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jln115:
And you are making those same assumption!!!...........It makes absolutely no sense that a White SAn would 1. Even know about Nairaland and 2. now about Nairaland and then Register an Account just to spew racial hatred.

Yes because all Afrikaner people live in South Africa and all of them must conform to the grammatical writing styles that are peculiar to Afrikaners.

jln115:
Literally the only reason I became aware of Nairaland was because I was interested in African Militaries and the "Strongest Military in Africa " Thread popped up in my search.

You are young on this site aren't you. There have been several threads that have drawn White South Africans in general to this site, whether they are Afrikaner well is a little irrelevant. The Afrikaner community is not one monolith.

jln115:
Besides the fact that he uses words like mkhukhu, kaak, children of "mama "...........He has also not responded to my Afrikaans responds to him, which was pretty insulting BTW, which If he was a stubborn Afrikaner he definitely would have responded....... This is how I know his definitely not Afrikaner and as we can both agree his grammar does not mimic that of a typical British/English person.

Which is why I said he could be a White S. African of any European persuasion. There is such a thing, you know!

jln115:
If it's an unwritten rule, why is it that so many don't follow it?? Why are Nigerians all over this thread speaking in all sorts of languages....Hell some have even spoken Chinese on some of the threads i've been on!

It's not Lingua Franca to me or allot of other foreigners on this thread...

Right Right! !!

jln115:
I can bet my bottom Dollar that his not South African......unlike you I look at the grammatical style of his responses why'll you: " He angry, He emotion!! He be South African!!! "

Lastly none of the Nigerians Who've called me the K word have ever been to SA.

You like making a lot of assumptions with minimal information don't you. My advice don't ever gamble. You are likely to loose.

jln115:
However compared to the ANC the DA have actually been more successful at redressing the past than the ANC they have turned Cape Town from the most unequal to the least unequal city in SA, the unemployment rate is by far the lowest in the Western Cape than the rest of SA, believe it or not they have also been much much more successful at effective land redistribution than the ANC and unlike the redistribution model the ANC uses in which the Government owns the land which have been redistributed the DA actually gives the title deed to the land recipient.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/316018/south-african-2019-election-the-predictions-vs-the-results/

yet the DA's numbers dwindled from 2014 to 2019 even with all the ANC corruption.

jln115:
IMHO the middle ground with regards to the economy has already been reached..... And there should be a focus on attracting foreign investment to help reignite growth of our economy..... More populist policies will only aggravate our current economic struggle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ru705jn_I

An excellent interview with DA leader that challenges the DA's progress in the Western cape and economic agenda for the whole country from the mouth of South Africans themselves.

I guess a good majority of SA's including Eusebius did not buy his arguments. Radical economic transformation it is!

jln115:
Except using Pidgin would in fact be against rule 21 of Nairaland where as there is no rule that says I'm not allowd to talk in another language other than English.... Also you have failed to respond as to why your countrymen are allowed to discuss in their mother tongue, and I'm not?

Always looking for the logical fallacy eh.

1.They are unwritten rules. They pertain more so to etiquette. Something a Nigerian person would understand in casual conversation with groups of people that speak multiple languages.

2. Pidgin is a Lingua Franca. Kitchen Dutch is not.

jln115:
Judging by his grammar he's certainly not of British decent. And judging by that same grammar his also not an Afrikaner......as I said he is a Nigerian troll

Secondly a lot more Nigerians know what the K word is than what you might think.... Especially those involved in South African affairs on this thread.... I've been called one several times by your countrymen.

nah, he's definitely S. African, the angry emotion permeates through the comments.

I did not say all Nigerians do not use it. It would be obvious that the ones who live or have lived in SA would be more familiar with it.

letu:
Morpheus i'm not really into this DNA stuff and I like you to help me out on African DNA, I'm from eastern Nigeria my question has to do with the way you're making use of the name Africa as if it's a name of an ethnic tribe, what exactly is the DNA of the different people of African looks like. I know we (Africans) are all different and similar as in the so called Adamic DNA or Ancient DNA found in different ethnic groups in Africa eg L0 ---- L1 ---- L2 ----- L3 which mutates or give birth to other DNA.

Genetics studies is quite indepth and I don not aspouse to be an expert, however I do understand the fundamentals and will try to be as concise with my response so as not to confuse or be overly wordy.

