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shotster50:
Kobo you are wasting your time. You dont expect them to stand down. It is not your fault they cannot see Malema for what he really stands for. A country like SA having gone through something as despicable as the apartheid is bound to produce people like Malema and Terre Blanche.

Wow! such an insiteful comment. I guess we were too dumb to realize that,

See below a balanced reporting of the ongoing situation by CNN. Again by CNN,

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/04/14/ricks.south.africa.racism.cnn

Kobojunkie:
When it comes to RACISM , I don't believe what you have above applies. If you however say it does, then it makes sense for one to believe that you are also see/saw Terreblanche in much the same way. Essentially, the same views you have of Malema apply when you analyse Terreblanche's legacy? Or is this UNBIASED view of yours one-sided?

To a certain extent I do view Terreblanche in much the same light but it boils down to the evidence presented of labeingl one a Racist.

Terreblanche's movement is the reminants of Boer nationalist parties dating back to british colonial times. The evidence of the charge of Racism is as follows:
Terreblanches' group have clearly and unequivocally STATED that they do not wish to integrate with Black people. Julius Malema or the ANC has never called for seperation of the races or anything close to that.

The AWB have demonstrated their refusal to intergrate or live in equal standing with blacks by disrupting  and further engaging in VIOLENT attacks on a parliament building in an effort to undermine talks and in the process there were VIOLENT clashes in which some of their men were killed. Julius Malema has not been implicated in any violent activity

Mr Terreblanche was charged with a vicious assault and attempted murder of a black farm worker on the basis that the worker was inferior to him therefore he could met out such treatment on the boy without consequence. Mr Malema has not been charged of any crimes relating to race.

Mr Terreblanches and his members continue to live in isolated communities away from blacks. Mr Malema livesin a community thatis majoirty white occupied.

Despite the above  stated , Mr Terre blanche's views can be rationlized however in comparison to Mr malema I see no evidence to the charge of RACIsM as it is understood by us today. If this is unbalanced please kindly correct

Kobojunkie:
Ummm.  . .  journalists are usually not there for THOSE In the room. Even the 5% in the room  who did not know have a right to know, or don't they?

Rephrase: South Africans in general at the time of the interview are aware of the fact that Julius Malema lives in Sandton. In articles concerning Malema the BBC has stated the fact of accusations that have been leveled against Malema concerning Living in Sandton. Please refer to BBC news homepage for details.

Kobojunkie:
Malema was lambasting others for working out of air-conditioned rooms somewhere in Sandton, I don't know why stating that he also lives in Sandton is out of the question, and merits the response the journalist got from Malema. On interruption, journalists USUALLY do that, it is almost to be expected, even in the white house.   He is a public official and last I checked there are no rules against public officials taking questions or comments when they are not ready for them.

On the same note Malema is known to be combative with reporters and has created many an outburst. The BBC correspondent should not be surprised nor insulted as this is common pratice by Mr. Malema. in fact I dbout he is and relishies the iconfronteation as now his name is synamynmous with the event.

Kobojunkie:
Past and present, UNJUSTIFIABLE. Though I know he is meant to represent a good cause, South Africans, and the world have been subjected to his verbal cholera long enough, and I can say for a fact that the man is a problem, not an asset, to the ANC and its image. Worse, he is a bad role model to the youths. This is not the first time I have seen his many uneducated rants and this is not the last. I remember the case with the South African gal who was told to submit to a gender test and how Malema massacred that girls remaining self esteem with his rants. A friend sent me a link to this on news 24 and I could only bow my head in shame.

As stated before Malema is the ANC's lap Dog who is able to push the envelope as far as he can. He will eventually take the fall and be pushed to the back ranks but make no mistake, the signs show that the ANC are ready to groom this fellow as they see certain bullish qualities in him they may eventually need down the line His outbursts will be blamed on his inexperience in politics and youth.

