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Heard that all before. Its ususally on the History international channel all the time.

The problem is that you seek to invalidate the new testament by posting studies on similarities of deities from other cultures. yet somehow you stand by the writings of the old testamanent and psalms as authentic scipture devoid of influence from stories of pagan cultures that existed around it during its time.

I hope you know accusations have been raised that the so called Moses, that the so called Abraham you hold dear to your belief have be sighted as adaptations of stories of other cultural icons as well.

I wonder up till now with all the studies of ancient Egypt how they have found no trace of slavery of the hebrews and any signs of a mass exodus of any peoples from that land safe the Hyskos, yet the old testament attests to this mass exodus.

Stop picking and choosing.

Yisraylite:
Please continue in your disobedience, So I can come after you when My king sits on the Everlasting throne of YHWH

Psa 149:1 ¶ Praise YHWH. Sing to YHWH a new song, [and] his praise in the congregation of saints.


Psa 149:2 Let Yisrayl rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.


Psa 149:3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.


Psa 149:4 For YHWH takes pleasure in his people: HE will beautify the meek with salvation.


Psa 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.


Psa 149:6 [Let] the high [praises] of YHWH[be] in their mouth, and a two edged sword in their hand;

Psa 149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, [and] punishments upon the people; [/color][color=#990000][/color]

Psa 149:8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; [/color]


Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise YHWH

Hallal YAHAWAH!!!!!!!



Yisraylite

I recall these same sentiments when some radicals blew up some 3000 people in a tall ass building. I believe their words were "ALLahu Akbar"

Don't worry about me when you come I'll be ready for you . Trust me on this one. I've been there before.

Yisraylite:
@ Morpheous24

I'll have a worse mouth for all you enemies of YHWH

Psa 139:21 Do I not hate them, O YHWH, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You?

Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred; I count them my enemies.

Psa 139:23 Search me, O YHWH, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties;

Psa 139:24 And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting


You're getting weaker and weaker, you snort nosed little prick, Better be glad you are on line, hiding behind a computer screen. I don't turn a cheek for my enemies. if you touch my cheek,I'll try to decapitate your rebellious ass! filthy Godworshipper!!!

Yisraylite

And you my lost israeli are getting angrier and angrier. You are not fighting for any "god" . You are fighting the hate in your heart. Which is point I have trying to make since the beginning of this thread. You are no different from your so called "slavemaster" after all.

Yisraylite:
You are nothing but a big buffoon, and old man still living in Disney land, thinking he is a cartoon character, If I were you I 'll also be hiding after posting  trash responses and gabbage.

You are even ashamed to admit who you are, can't ID yourself, you quer little piece of shit, I told you I ain't a christian hence I'm not nice, you dirty little babylonian man-LovePeddler

Poof!, be gone slowpoke!! right back into your obscurity and darkness. You hate me because I'm something you'll never be, retarded looser.

I told you you had some bitchassness in you just like a sodomite godworshipper! Do you think David made nice with Goliath?

Foolish man child! yesterday, you tried to classify me as member of the Nation of Islam from the tribe of Shabbazz and today I'm an Israelite for christ. Dumb ass, I told you Christ is nothing in this world but a fairy tale.

I must give you nightmares at night while you're in your dreamworld. It's not me your ignorant ass should be worried about, You should be concerned with what will happen  to all   who break YAHAWAH'S LAWS and teach others to do so.


No Salaam for disobedient fools like you!!!

Yisraylite

Its not my fault you are too unintelligent to see the correlation between nation of Islams redrick and yours.  I am fascinated at the use of those derogatory terms you spewed out " Babylonian man-LovePeddler" , haven't heard that one before.  Fascinating!!

Who am I?

"I am the son of the soil"

"I am the morning star"

"I am the voice that cryeth in the wilderness."

I am MORPHEUS!!!!

When you awaken all your brothers from their slumber, let me know,  Poor man see what oppression has done to you. Lost children of Israel my ass!

You don't know me but I know you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT6FfrRuHlA

dreeldee:
I stand to be corrected, It's only the Islamic religion that is against the consumption of Pork meat.

Nope so are Jews and black israelites and kabbalaists.

Mid eastern culture_ a pig is seen as a dirty animal so comes the association with not eating it. The meat is not all that tasty anyways and you have to cook it well otherwise you leave bacteria and all kinds of other living organiasms on it.

