If you want I can give you my opinions with some evidence but first answer the question or we'll keep going on like this.

[/quote][quote author=Kobojunkie link=topic=427359.msg5893772#msg5893772 date=1271280045]UUmm . . . last I checked BBC is a media house and like media EVERYWHERE, even here in the US, they usually have some reason for pushing for controversy. I don't care to scrutinize the BBC because, like I said, the BBC is NOT the government and so are not subject to the same laws our PUBLIC OFFICERS are. Regardless of whatever motives, imagined or real, we believe the BBC has, that should not stop our public representatives from PROMOTING a unified society. Even Obama went on FOX to be interviewed and he didn't BLOW UP!!!
They do. Malema is a PUBLIC OFFICIAL, the BBC journalist is just a civilian working for a non SA government organization.  Note the difference.

THe BBC and journalism as a whole's primary objective is to report unbiased news reports to the world with a sense of balancing the news reporting so as to give the viewer the opportunity to make their own opinions of a subject matter but you and I know controversial figures and controversial issues create a buzz more than anything else.

Mr fisher has done no stories on anthing positive about any individual I am aware of or any background stories on Malema's upbringing or other activities in an attempt to appear balanced.
It is a mandate that these news organizations are responsible for otherwise they are no different from tabloid news and the same yardsticks used on public officials should be used on them as far as  responsible behavior.

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Kobojunkie:
Counter intuitive? Oh, we should forget the south Africans who call for him to stop with the hate because some cheer him on? Forget the voices of reason, and the fact that even Zuma sort of admits that the man might be a problem if he refuses to change as time goes on? Interesting

nah! not trying to forget the individuals you mentioned above but trying to give a balanced subjective view of the man known as Malema and have PEOPle make their own unbiased, unskewed informed decisions about him.

Kobojunkie:
This is for a good laugh !!!




But serious,  listen to what some South Africans feel about Malema. . . Is the BBC to blame for this?

Counter intuitive to what you posted. Wonder why some south Africans are chairing him on at rallies or inviting him to univeristies and secondary schools



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPtqPgI0_A&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPtqPgI0_A&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RccE-sy1isM

Kobojunkie:
So, you are NOW saying AGAIN that it is NOT OK for the Journalist to ask the same or POINT Out the same because it has been done so many times before by Other journalist? I mean the answer is either YES OR NO as there is really no way around this. That others have pointed out that he lives in Sandton is no reason for the rants I see in that video. . . mind you, the journalist did not MAKE A FALSE STATEMENT. What he stated was fact, so why do you still feel the response from Malema was justified again?

You use strawman arguements to deviate and set up responses as if you are making a statment and refuting a position when in reality you are not contributing anything new nor stating facts as to why the outburst was unjustifiable by your own standings. Then again, I am game so let me repeat again and please refute this time.

The journalist revealed a fact. True.(Of what relevance was the fact when 95% of the people in the room where aware of this fact). its like shouting to a fat boy in a room. So you are fat eh!!!. Quite condescending don't you think?
The journalist interrupted Malema. Fact.
I don't know anyone who likes to be interrupted when they are speaking(especially if they are hot heads like Malema). Opinion
[b]The outburst is an irrational but logical response by someone who has been grueled several times on the same issue time and time again.[/b]Opinion/interpretation and fact,

Kobojunkie:
So, it is OK for Malema to go off on old south African correspondents but not new ones? It is OK for mr Malema who represents the youths of south Africa, to use racist slurs and language when dealing with South African Journalists because somehow they are not to be considered civilians who the politicians need to respect in all? Is this the case then?


It is one thing to be a POLITICIAN or a PUBLIC FACE, for the youths and another to be racist. Are you implying that it is OK for a politician or public official to use RACIST SLURS and uncouth language when he is confronted with questions/statements, factual by the way, which he is uncomfortable with, simply because he imagines  the majority of those he purports to represent are RACIST and so OK with it? It is OK for the politicians to be RACIST to BBC journalists because the BBC is seen to undermine the ANC or Malema's cause in this case?

lol you sure do pose a lot of questions. You must be an aspiring journalist.

