₦airaland Forum

kemptonpost:
Blacks are the same all over the world, no one can help them no matter how hard one tries, blacks will be blacks and throw around what should be flushed , the so called black progressive class of South Africa have shown that to the whole world by voting ape instead of progress. No one can help Africa , Africans are too slow to even help themselves.

The usual White privileged propaganda. You are however entitled to your opinion just as long as you remain a minority with diminishing power in Africa, we can all vent our frustrations and we will be fine, no?

OyinbowithaTan:
There are like 1,000 different native tribes of the Americas. There are some differences with the ones in N. America vs. C. and S. America. In the USA there are a lot of people who claim Native ancestry, that have very little also.

The above reference doesn't mute my point does it. Its like saying there are a thousand different tribes of Africans in Africa with some differences amongst the groups. That doesn't negate the fact that the tribes are all native Americans and your earlier referenced to central American illegals is just a way of throwing shade at illegal immigrants.

Dem illegal immigrants in general are majority Native American as well.

kemptonpost:
As an untrained k.....I understand your cheekiness , you must be one of those violent eff and blf members that we will soon subdue. Stealing white properties and farms will soon be a deadly mistake.

1.Its okay my bruh you can say "kaffir", the word is powerless against my type, In fact the etymology of the word is Arabic, it means "heathen", "pagan" or unbeliever, borrowed by your White "Christian" brothers when they sort to differentiate baptized Coloreds and blacks from non baptized black peoples.

2. How can people steal something that was originally stolen in the first place, the audacity I tell you. Compensation is for the work put into the Land but make no mistake a good portion of it is stolen land. If you steal something, give it back!

kemptonpost:
[s]You need a k ...for What?. Who will dig my mine for me if they are all out of duty? . Propaganda is usually an excuse for jobless blackies who need proper handling like Malema and yourself.[/s]

Meaningless and empty statement by a frustrated pale face who is just venting his frustrations out on faceless forum..
Don't worry I understand, its okay, let it all out, it helps with the healing process.

You do also have the option of checking into a psych ward. I know .. I know Aal those "Darkies" driving you insane, eish?

OyinbowithaTan:
In North America some still do live on reservations. Some tribes got lucky with special Gaming permits and they have built nice casinos on their property. But I can tell you the illegal immigrants from C. America, they get drunk and smash their cars into others and kill others daily. It is a very under reported problem in the USA.

PS These central Americans you speak of are technically Native Americans as well no, so you speaking of the same stock of people as we well know that a good percentage of the so called Native Americans in those reservations with Casinos are not "pure" ethnically.

codemaniacs:
Africans never traded amongst themselves they shared amongst themselves... that's why you see artwork of different ethnic nations looking very similar.

So trade by barter is not trading at all. Hmmmm?

codemaniacs:
Africans also never traded slaves..

Yet all the royal houses of the Yoruba and Dahomey Kingdoms have corroborating historical accounts of selling people to the Europeans.

The Sokoto and Kano emirates founded by Othman Dan fodio, African muslims also have accounts of selling other "heathen" Africans to Arabs and Europeans alike.

Na wa for some people o!

OyinbowithaTan:
Nope, that is insane. The originally came from Asia. And that is what their DNA says also.

If you present Amujale with all the evidence in the world to support this assertion he will tell you it is Eurocentric science and should therefore be discarded but the same person will take a penicillin shot when the olosho he hammered gave him Gonorrhea.

SMH!

Amujale:
My take is that for one to truly get understanding African history, certain conditions are to hold; one is to disregard rhetoric, foreign hear say and all other anti-African discourse with regards to history.

In other words we are to remain objective when we are inspecting information to see if it is factual or not. Something you obviously are not doing since you are pushing an Afro centric rhetoric.

Amujale:
Furthermore, to regard African history as genuine, If it isn’t written, deliberated-upon or judged by Africans to be correct and accurate beyond reasonable doubt, such writings that fit into these category must, for now, simply be deemed inadmissible.

This is called Afrocentrism. An African centered perspective on "Objective' information, in order words a biased viewpoint of history.

Amujale:
That is to say, in a sense, most of the present Eurocentric and Asian discourse on African history will be deemed to be false and invalid.

