₦airaland Forum

tpia:
@ mcUsman: I said Middle east, not Middle Belt.

@ morpheus and ono: you need to follow the world economy before assuming things will continue the way they are ad infinitum.  We are in the age of globalization, so thinking Nigeria is at the center of the universe, is a big error. If the global economy crashes, then some countries will no longer abide by the current rules. Thats why in western countries, anytime they start feeling pinched financially, they start lashing out at immigrants and demanding they go back home.

Looking at Congo and the Sudan, which factions are winning and which factions are losing? Trying to match yourselves man for man by doing numerical counts like kindergarten kids, is childish. War is much more complicated than all that.

This isnt about secession. Its about regions doing what they feel needs to be done in order to survive ( or get richer).

When you all are shouting about the north being cattle rearers and poverty stricken, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to focus on the fact that if your claims are indeed true, then it may be a better move to simply invade your more prosperous neighbors to the south. As was done before.

Not to mention the fact that its these same northerners you depend on for cattle when performing social functions and for elevated social status in your local community. No be them dey supply the cows una dey take do burial? Who in the south can can host a "befitting" burial of his relation using only goats? You people need to think, for real. You depend on the north in more ways than you want to admit.

And like I said, anyone thinking Europeans will make tribalism a personal do or die thing, is fooling themselves. In case you're counting on European support.  Mercenaries are known to switch sides.

Marginalizing people or regions in a country is a dangerous combination in a country as diverse as Nigeria. If we are to follow the trends of globalization in terms of how the world is moving economically then it is in the best interest of the south south to seperate from the north. I am under no assumption that all they do there is rear cattle. Advocating some sort of seperation does not mean we cannot trade with the Northeners when it comes to these commodities you speak off. I mean really is using a cow versus a goat something of high importance in determining if a country should together.

The countries that broke away from the soviet union did so for a reason( the world was going capitalist and democratic) otherwise I wonder why they didn't choose to stick with Union seeing that it was advantageous to them in terms of size and technological know how.

I am not blaming the north for anything, only that if they choose to self determine themselves with sharia courts, islamic fundamentalist and systematic authocratic rule. I don't want a piece of it nor their cows, milk or groundnut. We'll learn to live without it.

MC Usman:
44 countries of the world are without direct access to the sea and therefore shipping trade. Of those countries two are described as double landlocked because they are surrounded by countries that are also landlocked. They are: Liechtenstein and Uzbekistan. morpheus24 you may tend to ask your self how come many of these countries are doing just fine, and at the same countries with long costal areas are worse off.

Afghanistan  Andorra  Armenia  Austria  Azerbaijan  Belarus  Bhutan  Bolivia  Botswana  Burkina Faso
Burundi  Central African Republic  Chad  Czech Republic  Ethiopia  Hungary  Kazakhstan  Kyrgyzstan
Laos  Lesotho  Liechtenstein  Luxembourg  Macedonia  Malawi  Mali  Moldova  Mongolia
Nepal  Niger  Paraguay  Rwanda  San Marino  Serbia  Slovakia  Swaziland  Switzerland  Tajikistan
Turkmenistan  Uganda  Uzbekistan  Vatican City  West Bank  Zambia  Zimbabwe

Why the sub division (middlebelt) when we are dealing with two regions.



When all your ingenuity and innovations are geared towards the commission of crimes such as 419, fraud & fake & substandard products. Unlike the Western world and Far East that has used their human ingenuity for socio-economic development.

At least you admit the south has more ingenuity than the North which is paramount to the succes of any nation. I am ready to leave the north with all your food and trade that in for the chance to succeed as a nation with self determination.

Lets compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges. The history of the countries you are talking about cannot be compared to the situation in Nigeria otherwise go ask the Ethiopians why they are so pissed off at the Eritreans and how that regions break away has affected them economically.

tpia:
stop dreaming.

If the north divides from the south, what prevents the north from invading the south anyway, if push comes to shove?

They'll have the full support of the middle east and the tacit support of the western world who may provide vocal encouragement to both sides so they ( the west) will gain regardless who wins.

or do you think Europeans wont do business with the north out of love for the south?

Gone are the days of the situation that took place during the Nigerian/Biafran war in as far as allies are concerned. We are dealing with the threat of terrrorism, islamic fundamentalism, religious persecution and so on. i dulb the West willb e as forth coming as in the past in supporting the north as was imperative in the past due to the cold war syndrome.

