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Amujale:
You are utterly and completely wrong, your fried brain is getting the better of you.

Cheikh Anta Diop wasn’t merely an Anthropologist, he held distinctions in multiple disciplines.

History never runs out of date, the reason it’s called history in the first place.

Please answer my other question O!, this running around ithe subject is exposing you as a nuisance.

Cheikh Anta Diops's contribution to this matter as you psoted is within the field of Anthropology i.e. the study of the origins of man.

He is not a scientist O

He makes no commentary of genetics o!


If you are looking for a black scientist that comments on these matters Keita who is an expat is who you should refer to .


Olodo!

Amujale:
You are a complete and utter dunce.

It’s my pleasure to expose your unintelligible arguments.

You continue to prove that you cannot read not understand written text properly.

If you cannot read nor understand what is written then just STFU.

Nobody is interested in your Eurocentric’s was gibberish.

Please expose me I beg you , counter my arguments or at least answer the question I have been asking you for 100 pages now.

You can't because you don't know how to.

Village boy!

Amujale:
The only person you are embarrassing is yourself.

You haven’t the foggiest idea what you are talking about.

Again, your viewpoints are utterly and completely wrong, belong in the intellectual bin.

hahahahaha!

As usual he doesn't attack any of my points because he is clueless.

matrixme:
This is stupid. Plainly stupid. How do they want other people to interact with them with their unknown language? Countries adopt languages not just because it was introduced by their colonial masters. It is also to be on par with the rest of the world. French should be the third most spoken language in the world or there about.

My friend English will still be used as a Lingua franca as well because the population already understands and uses it on a daily basis. What this means is that their "official language document wise' will be Swahili which is an already spoken language generally in Eastern Africa.

South Africans have 11 official languages, don't they still use English?

Amujale:
All black people are easily associated with Africa.

how are they associate with Africa. What makes them associated with Africa?

Their skin color?

Their body morphology?

Their Brain size?

Their genetics?

Their cranio- metrics.

You are a simpleton olodo!

Amujale:
In antiquity, all black people are African and are the only humans present in the world at the time.

1. What is antiquity? do yo mean in the past and if so , when do you mean.

2. By your logic, all people are African not just black people Olodo!

Amujale:
The oldest human fossil is found in Africa, the oldest human fossils found outside Africa are that of a black Africans.

The oldest human fossil found is Africa is OMO 1 and is dated at 150,000 years ago. These fossils are Anatomically human and so cluster with present day human anatomy. Since they are that old it is neither here nor there what they typically looked like. They could have had wavy to curly hair,( Straight hair is actually the default phenotype for most mammals)jet black to light brown skin and the body morphology of any type of human available today.


The oldest human fossils found outside of Africa are of another human species_ Neanderthal and Denisovan. They are not black Africans.


YOu are an Olodo and have no idea what you are talking about.

Amujale:
“All Nigerian people are intelligent.

Olu is a Nigerian.

Therefore, to everyone else other than Eurocentric and their sympathisers, applying simple logic Olu is an intelligent person.”

If you are trying to follow the logical rules of deductive reasoning here you have failed woefully cause you just wrote gibberish up there.

Amujale:
Exploring the analysis of reputable African historians, academics and scholars, one is bound to reach similar conclusions.

Eurocentric’s view on African history is wrong, I can fully assure everyone reading these text that African historians are accurate in their determinations of our own history.

Data is data. Data is objective information.

A view on something Eurocentric or Afrocentric is called "confirmation bias'. When you propose something in you faculties before actually testing it out just to confirm what you already had in mind in the first place.


No matter how hard you try. You are an Olodo. I gave you fair warning but you wanted to prove stubborn.

I will embarrass you here my young man!

Amujale:
Cheikh Anta Diop, Ivan Sertima, Paul Barton, Louis Farrakhan, W.E.B Dubois, Henry Williams, Kwame Nkrumah, Patrick Lumumba, Chinua Achebe, Wole Soyinka, Nnamdi Azikwe, Obafemi Awolowo e.t.c are indeed correct with their determinations regarding African history.

Eurocentric’s view on African history are completely and utterly wrong.

Cheikh Anta Diop Anthropologist from the early 80's. Information outdated.

Ivan Sertima- Anthropologist from the early 80's. Research outdated.

Paul Barton,- haven't read his works

Louis Farrakhan, W.E.B Dubois, Henry Williams,- African American civil rights activists who are concerned with Politics and civil rights. They are not anthropologists or scientists. The nation of islam did peddle a pseudo scientific story about how Dr. Yakub created white people as an evil experiment and space ships are coming back to take black people to heaven.

Kwame Nkrumah, Patrick Lumumba, Nnamdi Azikwe, Obafemi Awolowo - African nationalists involved in politics and nation building. They are not scientists, Anthropologists or Archealogists.

Olodo. Your name throwing will not save you here!