The only true African history is that which is derived by an African(s), by default all other versions are false.

The discourse on European history is primarily exclusive to European writers.

The discourse on Asia’s history is primarily exclusive to Asian writers.

The discourse on Africa’s history is primarily badly concocted by European and Asian writers. This is where all of us (you and I) come in and repair the damage for the benefit of the next generations and our own overstanding.

A very nonsensical statement at the best.

So If an African sleeps with White person and produces a mixed race kid and in your paradigm you proclaim that child to be black, are you being objective or are you being Subjective?

Amujale:
African people circumnavigate the seas and oceans to discover the Americas thousands of years ago during the Olmec Xi civilisation. Modern day historians identify the Olmec with the Mandé people.

Afrocentric mythology. No DNA proof, no archealogical proof.

Amujale:
Whilst Africans are already well established, living in their glourious communities, the Red Indians walked the steps of Eurasia reaching the Americas on foot.

First they were eskimos, now they are red Indians. You people don start.

The Asians that crossed the bering straights did so about 6000-11,000 years ago. If they did meet any peoples in that regions the would have been at the best Melanesian peoples who crossed from islands in the pacific ocean to the Southern parts of America. These people are not African people any more so than Aboriginal peoples are African. They may have been dark skinned in complextion but phenotypically and genetically were not African peoples. Stop spreading Afro centric propaganda.

The evidence is in the DNA. two of the oldest human skeletons found in the new world dating back to 11,000 years ago but point to native American DNA clusters and 0 African DNA.

If you test any Aboriginal native American community today, you will not find a drop of African DNA in them that is contemporary to that of Africans that exist today.

Amujale:
The Red Indians met various African communities already present in the Americas, as did the Europeans that came later. We fed them, clothed them and taught them how to communicate with God.

Asians and not red Indians crossed the bering straights, Their complexions are a result of varying degrees of genetic adaptations and a retention of certain phenotypes that suite a specific climate.

Amujale:
And now they want to claim Native American without the proper proclamation of Africas great influence on the continent.

We are not downing Africa's contributions to civilizations but your theory is far fetched and folk tales. The evidence used to back it up is circumstantial at best. DNA will disprove this assertion every single time.

Rossikk:
Dude, you cannot force others to think like you. You already said you were ''not interested'' in this thread, and now you are back here again, talking about ''we don't...''. You only speak for yourself and nobody else. Keep away and stay away. Let those with interest in this discuss.

Like I said the average Nigerian is not interested in how you connect ancient Hebrew scripture and so called Israelites with the journey or diaspora of Africans across the world.

The correlation is dubious and is spouted again by Afrocentric thinking dating back to the 1940's. Psychologically oppressed people concerned with linking their identity to Ancient Egypt and biblical allegory and creating a new paradigm in the new world.

These considerations have never been African-centered because we are more concerned with our current traditions and Pantheons who "may be" linked to Ancient Egyptian/Kemetic science originating from the concepts of MAAT and the medu Neter but does not prove we originate specifically from that region.

The scriptures taken from the "Hebrew bible" that seem to link these Diasporan Africans is a diabolical attempt at usurping a history of an ancient people who were most likely Phonecians/cananites who borrowed their concept of deities and religion from ancient Egypt itself.

West African slaves taken to the new world are what they are West African. They are not Hebrew Israelites and will never be.

Those people are dead. What ever remnants of them live in the DNA of many peoples across the continent.

READ!

Johncables402:
[s]You are a slave Afonja, deal with that truth. An Afonja has no balls to confront anything let alone his superiors the Igbos race and whites. When we get Biafra , you lazy idiots will be treated worse that zulus at our borders . Rubbish charcoal face .[/s]

You are simply blowing hot air out of your mouth. Go and pick up ammunition and fight for your Biafra. Oops, you already did that once didn't you?

Nurse, 500cc's of Haloperidol!!!!!

Johncables402:
Igbos and whites run South Africa you fool. No matter what you afonjas and your Zulu friends say , we have pure Jewish blood and we rule the world.