Ydna is imbedded in the y Chromosome and inherited only from Male to male to male and so on.

Mdtna is inherited from female to female to female across generations as well.

Autsomal DNA is a some total or combination of all the DNA or chromosomes that makes up who you are.

L0-L1_L2_L3 are maternal or mtdna that originate and are inherited from woman to woman only on the African continent. The lower the suffix number the older the DNA. The numbers designate a mutation from the original gene. These mutations mark the beginning of your most distant ancestor. L0 would be most common in Khoisan peoples who are said to be one the oldest African populations still around. L3 would be mostly West Africa. This implies that Khoisan women are connected to the most distant African female ancestor than a West African women

These mutations did not originate in people outside of the continent, therefore they are African derived or African centered. If they are represented outside of the continent it means that person's great great great great grand mother or recent ancestor was an African woman without a doubt. This is how African Americans when tested are able to ascertain where their female Lineage begins.

This is the same case with Paternal lineage E3b1ba, E3b1b, A and B are also markers that originate and exist only on the continent. Any location outside of Africa would indicate that the person has an original male ancestor who is of African origin.

When you focus on Nigeria in particular there are several more mutations that occur within the established haplogroup E3b1a and L3 in specific ethnic groups that differentiate their YTdna and Mdtna. In other words an Igbo person may share similar mutations more closely with an Ibibio man than he would with a Hausa-Fulani person or a Kanuri man. This is how African ancestry.com is able to determine the specific loci African Americans are from.

Lastly austomal DNA is a better gauge of the percentage of what you are in TOTAL. This test is useful to African Americans in general because if you were to test only the Ydna for AA males you would find Non European origins, meaning their original daddy was a white man who slept with a black woman who had a son who had a son, who had a son and so on. Austomal would test for the entirety of DNA combinations in that individual and would be able to tell how much African DNA in total contributes to that individual TOTAL DNA. In the case of a mixed race child his African Autsomal DNA would come out to roughty 50% assuming one of his parents is directly from the African continent.

Hope this helped.

jln115:
An unwritten rule you say?? Seem like it's more of a made up rule to me!! Besides I see Nigerians talking thier own language as well as pidgin on this thread every day....and you never see me moaning!!

Pidgin is a lingua franca in Nigeria and many English speaking African countries. Kitchen Dutch is not.

jln115:
If you wanted to know what I said to Kemptonpost you could of just Google translated it.

And the only reason I wrote Afrikaans to him is to prove that he is in fact just a Nigerian troll and not SAn an certainly not a white SAn.

He could be of White British Descent too!

PS the manner in which he uses the K word alludes to his identity. That word doesn't even register on the average Nigerian's vocabulary, even when in heated discussions with S. Africans

Glamrock:
Hi nairalanders i have been apart of the site for a while now, my studies have been keeping me a bit distant but i always log in to see whats new from time to time.. anyway i just want to share something with you all that my soul has been telling me from the beginning. Thanks to ancestrydna for confirming that I am Nigerian! And yes it's a BIG deal. I'm putting missing pieces of my family history back together and it is empowering! It's amazing what your ancestors will do for you if you let them guide you.

Glad more people are taking these tests. You come about average of most African Americans at 13-30% European and the rest African.


Keep in mind though that the other parts of your West African DNA do matter in your overall identity and though we are proud that you are mostly Nigerian, you must also venerate your other ancestors from the other parts of the continent.

letu:
I'm not saying that native Americans are not mongoliod because that's what they are both the red & the dark brownish/black native, what I'm saying is that if those white ones in those pictures which I posted can claim native American i don't see why the present day African Americans shouldn't do so besides when slaves from Africa where brought to American those native where also slave in which there was an inter marriage between the native Americans and many of African slaves also many dark brownish/black native Americans slaves where mixed up with those from Africa and White's government that rule over them made sure that only one side of history is given to them which is that they all came from Africa.

African Americans in general have a 15-30 Autosomal DNA that is non African derived so they are always suspect when they take DNA tests, however the overwhelming Majority of AA's have European ancestry more so than native American as confirmed by many DNA companies Ancestry.com, African Ancestry.com, 23&me etc.

There are communities that have lived adjacent to or in close proximity to native American communities in America that will have native American ancestry ie. Oklahoma. This is fact and not contested.