Western and asian cultures the pig has always been a delicacy so you have your answer. Thats why they eat it.

Biologically speaking the pig is not a very good meat in terms of it being hygenic which is why your fellow carnivore the lion would dine on a gazzelle before he would attack a wild bore. He has been programmed to do that and knows which meat is Tastier but if he didn't have a choice he would obvious eat the pig.

I say go with lions dinning choice.

Nah just realized that a fool at "40" ooopss sorry at "36' is a fool forever.

You kow what . After spatting with you for a day now. I have come the realization that it is futile to continue in this fashion. The people in this forum are far more intelligent than I credit them.

This propaganda will never stop as long as hate exists in this world and people capitalize on the fears and hopes of others.

How many times will black people reinvent this wheel, first it was the lost tribe of shabazz, lost in the wilderness of America now its the lost children of Israel. Anything to douse the pain of oppression and make sense of mans brutal nature. There are obvious controversies that exist in religions today especially "Christianity" and many will find oportunities and loopholes to prey on those confused and bewildered.
Before I bid you adieu my last words of warning.

Morpheus says "Those who perpetuate false doctrines are Twisted in their hearts. They will turn into the very things that twisted them. You have eyes and ears use them or the *Matrix has you*

Kindly elaborate on the "Unresolved issues, these Africans are pondering over"

Bro, nobody is forcing you to stay here in the new world. The world is large enough for you in this day and age to escape the empire called "the West" full of white bogey men. Seperate yourself from this Devil so he doesn't have to oppress you anymore. There are villages in Africa who need you. Go there and live in harmony with I AM. After all what does a man truly need to live if not food, shelter and occassional clothing.

You infer to the opinion that Abraham was black as if you were there with Abraham to determin what his genetic make up was.

"Jewish crap". Men you are way far gone than I imagined. "So you use that jewish propaganda shit too" I didn't mention anyting concerning Jews. It only shows your hatred and disdain that burns bright in your heart. Please! I know J is not a hebrew alphabet thus your spelling of YWWH.

As far as genetics is concerned. The only plausable reason your skin is black or at least you carry the genetic marker which allows you to produce that extra melanin and call yourself black,  passing it from one generation to another is because of the region your forfathers are from. You were not made black for any divine purpose nor are your kind divine in any shape way or form.

If you discard this obvious truth you are only fooling yourself. Maybe you would like to explain why if a "black" man has a child with a "White" woman, the child comes out an intermediary of the two shades. That child inherits 23 copy chormosones from each parent. Mathematicaly predicting that he would inherit half his fathers gene code of "black skin' and half his mothers gene code of white skin thus the his skin tone and no the JEW didn't come up with that one. Thats is naked science.

Point in case Abraham being a black man or a yellow man has no signifance concerning Gods plan with humanity so raising the point to everyone in this forum or all over the world is simply doing the same thing your slave masters thought you. To hate others and love yourselfs. You are mirroring an image of your  former master and not YOUR  TRUE MASTER . Your discovery that once apon a time your ancestors spoke hebrew or were given some divine revelation doesn't make your kind divine. Its a figment of your imagination.

You know how I know this cause history repeats itself over and over again. The so called "JEWS" that lived in jerusalem when the Romans opressed them fantasied about a messiah come to take them to the promise land and cursed their opressors as evil, wicked and damed by God, gentiles unworthy of the privilage given to them by their maker. Today those romans are called Italians are very much live and well. God hasn't burnt them up to ashes, YET. The so called "JEWS" of the that time have finally stopped waiting for God to come save them and edged out a place for themselves on this earth and you who have a home your ancestors have been living on are still here crying at the feet of your opressor instead of figuring out how to survive on Gods green earth. Keep waiting for the hereafter.

You accuse me of interpreting errouneous translations of the Bible. Yet you use the word EGYPT a fairly modern translation to refer to the correct translation of the hebrew word of the region Mitzrayim or KMT as the egyptians called it a region much smaller that the Egypt that is conjured up in peoples minds today and yeah there were people of different colors who lived in northeast africa including what you refer to as "Blacks" during that era so whats the point. Oh yeah your use of the work caucasion is a misnomer by the way. its maning is only what you attach to it, so is negro.