Amujale:
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The Origins Of Humanity: featuring Dr Cheikh Anta Diop (Senegalese historian, anthropologist, physicist who studied the human race’s origin and pre- colonial African culture)

Its important to note that although Diop speaks fluent French, is immediately translated from French into English by the translator in the video.

Cheik deals with Egyptology at best and his arguments centered on the existence of Black civilizations in the Nile valley with particular emphasis on the origins of Egyptians emanationg from the Natufian cultures in Africa. He argued that most of the Egyptian Pharoahs were black African and Melanin tests on some of the mummified Pharoahs proved this

After Diops time, further genetic testing was done on many pharaonic mummies and they cluster with Africans on a PN2 clad, meaning they did have African ancestry with E3b1b being the most consistent Ydna haplogroup consistent North Africans, Ethiopians, Somali and Nile valley peoples but also had many West Asian DAN ancestry as well.


Next argument please. You have no idea what you are listening to for real.


Olodo!

Amujale:
Both Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka are indeed correct in their determinations regarding African history, Eurocentric’s are wrong.

Nothing concerns these two fictional writers in this matter so dropping names here and there as an attempt to look smart will not work. They are authors of Igbo and Yoruba history respectively.

Shikena!

Amujale:
Reading into and or studying the publications of African historians ought to leave the normal African with no doubt on our rich and exceptional history.

Although, a few dunces and Eurocentric sympathisers will always be left scratching their heads.

They taught in school that Africa doesn’t have any history, they were wrong.

In 2019 anyone caught teaching Eurocentrism in African institutes of learning deserve to be shot, dispelled and have their license revoked.

Story story!

Again you have said nothing of relevance here just totoring

Amujale:
The version you peddle is wrong. Your genetic argument is flawed due to the fact that the Eurocentric historians that came up with these “Theories” are wrong and irrelevant.

You say they are wrong yet you do not explain why they are wrong.

That's like saying eating Eba with ewedu soup everyday is wrong. Explain what and why it is wrong. You can't simply say because it came from European scientist, that is s.T.upid reasoning.

There are scientists from Asia, Africa, Black, Brown, yellow who do peer reviews on these journals and we are to believe Amujale because he simply states it is wrong.

Gerrara here!

Amujale:
African historians, scholars and academics have already determined the correct and accurate version of history.

Sertima and Diop are outdated scholars with no new published material.

its like telling me to go read Darwins " the origins of man" when we are light years ahead of that informatin.

Olodo!

Amujale:
There is no doubt in my mind that African historians, academics and scholars are correct regarding African history and Eurocentric's and yourself are completely and uttering wrong.

Yes, they are just correct because Amujale says they are. He cannot tell you why compared to other updated information. He just knows in his African brain that because the scholars are African then they must be right

Olodo!

Amujale:
You have a pea brain that cannot understand simple logic.

Where’d you think the ancient Caribbeans came from?

Listen you dummy, the "ancestors" of all people presently populating the entire world today "originate" in Africa.

This is different from saying Caribs came from Africa if you want to use simple deductive reasoning.

If you use that logic then it is fine to say the Europeans are Africans because their "ancestors" also originated from Africa.

The original peoples that populated the Americas came from Asia, not their "ancestors". "THEY" came from Asia, not their great great great great great great over 100,000 year old ancestors who originated from Africa.

You are a slowpoke for real!

Amujale:
Where did Lucia come from?

Luzia's fossil is 11,500 years old. Luzia's DNA clusters with that of Mongoloig Asians who originate in Asia. Luzia did not come from Africa. The ancestors of Luzia who left Africa 50,000 to 100,000 years ago are the ones who originate from Africa.

You are a slowpoke for real!

Amujale:
Africans are the first people to arrive on planet Earth and it’s from their continent that they proceed to populate all the other continents of the world.

It isn’t that complicated.

1.Did they arrive from another planet?

2. When they left Africa did they just vanish, what happened to these original ancestors who left 50,000 to 100,000 years ago.

3. Question 2 is a lead in to the reason you cannot answer the question I have been posing for the last several pages which you are afraid to do so because your logic will fall flat because you do not understand the implications of genetics.

Of the pictures below please point to the African. If you pick, please tell us why you picked that person as an African and not the rest. If you pick all tell us why you picked all.

Olodo!.

Amujale:
Below is a graphical depiction of Lucia the ancestor of the Americas

Honestly Amujale, you accuse me of not paying attention but you are real Olodo. I added an attachment of the recent research done on the bones of Luzia at the Univerisy of Sao paulo and mentioned that the reconstruction done in 1990 was based on suggestions that the fossil found had cranio metric measurement similar to that of African/Melanesians but the DNA evidence from the research in 2018 shows that the genetics of Luzia correlate with Mongoloid Asians consistent with Ameriindian migrants into South America

Please read it

OLODO!

http://agencia.fapesp.br/the-new-face-of-luzia-and-the-lagoa-santa-people/29168/


"How many human migrations from Asia came to the Americas at the end of the Ice Age more than 16,000 years ago was hitherto unknown. The traditional theory, formulated in the 1980s by Neves and other researchers, was that the first wave had African traits or traits similar to those of the Australian Aboriginals.