The claim that there were Africans here 6000-11,000 years ago during the arrival of peoples to the Americas is false. There is no DNA evidence that corroborates this story.

jln115:
Speak English?? How dare you force me to speak in the tongue of the colonizer......Did not expect this from the Proud uncompromising African you claim to be.

The English are not your Colonizers. They are your cousins. Both your languages are derived from a Proto-Germanic language. Stop with the "African-ness' thingy.

jln115:
Anyway in all seriousness If i wish to speak in Afrikaans dan sal ek, If i wish to speak in IsiZulu Khona ke ngizo kwenza , If I wish to speak in Setswana emva koko ndiya kwenza............Good thing you don't make the rules on Nairaland.

There are rules to be followed on this forum. The unwritten rule here is since e have over 150 Languages where we come from( yes many of us are bi and tri-lingual" the courtesy would be to facilitate communication in a lingua Franca.

We do not have 11 official languages in Nigeria, Ita!

jln115:
Well South Africa has never been entirely capitalist...even under apartheid(As you in fact mentioned) it's always been a mixed Economy......So Malemas claim that "capitalism has never worked for his people" doesn't hold much water since a pure Capitalist economy has never been implemented in SA

Indeed has any Western society ever practiced true Capitalism it is purest form. I would say not.

jln115:
........What has in fact failed his people has been the ANC.......Not its policies but rather the pure ineptness of how they have Governed over the last 15 odd Years.

I am not a fan of the ANC, never have been so yes the government has failed in many aspects but has been successful in others as well. What some of your cohorts here seem to allude to here is the correlation between failure and a black run organization versus the alternative of a pretty much "white liberal" run organization with black faces at the helm of public relations and the question of who is more competent.


As long as that rhetoric and attitude remains i.e. internal power struggles; the Mazibuko issue, the administration of the Western Cape in relation to the Land restoration, land settlement, poverty reduction, gentrification, e.t.c that party will find it difficult to garner enough votes from the majority of the population. They had a chance once upon a time but they lost the momentum precisely on the point of a redress on past legacies, hell I even was rooting for them once but they lost me after some events that exposed the parties inner workings.

jln115:
Personally I believe a mixed Economy WITH limited Socialist policies is the way to go.......However for this to work you need a Component, non Corrupt Government which strives to uplift the People and not fill up their own Pockets.

Hence all political parties need to come to some middle ground. This will include the EFF. The grievances of their constituents are real. They cannot be pacified or ignored.

jln115:
Also the DA is far from a Capitalist party and its policies in fact mirror that of the ANC........What the DA is actually promoting is an ANC, without the corruption.

No,The DA is promoting an ANC with a possibility of "less corruption".

jln115:
Lastly "White Monopoly Capital" is a made up term...........

I know exactly what the term implies The wording itself is irrelevant.

kemptonpost:
Kaffir brains at work.

Kaffir is a term used to signify a "heathen" of non Islamic faith. It was borrowed by illiterate Kitchen dutch speakers in the cape coast to designate Africans that were non Christian peoples, especially when these kitchen Dutch speakers sort approval from their religious authorities to fornicate with Khoi/African slaves, when in actuality these same Kitchen dutch speakers in the eyes of the originators of the word were also "kaffirs".

"Kaffir brains at work" indeed!

jln115:
Tjomma weet jou Ma jy's hier? Want jy praat net n klomp stront!!

hey hey hey speak English eh. This site is not for Colloquial Kitchen dutch gibberish eh!

kemptonpost:
Malema is the problem you bloody idiot . Isn't he the one inciting these uneducated baboons to attack and steal from whites?.

Its takes a thief to know a thief huh?

kemptonpost:
Isn't his party supporting laziness ?.

Laziness from a people who practically built your country. hahahahahaha!

kemptonpost:
Aren't all the idiots making noise in parliament criminals and illiterates wearing red overalls?.

I know many of them are PHD holders. I get it you want them to confirm to the proverbial suite and tie Maimane and his fellow DA member spot. lol

kemptonpost:
Isn't malema the reason kaffirs are running around killing innocent white people on the farms because they are brainwashed by this criminal that we are their problems?.