Morpheus says "Genetics is only a word. It is the meaning that we attach to that word that matters"

Grouppoint:
@Obalende,
Very good explanation you proferred. However, I pray that Huxley is willing to see with a spiritual eye.

@Huxley.
The old testament is a shadow of the New testament, and a shadow of things to come. You will need to understand that the killings in Jericho etc represents God's judgement to come.

So for those who believe that there is no hell fire or that God is too kind to allow billions of unbelievers in China to go to hell. Please look at the story of Noah's Ark, Jericho, etc. God did it before and he will not strive with man forever. He has now given examples from the past. He will do it again!!!. Please better safe than sorry.


So rather than analyse whether God is good or not, first accept that He is at least good enough to have warned us.

I like that assessment.

manchibabe:
all this dead meat trhingy was all in d old testament and besides after Jesus came all things ve passed away nd become new hence d new testament

Manchibabe,

Actually the new testament does not have Jesus breaking the law of eating unclean animals, because of the traditions of many nations who adopted christianity, loop holes have been found to tryo to convince people that the law of of abstaining from eating dead animals or unclean animals has some how been revoked in the new testatment.

If you look carefully at the chapters that reference this practice in the new testament, there is nothing explicit that really revokes the laws of the Old testament, but realize one thing which is stated by Jesus in the new testatment which says "the Law is made for Man and not Man for the law" If you are religious person then understanding this phrase should put you at ease concerning eating dead flesh or unclean meats.

On the other hand scientifically speaking, endulging in such practices is biologically unhealthy for you as proven by science.

lucabrasi:
i used them a couple of times and the service was like being in a nigerian hospital with bad tempered nurses,not used them again for the past 3/4 years,people who do is only for the cheap airfares

Chei that bad. Do they normally have delays and any stories on delayed or lost baggage

Yisrayl

Can you answer the simple questions I posted you earlier. Jokes aside my friend, lets get down to business of proving whose spewing false hood.

I say you are not a descendant of Yaquob or jacob or Yakubu and you say you are. If you are the descendant of black slaves in the new world your genetic makeup is predominantly West African, your people have existed in this region for thousands of years inrespective of your theory of migrations. If you say I am spewing lies prove me wrong.

Stop deceiving my brethren in this Forum.

Yisraylite:
@ Morpheus24

Still hiding Khazar?

With the peon sized brain you've got maybe you don't know that not all Hebrews were taken in captivity alot still live in Ghana, Senegal, Cameroun,  Nigeria South Africa, uganda, kenya etc today still under the same plight.

This is another sad case of putting the cart before the horse, Africans were picking cotton in Africa while our brothers and sisters were doing the same in the west.

Here comes captain save a soul to the rescue, Don't belittle peoples intelligence this way, If someone can log on online and get on Naira Land, I'm sure they could research stuff they read here also, if they chose to. Mr super hero Morpheous24!!

"I was raised by my authentic African grand father and mother which is why I have an authentic identity and an authentic brain. You should attack my points to make me look foolish, which you haven't."

Why would I help you look foolish when you are already doing a bang up job all by your Matrix self LOL!!!! Are you trying to convince yourself of your brain power? or lack thereof?

Not to sound like a broken record,but your ignorance is overwhelming, I know you want all the atttention,just  make your point already and get off my post, or keep hiding like a coward while throwing rocks at me. I've dealt with your type also and like a fizzy pop you'll fizzle away soon when all your carbon 2 oxide is gone.

Still can't ID yourself , whats your age and Location, why are you trying to conceal your true ID, For someone within the age range you sure are silly, playing hide and seek online

Remember Deu 24:7 Please show how that was twisted because I'd like to know how copying and pasting changes to twisting?


My forehead is much stronger than yours,so you won't last very much longer if all you've got are big words(Hot Air) and ideologies with absolutely no substance. A chritsian in stealth mode, at least others can defend their stances. but you've got nothing to defend litte man!

Salaam
Victory

I said the dispersal of Africans to different parts of the continent preceeds the biblical or historical time table of the demise of the two kingdoms of israel which you base your dispersal of lost hebrew tribes from. You won't answer that question

When did these hebrews arrive in the West Africa and what language did they speak?
How do you account for the languages that exist in the West African region and all of Africa today and how do you trace language origins to Hebrew. I guess your hebrew brothers intermingeled with existing tribes in West Africa and somehow God's punishment found you sailing to the other side of the world huh?
Name the countries in West Africa where cotton fields were existent as an economical exploitable resource?

