Amujale: The true chronology of human history has it that everyone starts in Africa and later migrate to all the four corners of the globe.
Africans are the first people to arrive in the Americas populate and build communities.
Africans are the first people to arrive in Asia populate and build communities.
Africans are the first people to arrive in Australasia populate and build communities.
Africans are the first people to arrive in Europe populate and build communities.
Africans are the first ever Eskimos
Conclusion, every single ethnic group on our planet are a product of the first generation of humans; the first generation of humans are Africans.
Any other theory or hypothesis in living memory does not stand up to these simple truths.
Let's be clear on your above statement. You are correct in your assertion however what must be made clear is that these migrations started 150,000 to 200,000 years ago so the "Africans" you are referring to may have not looked liked or shared the same genetic lineage as contemporary Africans today. so Contemporary Africans you see today and People outside of the continent share the same lineage or descent but one did not emanate from the other.
In other words the Africans that remained in Africa also experienced a transformative morphological change both genetically and phenotypically. What I am trying to say is that the Africans that left the continent would resemble the Africans that still live in Africa today but they are not us now both phenotypically and genetically speaking. As Africans we have evolved too over that length of time to become what we are today.
NileValley: This skin tone probably comes from their Aboriginal Australian ancestors , we Africans know that we have nothing to do with the American continent. Black Americans are the biggest hypocrites they complain about cultural appropriation yet they try to steal the Native American identity , not just the culture , the entire identity. Disgusting slaves.
A DNA Search for the First Americans Links Amazon Groups to Indigenous Australians:
When you say "Black Americans" have nothing to do with the American continent I am not sure your statement is all that correct. Africans who were brought to the Americas at the same time Europeans settled in the Americas heavily influenced the racial makeup of today's "Americans" as a continent, therefore they have had a strong influence on the cultural, linguistic and genetic identity of the people that inhabit the Americas today.
The remaining Indigenous or Native Americans exist in smaller pockets today and their gene pool has been diluted and spread across the peoples they encountered i.e Europeans and Africans to create the new so called racial identity of today's "Latinos" or "Hispanics". The African inclusion is however downplayed a lot in this new racial makeup due to the origins of the Africans as slaves and thus the anger within the Black American groups so in a way these AA are justified in their anger and their reason for propping up the African identity within the Americas.
frosbel2: This thread is going to stir a little controversy and perhaps incur the ire of some of my atheist ‘friends’; however, I bear no ill will to any one, this is just an expression of the frustration of many free thinkers like myself, who are tired of the lack of originality inherent in the black African. Our foundation is being eroded and yet we are asleep and sleep walking into an abyss of cultural genocide. We esteem the work and theology of the white man better than our own way of life. We are unaware that these concepts we keep accepting and living out, were designed with sinister intent, to eradicate the black man's foundation and prevent him from advancing spiritually, economically and politically.
Our resident atheists (I love them) have latched onto the flying spaghetti monster idea, which is a WHITE MAN's concept, and absorbed all the theology behind it to offer an alternative to abusive religion in Africa. The reason is understandable, but the question is, why do we have to borrow this concept and introduce it into our culture? It is certainly not designed for our welfare or betterment and in many cases promotes a racist superiority ideology.
Then we have black Muslims who are more fanatical than the Arab founders of Islam and have embraced this ancient ideology to the retrogression of their economic, social, spiritual and cultural wellbeing. They live a 6th century Arab man's life and call it religion , when it is more of a supremacist political ideology than a religion. They accept the Koran with the same faith that Christians have for their bible and will hate, denounce or even kill their own families who show signs of disagreement with its message. What is this? Another case of the FOLLOW FOLLOW BLACK MAN. The Arabs are the most racist people to the blacks, we all know it, but hey, who cares - we have no originality , so we will just tag along.
Then we come to the super duper of the LOT. WHITE JESUS. This white Jesus has been responsible for the death of millions and rampant shedding of blood over a Millennia in the name of their Jewish Messiah, the same messiah that the Jews reject. Nigerians are shameless when it comes to WHITE JESUS, the same SHI.T that was introduced at a time when blacks were enslaved, colonized , oppressed and humiliated , - complete with bible verses to back up their actions is the same SHI.T that has darkened our continent and promoted laziness, procrastination, superstition and division.