They been killing ya'll long before the EFF became a formidable force.

kemptonpost:
The country was at peace before this deranged lunatic started driving a wedge between blacks and whites . Since this lunatic was given audience the blacks now want what is for white people, since when did blacks want land when they can't even farm?. Malema has the blood of many white farmers on his hands and he will pay for it with his own life when the time comes . A moegoe like yourself cannot even see that this guy is trying to destroy a good country . The DA and Cope and FF-plus seem to be the only parties that support unity jobs , the rest are diving the country and inciting hatred and violence.

South Africa at peace, Laughable statement. You must be talking about the days when you lived in those high walls in your enclaves and made oblivious of the problem many of your so called fellow citizens were facing.

Welcome to the real SOUTH AFRICA. Love it or leave it.

Lionessza6:
I really don't know who is more foolish ;the house nigga who thinks he can scoop the black middle class votes or his Cape town handlers who think putting an Obama wannabe -freak infront of them will make this class of darkies support their bid to keep economic power . Both are delusional as hell though , and I'm happy this election saw them falling flat on their faces , not that im a fan of the ruling party either but it's still way better than being lead by white liberals , I would even opt for the boer "conservative "party , Atleast with them you know what is coming lol.

The word does seem scary , but isn't South Africa an abnormally scary country to begin with ? Lol. It is either the drastic actions are taken now or the people on the ground who are already agitated will bypass any " negotiations " and destroy the whole shythole in rapid speed for everyone , and the cracks are starting to show in many corners of the country, it is only a matter of time before it gets out of control. I always LMFAO whenever some of these idiots blame Malema for what is happening in the country ,forgetting that if there were not major issues to begin with then there would be no need for Malema or anyone like that . Malema seems to be the problem for them not the inequality , poverty and onwenership of the factors of production which are all racially skewed .

Couldn't have articulated the above write up any better.


The floor is yours....... My lady

OyinbowithaTan:
You go so far off topic it serious whatabouism. Terrorism, or a mass shooting in Africa doesn't even register in these parts. If witch doctors kill Albinos in Africa, nobody cares in the US, UK or NZ. 99% of people globally have no idea that a S. African man thinks raping a virgin, to cure AIDS, happens. You can't fix that. There is no system to educate that many idiots. The whites should leave S. Africa if they can.

They should leave as soon as possible.......run....run....white flight.....Leave the heathens to their faith.

The dark continent is doomed to forever darkness....

The white man brings light because the color of his skin is White.. The black man breaths darkness because the color of his skin is dark.

Run..... White man......run. Save your Progeny.....your children from being eaten alive by the black heathens.....Your daughters from being raped by the big black dick....... Run... run... save your advanced civilization....run....run...run....run....Keep running

SMH!

Lionessza6:
Does the house nigga running around infront of y'all live in the shacks of khayelitsha? ,after all he claims to care for the poor too .

That's cold sister. lol

Lionessza6:
Who made the Africans poor then , the ANC?. The majority of DA members are products and beneficiaries of the system that made the Africans poor , and gave everything to European settlers . Boy , whatever the ANC criminals have looted in the last two decades could never have solved the underlying problems of South Africa because the problems are more structural than anything , from the banking sector to the judiciary etc. Radical economic transformation is the only way foward , the little decorations didn't work , the real changes must take place. Now you can rant as much as you want, you cannot stop what is happening.

I think people scared of the word "Radical". It connotates something revolutionary or evolutionary really...

OyinbowithaTan:
I disagree, but so what. It is over. SA is done. I mean you have black men there, millions, who think raping a virgin 12 year old cures AIDS. LOL.

You also have White men who run into mosques, synagogues and high schools shooting up innocent people in the US, UK, New Zealand. Some of them even believe " Val Halla" is real.

Moral of the story, there are stupid people everywhere.!

OyinbowithaTan:
Some came on ships, some walked. Most came because the Dutch made it first world. LOL.

1.Its a 1st world surrounded by a third world.

2. Gold.....Gold and Diamonds made it first world not the Dutch. Correlation does not imply causation.

3. The Dutch did not build South Africa, cheap labour did.

Amujale:
According to history, Africans are the first people to arrive and build communities on the American continent, that make them Native American.

Africans are the first to inhabit all the other continents of the world, which includes the Americas.

Don't forget the part where these first humans /Africans wereand dropped off here by Alien beings on a space ship as well.