DeuT 24:7 is twisted by your twisted ideology. Africans sold Africans, so if you hold true to your scripture your hebre brothers sold you away, which is why in the earllier post I told you to kill them as well cause some of them sold your ass off.

You seek to attack me as a christians when I have neither denied nor claimed such, not very smart of you.

You say i should state my point. My point is your gibberish is redrick. The truth is evident to those who really search for it.

Answer my questions and  stop throwing abuses left and right. You are avoiding the questions. lets see who falls on the wayside.

Don't corner me by saying I should tell you who the messiah is. Stating a reoccuring belief by many does not subscribe me to that tenent. Thats not what I am arguing here.

Answer my questions above and prove to everyone that comes to this thread that I am talking gibberish.

Oh yeah almost forgot. Morpheus says " follow me Alice and I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes"

Yisraylite:
@ Cgift
Don't I know you? I see you trying to get your two cents in, so let me say this ,please go to church with your christianity This aint the place for your Roman Catholic bible quotes

This here is the real world and I'm not a nice sweet christian like you, I don't have any sweets or candies for you so just go away already. Why don't you post a response on the bulletin board topic instead of looking to step on this lion's tail

salaam
Victory

If you are not christian i.e one who follows the messiah predicted in the "old testament" and you are not a muslim then what are you. Where does this your knowledge or the talmud/Torah come from?

Define yourself?

Can anyone give me adivce on flying Virgin Nigeria on connect from the us into lagos. I heard they are notorious for delays and cancellations.

Experiencies please>

You must think I am approaching your scripture with very little knowledge of what your pseudo religion teaches. If you read carefully. You will know I have already encountered people like you who continue to spew this false doctrine, 

You ask what I stand for. I stand for truth.
"Caucasion wannabe". haha! laughable. It is you my friend who is more obsessed with race than I am which is why every single utterance of your so called religion references "blacK' and "White".

I am defending the helpless gullible souls who are devoid of their origins and unfortunately soak up rubbish ideologies. You are not the first to come up with this concept. You  keep recycling this propaganda over and over again. It is the same old rederick over and over again. Disassociate yourself from the oppressor creating false fantasises in order to give yourself self worth. Put more value on yourselves to justify your oppression.


I was raised by my authentic African grand father and mother which is why I have an authentic identity and an authentic brain. You should attack my points to make me look foolish, which you haven't.

I said the images of Jesus on walls and paintings are not authentic, I don't need to follow your false doctrine to come to that conclusion.

I said your doctrine is born out of oppression which is why you emphasis race and color.

I say believing you are the  descendants of lost tribes of israelites and somehow being able to trace that lineage by quoting scripture which you manipulate is false doctrine.

I say you come from the tribes that inhabit the region of West Africa as they still exist today you say otherwise. If your so called prophecies were region specific to North east Africa. What has that got to do with West Africans being taken as slaves to the West. The dispersal of the indigenous Africans through out the continent happen long before any dispersal of any so called Israelites. Stop claiming who you are not.

I say your black skin is the result of adaptation and nothing more you quote me lineages of cush, magog and so on which was a philosophers(Josephus) way of identifiying the tribes that lived round him inconnection to the bible not taking into account other vast peoples that populated the earth as he had limited information.

I don't hate the scripture you post. I just see how you are twisting it as others have done in the past to suite your agenda.

Morpheus says " The world is pulled over your eyes to blind you to the truth"." What truth?". " That you are still a slave"


ps lets just say I am in your age range so don't worry you are not tossling with a litte kid if that bruises your ego.

One, Moses was not a white guy, I never said that not did anyone else who has common sense or a brain. That your poor mind was poisned by watching Charlton Heston in the Ten commandments is not my fault. I never saw nor did  I think Moses to ever be white. I don't know what your defintion of "White" is in the first place. Whether you are talking about a middle eastern or an European? What has Moses marrying and Abbyssinian got to do with anything?

West Africa was unpopulated with people "not centuries" but Thousands of years ago. The migration was estimated to be from East to West Beginning in East Africa as the earth became desertificated forcing populations to migrate to regions where there was sustenance for survival.