Again strawman arguements. In you opinion
Why is it not justifiable for such an outburst by an individual who has shown similar tendencies in the past.?
What is the evidence of Racist slurs used by Malema during the confrontaion and what other occasions has he displayed such that one should label him as such(please do not use the singing thing)?
What is your evidence that the BBC does not have an alterior agenda or is not biased in its reporting?

Kobojunkie:
NOPE!!! I have never heard that one before now.
I am familiar with a lot of the old songs. However, I think it is counterproductive for the ANC to push for racial equality while at the same time promoting songs such as those that incite racial violence.    I already stated this earlier. That there are some white racists out there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why POLITICIANS should now use or promote RACIAL ideas, and Malema is wrong to continue to push his ignorant ideals knowing that he is sort of a role model for the youths of south Africa who are supposed to be tomorrow's leaders.

I am in agreement with the first and second statement as to the counterproductivity as far as RACIAL HARMONY is concerned. However these two points do not have any bearing onthe the episode with the BBC correspondent.

Kobojunkie:
So, in your words, Jonah fisher, because other Journalists have confronted Malema on the same issue, has no right to re-state that fact?

Oh he definitely does have the right the ask the question no doubt, however no one should be up in arms or condem the response he got from Malema either as it not his(Malema's ) responsibility to do any research for Mr fisher in regards posing questions that have been asked several times already.

Suffice to say Mr fisher is BBc's south African correspondent stationed in the country and not some new journalist who just flew in to interview Malema. If that were the case then I would have a problem with Malema's outburst.

Kobojunkie:
He speaks for them by promoting RACIST ideologies such as the one in the video on here? He speaks for them in the many racist comments that have been recorded in his name by South African media houses as well as international houses? So, essentially, you are here telling us that most of the uneducated township dwelling South Africans living are mostly RACISTS?

Never did I insinuate such. What I will pointi out ( and let me spell it out clearly so we don't accuse anyone of insinuating anything) is that Malema does echo resentments by POOR WORKING CLASS South Africans and Majority of south Africans( who unfortunately in this instance are Black)  after assumption of political power is at every opportunity very much undermined by "established" news reports particularly the BBC. Tell me which other country you can name that covers stories on offering its citizens bullet proof vests to the upcoming worldcup.[/b]despite the fact that this same country has hosted a variety of international events including cricket and rugby world cups. with little to zero incidents.


I am still trying to find out what the gripe is with the British and the South Africans under than their unbiased news reporting(sacarsim.) Can't quite put my finger on much of their concern for that country. Hmmmm? maybe they are loosing a lot of investments or maybe they are frightened it might be going the way of Zimbabwe( bet you've heard that comment before)

Kobojunkie:
Lol . . .
So, [b]it is OK to continue singing songs that incite violence against people of other races just because someone else sang that song in the past? Are you serious? Does telling me to stick to Nigerian issues, which is what I am mostly here for since there are other forums out there dealing mainly in issues that pertain to other countries your way of saying you have no clue what you say and so would rather I not comment to reveal more of your ignorance on this issue?

No. it is not okay and I am not in support of continuing the song. However citing the previous use of it is for readers( much like yourself) who may not already be familiar with the historical contexts of the use of the song.

Ignorance is always exposed for what it is at the end so please continue to comment. The statement was only suggestive at best.

igboitalo:
when i hear africans like u am very happy and i say maybe all hope is not lost

Thank the true free flow of the information age that we are living in today

Unfortunately some of us who rely on these "reliable news' sources are still very much in the dark with what truly goes on.

The simple truth is that Malema is not trying to win any PC points and has never admitted nor wanted to come off as elitist. The secret to his success is that he engages the disenfranchised people at a grassroots level. What people fear is the potential of the power he might garner for there is true power in the people if you can control their perceptions. Even the Journalists know that.

Kobojunkie:
If you are done FUMING, can we get back to this issue here? Malema's outburst is the problem, not the BBC. The BBC reporter only stated he lived in Sandton, which is considered high brow compared to other areas. If your idea of free press is concluding that Journalists have no right stating this fact , I don't know what will work for you.

Uhhh,  We never left the issue in the first place (BBC reporter vs Julius Malema). Need I stress the word BBC!!!.