Maybe support from the middle east but not in as far as invading a country that is seeking independence from its neighbours on religious and ethnic grounds. i would love to live side by side with the northernes as many of y youth years were speknt there but in my adulthood have come to realise that our destinies are taking a very divergent path. One inclined to western values of democracy, freedom of thought and progress and the other stuck in the past with authocractic like figures who wish to leave the people uneducated and under control.

MC Usman:
@ You're too often now sounding like Jubril Aminu, the illiterate quota proffessor from Adamawa.

I'm Not Nigerian & North Will Die Without Oil- Asari

@ Eziachi


If I may ask why do you have such profound hatred for the north? The way I see it you are afraid to confront the Yoruba’s knowing fully well that you risk onslaught from their ever representative members in nairaland. But perhaps the most compelling reason is that your memory shrinks and your post are all geared towards ethnic division. This relative fluidity of identity is one of the factors, which make the Diaspora of Post Colonialism a nation afloat.

I advise you to wither away with the wind.

With all due respect to Eziachi I think he is stuck in the past and is suffering from post Biafra withdrawals. I believe every peoples have a right to self determination but the Nigerian experiment is working in many underlying aspects which Eziachi is unwilling to acknowledge and is bent on focusing on the negative effects of several situations.

Even if the Igbo or Biafra were given the the south south part of the country today, the inbred corruptive nature of the Former NIgerians will linger in that state and probably will ultimately destroy it.

I for one support the peacful seperation of the northern and southern belt of the country. Lets see how the north will deal with being completely cut of from the sea region in terms of importation, oil revenues and survival.

Ifd al lthe oil revnues were diverted to the actual  states that actually contribute to its production I don't see how the south will not have enough income to buy the food supply it needs and have enough reserve to import and practise technology based farming systems akeen to the vegetation of the south.

Frankly speaking I don't see any usefulness the north offers the southern part of Nigeria in terms of ingenuity,innovation, economic activity other that food.

I would like you to rephrase tha question agaoin this time with the barrel of a gun down your throat.

Will yoou choose to die hero or live to see another day.


Ojukwu ""HERO"

I know lil mama is gay fo sho!

Seun:
The country is just too small to compete with Nigeria.

Size may not matter in this instance but quality of production and appeal.

thando:
140 mil against 45 mil. alright alright i get it morph comparing a 15 yr old to a 50 yr old is definately not fair.

Tis not age we are talking about, its the share size and cumulative effect of brilliant minds.

Nwaka77:
All these Non-Naija Africans running their big mouth. So why then are you on these website or did you people miss road? Jealous imbeciles!

There's not enough of them who know how to use the internet yet so the ones who do, have no where else exciting to go.

DRANOEL:
can you elaborate on that? nigerians basically have no time hating other africans living in their country and definitely don't label any bad!

You just did the elaborating in your comment above.

DRANOEL:
@rsa

lagos is a jungle.be carefull when you come.i recommend abuja for you.

south africa is nice but the hate against other africans especially nigerians is the thing bringing the country down. if only south africans can have the nigerian spirit!

RSA if you coming into lagos. The people are very friendly. I lived in lagos over 20 years of my life and go back frequently so I am a reliable source. I

If you hang around the island, lekki and Ikoyi you are good to go which is pretty much the commercial nerve center of the city. lagos is very similar to new york or even johannesburg in that is a busy city with people scufflling here and there so don't become over-whelmed by what you see. If you have guide to show you round the city that would be highly recommended if this is your first time. However be observant of everything around you and notice that lagos people are very loud and in your face, much like new york but will do you no harm.


As for the comments on the "Nigerian spirit" . The reason Nigerians don't get into the business of other Africans per say is because they are too busy trying to sort themselves out to pay attention to any other countries problems. That is the Nigerian spirit you are obviously talking about.

Body full ground - I am here
I day kamkpe I am not going anywhere. I think Kamkpe is a Yoruba word not sure?


Una- You people--possible a mispronouciatin of "you are"

Hye peoples

I have been noticing a trend concerning movies that are being rented by my fellow naijas, more and more they have swirtched from regular nollywood movies to Movies which have predominantly Ghanaian actors like Jackie Appiah, nadia Buari and Van Vick.

DO you think Nollywood is experiencing a Ghanaian Hostile Take over?