I don't know who your ancestors are but if some how you are trying to use some kind of genetical link of Ancient Egyptians to West Africans then I know you are really dreaming.


Yeah sure there was a great conspiracy by the blue eyed Devil white man to disconnect you from your heritage so he could disconnet you from your so called "Inheritance" . Mind you he did colonize many other countries and continents apart from the new worlda md Africa I guess he didn't try to do the same thing to those people as well and only you "the Black man' are the special one of all people to experience such profound tragedy.

There are still Africans and your bloody cousins living in Africa so I don't know who you think you are . Did the White man only remove the certain Select descendants of the tewlve tribes from African and supplant them in the new world or are the remaing Africans in Africa today still part of the lost tribes seeing that we sill have our ethnicities intact.

Psam 68:31 is used by Rastafaris a lot. I guess your version is the true one as well huh?


You bad on the greco roman conception of fairy tales. Yet you plagarise from the very same scripture as they, exclaiming that yours is the truth. Tell me who gave you this revelation. Was it inspiration. Did God or an angel come to your people and reveal the true meanings of this scripture you plagarise and twist its meaning. You are no different from the mormons or the Muslims or the Rastafaris or the so called WHite greco fairytalers.

The pictures of the White Jesus or the so called roman emperor you fools always empahsis on as the portrait of Jesus has no relevance to me in anyway shape or form when trying to decipher who Jesus is so stop assuming rubbish. Your fascinatino with his depiction and color just show how degenrated your brain has become because of opression. You and your brothers are a victim of your own ignorance. You still have slave mentalities and are just fooling yourselfs with this rubbish of the black israelites.  My eyes are wide open to your Lies such as the ones perpertrated by your false doctrine and that of the roman empire. It is simple to see that they are founded in hatred of oneself.

Using the descendants of the sons of cush or sons of japehth or magog is pseudo history. You ar as bad as pastore hagee.You are commiting the same henious falsehood as the people who made up the story of the curse of Ham. using biblical references to twist the truth to satisfy your ideology.

Your black skin is a simple adaptation to your enviroment no more no less. You and your ancestors look the way you are because you couldn't have survived your terrain if you didn't. Stop fooling yourself and using your color as some sort of justification for your situation in life.

Morpheus says "FREE YOUR MIND"

Ps the matrix is just a movie okay.

Why don't you numskulls go tell the aborigines that live in papau new guinea who can't herd cattle or find your brand of sustenance to stop eating dead pigs they happen to find and the die.

When they do then god will welcome them into heaven.

Numskulls!!

Yisraylite:
The laws of slavery and servitude are very clear in the Torah! what happened here was the blatant theft of human beings. Lots of our people were stolen by their fellow africans and then sold into slavery to the white man. There is only one law for this situation

Deu 24:7 ¶ If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Yisrayl, and makes merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.

Salaam
Victory

Lots of "MY PEOPLE" were stolen not lots of your people. Lots of asian people were sold to lots of north african peoples as well. lots of english serfs were sold to lots of other people as well. Lots of deserter roan soldiers were sold to lots of arab people, lots of east africans were sold to lots of arab people. Whats your point.

That the African sold into the Americas is some fantastic biblical prophecy. I guess you should kill all the Africans that sold other Africans to death as well. See if you can find them.

Watch your response. You will through some verse at me to justify your point like allyou numskulls always do. Go and test your DNA and findout what ehtnic group you come from in West Africa and stop decieving yourself . Blood is thicker than water.

Morpheus says "You are living in a dreamworld, if you are asleep how can you tell the difference btw the dreamworld and the real world"

Yisralyte

Horse crab!I've heard your redrick before. a pseudo christian made up religion by slave descendants to justify and make sense of Slavery. You might as well believe the maroon religion of the jamaicans who say Hellaie sellaise is the lion of Judah. Hahahahahaa!!

Children of israel my foot. You and I are West African. Our ancestors have lived in that region for thousands of years.

Morpheus says "Wake up"

Pastor AIO:
There will always be a market for people like him to exploit, no matter what religion will be in vogue at the time. Chaps like him are so adaptable. How did the Catholic Church go from being a great LovePeddler to a partner in Christ. That is an even greater indictment of the man than his initial words on Catholicism. These people are so Bendy bendy. If Islam becomes a political power in the US tomorrow just watch how fast that guy will make it to the mosque to join in fellowship afterall 'we are all worshipping the same god'.