Kobojunkie:
Please tell me the question above is a joke? Are you kidding me?? ROFLMAO!!! You really asked me that? Have you ever seen the man talk? Most everyone who opposes him is a RACIST , yet the very same man has no problem pointing out that the whites/RACISTS are in his way and he will get them, in one way or another. Please, take time to read up on him some, or even tune in to South African channels to see videos on him. I bet if you tune in to SABC, you will see him on spewing some of that stuff at least once this week. lol

Again you are not answering the question.
What racial slur did Malema used when in confrontation with the journalist?
What other racial slurs has he used in the past?
What is your evidence that the BBC does not report biased news on South Africa?

If you want I can give you my opinions with some evidence but first answer the question or we'll keep going on like this.

[/quote][quote author=Kobojunkie link=topic=427359.msg5893772#msg5893772 date=1271280045]UUmm . . . last I checked BBC is a media house and like media EVERYWHERE, even here in the US, they usually have some reason for pushing for controversy. I don't care to scrutinize the BBC because, like I said, the BBC is NOT the government and so are not subject to the same laws our PUBLIC OFFICERS are. Regardless of whatever motives, imagined or real, we believe the BBC has, that should not stop our public representatives from PROMOTING a unified society. Even Obama went on FOX to be interviewed and he didn't BLOW UP!!!
They do. Malema is a PUBLIC OFFICIAL, the BBC journalist is just a civilian working for a non SA government organization.  Note the difference.

THe BBC and journalism as a whole's primary objective is to report unbiased news reports to the world with a sense of balancing the news reporting so as to give the viewer the opportunity to make their own opinions of a subject matter but you and I know controversial figures and controversial issues create a buzz more than anything else.

Mr fisher has done no stories on anthing positive about any individual I am aware of or any background stories on Malema's upbringing or other activities in an attempt to appear balanced.
It is a mandate that these news organizations are responsible for otherwise they are no different from tabloid news and the same yardsticks used on public officials should be used on them as far as  responsible behavior.

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Kobojunkie:
Counter intuitive? Oh, we should forget the south Africans who call for him to stop with the hate because some cheer him on? Forget the voices of reason, and the fact that even Zuma sort of admits that the man might be a problem if he refuses to change as time goes on? Interesting

nah! not trying to forget the individuals you mentioned above but trying to give a balanced subjective view of the man known as Malema and have PEOPle make their own unbiased, unskewed informed decisions about him.

Kobojunkie:
This is for a good laugh !!!




But serious,  listen to what some South Africans feel about Malema. . . Is the BBC to blame for this?

Counter intuitive to what you posted. Wonder why some south Africans are chairing him on at rallies or inviting him to univeristies and secondary schools



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPtqPgI0_A&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WPtqPgI0_A&feature=related


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RccE-sy1isM

Kobojunkie:
So, you are NOW saying AGAIN that it is NOT OK for the Journalist to ask the same or POINT Out the same because it has been done so many times before by Other journalist? I mean the answer is either YES OR NO as there is really no way around this. That others have pointed out that he lives in Sandton is no reason for the rants I see in that video. . . mind you, the journalist did not MAKE A FALSE STATEMENT. What he stated was fact, so why do you still feel the response from Malema was justified again?

You use strawman arguements to deviate and set up responses as if you are making a statment and refuting a position when in reality you are not contributing anything new nor stating facts as to why the outburst was unjustifiable by your own standings. Then again, I am game so let me repeat again and please refute this time.

The journalist revealed a fact. True.(Of what relevance was the fact when 95% of the people in the room where aware of this fact). its like shouting to a fat boy in a room. So you are fat eh!!!. Quite condescending don't you think?
The journalist interrupted Malema. Fact.
I don't know anyone who likes to be interrupted when they are speaking(especially if they are hot heads like Malema). Opinion
[b]The outburst is an irrational but logical response by someone who has been grueled several times on the same issue time and time again.[/b]Opinion/interpretation and fact,

Kobojunkie:
So, it is OK for Malema to go off on old south African correspondents but not new ones? It is OK for mr Malema who represents the youths of south Africa, to use racist slurs and language when dealing with South African Journalists because somehow they are not to be considered civilians who the politicians need to respect in all? Is this the case then?