Yaba left!

jln115:
[s]- maybe if I did contextualise it, it would make sense but I'm a man of logic.... And logically you have not debated with a 1000 Afrikaners...... I would even hatch a guess that the number of Afrikaners you've debated are not even 1% of your "contextualised" claim.[/s]

Not worth a response at this point.

jln115:
- Well since you can't even spell the Surnames right and the fact that I've personally never met an Afrikaner with the surname La Platts it certainly doesn't bode well for your claim. Also for someone who's been on nairaland for 10 years you should at least be able to name the few so called Afrikaners by their moniker.

I could easily have ran through the end credits of 7 de laan and easily posted a bunch of Afrikaaner surnames here with Dutch and French ancestry but again that wasn't the point. You are however a stubborn Afrikaaner so the point would obviously fly over you head.

jln115:
Congrats bro........... Must I also now list my life achievements? Secondly don't know where the fvck Rodenbosch is...... I'm only aware of Rondebosch, also there is no University named Rondebosch but since I'm guessing you meant UCT I'll let it slide, and FYI UJ and UCT aren't exactly Afrikaans........ So your "Many" Afrikaners are certainly not coming from those campuses.

Again point flies over his head. So the people I have encountered in S. Africa are only "Afrikaaners" eh. I did mention a whole bunch of other peoples in the earlier statement but you deliberately ignore that part eh.

PS. Yes UCT is in Rondebosh.

jln115:
Litterally the irony in these two comments

I don't see the irony. I do however understand the reclusive and stubborn nature of the Afrikaaner.

jln115:
It doesn't matter whether you are of the opinion that Afrikaners are African or not or whether the Afrikaners concept of "African-Ness" is on par with that of the rest of you....... ITS THE FACT that You said Afrikaners do not view themselves as African but rather view themselves as European is the assertion I as an Afrikaner am telling you is false.

Strawman argument. " You have to point me to where I specifically said, " Afrikaners" in particular do not view themselves as African but rather as European". You are playing semantics now so you can bolster your argument.

Are Afrikaners the only White community in South Africa?

Do I actually say "Afrikaners do not view themselves as African" or do I say "W. South Africans identify with their nationality more so than they identify as African"?

jln115:
Provided evidencial points??...... Really? Through out this entire debate I've been the only one that has provided published articles to prove my claims....... You haven't even referenced your own book sources you've mentioned..... Even though I've made it easy for you and asked you to just reference a single point with regards to blood river.

"blood river" is a red herring on your part. My mentioning of the event again only points to the fact that they are mentioned in the book I referenced. They have nothing to do with the argument. The below points are however relevant points:

The genetic evidence points to the Afrikaaner as non African.

Linguistics evidence points to the Afrikaaner as non African.

The historical evidence in terms of religious affiliation, political affiliation, culture, way of life, points to the fact that the Afrikaner have always been aligned with their "European" kindred.

jln115:
So what you're telling me is that You brought up the whole book/ historical narrative comparison that has nothing to do with our original debate.. ..... Yet I'm red herring?? Cool story bro!

Yes, that's what I am saying. They are simply mentioned as commentary regarding books that I suggested people read for a better knowledge of Afrikaner history.

jln115:
Actually it's quite the opposite obviously according to you I've been taught a contrasting history with regards to my heritage vs what's written in Walkers book...... Now I'll ask you again to reference the parts in Walkers book that contrasts what I've been taught, read and researched.

Strawman argument tactics. I never said you were taught a "contrasting" history. I don't know what type of history they taught you growing up. What I did say was that several accounts concerning South African history "in general" narrated in Walker's books contrasted other books I have read concerning South African history. They contrast in the style and approach of the subject matter in that Walker's books were ever so more blunt and less sugar coated.

I have repeated this several times to you but like the stubborn Afrikaner that you are, of course the Nigerian can't tell you otherwise.

jln115:
You're original assertion: Afrikaners don't consider themselves African but rather European.

Me as an Afrikaner living in an Afrikaner community, surrounded by Afrikaners 24/7, interacting with Afrikaners of all walks of life, going to church with Afrikaners, talking Afrikaans ect ect..............is in fact less qualified than some Nigerian on nairaland with a few life highlights, on what the general view is by the Afrikaner community?? This is what you're saying?