You no lie oh!. We go with the trends of the times

Huxley

You are quite a smart chap, However one thing I would advice you is to "beware" the philosophies of Men and keep an open mind, trying to drive your point of the non existence of a Divine being is duely noted however your approach especially in this forum can be counter productive to you actually achieving your point or argueing the position.

I am sorry for anyone who listens to the preachings of that man. All he does is scare you into believing in God by preaching Fire and Brimstone. A tactic that has been used for many centuries on end to deceive many people.

This so called prophecy teachers are only playing on your fears and misunderstanding.

Religion is man made. Faith and Spirituality is divine. As far as the Pastor saying anyting about the Catholic church he is the very child of that "LovePeddler" he so reviles unbeknown to the dummy.

londoner:
I seem to remember there was a program not long ago, where various US entertainers actually had DNA testing to find out where they originated in Africa. TD Jakes, the preacher traced his to the Igbos.

There was a similiar program in the Uk and those individuals did in fact trace the tribe they came from, not just the country or region. On of my Carribean friends did the same and she was able to trace the tribe she came from.
Its plausable that many individuals will descend from more than one tribe or region.

@Emad, most people could see the difference between a kenyan and a Ugandan. They don't really look that similiar to me. Its more likely that someone who is not around a varied group of East Africans who will think they all look the same or similiar.

Its like west Africans, we may all look alike to an East African person, but we know that many times you can tell the difference between a Nigerian and Ghanaian, or a Senegalese person from a Camerounian.

They are still doing the test now and again though the test has reasonable sampling questions it is quite accurate to a point.

East and West Africans are more genetically similar to each other than say an arab. There may be physical characteristics that are prevalent in each group that distinguish them from one another but still doesn't change their genetics.

To get back to the topic. It is not impossible for an AA to trace his ancestry to the Igbo of Nigeria. Many brazilian blacks can trace their culture and genetics primarily to the Yoruba, Mozambique and Angolan ethnic groups despite the admixture with indians and portuguese

Emad:
londoner just to point out one thing

i have a colleague who is from the Bamileke tribe in Cameroon
When NIgerians ( igbos meet him ) they always start talking to him in
Igbo, then he has to explain that his Father is Bamileke and his mother is
Congolese, he is in no way related to Igbos

one thing is certain, he does look like a Peron from the Central West of africa

He is physically similar to anyone close to his region. he could like wise have resembled a calabar person. It doesn't change his genetics. Genotype(the make up of an individual) preceeds phenotype(The physical appearanceof an individual). Likewise a British person can look very similar to an Irish person doesn't mean their genetics are the same, just means they are similar.

I am not trying to win any arguement here. The fact that you do not believe that DNA can trace ancestry to a minimal accurate point doesn't mean its not been proven or is not true. Of course there are elements to the experiment that can be questioned but much less when it comes to DNA.

Again you can trace someone's ancestry first to the continent(Obvious phenotype outwardly features) , then the region most of their genes are concentrated in then to particulars where their clusters exist the most whether you agree or not. I suggest you google Y chromosone DNA and see what I am talking about.

You are able to tell the genetic difference between a Yoruba and an Igbo from a senegalise or zambian. If you can do that. you can trace back further as well the ancestry of AA regardless of the admixtures which you are assuming took place at a rampant rate from slavery up until 1960 when interacial dating was permitted in the US.

Prove your point.

In terms of phenotype. Kobe bryants features are not consitent with East Africans therefore one can "assume" before even going inot genetic tests that it is most likely he is not of southern African origins or east African origins. same goes for Kevin Garnett.

You start from the outside and work your way in.

Emad:
a rough estimate can be made, may be we can say, one person must have come from the western part of africa ( nigeria, ghana benin togo )
or from Nigeria as a whole ( if the estimates are as close to perfection as possible )
BUT NOT FROM an identified tribe like Mr poster is asserting

No not rough estimates. Exact estimates can be made. We can't say maybe. Yes Yes Yes we can say they come from specific ethnic group on Africa. The admixture youare thinking about to totally dispersse African Americans in terms of genetics is too short of a time span. Its only 400 years.