How about the BLACK MAN come up with something ORIGINAL for his race, something that promotes the belief in a God or concept that promotes the peaceful co-existence of the African black man and facilitates his/her economic, political and social prosperity. What about something ORIGINAL than represents the BLACK RACE, and that wipes away the stigma of our shame and humiliation. When will we ever become ORIGINAL and abandon all these useless foreign concepts and start to embrace our own peculiarities and form a national identity that future generations will be proud of ?
Something like AFRICANISM as FELA suggested ??
The Yoruba pantheons are original what are you talking about?
Noneroone: Firstly, the truth is most people don’t know what love truly means. What most people call love is just romantic attraction. They have an amorous depiction of love which does not last. I asked a guy who swore that he ‘loves’ his fiancée whether he would still marry her if her both legs were amputated after an accident, he frankly said no. I told him “you don’t love her, what you share is attraction”. Many marriages have collapsed because they began on emotional footing. The truth is that love is not something you fall into. Anything you fall into such as temptation Sin and “love” is not of God. Sampson fell in love with Delilah, Solomon loved foreign women but we all know the end. Love is not a feeling that overwhelms, It a choice, a decision, a commitment and, an act of will. You chose and learn to love just like hate. That is why it is always given by God as a command eg love you neighbor, husband love your wife. Falling in love is not biblical, and it’s not a valid reason for marriage. In other words, love happens inside marriage not before it. Marriage is quite bigger than love and it lasts till death. This is why it so important that you set aside emotion and consider natural pillars and avoid issues that can stress a union. Love comes in to bind and seal these natural and tangible elements and help the union hold together. If love is all that matters, it means the marriage ends when couple ’fall out’ of love. When on a very important journey, would you rather take a beautiful venza headed to somewhere else than taking a modest bus heading to your destination?. Of course taking the bus will make your journey successful but the venza that caught your fancy will keep you stranded in a strange destination. The venza decision is emotional while that of bus is hinged on reason. One of, if not the most important criteria for a successful marriage is culture and value compatibility. It is God who created every tribe and tongue( Acts 17:26) (Deut 32: 8 ) this wasn’t an act of tribalism. values and ideas about marriage vary across cultures, yet every Tribe is right in their own culture and values .The friction only comes when one tries to mix their different values and bloodline through marriage. Hence GOD instructed his people to marry from among themselves (Deut 7:1-3) (Num 36:6) (Num 12:1) (Gen 28:1)(Ezra 9:12). Moreover, every girl is trained in a specific cultural and religious environment and can only find her niche within her own tribe. Marriage is not just about the two persons involved. When you marry a man, the man’s people become your people, his language, god, culture become yours. There is no such thing as “respect each others’ culture” in marriage, otherwise you are no longer really married. There is more to marital bliss than your husband’s love. This includes enjoying through marriage those social privileges your culture gives to your new status as married women, which you were born to appreciate and cherish, and which has shaped your personality. This will not make much sense to you if you marry out your ethnic group and as such, affect your happiness in the long run. With these, those who like to think otherwise can see that Marriage is almost absolutely cultural. Again, do you know there is a connection between marriage and ethnic loyalty? Men who marry from outside their ethnic group shy away from ethnic nationalism and things that promote the uniqueness of their ethnic groups. They brand such things “tribalism” but we know their actions are not normal…this is why God spoke against it in Joshua (23:12-13) Again, Wives are called helpers. They help their husband achieve their purpose. Can an Igbo woman (or vice versa) ‘help’ make her Yoruba children functional members of the Yoruba society when she knows nothing about their culture? No. compatibility plays an all-important role in the success of a marriage and sharing same value is the first step towards that. In inter tribal marriage, conflict of culture and value happen right there within a family, which even defeats the essence of the family To be clear, there are issues generally common to marriage but these ones highlighted are peculiar to inter-tribal marriages, and when added to the general ones make inter-ethnic marriage very much likely to fail. This explains why they fail more. The silent majority are struggling to hold together. What is more is the fate of the children. They suffer from identity crisis. Theirs is a spirit yearning for a full sense of belonging from either of the two different cultures and identity which meet in their own family. Conflicting social identity is not healthy to an individual’s sense of self realization. Most offspring of mixed marriages naturally don’t involve deeply in their fathers society and culture. This is why they end up being open to intertribal marriage, again continuing the cycle of ‘normlessness’. Don’t be deceived. Not everything popular is right. Peoples future are not built on fables fantasies and fiction. Most important decisions of life are not taken for political correctness. If you start what you can’t finish, what you started will finish you. Those married should try and make it work while those about to should look before they leap.