The "assertion" is as follows "White South Africans do not identify as African. They identify more so on a nationalistic level compared to other Africans who use their national designation and "African" interchangeably.

The second consideration in particular concerning the "Afrikaaner community" who are a subset of the "White South African community" would be that judging from historical, genetic. linguistic and religious evidence, the Afrikaaner "cannot" be African in the sense that it is used by other Africans.

You would have to point to where I explicitly state that "Afrikaners "DO NOT SEE" themselves as African". This is a strawman tactic and a red herring.

SMH. You simply at this point want to argue for argument sake. Its getting stale.

Johncables402:
Truth hurts fool.

What truth, your aim was to derail this thread so you can come and spew your Biafra propaganda because they must have deported your cousin Emeka for selling wee wee in Yeoville and now you don't have anymore foreign exchange earnings to build your store in Aba market.

Johncables402:
Insult me all you want Afonja, Igbos will still remain your worst nightmare like the boeres are to the charcoals in south Africa. We remain the backbone of Nigeria's industries, entertainment, sports , international recognition and business. You are nothing but a Hausa slave . Idiot .

Yaba left is waiting for you.

IGBO KWENU!

Johncables402:
Afonja they will not spare you , to them there is no Igbo just Nigerians .

Zulus are as lazy and ugly and you Hausas and afonjas always wanting to reap where they did not sow. Those charcoals Zulus arrived after the whites had built the Capes to look like heaven only to arrive murder the poor whites driving them to flee to other parts of the country again they settled there and build better cities and the charcoals again started following to cause trouble and steal, that is when the whites decided they had no choice but to start apartheid to kill the dirty dark skin niggas .

Why practice xenophobia if they are not hateful of our success ? . Like they did with whites , they do it with innocent Igbos too. Zulus hate progress, Soweto is the only place that looks ok where Zulus live , and it is because it was built by whites and maintained by them , the other places are like Zulus themselves . Rubbish.

you haven't taken your daily shot of Haloperidol today have you. NURSE!

Rossikk:
In other words, you are too lazy and dumb to research anything, and just wish everyone would go away with all this new information that challenges the way you've been conditioned to see the world.

No we don't want to debate crazy ideologies from Dr Yorks Nuwabian BS to the new MOors, to THE FOI/NOI to the GOCC to the new Hebrew Israelite jibberish we are already familiar with.

You are not presenting anything new that has not be witnessed before nor do we wanna waste time trying to convince you otherwise.

A brother by the name of Polight on youtube has already debunked a lot of this jibberish.

Shalom!

Johncables402:
Some Nigerians give us bad image out there , but most of the news from South Africa is lies told by lazy Zulus trying to lie about hardworking Nigerians. You must be one of the whites with low self esteem not to see that Zulus have destroyed the country. Be honest , if you had to replace the dirty Zulus with Nigerian Igbos wouldn't South Africa be the country the whites wanted it to be before Mandela destroyed it ?

Yes its only the Zulu tribe that live in South Africa. You must get your news from Radio Biafra. So RUSTENBERG, PRETORIA, MPUMALANGA is in Zulu territory abi?

You are an IDIOT!

Go back to Aba and please continue selling your fake Gucci

Johncables402:
Afonja you think by siding with xenophobes they will spare you when they start hating Nigeria again? .

You see how stupid you sound, I don't live in SA so how will they spare me. Like I said, keep exposing your stupidity on here for all to see.

Johncables402:
Yes Igbos have a way higher IQ than both afonjas and Abokis combined, that is why biafra will be like South Africa before the Zulus arrived and messed up everything the good whites worked for. Afonjas can remain the slaves to their Northern masters for all i care. Idiot.

Again exposing your village mentality here.

When did the Zulu's arrive.?

Was South Africa even a country when they arrived?

After they arrived what changed in South Africa?

You do know that Xenophobia is practiced all across major cities in South Africa of the which the Zulu are a minority right?

Go back to Aba and continue selling your fake Gucci bags, that's the best you can do for yourself.