The well-known forensic facial reconstruction of Luzia was performed in accordance with this theory. Luzia is the name given to the fossil skull of a woman who lived in the Lagoa Santa region 12,500 years ago and is sometimes referred to as the “first Brazilian”.

The bust of Luzia with African features was built on the basis of the skull’s morphology by British anatomical artist Richard Neave in the 1990s.

“However, skull shape isn’t a reliable marker of ancestrality or geographic origin. Genetics is the best basis for this type of inference,” Strauss explained.

“The genetic results of the new study show categorically that there was no significant connection between the Lagoa Santa people and groups from Africa or Australia. So the hypothesis that Luzia’s people derived from a migratory wave prior to the ancestors of today’s Amerindians has been disproved. On the contrary, the DNA shows that Luzia’s people were entirely Amerindian.”

Amujale:
All of the senses especially sound and sight.
You have been found to be incapable of reading, hearing and seeing things properly.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFuhjBGNHPc[/flash]

According to your bad sight and hearing, the above video is about Dr Ivan Sertima, yet he doesn’t even feature as any of the academics.

Instead those Caribbean academics in the above publication verify much of Sertima’s conclusions.

As in they truly did arrive before Columbus.

Your unintelligible urge to attack the truth about African history is mind boggling.

Try Again.

Watch and listen properly, something everyone already knows you are indeed incapable of

I listened to the video properly and this guys video is really talking about issues with Jamaican sovreingty and the issues his country is experiencing as regards colonialism.

The only parts that are connected to the subject matter we talking about is his contentions on the origins of the Jamaican people and we shall discuss that below:

Contention 1: There were black people /Caribs called the Amaru or Olmec peoples who were the original inhabitants of Jamaica.

My response to that: I don't have a problem with that, there are blacked skinned people who populated the world in general, however these people are not African people and if there were such people in Jamaica before the arrival of Africans, they would be Ameriindian people of Ameriindian genetic ancestry inregardless of their similar appearances to Africans, if that were the case. The guy in the video cannot prove his assertion again because genetic evidence in the Americas does not have any African DNA from the continent pre-columbus. It does have African DNA after the Atlantic Slave trade from Africans that were brought there 400+ years ago.

Contention 2: The Caribs looked like the Olmec colossal statues. An African looking people.

Response; There is no evidence to corroborate this hypothesis. The conclusions are based on circumstantial evidence. Idia Amin's face is put next to the Olmec statue as a montage to suggest that the Olmecs were Africans. This is deceptive picto-graphic manipulation.There is no fossil of any human found in the Americas that is older than Luzia 11,500 years who has been genetically tested and clustered with mongoloid Asians that crossed the bering straits, until this is discovered the factual information on hand is that there were no African populations in the Americas.

Contention 3: The Caribs were connected to Kemetic egyptians as they built Pyramids similar to those in Egypt and these pyramids were dated 20,000 years ago.

Response: What this would imply is that the Egyptian civilization dated at about 3,000 years ago is 1,000 of years younger that of the Olmec and so these Africans arrived the Americas with this pyramid building technology 1,000 of years before the Egyptians. The difference in numbers being 20,000- 3,000= 17,000 years. So these Africans had this technology 17,000 years before the Egyptians did ,yet on all their journeys round the world, they did not establish similar pyramid structures, Hmmmm

Contention 4. The trans Atlantic slave trade did not happen. There was a trans Atlantic war to wipe out all black civilizations and put them under subjugation.

Response. NO evidence to support his theory. DNA evidence taken on present day Jamaicans show their African DNA clustering with mostly West African and Central African groups DEFINITIVELY proven through DNA analysis that their ancestors emanate from these regions with the rest of their DNA coming from infusions from Europeans, a small percentage of South Asians and the rest Native Americans.

The other stuff he rants about have to do with Soverignty laws, World bank, Debt Slavery e.t.c., nothing to do with this subject matter.



Its a shame Amujale you just post stuff here that you cannot defend, it simply shows you not versed in much research or knowledge and are simply a young man engulfed in watchin AFrocentric videos.

Hit the books!

Amujale:
[s]Again you cannot read properly nor understand what you see in writing.

You should stick to audiobooks or audiotapes, but again you are deaf too.

It isn’t my problem if you cannot read properly and make unintelligible responses.

Further defeats your argument.

If you cannot read properly nor understand what is written, then all your arguments are simply null and void.[/s]

Empty comments. nothing to refute here.

Amujale:
Here we can see the reasons your argument is completely flawed.