Thor:
@morpheus24

It was just the hipocrosy of it all, that the sun shines out of South Africa's ass because they are going to build a few stadiums for the 2010 world cup. that money should be spent on housing, health care, law and order and a million other things.

Having a few glitzy buildings does not make the RSA better than any other African nation when in so many other areas it falls down.

We have to focus on the pain and anquish as it will all be there after the 30 days of football has finsished

The exposure the country is going to get from hosting a world class event is a good thing cause it will generate economic activity and in turn the capital will trickle down to the common man and hopefully a few people will benefit. Even before RSA started postign pics of SA most of us were aware of the beauty and well planned infrastructure of the country. Some of us however don't have an idea what the place looks likes so this forum is basically for them.

To do a comparison of who is better off comparing Nigeria and SA is very relative in terms of population, politics, stability, history,education wealth and access so thses parts are debatable.

It is incumbant on all of us as Africans to point out our weaknessess only then do we realize our short comings and try to fix the problem.

Like I said earlier xenophobia is real and not just a conjured up premise by the media. Violence is a significant problem for SA when you factor in the advanced nature of the country so the SA governemtn trying to tuck these things under the rug even during the World cup will not help in the long run. We saw the results of this just a few months ago. Those people that died were HUMAN BEINGS. AIDs is a big problem for the country as well and believe me I have done live statistics on this and when stats say 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 SA are infected, those figures are almost statistically correct.

I however encourage the promotion of 2010 with a WARNING LABEl though cause all is not well in SA.

Richest man in Naija by wayo is not richest black man. Go and ask PDP where they get all their campaign funds for in exchange for monopolising industires in naija.

Richest man my ass

I smell some oil exploration has to do with this.

Please don't think the Nigerian government ceded tha land for nothing. I smell negotiations which are going to make some Cameronians and Nigerians rich on the expense of poor fishermen

Again I smell gas flares

Thor:
Everything of value in South Africa has been built by the whites, the unfortunate fact is that if it was left to the natives, RSA would be no different to Nigeria. The white farmers also feed the nation and many are now facing losing their farms in land repatriation. If this happens, RSA will go the same as many other African nations who can not feed themselves (Zimbabwe as a prime example)

It was the white farmers that made Zimbabwe the bread basket of Africa, now the black farmers can not grow anything and people starve.

Instead of posting pictures of multi million dollar white man construction projects, lets see the reality of black South Africa in 2008.

The truth sometimes hurts

It is good you are posting these pictures cause a coin does have two faces. However the point of people with a brain is not to focus on the pain and anguish you feel when you see this pictures but to try to understand the underlying reasons that caused such reactions which is the only way you save lives in the future and a nation can move forward in making sure such things do not repeat themselves.

I dare you to mention ONE country on earth  that has not gone through a similar occurence. If you can, then go ahead an codemn SA all you want. You will be justifiedi n doing so, but if you can't then please be constructive in your criticism instead of spewing anger and Hate.

You have a one in four chance of having an SS child. which means if you have 4 children. It is very likely that 1 of them will be SS but not all.

I have many friends who are from such homes and I really don't know what to say cause most of them came out healthy cept one. Its up to you my friend. If you are ready to live with the consequencies then go ahead and procreate.

Life is better that no life.

Lets see.

Take the yansh and hips of a South African

Mix with the face and hair of an ethiopian

Coupled with the sensual dancing skills of the congolese

The eloquent speech, height and demeanor of a Nigerian

complete with smooth black skin of the senegalese

AND VOILA "THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN AFRICA"

thando:
lol.damn morphy what ull know bout iluminating anything.i suppose u ve been takin way 2 many steps in the wrong direction

It still still does not diminish the potential Positive/negative power.

140 million against 40 million - 5million (White)- 10 million (colored/indian) is no match.

Which is why you are afraid.

FEAR breeds ANGER which breeds HATRED.

Simple as that.

thando:
its so amazing how so many people live in such small space.overcrowding 2gether with a whole lotta other problems.no wonder ull always so eager to get out.problem is EVERYBODY in naija wants to travel for abroad whether skilled or unskilled.in their 1000s when these unskilled reach for foreign land and realise that the rumour is actually true the grass is not very green on the other side.they then turn to all sorts of criminal activities which is seemingly like second nature to u people.dey naija sha

Thando.