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The s.t.u.pidest religious and bigoted gibberish I have ever read. The person that wrote tis cannot be over 30 because it reeks of infantile thought and un-rational thought.
Love is an emotion therefore it is an emotional response to a physical, psychological and spiritutal connection one develops with another human being driven by natural hormones that enhances the experience.
Marriage is different from love, it is an institutional body created to facilitate and propagate life in a meaningful and constructive manner that helps further a societies norms.
Tribes,ethnic groups, religious beliefs, creeds, and the likes are social constructs that also help foster societies which is why they are interlinked in the choice of your marriage partner.
IF they put a black man, a white woman, a jewish man an arab muslim, a catholic Asian etc on a deserted island and left them to their own demise, they would create a brand new race, a brand new culture with brand new systems and a brand new religion that would foster their survival and existence and would " fall in love" with each other as a function of proximity and attraction.
The poster of this thread is a child and best and a blind religious I.diot at worst
Amharas don't have European DNA. It's just European propaganda. Amharas are mix of Cushite/Semite/Omote/Nilot, but large percentage of their DNA is Cushite, so they are Cushite.
I understand you, but the usage of religion/God isn't appropriate.
Do you consider yourself Hebrew than African? No or yes only!
African identity exist, just like European, Asian and South American identity exist. Why you don't want to be identified as African?
To be more precise, Amhara have West Asian DNA which is generally Semetic but Europeans are closely related to People from the region of West Asia thus the link.
Amhara do have more Neanderthal DNA than most sub Saharan Africa because of this admixture but at a very low frequency.
There is nothing such as a true Negro. There have been different types of Africans but one particular phenotype were the most successful spreading within the continent and thus are the largest representation of the African phenotype today.
nineone: Ika is a language and not a dialect of any other language. That being said, what else do you know about Ika apart from the lie you've been purportedly been told?
IF you share no origins with Igbo, Ika should conduct massive DNA testing on their people, if they cluster with Benin people then proble solved.
Self actualization does not mean fabricated your origins.
I am buying a wig just to minimise my natural hair destruction by this civilization. And to look "official" for my boss
We need to rethink this combing hair thing
(Just using my hands to disentangle and moisten minimizes the destruction)
Come are you serious. Do you know how ancient combs that were made in Africa are. Please google is your friend, use it and understand that combing of hair ahs been something done by Africans +-10,000 years ago
thedragon: The Khoi are genetically distinct to black Africans and thus don't represent the true spectrum of Black African skin tone anymore than Horners do. Black Africans in general are dark-skinned when they are poor. OP is full of mixed race people like Brazilians.
The Khoi are as genetically distinct to Yoruba as are Yoruba to the Dinka tribes. They are genetically African in every sense of the word but have a much older genetic makeup.
The term Black African encompasses all who are predominantly African in genetic makeup and appearance, this would include your Ethiopians, Sudanese, bantu, khoi, sene-gambian and the likes.
Africans do not have one skin tone expression and generally speaking are a dark brown as opposed to a jet black skin tone. AA's would display these variations as well outside of any mixtures but would tend to have lighter tones because of admixtures as well.
That's not entirely true. My mother traced her dna to Cameroon,British, Native American, and SouthEast Asian. Of course, the SouthEast Asian, and Native American components were small and generations ago. What Im saying is AA bloodline is complicated, DNA analysis proves this to be true.