It is one thing to be a POLITICIAN or a PUBLIC FACE, for the youths and another to be racist. Are you implying that it is OK for a politician or public official to use RACIST SLURS and uncouth language when he is confronted with questions/statements, factual by the way, which he is uncomfortable with, simply because he imagines  the majority of those he purports to represent are RACIST and so OK with it? It is OK for the politicians to be RACIST to BBC journalists because the BBC is seen to undermine the ANC or Malema's cause in this case?

lol you sure do pose a lot of questions. You must be an aspiring journalist.

Again strawman arguements. In you opinion
Why is it not justifiable for such an outburst by an individual who has shown similar tendencies in the past.?
What is the evidence of Racist slurs used by Malema during the confrontaion and what other occasions has he displayed such that one should label him as such(please do not use the singing thing)?
What is your evidence that the BBC does not have an alterior agenda or is not biased in its reporting?

Kobojunkie:
NOPE!!! I have never heard that one before now.
I am familiar with a lot of the old songs. However, I think it is counterproductive for the ANC to push for racial equality while at the same time promoting songs such as those that incite racial violence.    I already stated this earlier. That there are some white racists out there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why POLITICIANS should now use or promote RACIAL ideas, and Malema is wrong to continue to push his ignorant ideals knowing that he is sort of a role model for the youths of south Africa who are supposed to be tomorrow's leaders.

I am in agreement with the first and second statement as to the counterproductivity as far as RACIAL HARMONY is concerned. However these two points do not have any bearing onthe the episode with the BBC correspondent.

Kobojunkie:
So, in your words, Jonah fisher, because other Journalists have confronted Malema on the same issue, has no right to re-state that fact?

Oh he definitely does have the right the ask the question no doubt, however no one should be up in arms or condem the response he got from Malema either as it not his(Malema's ) responsibility to do any research for Mr fisher in regards posing questions that have been asked several times already.

Suffice to say Mr fisher is BBc's south African correspondent stationed in the country and not some new journalist who just flew in to interview Malema. If that were the case then I would have a problem with Malema's outburst.

Kobojunkie:
He speaks for them by promoting RACIST ideologies such as the one in the video on here? He speaks for them in the many racist comments that have been recorded in his name by South African media houses as well as international houses? So, essentially, you are here telling us that most of the uneducated township dwelling South Africans living are mostly RACISTS?

Never did I insinuate such. What I will pointi out ( and let me spell it out clearly so we don't accuse anyone of insinuating anything) is that Malema does echo resentments by POOR WORKING CLASS South Africans and Majority of south Africans( who unfortunately in this instance are Black)  after assumption of political power is at every opportunity very much undermined by "established" news reports particularly the BBC. Tell me which other country you can name that covers stories on offering its citizens bullet proof vests to the upcoming worldcup.[/b]despite the fact that this same country has hosted a variety of international events including cricket and rugby world cups. with little to zero incidents.


I am still trying to find out what the gripe is with the British and the South Africans under than their unbiased news reporting(sacarsim.) Can't quite put my finger on much of their concern for that country. Hmmmm? maybe they are loosing a lot of investments or maybe they are frightened it might be going the way of Zimbabwe( bet you've heard that comment before)

Kobojunkie:
Lol . . .
So, [b]it is OK to continue singing songs that incite violence against people of other races just because someone else sang that song in the past? Are you serious? Does telling me to stick to Nigerian issues, which is what I am mostly here for since there are other forums out there dealing mainly in issues that pertain to other countries your way of saying you have no clue what you say and so would rather I not comment to reveal more of your ignorance on this issue?

No. it is not okay and I am not in support of continuing the song. However citing the previous use of it is for readers( much like yourself) who may not already be familiar with the historical contexts of the use of the song.

Ignorance is always exposed for what it is at the end so please continue to comment. The statement was only suggestive at best.

igboitalo:
when i hear africans like u am very happy and i say maybe all hope is not lost

Thank the true free flow of the information age that we are living in today

Unfortunately some of us who rely on these "reliable news' sources are still very much in the dark with what truly goes on.

The simple truth is that Malema is not trying to win any PC points and has never admitted nor wanted to come off as elitist. The secret to his success is that he engages the disenfranchised people at a grassroots level. What people fear is the potential of the power he might garner for there is true power in the people if you can control their perceptions. Even the Journalists know that.