PS there are over 150 tribes in Nigeria from Nupe, berom, to igala, idoma, efik, ibibio, kalabari, itshekiri, Benin, Ishan, Tiv, Ijaw, Kanuri etc and this Idiot thinks that I am Afonja.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

Johncables402:
You are an idiot. What did whites do to you . Is it not the Zulus who are our enemies here , why are you picking on people who have nothing against Nigeria and Nigerians?. You Afonjas are something else.

Judging from your responses it is safe to assume your IQ level is below 80 if it is that high at all. This is unusual for people from the eastern part of Nigeria as I know Imo state still has some of the highest cut off marks in the country.

You must have been one of those from the the adjourning eastern states that claimed local government from the east to pass common entrance.

Will you vamoose from here and allow grown people discuss serious things!

kemptonpost:
Maimane is the greatest darkie there is in south Africa, he understands politics , economics and better yet he is not divicise like the ungreatful black middle class who are acting worse than the poor in playing the victim card .

White privileged propaganda, the more reason we need Julius in this debate.

kemptonpost:
No one is steering up anything here , immigrants are good workers , they don't complain about long hours and salaries like the entitled local crew . They understand what jobs are for . Immigrants are also not violent, you are much safer as their boss than you are around the Malemas running around without any discipline or home training .

you are just talking for the sake of it now but I understand you need a platform to vent.

OyinbowithaTan:
The real estate collapse in the USA was 100% based not of the free market but of government backed loans. Same deal with government loans for university tuition. The reason why college costs so much is because of easy access to tuition loans.

Stop it. You act as if the invisible hand of the free market works in perfection. So the speculators, need to maximize profits at "all costs" and the manipulation of the market has absolutely no bearing on the consequences of the collapse.

Give me a break!

jln115:
-They certainly don't compliment each other mate.... What you said is you mostly debate with non Afrikaans white South Africans. That certainly doest compliment your statement that you debate with “many" Afrikaners.

You deliberately ignore the statements when contextualized, so I will repeat it one last time. If you don't get it after that please move on or go back to school.

I have debated 1000 Afrikaners

I have debated 3000 White S.Africans of british ancestry.

I have debated many Afrikaners.

I have debated more white S. Africans of british ancestry than I have debated Afrikaners.

If the logic above in reference to complimentary statements above allude you then I don't know what else to say, its my word against yours at this point.

jln115:
- Not Hypothetically I can guarantee that you have not debated with "many"..... Just on nairaland alone there are less than a handful of Afrikaners... In fact I'm only aware of one on this forum and that's me!! There are however quite a lot of Non Afrikaner white SAn on this forum... Secondly besides nairaland there are very few other platforms in Nigeria and on the Internet where you could have debated with Afrikaners. There was a reason I asked you to name the Afrikaners you have debated with.... Since judging by you assertions on Afrikaners I as an Afrikaner myself can see you have not debated with "many"

This is the most stupid statement you have made so far, so all my debates must be on internet platforms and I must register all the Van Nierkes, coetzee's, La platts and everyone else's last name that appears on 7 de laan for me to prove interactions with Afrikaners. Quite nonsensical.

There is no chance that I have actually lived in different cities in South Africa.

There is no chance that I actually worked for a certain period of time, in cape town,Johannesburg, travelled through several countries as a UN attache since before the 2010 World cup, sat on panel discussions with the likes of Khaya Dlanga who I have known since 2007, interacted with small coloreds, Zulus, Xhosas communities spanning the length of cape town all the way to Port Elizabeth, currently have many friends and associates who are white south african historians of the afrikaner persuasion, students from Rodenbosh and UJ.

You really have some audacity my friend. I have been on Nairaland since 2007 that's over a decade covering South and Southern African issues, debated your kin folk on here who have identified as Afrikaner,white S. AFricans , Coloreds, Black south Africans. etc and you come here with your Afrikaner audacity because you are bruised at the assertion I made regarding your Africaness or what you perceive this to be. You have some nerve. This is why I detest debates with your ilk, you can never stay subjective.

jln115:
- I can't speak for Black Europeans.... I'm only speaking for Afrikaners, and I'm also not debating whether you think we are Africans or not.... What I am debating is your assertion that Afrikaners don't see themselves as African but rather a European extention.