The BBC reporter Jonah fisher is not new to Malema and was not trying to ascertain or convey any new fact to us from Malema. The point was simply trying to aggrevate Malema by asking "that question."  If he was a good reporter he would have done his research and understood that Malema has been confronted several times with this same question and has answered it thoroughly in several interviews. The purpose in the questioning is to "UNDERMINE" the message he was trying to convey concerning the MDC's comments about his visit to Zimbabwe not to report any news my dear Kobojunkie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJYDcx7ltMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfwlz31pXrU&feature=related

Kobojunkie:
Malema here does not represent BLACKS, so this is NOt a BLACK AND WHITE issue. The man is arrogant and uncooth; there is no way you can cut past that. You don't need to live in the UK, watch BBC to know this. The video speaks volumes. Simple!

You need to learn a little more about Malema. He does speak for a lot of uneducated township dwelling(unfortunately majority are BLACK) Saffers who have no voice in political and social issues that affect them. I will admit he is a boistrous character and lacks a lot of articulation but what you should be asking is why till this point the ANC has not shut him up. Hmmmmm

Kobojunkie:
And this is where I believe people (both blacks and whites) should not only condemn TerreBlache( who met his fate at the hands of his own workers), but also extremists on the other side like Malema who tries to incite fellow black racists into attacking the whites.

The song is a freedom song from the Apatheid era sung by many activists till date but only emphasized by Malema. PS even Mandela sang these songs after being released from jail.

I think you should stick to micro issues on Nigeria Kobo, These larger African issues are really not your forte

illusion2:
This is the slave mentality,the 'oyinbos' have imbibed in Africans. . . 'You were 'cave men ' before we found you. Mungo Park 'discovered' the river Niger,despite the fact that a lot of trade had been going on in that area for many years.

our ancestors wore proper clothes. . .the white man did not invent iro & buba. . . .neither did they invent aso-oke,from my part of the country.

The hat is wearing is not a 'bolar' hat by the way.

Wake up & stop all these nonsensical comments !

You should have asked your pops if we have caves in Africa to live in.( this is not to insult you by the way)

To clairfy. The southern ethnic groups of nigeria did have attires but they were minimal in body covering as it would be ridiculous to cover our entire bodies when we had to deal with the scorching heat and temperatures of the rainforest belts.

In contrast our nothern savannah neighbours adorned relatively more clothing which is why til today much of our fashion sense still eminates from northern peoples

Omolulu:
How would it be balanced when Malema's response does not tally with the question.If he had responded and said "yeah, i live in Sandton, i'm south african and i fight for my people in my country" or something that made sense i guess the negative response he's getting might have been different, However he just jumped to attack mode and thats the only thing i feel is wrong with the video, Truth is in a country like SA where there are openly white racist like Terreblanche and his ilk there would exist equally black extremists like Malema who fight against such discrimination in their God given Land. However there is a time and place where one must be diplomatic and where one must be violent with words and actions, Malema was certainly using the wrong tactic at the right place.

Didn't you hear what he told the BBC reporter about the event not being a press conference and you obviously don't knw who Malema is as far as him being Diplomatic in any instance. He is and agitator and thats his role which he plays perfectly. The ANC want tosee how far they can push the 'whites" and Malema is their instrument of measure.

He aint no diplomat!!

Kobojunkie:
That is silly reasoning right there. Are you saying it an African living in the UK to see how ignorant that man is in that video?

Its obvious you can't see that England(BBC) has a bias when it comes to South Africa reporting via their issues with Zimbabwe and what " some people" view as the free press is simply a propaganda machine.

PS before you start to fume at the mouth and ask for evidence I dare you to pull up one BBC story of any balanced reporting(if not all negative) about SA. When you are finished then compare with other news sites such as CNN, NBC, Al jazeera and so on. let me know if you need any help,

folem:



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Those shirts aren't funny at all. Thats very insulting.

issa hayatou and his cronies are idiots. If it were one of their children in those buses would they met out such tratement on in the aftermath.

It si very disrespectful for the people who died on that day and their only excuse is that they are abiding by rules.

Well MR Hayatou or what ever you call your seld

THE RULES WERE MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE RULES

You idiots need to reason some times,