Spot on and please don't mind people who don't understand DNA tests and what the results actually mean.
AA's have admixture in them and are generally lighter in complexion to native Africans. A simple test of the cast of Black panther will attest to this. the AA characters are generally lighter than their African counterparts.
playerinc: A lot of plays and drama have been acted with the person playing the OBA OF BENIN wearing the Oba's Attire. That's no problem. But the person must be a man as a woman cannot wear that attire. It is a taboo. Something that can be interpreted as an intentional insult on the Crown and tradition of Benin People. Traditionalists don't take such a thing likely. She should apologise ASAP before something inexplicable happens to her. A word is enough for the wise. You don't rubbish the tradition and culture of a people and expect them to keep quiet.
A taboo is simply a conjecture of one's mind on a certain cultural aspect that is deemed unacceptable to people who practice that culture in particular. In other words Its neither truth nor is fact but mere sentiment.
I understand being rebellious and not adhereing to certain cultural norms but saying anyting inexplicable should happen to this lady I is intolerable. What force of nature gave anyone the right?
viscerion: Ikwerres have their own group, they are not part of ohaneze ndigbo,
If u Igbos like keep on lieing, whether you people succeed In deceiving odas or not does not matter, it's not by shouting here online, let biafra come and let's see whether ikwerres will join u guys, not to talk of the calabar, warri, portharcourt or yenagoa people
DNA! DNA! DNA! DNA!
Blood does not lie, you can concort story tire, when we test your blood e go show!
XhosaNostra: You're being ignorant right now for someone who claims to be well-informed about the history of Apartheid. Yes, if he was in any of our neighbouring countries, he would have been done for much earlier.
Not necessarily true. In my opinion he would have been very low priority when it came to who the government would want assassinated outside of their borders. If you disagree please elaborate as to why?
XhosaNostra: You were just being a sissy. You're probably immune to some of the medieval illnesses found in your part of the world & the general hellish weather conditions. He obviously wasn't, because he didn't have the titanium immune system needed to survive a 5th world country Hence he became very ill. He most likely died in your country from a number of possibilities.
Probably so. don't blame me for my immunity though blame your ancestors for migrating out of those "5th world hellish weather conditions" Rule of nature...…..Opportunity cost "for everything you get you give up something in return"
If the poor chap couldn't hang he should have fled to Europe or North Africa where the climate was more conducive. I am sure a number of them would probably have given him instant asylum but like most black South Africans, they are like fish out of water outside their territory. They cannot cope.
Maybe he did who knows, all is speculation right now, you know!
XhosaNostra: He was a wanted man back home, so it wouldn't have been wise for him to return to Southern Africa. In any case, he complained to his mother about the living conditions at that college in Warri, the food etc. He was miserable
Like seriously the national government would waste resources in pursuit of a student with no affiliation to any guerilla movement, any training or insurgent attacks on the government.
He did complain to his mother about living conditions, I did the same when I was sent to Zaria far away from home for the first year. Am I dead?
Jaqenhghar: Probably betrayed him for a few dollars. Niggerians will sell their own to the white man for a handshake and a selfie
Jaqenhghar: Probably betrayed him for a few dollars. Niggerians will sell their own to the white man for a handshake and a selfie
Betrayed him to who? The national government could have cared less about the young fellow as soon as he exited the country, he was inconsequential. Boy couldn't survive the Malaria
Jkay187: Morphy, housing a ANC communication headquarters for two years including Thabo Mbeki don't really justify the exaggeration displayed here by your fellow citizens to a point where they make claims that they fed SAns and gave their lives to save us from the apartheid regime.
There were monthly contributions that were taken from mostly civil servants paychecks that were designated for humanitarian efforts and other logistical support to the ANC and anti-apartheid movement. That is were you get that rhetoric from when you hear Nigerians mention contributions they made to the fight.
Shikena!