Amujale:
Lol. I am not here to argue with you about spectrum and the colours of a rainbow , it’s a simple innocent video that clearly
supports what was said earlier.

For me personally I know what I state in my earlier post to always be accurate and true.

Yeah the point flew right over your head huh?

OyinbowithaTan:
Look SA is going downhill fast, nothing will stop it. ANC, EFF whatever. It will reach stage 5 disaster level within 10 years. All of the money will be gone, off shore etc.

include DA in there as well, DA! DA!

Try to look on the bright side though, What goes down must come up eh!. When the money goes so will the "people" who came in the first place to "exploit the resource", then they will then be replaced by another set of "greedy" peoples in search of the "profit" motive; foreign or local and the whole cycle of rich and poor starts all over again.

Don't fret much. Life is a cycle. People in 1994 said that it was the end of South Africa, packed their bag and left but you still had people making money after 1994 didn't you?

OyinbowithaTan:
He is a phucking politician. Of course he is going to promise some sort of BS to his followers. Isn't he already on the take, getting money from well to do people? There isn't going to be some sort middle and upper middle class first worldism for S. Africa for the masses.
All of the elements of first worldism will die a slow death. Naspers probably has 1 foot out of the door, surprised they have not moved their HQ to a different country.

I wonder what politician on the other side of the political spectrum, who doesn't promise BS to his followers?

I guess you are left with the BS that serves your group the best, huh?

Amujale:
Then you must accept being colour blind. For me and everyone else can clearly determine one of them is black and the other white.

As is clearly the description of the video.

1. one of them is actually 'brown' while the other is high yellow if you want to play around with spectrum of colors and subjectivity. These are intermediaries btw both parents. Their hair textures are intermediary as well and so are their facial phenotypical expressions.


2. The description of the video is a subjective interpretation based on how we "construct" race and identity in human societies. What is not subjective is that in terms of biology and genetics, both parents who's genetic makeup are distinct to two particular geographical areas gave each of their children 50% of their genetic makeup derived from and particular to the geographic areas on this planet.


if ancient native Americans were partly African in origin, they would connect with contemporary Africans on a genetic level, in other words their DNA would represent peoples who come from this geographical region of the world. All the fossils from these people do not represent this on a genetic level, therefore they cannot be African.

OyinbowithaTan:
"seize", in the case of Cuba and Venezuela at gunpoint. If you want food stamps or welfare, lobby for it, that isn't socialism.

Julius chooses Socialism as an economic system because he wants to be everything that is opposite to his perceived enemy since all his enemy's systems have failed the masses.

Almost all the movements in opposition to the Apartheid state were economic systems that were in opposition to that of their Oppressors. Its a no brainer, When he states that "capitalism has never worked for his people", he is not really lieing is he?

The DA cannot seem to articulate or reconcile its position of the benefits of a capitalist state faced with the issue of black empowerment and historical injustices and so will continue to remain or be viewed as the custodian of "White monopoly capital".

Amujale:
These are based out of my experience.

The picture you posted of that couple is in support of my point.

the two babies in that picture are both 'biracial" or mixed. If you test both their DNA's they would represent 50% African, assuming the father is 100% African genetically and 50% European assuming the mother is 100% European.

Their phenotypes are a mix and match of what prevailing combination of the parents genotype that is expressed or dominant in the child. You can look more like your father or mother "PHYSICALLY".

Amujale:
These are based out of my experience.

experience is a subjective matter. It cannot be equated to being factual.

Amujale:
Why have you insert my name to a fake post?

When did you see me ever misuse 'slave in any of my previous post.

Error in posting.

Amujale:
Not at all, in your above scenario there could only likely be one of three results:

(a)Blacksic
(b)White
(c)Mixed

There is only one likely result in the example given and not 3 my friend. This is why I used the example to illustrate to you that your view point or your so called "Africanist" stance is subjective and not objective reasoning when you weight it against prevailing evidence, which makes it inferior as a paradigm.

A child of black and white procreation is 50% black and 50% white in his genetic make up. He inherits 1/2 copy of his DNA from his White parent and the other half from his Black/African parent. This is an objective conclusion based on scientific data and scientific evidence. If this experiment is conducted on this mixed race a million times the result will be the same making this "factual information".