This arguement is getting stale now because you have issues with comprehension for real. So you are assert my statement is false. We have enumerated reasons why even if "some" Afrikaners were to assert this which is not far fetched, the evidence presented shows they are not or their concept of "African-ness" is not on par or concurrent with the concept as shared amongst the rest of the continent.

We go through historical evidence, Genetic evidence, linguistic evidence, Religious evidence, and all this just flies out the window.

jln115:
- Absorb?? Maybe the few they didn't kill were taken in as slaves yes...... But under king Shaka the Zulus killed millions of fellow Black Africans of opposition tribes....

You are just reaching for straws now ,point me to the evidence that estimates "millions" died. I would like to peruse over this.

jln115:
- Again the expansion of the Boere in general terms was no different to any other expansion by African tribes.

I have enumerated evidencial points, your statement above is opinion but then again you are the typical stubborn Afrikaner type. How dare this Nigerian tell you off, eh?

jln115:
- yes I'm asking you for specifics since you made the original assertion.... Thus its up to you to prove your assertion as factual. Also John Matisons book has nothing to do with our debate since its focused on Apartheid SA..... I have no doubt that Walkers books would be in contrast with other historical narrative with regards with apartheid since there were many biased SAn historians that tried to justify the actions of the apartheid government.

The whole above book comparison really has nothing to do with the argument but again is a red herring on your part. You haven't read the book so we cannot continue to debate points of contrast can we?. You simple want to rehash your knowledge of Boer history to us here.

What I will say is that Matteson book picks ups from Apartheid era in South Africa and focuses on the media perspective of the political atmosphere but he does references many a subject matters with his point of view, which is discussed much more expansively in walker's books such as the broaderbond.

jln115:
However getting back to our original debate...I'll make this simple, you said one of the topics that was in contrast with other historical narratives was the battle of blood river.... What in Walkers book on the Battle of blood river was in contrast with most historical narratives.

This is not our original debate this is a red herring. You simply want to rehash or test my knowledge of Afrikaner history as a way of discrediting my initial assertion. I will not fall for that. I have repeated that there are several contrasting view points in walkers books versus other books I have read, I have given two books to contrast between and I have given a specific account.

You are basically red herring here.

OyinbowithaTan:
IDK what the monopoly laws are in SA. Buy yes of course corporations and their investors lobby politicians for favorable laws etc. In the freest sense capitalism is the mutual exchange of goods, services, money between 2 parties. As an example in the US decades ago phone companies were regulated like a quasi government controlled company. They were granted exclusive control over regions, like a utility. Therefore they were stagnant. You pay X amount for 1 or 2 landlines, even had to buy their phones, no explosion of technology. Then something happened. Electronic companies, using cassette machines, created machines where someone could leave a message if nobody answered a phone call.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Panasonic-Anrufbeantworter.jpg/360px-Panasonic-Anrufbeantworter.jpg
You could plug this into the phone line.
Even making a call 100 miles away was expensive. Now you call globally for free. The moral of the story is when government got out of the phone business there was an explosion of technology that rivaled the industrial age.

Capitalism 101. I get it it.

However when a corporate body is endowed with every political right as "person" or a "body" and can lobby this government for "favorable" laws which are designed to manipulate the system and maximize returns at the expense of the masses then the system is broke.


Take the debacle in the US in 2007 with CDO's_ collaterized debt obligations that were sold on the back of the ability of mortgage payment. The market speculates and inflates the prices homes, gives out loans to unqualified peoples to increase profits on that end, insurance companies also increase revenue as a result, speculators make money from all this false money being created. The signs that he bubble is about to burst is there but the "FREE HAND OF THE MARKET" rains supreme so please don't touch it MR. Government, the market will correct itself automatically.

Nope, it doesn't. Financial disaster. Speculators free to go, no jail terms. Banks bailed out with millions of tax payer dollars, The producers rewarding for putting everybody in this mess.

The home owners no bail out, no relief. They have to suck it up. They signed the dotted lines so hey that's capitalism for you. Meanwhile you can't recover because wages are stagnant and these lobbyist continue to influence laws that are supposed support such people.

In a capitalist system only producers are rewarded, the rest of us are serfs or slaves to "massa". Its slavery simply revised.