Jkay187: We SAns know our own history and some of us have lived experiences of Apartheid including family members who were in exile in Zambia and those who took up arms during the SA border war against SADF. What Nigerians need to take cognizance of is that other african countries like Zambia, Angola and Tanzania contributed more then Nigeria during apartheid to a point where their borders were raided by the former regime. Nigerians should cool down on their we saved you from apartheid rhetoric.
Anyone who knows Southern African history will know this, if you encounter a Nigerian saying otherwise, he is not well versed then
XhosaNostra: TBH, at one point I also respected countries like Botswana, Zimbabwe & Lesotho, until one of Chris Hani's interviews. He had some stories to tell about his time in exile & not all were in good light. They were attacked on several occasions or had their secret location divulged to the South African police. I still believe South Africans are way too kind.
Zimbabwe probably the only reasonable country on your list. There were many more countries you should mention who covertly assisted exiles and SA'fricans as well. Read your African history and drop those Van riebeeck text books.
XhosaNostra: I've asked similar questions here before. It's lowly to demand that you be treated with preferential treatment because you supposedly helped someone in their time of need. It doesn't work like that in South African culture. You leave it up to the other person, but you don't employ manipulative tactics, to try to emotionally blackmail them into doing your bidding. No, sir! It's even worse coming from them because the likes of Mbuyisa were starved while hiding out in Nigeria. He was desperate to leave the country according to the letter he sent to his mother. There's even a rumour that he was used for voodoo by Nigerians. As for Tsietsi Mashinini, his own mother reported that he was "rescued" by Meriam Makeba from Nigeria & taken to the country where he eventually got killed.
I don't think any sensible Nigerian or anyone for that matter should have preferential treatment in any way shape or form in another man's country. If you are abiding by a countries laws and contributing to its well being then you should be fine. Those that cry out emotional pleas or blackmail peoples sensibilities are simply semi-illiterates venting because of their credible claims of Xenophobia that exist in South Africa.
Again Mbuyisa was not held captive in Nigeria and was free to come and go as he pleased, if the Nigerian government neglected him well that's no surprise at all from the Nigerian perspective. However I am sure there were Southern African and European embassies that existed in Nigeria when he resided there. How he did not take advantage of any of these is left to pure speculative conjextures.
The accusation that he was used for rituals again comes from watching too many Nollywood movies. Weak jabs my friend.
XhosaNostra: He didn't have a good experience in Nigeria going by the letter he sent to his mother before he mysteriously disappeared. What did you guys do to Mbuyisa Makhubo? We didn't forget. Hope you didn't eat him
This young gentleman probably could not cope with living in equatorial Africa with mosquitos and Typhoid fever. I fear he faded in obscurity and probably passed. It is possible he made it to another country and simple chooses not to be visible any longer.
The fact remains he was not a prisoner nor was he prevented from journeying back to any country in Southern Africa.
XhosaNostra: So what exactly is your point? I can only speak of what I have experienced, not hearsay. I have also heard of all the sad stories from my parents & others, mostly about the police, so what you're saying is not news to me. Even those that experienced the wrath of Apartheid 1st hand have bad & good things to say about it. The same way they also have good & bad things to say about the current government. So I'm not sure why you think your "interviews" with miners, paint a more clearer picture. Because the fact remains, the things I mentioned existed long before 1992. Not sure what you're getting all wheezy & long-winded about here.
Your responses were imbalanced and I simply am bringing balance to them, don't make people who are not versed in South African history oblivious of all aspects of what happened from 1948 and even further back if we want to take it there is my point.
XhosaNostra: Lol @ from beginning to end. You guys sure like to be the baby at every christening & the bride in every wedding. Newsflash, South Africans sacrificed a whole lot more, their lives! We weren't folding hands waiting to be rescued! Most of us have never heard of a country called Nigeria until you started yapping about the "billions" you allegedly donated to our movement.
Correction, most of you have never heard of "most" countries outside of the ones that bordered yours in Africa so be clear on that.