You dey craze! Naijas are like Nuclear power plants. One step to the right and we can illuminate the world with light and Power but one step to the left and collectively we can be a destructive force,

That my friend is power you don't have yet.

Thor:
Car jacking capital of the world

Thor. Stop what you are doing. If you want to debate, do so on relevant points and let everyone comeout of this with a better understanding. Thats the point of exchanging ideas. If your objective is to criticize then you are not doing anything constructive.

Expressing your opinion is good but not when it is not constructive, otherwise thats trolling.

RSA and Mpele

As I mentioned earlier, Your country is faced with the dilemma of strenghtening cultural and economic ties with other African nations in terms of re-educating the people(especially the black populous) on the potentials of doing business with other like nations. You can begin with the southern countries by building strong cultural and economic ties. Most the SA companies outside of the country are not owned or operated by the black/coloured population. One because "THEY" keep making you think there is no potential in these other countries.

Let me give you an example. The GDP of most well to do African Americans surpasses many countries around the world yet their investments are limited to their country thereby limiting their growth potential and thus the ability to expand. If today Jay Z and a bunch of well to do business men venture into a country like Nigeria or Ghana, their potential turn around is limitless depending on what type of business they get into, thereby expanding their porfolio not only within their country but around the entire world. They have access to the best technology and know how, yet are limited by their range of foresight. Why do you think?

Cause someone doesn't wnat them to know or have the ability to penetrate those markets.

Don't become a victim of the house Negro/ Field negro syndrome.

Tell Fashola to do what ever it is in his power to protect out lives and property by providing adequate security for the citizens of lagos state then maybe some of the professionals will come back. I know this is what most people fear the most.

How can you revert back to a society where as soons as it is 7pm you will be locking your self up in the house till day break

Africa has a lot to offer to Black South Africans. Most S. Africans should make it a perogative to travel to other african countires if not for leisure then business. The same reason an Afrian American doesn't know the capital of Ghana is the same reason a S. African doesn't.

The use of the word "FOREIGNER" is alien to most Africans or more precise West Africans. I do not see a Ghanaian or senegalese person as a foreigner in the country though they are, its a misnomer to my thinking. THe very word creates division. The cockiness of most Africans is misunderstood and simply self pride in ones identity.

Theh bully effect is what causes Short-tempered ness in most South Africans as well as the quick reaction time. See similarities with African Americans to understand that point. Everyone should behave when they venture into someone elses country but that is not an open invitation to intimidation.
To understand the Nigerian psyche you have to imagine the largest number of people living on the continent struggling in a small space. This breeds aggression, a wanting to stand out in all situations and a yearning to progress rapidlly. Competition creates this.

I speak to a lot of a Africans and the excitement of SA hosting the World cup has dwindled amongst the continent's populous due to the negative imagery of the unwelcome spirit of SAfricans . I am however aware of the media hype and know this is not something that happens on a daily basis. Hoever imagery is a powerful medium and i am really not sure how You guys will fix that but its up to you.
As for Nigeria we know what problems we have as far as imagery is concerned but as you probably know well now have to live with these perceptions and only try our best to let people know out of 140 million people there are only a minute number of rotten eggs.

Good luck with 2010.

Mpele:
Race relations in South Africa is like in USA and Brazil. But mainly our system is like the one in the USA. Just like in the states the areas are divided. In the states you have the hood or the ghetto, while in South Africa we have the townships. Racial segregation has ruled the two countries for two centuries. After 1994 in South Africa thing improved. Blacks, Whites and Indians mingle freely and even marry each other. Yes just like in Europe and America we also have right wing, racist whites. But besides that race relations have improved. The only thing that makes our so called fellow Africans hate us is that we don't have any connection with the continent in terms of the way of life and also the culture. The only thing binding us together is the skin colour and the geographic location of our country. You average South Africans don't even know some of the countries in the continent. Two of the most well known countries are Zimbabwe and Nigeria.

What I want to tell Nigerians is that we never choose to live like this. Nobody called white people to South Africa. To tell the truth, I'm glad they came. Our standard of living is way much better than of any country in Africa. Many South Africans don't even see a need to seek a better life in America or Britain. Many Africans who are in Europe or America always say that they're exploring, that's a lie. Many of you are escaping poverty in your countries. I've been to Ibadan and also Lagos. The level of poverty in these towns is no difference to other countries like Senegal, Ghana, Cameroon etc. Yes we have poverty in South Africa, but that is a drop in the ocean compered to Africa.