To put it into its proper perspective the Nile civilisation represents about 5% of African history.

Your knowledge of history is very poor indeed. No amount of Eurocentric gibberish will improve that.

Most of your links are loosely based on the Nile civilisation.

Only one of the links attached is related to Egyptology the rest are science journals relating to genetic studies on Native Americans.

Keep trying.

Amujale:
The only idiot on the forum that everyone can see is you morpheus24.

You are a disgrace to all the senses.

What senses are you speaking of here; taste, sight, sound, lol

Amujale:
Prove to everyone that you aren’t a lost cause.

I’m absolutely certain that you cannot be saved.

You are a lost cause, a liar and faker.

Nothing you write makes any sense to the normal general public.

You claim you are Nigerian and yet you have no sense. That to me is unfortunate because Nigerians are normally smart and well learned about most things.


You are the exception.

In fact, I haven’t met any people outside of Africa that are smarter than the average Nigerian.

The bolded part above is the reason you are being embarrased here. Its because I am Nigerian

but again you are dancing around the subject matter you are supposed to be discussing because you have nothing left to say but empty rhetoric.

It doesn't matter if i am Nigerian. Attack the subject matter, stop attacking the person. At this point you are simply pained and your ego is hurting which is why you keep responding even though you are not really presenting any new information for us to contest.

You are done. When you present some more information let me know.

Amujale:
You’re nonsensical rhetoric is completely Eurocentric gibberish.

African historians use scientific analysis, including genetics sciences to determine the fact that almost all the people of the world can trace their genetic makeup to African ethnicity.

1. watch how you dodged the question again.

2.Post one these genetic studies and let us peruse through it or do you want me to do it for you.

Amujale:
There’s isn’t one reputable African historian that doesn’t use all the branches of knowledge so as to arrive at their conclusions.

You’re Eurocentric assertions are based on flawed analysis, hypothesis that are privy to the North of Africa.

And as I made clear in my earlier post, the. Nile civilisation represents about 5% of African history.

1.what is "privy to the North of Africa". What are you talking about here you I.diot.?

2. What has nile valley civilisations have to do with posting genetic evidence that shows how homo sapiens populated the rest of the world.

Stick a fork in you my friend, you are done. You have nothing else to say.

Amujale:
You are even more thick that was first thought.

Again get it into your thick head, you will never have success using Eurocentric rhetoric and false assertions to argue against Africa’s exceptional and rich history.

You will fail every time.

Yes, because genetics is a eurocentric fabrication yet they can use DNA to determine if Amujale is an African


I am laughing in Igbo.

You are done, you have nothing left. All you are left now with is accusations because you have no where else to go.

Please answer the below question. Are the below girls Africans, if yes why, if not why.

Amujale:
Without a shadow of doubt Africans are indigenous to mainland Africa, however, all and every other African community that exists outside of Africa prior to 1400 B.C.E. are said to have circumnavigate the oceans and seas in order to transport themselves.

The earliest examples are given in line with the early Eskimo, Indigenous Americans, Indigenous Asians, Indigenous Australasian and the Indigenous European. (not meant as a chronology rather alphabetic in order)

They circumnavigated the oceans and seas, depicted themselves similar to present mainland Africans, they described themselves the same way
as well.

All people of the world can trace their roots to African history.

Simply put, all the communities in the world are born from Africa.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/astonishing-3d-face-10000-year-10561797?fbclid=IwAR1U_5z0ABKkXQThJVjpf0_mRycSbUwqllWL1ZtOhLjr7YDLrEsMnGqCWa0

We already addressed this post a couple of pages back. Do you have anything new to offer. If not please answer the below question.

Is the picture of the below persons African, if so why, if not why. I am trying to help you hear Amujale.

Amujale:
[s]Obviously you cannot read nor understand written text properly.

These are based on scientific and analytical studies made by myself and various other African academics.[/s]

Now we exposing the liar.

Amujale:
Well if you aren’t an African then what business have you here trying to pass as one?

I am an African born in Nigeria, next question?

Amujale:
My advice is for you to go and bury you head under a rock. Your kind have done enough damage as it is already.

It’s your kind that is the reason for African’s determination on World History.

So you can bugger off and go and Troll elsewhere.

This is not trolling, this is simply stating refutations to an assertion made by a child who doesn't really understand fully the information he is spreading out to people and is not able to support his contention by refuting the information that is presented to him .

Amujale:
These findings are partly my own and are substantiated by many other African historians and are verifiable by anyone who is bothered to check the material.

Your findings are wrong, incomplete analysis. Go back and re-examine new information that is what a grown researcher who really cares about the truth about African matters

Amujale:
There is No debate between you a and I, that ended the moment you were found to be a liar and faker. As is clearly visible above.

You are absolutely correct here. Debating with a child not a debate at all.