XhosaNostra: South Africans, minus the likes of Nelson Mandela etc, don't owe you or any other country anything. Because for one, we didn't flock en masse to other countries, running away from the brutality of Apartheid. We remained home. Two, a few people went for training in neighbouring countries, where they stayed in bushes or camp-like settings for the duration of their mission & were often betrayed or mistreated, according to the likes of Chris Hani etc. Where was the African brotherhood then? You guys like to accuse us of being xenophobic, when xenophobia started long before we made that term popular. You're just a bunch of attention seekers that's all. Ordinary South Africans don't recognize your contribution. You came into existence only recently as far as we're concerned. That is also a fact. Here's another one, the fact that we have foreigners living amongst us in South Africa today, is benevolence on the part of South Africans. We never bothered you lot about anything. Our people lived in bushes like rats but they accepted the offer & never complained or expected to be treated like royalty the way you do. FO!
1.SA's do not owe Nigerians anything at all let me make that very clear. This is not the point, the point is to acknowledge the solidarity of African states to the anti-Apartheid cause and move on.
2. SA's during this era stayed within their borders out of ignorance of the rest of the world more so than anything else. This is evident today where the average citizen in the country can't even name 5 capital cities outside of SADC. In addition the indoctrination by the Apartheid government via controlled media and images lends to this ignorance. How many Saffer's could obtain "South African' passports during this time and if they could they would be under the citizenship of the Bantustans which other countries did not recognize. How then were you going to leave the country in mass
3. Saffer's should be applauded for their humanitarian acceptance of refugees, economic migrants and asylum seekers across the continent, however this does not cover up the existence of Xenophobia exists and is perpertrated by citizens of the country as a result of this tense situation.
panafrican: 3. If you put a homosexual population on an island and cut off any contact with the outside world over 50 or more years will this population decline to zero? Answer Yes or No.
The backwardness is in the minds of those who can't realize that homosexuality is a thread to mankind.
Nature designed all living things, who are you to question the laws of nature.
Homosexuals are both male and female, if you put them on an island they will find a way, ba!
TMKsouth: Illegal migration & u been gatvol with it. U know mos our brothers here are almost all residing in SA illegally on fake papers.
There's a thread on the Travel section (Best West African Countries to be Nationalised) where they giving each other advise on bribing people to get a Ghanaian passport so they can get into Europe/Asia with it.
I really hope Ghanaians wake up to this trend coz their good passport is gonna weaken once "some people" are done with it. SA passport was similarly weakened in the 2000s bcoz of "some people" obtaining it to enter Europe Visa-free. That's why now u & me need visas to enter some European countries whereas it wasn't the case before.
SMH. The SA passport weakened as a result of mostly "Asian" migrants into Europe. Your indian community harboured and assimilated a lot of South Asian illegal immigrants and thus were the highest culprits of this act which spurred Britain to start requesting VIsa. Your White population were the second largest culprits as they saw how easy it was to emigrate to the UK via marriage and work visas and lastly the Africans the last set.
Please lets be truthful, the SA passport was never a desirable passport even though admittedly it has been used by many to transport themselves to mostly European countries.
XhosaNostra: Good points, but all whites were not rich & all blacks were not poor during Apartheid. I grew up in East London. Growing up there in the 90s, there was a place called eSigingqini, where all the poor white people lived. Most of the children there went to Grens, which was a school for poor white people back then.They were called amagxagxa, because they were less privileged & dirty. We need to paint a clear picture of the old South Africa, because some people tend to think we had no schools etc. Some even go as far as to claim that they fed & clothed us during Apartheid. I don't know about other black South Africans here, but both my parents worked & they were responsible. I wore Woolies even back in the day & got a new uniform every January. I was an "only child". We were not poor in MY family. We were working class.
Apatheid ran from 1948 to roughly 1992 so when you explain paint a good picture of all of it not the part you "experienced" or when laws became relaxed. I have personally heard stories and interviewed many individuals who are in their 60's and 70's that would paint a different picture and have seen passes of nursed in their 70's that restricted their movement in the cities from 7pm to 7am the next morning and they were only allowed limited movement as they worked in the hospitals (baragwana) in the day time. I have interviewed mine workers who were heavily discriminated against, lost their jobs, were not allowed to pursue certain professions and resorted to alcoholism and wife beaters.