The mixed race child dependent on what part of the world they live in can be categorized as a 'black child" or a "white child" depending on their appearance or racial designation within that given society. This is subjectivity and is not based on actual scientific and reproduceable tests.

To bring us back to the point of contention he is to simply state that because a group of people may have identical skin tones to people that exist in Africa does not make them African. Genetically speaking they are not even though phenotypically speaking they retain certain attributes that are prevalent in African today.

Genetically speaking the Aboriginal Australians and the Papau new Guinean peoples are the most distant from Africans while the Europeans are closer to the Africans, even though phenotypically the Aboriginal peoples retain or profess similar appearances to that of Contemporary Africans.

Native Americans are not Africans. This whole sailing to the new world is fabrication. They were groups of people that may have crossed from the Wet coast of Africa to the new world by sea but they were contemporary as in the times of Mansa Musa in the 7th, 8th and 9th century not 11,000 years ago.

Stop it.

OyinbowithaTan:
Socialism is state ownership of industry and means of production. So in Socialism the government seizes the private banks, manufacturing, building/construction, food production etc.

I like I how you use the word "seize" here. A nice connotation that expresses your perception of the entirety of what all encompasses socialist theory/ideology, while ignoring arguments that discuss say dialectical materialism and how appropriate that might fit into the peculiarities of South Africa in terms of its history.

Socialism or socialist ideas are not necessarily anti market. They do however seek to facilitate "social outcomes" or "social programs" that are applicable in the South African context.

OyinbowithaTan:
Socialism doesn't work. BTW working class people in the USA can make very good money in construction trades, welding etc. If S. Africa goes the way of Venezuela, or Cuba before that, everyone is in misery except a few at the top. You can bet S. Africans with money, black or white already have placed off shore somewhere. Wealthy Venezuelans started doing that as far back as 2005.

PS. The apartheid regime was socialist economy in my opinion.

It did not allow for free competition of all peoples.

It did redistribute wealth/resources to a specific group of people.

It did manipulate the markets via special concessions to special interest groups.

It did bar certain groups of people participating freely in its open market system.

It did manipulate the circumstances of private ownership of property for a "large" group of its population.

It did restrict certain groups of people from economic participation. e.t.c

OyinbowithaTan:
Socialism doesn't work. BTW working class people in the USA can make very good money in construction trades, welding etc. If S. Africa goes the way of Venezuela, or Cuba before that, everyone is in misery except a few at the top. You can bet S. Africans with money, black or white already have placed off shore somewhere. Wealthy Venezuelans started doing that as far back as 2005.

Social capitalism is a good start but then again is South Africa's democracy mature enough to handle such a bridge between the two economic systems as "white monopoly capital" strangles the efforts of the government to find an amicable solution to the redistribution of wealth and ill gotten wealth for that matter, Hmmm?

You have social programs that deal with the issues of a racist legacy and you also deal with some of the Land issues that are of great depth and importance in South African history. Deal with funding SME's and funding the innovative sector of the economy to create jobs and increase the middle class. A good start

The wages of Working class people in the US is stagnant and has been stagnant for a good number of years. Working class people are not getting richer or are not able to transfer wealth from one generation to the other because wages are not keeping up with inflation, cost of living, taxation, etc. You have government cutting welfare programs left, right and center yet have an enormous military budget to build 500 million dollar bombs to point at Russia and parade their military might across the world, selling weapons to third world countries who in turn give their government and private companies resource concessions to suck the resources/profits from these countries leaving the rest of the people in perpetual conflict with each other.

Stop it men. All sides are necessary in the way forward including the socialist leaning EFF party.

kemptonpost:
Immigrants are not sissies they can take whatever comes their way unlike the " I want a black and my own mine fucktards".

NB:

Divide and conquer!

Divide and conquer!

Don't fall for the rhetoric.

I am Malawian and the Malawian is me!. I am the Zimbabwean and the Zimbabwean is me!. I am the Burundian and the Burundian is me!

They want you to remain working class. This is the genius of a capitalist system that creates a "special class" of people and endows them with all the resources in a given space while using as much cheap labor as they can to turn a profit.

Like Julius alluded to . I wait for the day that "Whites' will become our maids and carry our kids on their backs, clean our toilets or at least clean their own toilets. VIVA Africa!