Kobojunkie:
If you are done FUMING, can we get back to this issue here? Malema's outburst is the problem, not the BBC. The BBC reporter only stated he lived in Sandton, which is considered high brow compared to other areas. If your idea of free press is concluding that Journalists have no right stating this fact , I don't know what will work for you.

Uhhh,  We never left the issue in the first place (BBC reporter vs Julius Malema). Need I stress the word BBC!!!.

The BBC reporter Jonah fisher is not new to Malema and was not trying to ascertain or convey any new fact to us from Malema. The point was simply trying to aggrevate Malema by asking "that question."  If he was a good reporter he would have done his research and understood that Malema has been confronted several times with this same question and has answered it thoroughly in several interviews. The purpose in the questioning is to "UNDERMINE" the message he was trying to convey concerning the MDC's comments about his visit to Zimbabwe not to report any news my dear Kobojunkie.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJYDcx7ltMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfwlz31pXrU&feature=related

Kobojunkie:
Malema here does not represent BLACKS, so this is NOt a BLACK AND WHITE issue. The man is arrogant and uncooth; there is no way you can cut past that. You don't need to live in the UK, watch BBC to know this. The video speaks volumes. Simple!

You need to learn a little more about Malema. He does speak for a lot of uneducated township dwelling(unfortunately majority are BLACK) Saffers who have no voice in political and social issues that affect them. I will admit he is a boistrous character and lacks a lot of articulation but what you should be asking is why till this point the ANC has not shut him up. Hmmmmm

Kobojunkie:
And this is where I believe people (both blacks and whites) should not only condemn TerreBlache( who met his fate at the hands of his own workers), but also extremists on the other side like Malema who tries to incite fellow black racists into attacking the whites.

The song is a freedom song from the Apatheid era sung by many activists till date but only emphasized by Malema. PS even Mandela sang these songs after being released from jail.

I think you should stick to micro issues on Nigeria Kobo, These larger African issues are really not your forte

illusion2:
This is the slave mentality,the 'oyinbos' have imbibed in Africans. . . 'You were 'cave men ' before we found you. Mungo Park 'discovered' the river Niger,despite the fact that a lot of trade had been going on in that area for many years.

our ancestors wore proper clothes. . .the white man did not invent iro & buba. . . .neither did they invent aso-oke,from my part of the country.

The hat is wearing is not a 'bolar' hat by the way.

Wake up & stop all these nonsensical comments !

You should have asked your pops if we have caves in Africa to live in.( this is not to insult you by the way)

To clairfy. The southern ethnic groups of nigeria did have attires but they were minimal in body covering as it would be ridiculous to cover our entire bodies when we had to deal with the scorching heat and temperatures of the rainforest belts.

In contrast our nothern savannah neighbours adorned relatively more clothing which is why til today much of our fashion sense still eminates from northern peoples

Omolulu:
How would it be balanced when Malema's response does not tally with the question.If he had responded and said "yeah, i live in Sandton, i'm south african and i fight for my people in my country" or something that made sense i guess the negative response he's getting might have been different, However he just jumped to attack mode and thats the only thing i feel is wrong with the video, Truth is in a country like SA where there are openly white racist like Terreblanche and his ilk there would exist equally black extremists like Malema who fight against such discrimination in their God given Land. However there is a time and place where one must be diplomatic and where one must be violent with words and actions, Malema was certainly using the wrong tactic at the right place.

Didn't you hear what he told the BBC reporter about the event not being a press conference and you obviously don't knw who Malema is as far as him being Diplomatic in any instance. He is and agitator and thats his role which he plays perfectly. The ANC want tosee how far they can push the 'whites" and Malema is their instrument of measure.

He aint no diplomat!!

Kobojunkie:
That is silly reasoning right there. Are you saying it an African living in the UK to see how ignorant that man is in that video?

Its obvious you can't see that England(BBC) has a bias when it comes to South Africa reporting via their issues with Zimbabwe and what " some people" view as the free press is simply a propaganda machine.