Amujale:
The are numerous instances that you have been found copying or using my context as the basis for you delusional argument i.e the above post is a carbon copy of my previous
below:

I am using "your context". This guy I am beginning to believe you did not go to school. What does that mean. I am using your context.

Amujale:
Inconsequential response as usual.

Who is your opponent?

You’re a dreamer, jog on.

I don’t have time for liars and fakers

We will expose who is the liar soon enough don't run away.

let's do the this one by one so you don't get confused.

Is the picture of the person below that of an African, if so why, if not then why?

Amujale:
Your test ended in a complete failure.

Your score is 0%.

No argument, no sense, cannot read, are deaf and is completely and utterly blind.

What more test does your kind want.

You have failed all logic and common sense.

Now go and bury your head under a rock and stay there until you can find your senses.

Again my opponent cannot address or refute Ydna genetic studies or how genetics has determined that Africans could have not existed in the new World pre-columbus

Let me make the questioning easier for you since the other multiple pictures seem to be confusing you. Are the girls in the picture below Africans or not, if they are why do you say so, If they are not, what makes you believe they are not?

Please answer the question and we can continue educating you on genetic studies.

Amujale:
Who are you referring to as “we”, you are alone with your warped understanding of history.

You can’t learn anything because you are a complete dunce, incapable of reading, listening and seeing things correctly.

Your Eurocentric gibberish has no relevance outside of your twisted mindset.

My opponent has said absolutely nothing in the above statements about anything.

Amujale:
That is a nonsensical statement to make.
The person that teaches that deserves to be shot.

The above is Amujale response to this statement I made "This test is useful to African Americans in general because if you were to test only the Ydna for AA males you would find Non European origins, meaning their original daddy was a white man who slept with a black woman who had a son who had a son, who had a son and so on."

To show you how st.u.pid he is , he really did not understand what I meant and so responded as such instead of to break the response down, one by one. which is What is Ydna in the first place. Let me help you out. pay attention to the bolded below.

Olodo!


Y-DNA tests can help you trace ancestry along your direct paternal line -- son to father to paternal grandfather...
Hero Images/Getty Images

''Y-DNA testing looks at the DNA in the Y-chromosome, a sex chromosome that is[b] responsible for maleness[b]. All biological males have one Y-chromosome in each cell and copies are passed down[b] (virtually) unchanged from father to son each generation.[/b]


How It's Used
Y-DNA tests can be used to test your direct paternal lineage—your father, your father's father, your father's father's father, etc. Along this direct paternal line, Y-DNA can be used to verify whether two individuals are descendants from the same distant paternal ancestor, as well as potentially find connections to others who are linked to your paternal lineage.


Y-DNA tests specific markers on the Y-chromosome of your DNA known as Short Tandem Repeat or STR markers. Because females do not carry the Y-chromosome, the Y-DNA test can only be used by males.

A female can have their father or paternal grandfather tested. If that is not an option, look for a brother, uncle, cousin, or other direct male descendants of the male line you're interested in testing.

How Y-DNA Testing Works
When you take a Y-line DNA test, your results will return both a general haplogroup and a string of numbers. These numbers represent the repeats (stutters) found for each of the tested markers on the Y chromosome. The specific set of results from the tested STR markers determines your Y-DNA haplotype, a unique genetic code for your paternal ancestral line. Your haplotype will be the same as, or extremely similar to, all of the males who have come before you on your paternal line—your father, grandfather, great-grandfather, etc.

Y-DNA results have no real meaning when taken on their own. The value comes in comparing your specific results, or haplotype, with other individuals to whom you think you are related to see how many of your markers match. Matching numbers at most or all of the tested markers can indicate a shared ancestor. Depending upon the number of exact matches, and the number of markers tested, you can also determine approximately how recently this common ancestor was likely to have lived (within 5 generations, 16 generations, etc.).

Short Tandem Repeat (STR) Markets
Y-DNA tests a specific set of Y-chromosome Short Tandem Repeat (STR) markers. The number of markers tested by most DNA testing companies can range from a minimum of 12 to as many as 111, with 67 being commonly considered a useful amount. Having additional markers tested will generally refine the predicted time period in which two individuals are related, helpful for affirming or disproving a genealogical connection on the direct paternal line.

Example: You have 12 markers tested, and you find that you are an exact (12 for 12) match to another individual. This tells you that there is about a 50% chance that the two of you share a common ancestor within 7 generations and a 95% chance that the common ancestor is within 23 generations. If you tested 67 markers, however, and found an exact (67 for 67) match with another individual, then there is a 50% chance that the two of you share a common ancestor within two generations and a 95% chance that the common ancestor is within 6 generations.

The more STR markers, the higher the cost of the test. If cost is a serious factor for you, then you may want to consider starting with a smaller number of markers, and then upgrade at a later date if warranted. Generally, a test of at least 37-markers is preferred if your goal is to determine whether you descend from a specific ancestor or ancestral line. Very rare surnames may be able to obtain a useful result with as few as 12-markers.''