PS we know whites and blacks intermingled in the 70's and 80's but albeit covertly. Your export to the US Trevor Noah elaborates on that in his book and also paints a good picture of life under apartheid in the early 80's and 90's.
There were many African countries that contributed to the struggle from the beginning to the end of Apartheid, Nigeria being one of them, Even though you did not feel the impact of her contributions, it was non the less given. Note I don not say this as some sort brag but that it did occur is a reality so take cognizance of that fact. It cannot be dismissed.
NubaVertigo: Okay, on a serious note. I've been looking online and realized Yorubas have 93.x% E-V38(e1b1a) frequency and 4.x% R1b frequency. Our neighbors, the Ewe, who I've always considered to be extremely close to the Yorubas have like 98% E-V38(e1b1a) haplogroup. Anyway, I wonder if R1b1 is the Oduduwa contribution in our history. Nobody really knows where he was from but who knows, that little genetic grouping might prove the oral history... As far as the actual topic here, yeah I agree with Nobody and JikanBaura... people be trippin
1.The Oduduwa story and the Yoruba pantheons are a mix of myth and real events that took place in Yoruba history. 2. The R1b frequency could have been intrusions from neighbouring groups such the Nupe, Igala, Igbirra or Hausa who were in closer contact with the Yorubas more so than the Ewe who undoubtedly share a genetic, cultural and linguistic history with the Yoruba to the East of them.
3. The low frequency in the Yoruba and in even lower frequency in the Ewe indicates it is most likely as a result of some mixing with groups carrying the R1B1
4. A way to test this theory would be to collect DNA sampling for all royal families in Yoruba land as they are the supposed descendants of the Oduduwa and his kin, if the R1b1 frequency occurs greater in their genotype than commoners then that would be a definite explanation for where the genetic marker came from since it is Paternal.
Spazolas: I’m even surprised how Igbos carry the E1b1a haplogroup DNA Marker, we aren’t related and we look nothing alike. I was puzzled when I discovered Hausas carried the R1b1b which was found in the Asians and Ashkenazis, whites to be precise.
You are surprised because you misunderstand phenotype versus Genotype. Someone doesn't have to look exactly like you to be very closely related to you. The E1b1a marker links Most West Africans and Bantu expansionists into one lineage, it doesn't mean they all look alike, it just means their origins are more connected than say a Sudanese Nilotic who would have a higher frequency of the more ancient paternal Ytdna of A at 50% or less.
The Hausa R1b1b is most likely from back migrations from the levant. The paternal inclusion in their DNA simply means a lot of males intermarried with sub Saharan African females a long time ago introducing this particular genetic component into their gene pool. It is not the total autosomal composition of their DNA which would be more West African due to introgression and more closely related to their surrounding groups.
jantavanta: @Mobilia, I have been following your conversation with @bosstrevor and @MrAkata
As you are set to discover Nigeria, be prepared for a country that is still trying to discover itself. Most of what we know is what we have been told in History books written by victorious Mr Colonizer. You may in the process discover some things which we do not know. I am always open to that. You have a Nigerian parent, so you do not have to go through the Ancient Egyptian route to discover Africa.
It gets to a stage in Life, after struggling to pass exams and getting a job, accommodation, spouse, etc. one begins to ask "Who am I in this world?". I think Sisters tend to ask that question more than Brothers, as observed by @MrAkata. Perhaps it is a division of labour among genders.
@MrAkata in interested in business. No problem. Every possible link is useful in doing business, be it academic, cultural, recreational. There is something called business culture, which varies from place to place. Some places, it is to meet in a restaurant. In some places, it is to know each other's house. So, how do we eliminate culture in trying to do business? Sometimes, the mere mention of a favourite English Premier league football club could even foster a business relationship. We all human.
[B]@morpheus24 and @bosstrevor seem having the age-old Lagos Islander versus Lagos Mainlander "battle for supremacy". Maybe it is similar to that of West Coast vs East Coast in USA. [/B]
I have to go for lunch. Welcome to Nigeria, the Origin of Life.