PS before you start to fume at the mouth and ask for evidence I dare you to pull up one BBC story of any balanced reporting(if not all negative) about SA. When you are finished then compare with other news sites such as CNN, NBC, Al jazeera and so on. let me know if you need any help,

folem:



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Those shirts aren't funny at all. Thats very insulting.

issa hayatou and his cronies are idiots. If it were one of their children in those buses would they met out such tratement on in the aftermath.

It si very disrespectful for the people who died on that day and their only excuse is that they are abiding by rules.

Well MR Hayatou or what ever you call your seld

THE RULES WERE MADE FOR MAN AND NOT MAN FOR THE RULES

You idiots need to reason some times,

snowdrops:
Amen to that

Are you talking about england?

Who else?

ireland no follow them,

HA the British.

I really hope they get knocked out of this world cup.

I guess its fair to play the dirty media game with dirty tricks even though I am about 95% sure this is utter fabrication.

Should have played for Nigeria, Togo don't do much as far as international soccer is concerned.

I guess he felt to francophone huh>

O ti baje!

That man has some serious Audacity!!!

larger-beer needs the likes of a Full back like Onuoha. look at the gaoslhe scored for Man city yesterday. While the likes of Tevex was selfishly running up and down trying to add to his score sheet. The underestimated defender simply slid right throw and put in two beautiful goals.

Beaf:
My unreserved apologies about the other thread.

I think the problem is much deeper than Malema or Zuma, the greater issue is one of impunity by supremacist Whites, who perceive themselves as untouchable because of the weak handed treatment given to those guilty of apartheid crimes. That weakness on the part of the SA govt has made it seem that Blacks are too scared to handle injustice firmly and judiciously. Malema is the attack point of the racists because he is seen as the weak link in their onslaught against the ANC machine. I am not saying it is correct, but the songs Malema sings, pretty much everyone else sings (even kids).

On the above point I will clarify my view. The AWB are reminants of the distant past wanna be Trek-BOER(farmer) republics who hated the British and wished to isolate themselves from the then govt and even the Afirkanner nationalist party in 1948. They are no different from white country azz rednecks in the US who chose to live in obscurity in the rural areas away from urban/modern life and its government post civil rights and integration.

They feel that by doing so, they are preserving some sort of sense of identity and culture passed on by their European descendants. Like many fringe groups they seem to believe the changing world is a threat to their existence and once any set of people merge their survical instincts with their learned supreme moral value i.e Race purity and race superiority. The combination is disastrous to the human psyche and extremely hard to decipher.

Zuma i.e his advisers understand this history and are aware of the event about to take place shortly which will show case SA to the world. Therefore they cannot afford to politiciz this issue. The farmers/AWB on the other hand see this as an opportunity to get some air time and legitimize their grievancies to the international media, hopefully score some points. Malema is a target for this propaganda push and he is only too silly to realize this. The saffers lik RSA praise him as a strong person because he demonstrates defiance in the face of White propaganda. Nonetheless , we live in a world controlled by the media, primarily the Western media who are able to distort realities and channel this throughout the globe. If Malema falls on their left side he will be made a scapegoat and will only damage the Youth movement wing of th ANC and paint them as savage blood thirsty revengeful blacks who want to take revenge. They did it to Mugabe.

Beaf:
As mentioned above, societal inequalities were handled with kid gloves, in an almost idealistic way after South Africa's independence. There was a truth commission that simply berated murderers; while no firm plans went the equitable redistribution of wealth and skills, very little punishment for the unbelievably evil crimes of apartheid were meted out. As far as race relations are concerned, the SA govt looks very weak.
South Africa has the very same stresses on land ownership that exist in Zimbabwe, yet there are only token gestures at land redistribution. Surely, the South African govt is rich and skilled enough to put firm, long term plans in place toward equitable land ownership over a sensible period; but nothing concrete has been done.

The truth and recon commission was idealistic at best and a model of what Mandela hoped SA's would strive to emulate. As far as how far it went in truly healing the wounds of Apatheid. I cannot tell because I was not an eye witness. What I will say is that the ideal is much supported by me as Mandela stayed true to his values even after power changed hands. That is pure integrity and not revenge or hatred. A very unique human trait most of us rarely exhibit or possess for that matter.