Source:
https://www.thoughtco.com/y-dna-testing-for-genealogy-1421847

Amujale:
When you won’t take the effort to study properly, instead of copying and pasting the writings of a chewing gum wrapper, it’s been shown to us that you are incapable of study.

You claim genetics is the only branch of science that determines history, I say you are wrong.

Olodo, I said genetics is the strongest factual evidence we have to corroborate theoretical hypothesis about archaelogy and anthropological findings especially having to do with determining origins of peoples from different geographical locations.

Amujale:
African historians, scholars and academics have proven beyond doubt that history is determined by a combination of the Arts, Commerce and the Sciences.

History is determined by a thorough scientific and analytical process, that is exclusively the “Modus Operandi” of our modern African historians, scholars and academics.

Go and study any of the genetical sciences at place of higher learning or as an apprentice, study properly and come back to the forum to share with us your findings.

I have already determined that you have a very low IQ and most of the time are not coherent and really are not sure what you are talking about This is the reason you cannot answer a simple question I have been posing for the last several pages.

Please can you pick the African from the pictures below, just pick and we can continue from there

Amujale:
History is a true account of events. Has nothing to does with genetics parse.

How do you authentic historical accounts or events to differentiate them from circumstance and hard evidence.

If they told you stories that your great great great great great grand father was a white man, how do you authenticate that historical account you slowpoke.
If you were to take a genetic test and they found european haplogroups in your Autosomal dna makeup then that would corroborate the historical account told to you by your parents.

You are an Olodo

Amujale:
However, historians are known to make good use of all the branches of knowledge so as to make the most accurate determination of such events.

They make use of all these discplines anthropology, archealogy and genetics to corroborate historical accounts with genetics being the strongest tool of evidence we have today to authenticate circumstantial evidence. That is why you can claim a child is yours because he looks like and walks like you and has a big fore head like you which is circumstantial and only when they test your genetic material with this child can they at a 99.999% confidence interval that the child is yours.

You are just slow that's why you don't understand the implications of the above.

Keep exposing yourself here as a duance who will not go back and re- examine information he has because his pride is hurting him so much he can't admit that he doesn't know something.

OLODO!

Amujale:
Here we can see the reasons your argument is completely flawed.

To put it into its proper perspective the Nile civilisation represents about 5% of African history.

Your knowledge of history is very poor indeed. No amount of Eurocentric gibberish will improve that.

Assuming you want learn the truth behind Africa ‘s history then you will have to study. That’s the reason my research makes reference to various relevant authors.

Eh shut up there my friend. I didn't only post the website that discusses Egyptology. I added journal sites that elaborate and give others extensive access to genetic information about Africans and Native Americans in support of my contentions.

You are dancing around my information now because you really don't know what it is about.

You continue to expose yourself. Continue to test me.

Amujale:
I

Again a clear example that you cannot read are deaf and completely blind.

The video doesn’t have anything to with Dr Ivan Sertima. Although it does verify Ivan Sertima academical efforts.

It’s clear that as usual, you didn’t bother to listen nor view the video properly as it is exclusively about Jamaican historians, scholars and academics substantiating mine and Barton’s research on African history.

You are a joker.

Stop dancing around Amujale. The information you post are based on the assertion that "Africans founded African civilizations in the Americas and your videos including the one about Jamaicans and the book by Sertima all allude to the same conclusion. Refuting the evidence on Sertima's videos and the jamiacan videos are doing one and the same thing.

You are a very slick , what you do is divert attention away by saying a whole lot but really saying nothing at all, meanwhile you dodge everything that I have put forward by not addressing any of the information at all because you really cannot.

You tried earlier by posting some gibberish you pulled from the internet about genetics and when you found out that you couldn't support any of it you divert and begin to digress.

I see you boy!

Amujale:
History never can run out of date, the reason its called History in the first place.

I really don't know what the above means. You honestly have a very low IQ. What does "History can never run out of date" mean". History is based on a measurement of an era based on recordable evidence in the form of artifacts, fossils, e.t.c that are measurable. That is why it is called "history" as opposed to "pre-history" which is an era that cannot be accounted for or not recorded.

You really are stupid for real.

Amujale:
According to history, Africans are the first people to arrive and build communities in the Americas and the Carribean.


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Again, the bulk of information in support of "African Presence" not "African civilizations" in the new world stated in these videos by Sertima places their evidence on the presence of colossal stone head sculptures(Olmec), commentary by certain sailors to the continent about seeing Africans, artifacts that resemble those found in Africa and Linguistic similarities with words from the new world to that of some African groups. All circumstantial anthropological and archaelogical commentary.

The key information that was not readily available during the times of these assertions was the "genetic evidence" to link these so called African populations to Contemporary Africans in the time frame that has been postulated for the dispersal of Africans to the new world. Factual DNA seqeuncing.