OyinbowithaTan:
There are NO wealthy Socialist countries. There almost no Socialist countries anymore period.

There are also countries in which the classic economic capitalist system in its purest tenants are not practiced or have been manipulated to serve a ruling class.

We have governments colluding with "Monopoly capital" to control that state and impose policies that continue to enrich and give privileges to a "special class" in society be that special class "white people" or "black cronies".

Your western version of this economic system has expired and needs to reformed to fit the peculiarities of the society you find yourself in.

The EFF's ideologies will continue to remain an integral component in resolving that dilemma, whether you like it or not.

kemptonpost:
Actually we would rather have the immigrants around . Immigrants don't demand anything , they work hard for everything and longer hours without toy -toy. Immigrants are respectful of authority unlike some entitled people groups here ..

This is a classic divide and conquer tactic used in capitalist system. So the immigrants are docile persons who will work for "massa" for under a living wage as house boys, dog walkers, construction worker, security guards, nannies etc.

Meanwhile the employer maximizes his benefits by employing cheap labor that is unfortunately abundant while steering up resentment and creating conflicts between those who seek greater upward wage mobility and those who are desperate to survive while earning less than a living wage.

Bravo my clever Buddy!

godlyguy:
Where's your proof?

Proof of what?

kemptonpost:
You don't know what you are talking about buddy. Your Malema lives in Sandton, wears designer clothes and drives around in style.

so the point here is if he lives in these areas therefore he cannot advocate for the poor class. Maybe he understands their plights because he comes from such beginnings more so than most Whites do, don't you think?

kemptonpost:
You think he cares about the poor? . You think it's the DA that made the blacks poor?.

The DA didn't create poverty however it is not doing much to eliminate it. The Hout bay, Bo kaap communities that live close to the cities are systematically being gentrified, yet the DA is there having meetings about how to come to a compromise when we all know that big developers have the party pretty much in their pockets.

The DA is the protector of the status quo and "white monopoly capital". They indirectly are not lifting anyone out of poverty in the western cape. They are selling the place to the highest bidder.

kemptonpost:
How about you look inside the party that they have been voting for for years? . Is the ANC not the one looting and stealing, remember shower bouy?. Yeah , let's blame the whites for this too.

In my opinion the ANC is as corrupt as the Nationalist "White" party. The DA consists of "remnants" of opposition parties to the Nationalist party that coalesced into one party and continue to protect the inherited "White priviledge" and ill gotten wealth that exists in the name of Capitalism. They are trying to be inclusive but do not articulate their agenda convincingly enough to turn the tide in SA politics. I pity Maimane.

kemptonpost:
This is an open forum buddy, and next time qoute your opponent .

This is the reason "PS" was written to indicate an addendum to the original write up, Buddy!

kemptonpost:
Unfortunately we have a big for nothing population that wants freebies and other people's properties without having worked a day in their lives , that is why you see the criminal organisation still leading us and fraudsters like the EFF growing in numbers . One would have thought the so called black middle class would throw their numbers behind a saner party that promotes peace , quality of life , jobs and prosperity , but No! They would rather promote racism , division and hatred and blame the whitties for their problems. It's hard to see this country ever getting back it's former glory with so many people voting against progress and unity
To answer your question , the beggers voted for the ANC but patriots voted for progressive parties , unfortunately There are less of us and more of them . They clearly want another African poohole. Viva Africa !.

My question regarding any voting activity was directed specifically at my debate opponent for a specific reason, again if you wish to vent, or discuss the ills of socialist thinking there's another topic regarding SA elections. This comment would be more appropriate there so do yourself a favor and repost.

kemptonpost:
They can never own up to their issues, it's always the White people or the Arabs, and now the Asians . Africans are always the victims of everyone, no sense of accountability or responsibility whatsoever. There is no one who hates Africans more than Africans lol.

This statement is out of complete context regarding this topic but I understand you are looking for a platform to vent.

You have to be specific with what you mean by the above statement relative to this topic and we can take it point by point, otherwise start a new thread and wait for people to respond to your comment.

PS, How was voting this past Wednesday,

Did you vote ANC?

if Yes, Why?


If not Why and who did you vote for and Why?