The goverment did hear many land reform grievances during the Mbeki and Mandela years by many groups in SA including Griquas(colored khoi-people), Twshana, Basters, Zulus and so on however the fundamental miscalculation was in the management and full resource potential of these properties that were given back to the owners. No programmes to train these new owners or even plans to create any mutual deals to benefit both the whites and the new owners. Zimbabwe is a case study of what happens when you take a miltant approach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuGHKBJV3uA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFWBGoWlHuA&feature=channel


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMB-8cGPT24&feature=channel

Beaf:
Terre'Blanche was killed for not paying a monthly wage of 300 rand, but the average minimum wage in SA must be in the range of 1700 rand (not too sure of my figures, but not far off target).

There is a lot of impunity and the resulting bottled rage. We see that rage erupt explosively out of the townships every now and again because their cry for justice and equity has gone unheeded. Terre'Blanche was a victim of such anger.
The racial tensions in South Africa can be cured only if the govt bares its fangs and deals harshly with racial crimes, injustice, and wealth and land redistribution. As time goes by, punishments can be lessened, but right now SA needs a sledge hammer to instil discipline. That sledge hammer will crash heavily on White separatist enclaves and only then on "kill the boer" songs that are a mere reaction.

I agree with the above highlighted however I believe the racial justice cases should go both ways, the wealth and land reforms with an innovative sense of the times by mutual aggreements with farmers in which a compromise is set if not set up adjudications to resolve issues. Watch the above youtube attachments when you have time.There are many more.

RSA:
While you Ikomi think the country is falling apart the economy continue to grow,power station that will help fuelling economy is underconstraction.Black people are graduating from South African univesities which are some of the top in the world at a very fast pace.Infrustructure is well mentained and more developments are taking place.Zuma as a President so far is doing well,we live in a country where people fire a President.

The is more to South Africa than what you guys read in the papers,It is unfortunate that as black people we never support each other,with us is about who is better and that is the weapon our 'enemies' uses againts us.

Most African states could learn a lot from us,about how we do things.Youth leaders in Nigeria must run to Malema and ask him for guidance,Yes the guy is not educated but I like his courage,he come from a village and was raised by his grandmother,never finish his matric,and at 27 when he say something the 'most educated' listen,BBC,CNN and other journalist who are trying to build careers listen,I think he is a genius.
And as for Zuma what more can you say about the man,he showed that he is your typical Zulu man and it means anyone in South Africa can lead the country,it's called democracy.I don't think anyone in South Africa feels that they are living under dictatorship.

So my dear friend I am sorry to disapoint you by saying South Africa is definetely not falling apart,maybe you should look closer to find the right answer.

Ha ha ha!  Genius.

My dear friend he is ENTERTAINER of the year. Can you tell me what the ANC youth charter is?

Why is it geared only towards black youth. Where are the other chapters to represent all groups in SA

Other than promises! promises! promises, A few trips here and there, What solid projects are malema working on to uplift the youth of the country?

What is he doing to diminish the improveshied lives of the constituents who's support he is requiring?

Can you stare us to sources where we can understudy what this man has actually accomplished as a president and  is actually doing other than making imflammatory speeches to steer up emotional responses by poor uneducated people who are ready to do anthing in the attempt to change their lives.

Please educate us AFRICANS on Julius Malema apart from this website which doesn't say much about anything.

http://www.ancyl.org.za/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48

Accordign tot he oppositon DNC leader hellen zille. she thinks the loan is a bad idea and the projects are simply another way lining th pockets of affiliates of the ANC party in the form of tenders to companies tha have ANC members on the board or governnent stake holders.


SA might jsut fall into the smae syndrome of other African countries in terms of corruption.
This is very interesting.

@ All

Just some history on underlying reason for resentment on land ownership and exploitation of SA black people.

The system wanted to create cheap labor to build its capitalist society and create wealth for the minority and at the same time segregate the majority community into so called homelands BANTUSTANS onthe guise that they were preserving their history. The same excuses being used by the AWB today of fears of violence.