The oldest human fossil found in the America has been dated at 11,500 years old "luzia'. This individual was initially used to bolster the above arguments about Africans in the Americas pre-columbus because the cranio metric measurements were similar to that of AFrican/Melanesian skulls.

DNA tests was conducted on the bones of Luzia and it was discovered that her DNA correlated with that of Mongoloid Asians consistent with AmeriIndians.

NO AFRICAN GENOTYPES WERE DETECTED!

What this implies is that there could not have been any African populations contemporary to those from the continent that arrived in the new world at least by 12,000 years ago otherwise their DNA would live in the the bodies of the fossils and the peoples of the Americas.


This brings us to the next question which you refuse to answer and are dodging from post to post.

OF the pictures below who do you believe is an African. When you choose that person above the rest of the pictures please state why you chose that particular picture as an African and not the rest. If you choose more than one or all please tell us why you chose them.

You are an Olodo masquerading yourself as a Pan Afrianist. Please test my knowledge of Africa and its people I beg you. In fact I dare you and see who has more profound knowledge of the continent and its peoples.

OLODO!

Below point to journals and a forum Egyptsearch( which I have been on for over a decade) available to the public for study on issues concerning African DNA and Olmec controversies.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=8

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/genetic-studies-link-indigenous-peoples-amazon-and-australasia-003475

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707617698

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707600494

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929708001390

mysticwarrior:
chai this one strong o, Morpheus 24 we would appreciate it if you could kindly come out and convincely deny these allegations

I am not sure what I am really denying here.


These are allegations without any factual information to support the allegation.

If you allege i stole something, you would have to categorically state what it is i stole, When I stole it, How I stole it and who I stole it from for it to make any sense wouldn't it.

If you enjoy empty allegations then that my friend is you issue not mine. I deal with concrete facts and not innuendos for entertainment sake.

I am waiting for Amujale to bring this information forward and I shall take it on but I suspect it will be more empty allegations and more accusations of my not being a Pan African because I don choose to associate with outdated and sometimes fabricated information.

Shikena!

Amujale:
Everyone knows that morpheus24 is a spanner and isn’t a real African.

He’s probably a Berber, Moor or some other Asiatic trying to pass as an African.

1.I don't know what relevance this has. Are you trying to insinuate that I have to be of another racial classification in other to oppose your nonsensical arguments.

2. Berbers or Amazigh people in fact actually have a better claim to Africa than your Olmec civilization. Their paternal Ydna ties them genetically to African haplogroups while the rest of their DNA emanates from the Levant and West Asian.

3. Moor is pretty much a synonym for a berber person from North Africa as they come from ancient Numidian populations that have lived in Africa and have genetic ties to the continent. These Moors also incorporated Sub saharan African peoples in their gene pool which would make many moors technically African people as well.

You are a duance!


Keep exposing yourself.

Amujale:
No, argument, except for stating the obvious that everyone knows already that I am a pan Africanist.

You are just projecting now, stick to the actually arguments at hand. You being a pan African has nothing to do with
1. supporting your assertion that Africans or Humans are 50 millions year old.
2. Stating that Africans populated the entire world for millions of years
3. There existed an African civilization in the americas who found their way there via ships and boats

Amujale:
No original content except for copying and stealing other peoples on the forum.

You'd have to point to what I stole on the forum and we can argue this point. Please point to it, show where, what and when I stole these view.

Amujale:
No sense, just read his posts and come up with your own conclusion.He has no knowledge of history except those that he steals from other Nlanders on the forum.

Again you will have to point to where, what and when i stole these ideas from nairalanders. Stop babbling rhetoric and state fact.

Amujale:
morpheus24 is an abomination that will always come up short coming up against the greatest continent on Earth.

morpheus24 is never going to recover his senses, even washing his brain with omo cannot cure him.

morpheus24 is a liar and faker and i have been able to determine that he obviously hates himself and hates the truth about African history.

None of his responses addresses the facts above.

Watch, as usual his response will be inconsequential.

What facts are you talking about, you are trying to hide your own lack of knowledge by projecting your stupidity on me.

The only two things you have posted to bolster you points are videos and a book you keep pasting here without pulling content out if it to really debate about.

Then you pull excerpts from several scientific journals from the internet and completely mis-state what they mean. You in addition pull a list of names of these researches who are pretty much European and non African people to bolster your point with no contextualization. I correct you and you have no rebuttal.

All you are left with now is naming calling so you can divert away from the fact that you have nothing left to offer.

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Amujale:
I’m guessing morpheus24 is deaf, a dunce, cannot read nor understand written text properly.

African historians spend the better part of their time studying and researching African history, whilst those with Eurocentric views waste their time chasing rainbows with outdated Eurocentric concepts and ideologies.