I have lived on the mainland and on the Island and actually travelled as far as Badagry to Agbara estate for Business, I actually prefer the mainland as it reflects the true sense of Lagos far better than the Island does. There is no battle for supremacy. All I try to correct is that the insistence that Lagos is culture-less and its all about the hustle. Yes Gidi is a hustle town driven my money but Gidi also has a "culture"you must embrace in other to survive there. Neglect it at your own peril
biafranation: Scientific Proof That Igbos Are Not The Same People As Yorubas and Hausas. When I say Igbo, it's a blanket term for Biafrans. Igbos/Biafrans and African Americans are Negroes, not Africans. Yorubas and Hausas are Africans. Negroes are blacks that went into Africa during the time of oppression.
Major differences between Negroes and Africans:
Negroes have flat skull as seen with Igbos/Biafrans and African Americans. Yorubas have narrow/coneskull or oblong as seen with Hausas. It's been proven that they process information differently.
Negroes come in all shades of black as seen with Biafrans and African Americans. Africans are usually dark skinned as seen with Yorubas and Hausas
Negroes are very muscular, well built and athletic, stronger bones, incredible strength as seen with Igbos/Biafrans and Africans Americans. Yorubas and Hausas are not muscular or well built. Negroes dominate sports, Africans don't. See who dominate sport in Nigeria...Biafrans!
Negroes are very hairy, Africans are not. Pay attention to most Igbo/Biafran and African American men, they are hairy, grow facial hair fast and even turn gray while in their 40s. Likewise our women are hairy too. Yorubas and Hausas are not hairy.
It's important for us to understand that we are not the same people even though we may appear as black people. Our brain don't function the same as our skull shape are different!
Watch video...don't attack me. I'm only showing what the scientist in this video said!
thebosstrevor: pls stop trying hard to make lagos look what it is not, sometimes it is good to be truthful. from what you wrote down "Maybe the area you live in not the area I am from" it shows you that you are fake and trying hard to protect a reputation. people that navigate lagos knows the reality, from the airport to the landlords, our "elders" love to hustle young people for money.
from my mother side, i am a core native of the land, from Isale Eko
tell me where you are from? and i want you to list the so called culture of present day lagos?
I have lived in Itire, bode Thomas, to Alaka estate to Iponri to Ekololu road in suruler to Gra Ikeja to Festac town to Akin Ogunlewe in Victoria Island and know the ins and outs of that city so please stop acting like because you come from a local government there you know the city better than me.
thebosstrevor: Maybe you are talking about lagos of old. I still stand with my word, Lagos culture is MONEY, once you have money, respect will follow. you can treat people like shit and even become everybody friends, even your ELDERs, the police and your landlord will start calling you SIR,OGA. this is from personal experience,even your elder on the street will start hustling you for money, it will go like this "anything for me" etc.
i am sure you trying to show that we are a respectful bunch, i am sorry to tell you, it doesnt exist again in lagos again, once you have cash, the door is open for you.
Maybe the area you live in not the area I am from.
Yes Money moves people in Lagos but like I said there is a culture in Lagos that is besides about money, if you don't understand it then to your own detriment.
You're resoundingly empty. You never rubbished me. You rubbished yourself by insulting.
On the topic you lost all credibility and resorted to insults. From that point you ceased to be human to this moniker. All you have is insults. Do not try to sound like you have anything to discuss.
It's a common denominator in all your posts that you must insult people once they don't agree with you.
Your insults do not mean you have an IQ(something you talk about a lot but do not own). I have let you know from the post you made, that for insulting me first you will always receive insults from this end.
If you wanted logical discourse you would not have insulted me. You would have been sensible and polite.
But you get what you give.
Your Verbiage demonstrates the poor construction of English you have. You sound like Zebrudaya lol
Culture › Re: Africans Were The First People Of The Ancient Americas by morpheus24: 4:46pm On Feb 18, 2019
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Hence he became very ill. He most likely died in your country from a number of possibilities.
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