People can insult us and call us names, but I' proud that I'm living in a cultural melting pot. I don't need buy a plane ticket to see white, Indians and other tribes. I have them right here. I have Indian, Chinese and white friends. I have learned about ther culture and they've learned about mine. I proudly South African

4 the first time in this forum you are actually bringing it on an intellectual stance. You hit the nail on the head on several points. I am a student of African history and each time I come across the history of S. Africa and its aftermath there is no doubt in its striking similarities with the experience of African Americans in America in terms of the psyche of the people.

There has been an observable disconnect of S. Africans with the continent of Africa in terms of knowledge and a shared history of relations. A problem whether deliberately constructed or circumstantial, non the less a problem. Everyone loves their country as much as you love yours so don't question the reasons people flee their homelands, If they had a choice they would not leave. Everyman seeks to exercise his right to life and liberty anywhere he can find it, because SAfricans are fortunate or unfortunate enough (depending on how you look at it) to benefit from the foundations of first world technologies, does not make you better in any human terms that another human. SOME people would not trade the inhumane treatment and psychological damage of many who have suffered in the hands of oppressors for all the luxuries in the world. I suggest you study the HAUSA people that live in Nigeria and calculate the percentage of them who actually leave the country.

Like the African Americans it is ultimately your choice if you wish to have a solid cross cultural relationship with the rest of Africa. Whether you do or not , We will still be hear today, tommorrow, next millenium and forever. You have seen what segregation and separation creates. The bullying effect is a very powerful psychological phenomenon. FREE YOUR MIND!

Wait a minute!

I thought the dragon was the G8 or no wait wasn't it Saddam, or Hitler, no I remember hearing the Catholic Church was the beast.

When will you numskulls make up your mind and tell us which one it is?

Wait a minute!

I thought the dragon was the G8 or no wait wasn't it Saddam, or Hitler, no I remember hearing the Catholic Church was the beast.

When will you numskulls make up your mind and tell us which one it is?

Eziachi:
Don't bring colour into this. Are saying that we shall bring back the Brits so that we can be like South Africa? There is nothing wrong with black man and their skills, it just that our culture of bigmanism is killing many African nations. People in power threat their positions as unelected Monarchs.

South African is still progressing after aparthide because Mandela set the pace for good governance, couple with well develop white skills which they deliberately retained instaed of being consumed by revenge after the minority rule but the likes of Nigeria completely wiped out any trace of the whiteman after their independence instaed of keeping some of them for a while to get the skills from them.

Nigeria for instance were so desperate that they change the way we drive from left to right just to prove a point, changed the pounds to a useless Naira just to prove a point of our independent. Look at at how Mugabe ended up with Zimbabwe when he decided to use unskillful people instaed of experience.

Eziachi you are quite wrong on some of your points here. Nigeria did not wipeout any White people nor was is necessary to keep them. When other non-western countries became independent or charted their own destiny, the key to their success was efficient management of their fiscal policies and both human and natural resources, something Nigeria is clueless about because of those power hungy illiterates that run government. The transfer of skilled labor from the hands of the White specialist to the hands of the capable domestics is essential to curb dependency manipulation of those who discovered the technology first.

The world cup is a good thing for S. Africa only if they continue to realize how important it is for the image of Africa as a whole and with much responsibility comes much scrutiny.

james1:
Hello Everyone.
The truth about Nigeria is that we offended God;if not,in most if not all churches in the land people don't fail to pray for Nigeria.
Why with all these prayers we still get very bad leaders that leave most of us baffled by the brazen way they go about with the looting of funds without a care in the world whether they will be noticed and caught?
Truth is: prayer is not enough anymore.there must some other way to solve Nigeria's myriad of problems.
So fellow nairalanders,start thinking!??

If what you are saying is right then about 85% of Africa must have offended God to receive such a punishment from Him, otherwise the alternative is there is some endemic systematic problem that most african countries are suffering which if tackled correctly can be solved.

i think we should stop asking God for help and start helping ourselves first.

RSA:
Eziachi thank you,I will post you more pics,my wife is complaining now,I need to attend to her.

RSA

Don't mind some naija people. They are enemies of progress  who speak before they think. Please continue to post the positive images of your country and leave these dummies alone. They are not worth the effort of education.