Emad:
morpheus24

we can argue until tomorrow but i still donot Agree one bit with what the poster says
and definitely NOT 60% , not over 400 years of varying mixtures,
One thing about the salve trade tough is that the slaves taken off from the Ghana slave port for example were not
only of ghanian origin
they came from everywhere, because the Village chiefs sold of The thiefs, the prisoners of war which they had captured from
inter tribal wars etc, and when the slaves were taken from thana port they were put on the ship, and then taken to the Benin port and more slaves joined together
and then further westward and then shipped off finally to portugal

if a slave lady from Ghana ha a son with a portugese man, and this son later on married a liberian and then their son married a SouthAfrican,, and so on
if the person at the top of the slave chart was a lady who carries the XX ( if my bology is right )
how do you trace 400 years later where their great great great great grand daught is from ??

I am not arguing. i am stating proven facts. I already said the poster was exaggerating. It seems you are not reading my post carefully and probably don't have a full understanding of genetics to argue your point. You are baseing your arguement on the assumption that because many ethnic groups were taken from Africa we cannot trace the genealogy a certain group of them. Take Haiti for example. Most of the people on that island can trace their genetic ancestary to the Kingdom of Dahomey not Mozambique or senegal. how do you think they did that?. You are not taking into account populaton segregation factors into account.

The answer to your question concerning the ghanian mixed child would be they would be able to trace this mtna(mitrochondial DNA) to a specific cluster in African  eliminating possiblities of where his great great grand mother could have come from and eventually pinpointing an almost exact location of where his ancestors on his mothers side originate from regardless of the fact that he marries liberian and his son marries a south african. There would be frequencies of genetical markers that can trace origins.

Emad:
morpheus24

i get your drift totally, but then again i will repeat myself, we are talking about over 400 years of RANDOM mixage
the scientist can prove all sorts of things but there is still great Margin for Doubt

Tribes were divided by colonialism
For example the Bantu tribe that stretches from Cameroon through Gabon, to Congo

I am sure if you take the genes from each chluster they will look alike by virtue of their origin, but how do you tell
that the particular person in question comes from Cameroon, Gabon or the congo part of the Bantu tribe?

The 400 years of mixing was not "random". Certain African populations for a certian period of time during slavrry did not move around plantatations though some were sold off but the majority lived for several generations in isolated areas in the US keeponig the genes intact for several generations.
Africans are genetically different from one another compared to the rest of the populations of theworld which is why the hypothesis of man originating from Africa is strongly held as true by scientist. The more the variance in a given area the older the people are.

Bantu is not a good term to describe West and Central Africa and is conjured name by european scientists trying to classify Africans from a linguistic point of view. If you were to test the genes of a camerounnian, Gabon or congo you would find similar strains of geneflow across the countries however the Y chromosone DNA( this is the gene that is past only from father to son and so on and this does not change regardless of mixture) which is how you will be able to tell that one persons forefather is Igbo compared to anyother tribe in Africa.


The poster exaggerates the point but he is not totally incorrect if he can provide proof.

Emad:
sorry i do not agree

400 years of perpertual intermarriages is a lot of time
and these are people who were taken from Nigeria, Benin, togo, niger, the inner hinterlands of African, mixed with the southern Africans
( that's only Africa alone)
When the slave women went there they were raped on serial ocasions by white slave owners ( from all parts of the world) , the coloured children they had were intermarried again and again amongst africans of different origins

I am willing to bet on 2% but definitely NOT on 60% that is tooooo coincidental , and for the number of people she / he mentioned above
I GREATLY DOUBT IT

Again it is possible for any of those people pictured above to be of primary igbo descent. The 60% of AA concentrated in Georgia for example who were sampled may have a cluster of genes that appear dominant in the Igbo from the south of Nigeria.

Yes there has been mixing of different kinds. However this does not take away the fact that African Americans can trace their origin of depatures from Africa.

A mixed child with one european parent and one African parent will inherit 23 chormosone each from a cluster of genes that are dominant in europeans and dominant in Africans. Making him 50% european and 50% African. If you concentrate on the cluster of the european genes you can pinpoint specifically where the cluster of Y chromosone genes come from ie it can be irish, german, scandanavian and so on. Likewise the African side. If you continue to split these genes and track their frequency you can pinpoint what village in ireland that particular mixed child Great great great grandfather came from which inevitaly ties him patrilinealy to that part of the world.

Catch my drift.