You guys should check it out. it's in three parts,  very inciteful and that goes for you too MPELE!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vf5Vgy4N6A&feature=related

@Beaf and Sagamite


make una stop this conflict. It has gone on long enough. I can't even go through your posts anymore cause its full of insults and deviates from the subject matter.

However I am in consensus with some points Sagamite has made when it comes to upskilling the SA farm workers and a sensible/equitable distribution of land only on the grounds that the land passing hands should be given to individuals or trustees who are able to show that they are capable of managing the resources effectively.

An example of this strategy was already practiced by one farmer in the cape winelands. He initiallly left SA post Apatheid from fear of retribution by his inherited farm workers and the land was repartirated to the farm workers who did not have the skill to manage the properties and there was almost zero productivity. He later came back with a british partner and they bought the land off the workers and rehired them.

He did however understand that there was a need for some sort of redistribution program in small portions that would benefit the workers on a long term basis and he and his partner created a scheme where a percentage of the workers salary woulud be pooled to send their children to good schools. Another portion of their wages would also go into purchasing certain segments of land which their children woudl inherit and also have the ability to manage if or when they chose to.

His system effectively would transfer wealth from the owner to the workers in portions over a period of time and to able bodied hands. A mutually beneficial system to both parties. Although this system requires that both parties are in agreement and one party does not delibrately try to manipulate the other, it is not an impossible scenario. I wish I could find the video on Youtube. I 'll search see.

An example of a skilled black farmer. Thats why i have always appreciated CNN to other news organizations

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/03/17/south.africa.female.winemaker/index.html

RSA:
Local News | Johannesburg
Malema calls BBC journo a ‘naughty person’
Cathy Mohlahlana | 7 Minutes Ago

There was high drama at an ANC Youth League media briefing at Luthuli House in Johannesburg on Thursday.
The party’s youth leader Julius Malema kicked a journalist out of the briefing on Thursday after calling the reporter a "naughty person".

He shouted at the journalist saying: “You are small boy, you can’t do anything. Go out, naughty person!”

Malema also accused the gathered media of being obsessed with him and so desperate to sell newspapers they were willing to write anything.
The atmosphere became tense as Malema started shouting at a BBC journalist for interjecting as he spoke.



“Chief, can you get security to remove this thing here,” he said to security referring to the reporter.

He said such behaviour would not be tolerated in Luthuli House and that the Youth League would not be undermined by reporters who wanted to run amok.

“This is a building of a revolutionary party and you know nothing about a revolution. So here you behave or else you jump.”
He also accused the journalist of treating him the way white people used to treat blacks, saying: “Don’t come here with that white tendency!”

Malema also accused reporters of having lost their minds and being obsessed about him.


“You have become obsessed with an individual and as a result you have lost your minds. All of you,” he said.


The comments come just weeks after a group of political reporters laid a complaint against the league’s Floyd Shivambu for threatening reporters who refused to run a story he was giving them.


During the briefing Malema said the ANC Youth League supported the leadership of President Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe.


(Edited by Deshnee Subramany)

If Mr Malema does stop this illiteracy he will damage you guys integrity, He doesn't understand the power of the media to control and distort.

The man is simply entertanair of the year.

[quote author=tpia. link=topic=424754.msg5853601#msg5853601 date=1270733510]@ video

that situation , in Nigeria, would have turned into a free for all for sure.

The male host was just saying "touch me in my studio, touch me in my studio", in such a gentle voice as if he was begging the guy. If na naija, they'd have started attacking each other with chairs at that point.

If nothing at all they'd have started abusing and cursing the AWD fellow in their various local languages. The man go run comot from the place.

who has that kind of patience back home. Certainly not the majority.[/quote]Thats the price the black Saffers have to pay for so called "civilized" culture. If the oyinbo touch am he go call security. if na Naija the Oyinbo for recieve serious slap first run go im embassy qucik quick.

This is the intimidation black SA's have been subjected to for decades and this man and his group are the reminants of that old order that refuses to shed its attitudes.