There is no comparison here.

I am a professional African historian with a background of multi-discipline in the Arts and sciences as well as a pan Africanist with bags of experience in related real-time academia, and you are a faker.

When you get your sanity back from Eurocentric fantasy, if ever you get your senses back, take the time to study what has been written on the thread.

You are a blockhead as you think that you can use Eurocentric views to argue against Africa’s exceptional and rich history.

Before you continue to spout your fantasyland rhetoric, there’s need to go and earn your stripes at a higher place of learning.

It’s clear to me and everyone else that you hate yourself and all Africanist out there such that you hold a warped view of World History.

Red herring and fillibustering. You are attacking the character and not the actually subject matters presented. Only very gullible people fall for such arguementative strategies.

Attack the information not the personality. It doesn't matter if I am a 3 foot 3 midget with red hair and a pink nose. Admit you don't understand the information instead of telling us how many African scholarships you have here.

You cut and pasted information from the internet on genetic information about Africans you don't understand and now since you can't answer you resort to attacking my character, throwing around words like Eurocentric to throw readers off.

Sertima's anthropological explanations for the presence of Africans in the new world and other parts are outdated. They cannot stand the test of genetics. Don't be mad at that, embrace the truth regardless of who is giving it to you.

Genotype is not Phenotype.

Now answer this question. Of the pictures below who is an African. Please point to the African. If you choose one , why did you choose that one, If you chose all, why did you choose all



Olodo!!

Amujale:
African historians and academics are the authorities that possess the correct qualifications regards African history, all other versions are null and void.

I am guessing Rosenburg, jakobsson and Wang are all African scholars from the list of names you posted eh!

Amujale:
Below are a list of worldwide academics that suppprt the previous posts



1.Campbell MC, Tishkoff SA. Annu. Rev. Genomics Hum. Genet. [free article]

2. Reed FA, Tishkoff SA. Curr. Opin. Genet.

3. Ethnologue ( www.ethnologue.com)

4. Tishkoff SA, Williams SM. Nat. Rev. Genet.

5. Sirugo G, et al. Hum. Genet.

6. Pritchard JK, Stephens M, Rosenberg NA, Donnelly P. Am. J. Hum. Genet. Reynolds JB, et al. Genetics.

8. Cann HM, et al. Science.

9. Rosenberg NA, et al. Science.

10. Dr Cheikh Anta Diop

11. Rosenberg NA, et al. PLoS Genet

12. Jakobsson M, et al. Nature.

13. Ramachandran S, et al. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. [freebarticle] [PubMed]

14. Forster P, Romano V. Science.

15. Wang S, et al. PLoS Genet.

16. Friedlaender JS, et al. PLoS Genet. [free article]

17. Behar DM, et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. [free article]

18. Gonder MK, Mortensen HM, Reed FA, de Sousa A, Tishkoff SA. Mol. Bio.

19. Tishkoff SA, et al. Mol. Biol.

20. Li JZ, et al. Science.

21. Chen YS, et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. [free article]

And fifty other reputable academics from around the world.

You just pulled a whole bunch of stuff on the internet and pasted it here with reference to each of the specific studies by each of those individuals.

If you notice some of the names are repeated on each of the lines you enumerate simply meaning that each of them collaborated on the articles they were researching.

Oh and by the way many of them are Europeans as well so you post Eurocentric people then in the same breath say you support African scientist, anthropologist etc.

is it so hard to concede that what you may know as your paradigm and is lacking is evident and you incorporate new findings into your reasoning but no like religious people you will clling to your beliefs because it informs your world view and anything outside of it you are terrified of the thought and so cling on to what you understand instead of stepping into new information available out day in the name of staying PAN AFRICAN.

For real

Amujale:
African historians and academics combined to identity continental ancestral population clusters that correlate with self-described ethnicity and shared cultural and/or linguistic properties.

We observed high levels of mixed ancestry in most populations, reflecting historical migration events across the continent. Our data also provide evidence for shared ancestry among geographically diverse hunter-gatherer populations (Khoesan speakers and Pygmies).

The ancestry of African Americans is predominantly from Niger-Kordofanian (~71%), European (~13%), and other African (~8%) populations, although admixture levels varied considerably among individuals.

This study helps tease apart the complex evolutionary history of Africans and African Americans, aiding both anthropological and genetic epidemiologic studies.

You don't really know what you extracted and posted above. All of this above information is in support of all the information I have been posting so far

Africans have a mixed ancestry which is a combination of several groups of Africans on the continent with distinct genetic material, with the khoi and the pygmies having the closest genetic relationship because they are the two most oldest African populations in terms of genetics.

The African American sample simple shows that they come from majority West and Central African regions which correlates with regions that the Atlantic slave trade took place in addition to European DNA which would come from rape, inter mingling and miscegany.

Stop picking quotes that you don't understand it just makes you look more silly.