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dadexcel:
Well thought out responses ....however in terms of secular organizations, heirachial corruption most times leads to demotion of the heirschy if they are found guilty and does not result to the closing of the organization .

So if found guilty this Pastor must be purged from the organization, no space for we will rehabilitate him and if they chose to do so it must be behind closed doors with no possibility of stepping into path of leadership for a serious period of time. If however there are attempts to sweep this under the rug or play to time or the attention span of people's anger then the organization deserves to be dissolved or deconstructed

dadexcel:
Secondly, for the family the children can shield their mother from the crimes if their father, they can even go as far as disown their father because of his crimes but they cannot abandon the family because the head is guilty of a crime .

The family structure is already broken if they take any actions that change the dynamics of the present state. A reconstruction is necessary to salvage any part of the family unit that requires being salvaged. It is important that this is done. Again you can exit this nucleus if you deem it contrary to the higher standards of morality. I don't see a contradiction there.

dadexcel:
As for the church, No single individual owns a true Christian church ...God does , hence the reason we go there is to worship GOD...if at some point certain ministers and messengers of God are found guilty of crimes , the congregation through the church elders, or leaders are to investigate , and take decisive steps towards discipline .

I am in agreement but this is not the case in Nigeria if we are to be honest. Pastors in Nigeria are close to guru's because the culture continues to encourage '"savior like" people who are shielded when they are exposed and this culture must stop.

dadexcel:
In response to this I have few questions: if the response to rot in an "organization " as you out us is to dissolve or destroy the organization, then I ask these questions;

1. Should the entire staff of a circler organization design because the top management are found guilty of corruption?

1.I am assuming you meant "secular" in the statement above for clarity purposes.

2.It depends on the adherence to the moral compass of the individual. I would personally resign and not be associated with an organization that is deemed to be corrupt as this would compromise my own morality and would further possibly damage my reputation going forward if I were to move to another reputable organization and would possibly want to take up a leadership position.

dadexcel:
2. Should the members of a family quit being so because their father became promiscuous or even beats their mother ?

1.They should protect their mother from any further consequences of such a character by either advising her to separate from that situation, seek counseling or cause adverse consequences on the perpetrator of the heinous act.

2. They should exit that nucleus if they believe that atmosphere will cause damage to their psyche or psychology. Yes!

dadexcel:
3. Should members of a social club, an association, a community etc quit the unit because the hierarchy were found guilty of crime or corruption ?

Yes, they should have the prerogative to exit that organization and look for one that exhibits higher values.

dadexcel:
If these people will not quite for these reasons simply because their loyalty is mostly to the principles that that guides the organizations rather than the figure heads , then true worshippers should not gsng up to pull down a church or destroy the congregation of true Worshippers simply because the hierarchy were involved in crime. Instead , the membership of these bodies can either sanction the offenders , expel them or discipline them because the organization just like the body if Christ is bigger than any individual....my submission though

There will always be people who perceive loyalty as a higher moral value than justice even though the reverse should be the case so you will have people that will stick around for this sake but know that in terms of the higher moral path they have chosen the lesser.

dadexcel:
......your point is noted , however it is important to note that starting from the Catholic pope, to the Pentecostal overseers, and the Jewish rabbi etc, these men are representatives of Christ who us the head of the church...and again they all we mortals subject to sane temptations and trials we all encounter on daily bases ..and sometimes are well prone to fall sometimes too...a good understanding of these facts and the fact that even the other denomination you are running to still have their challenges will make us know that wirship of God is the main reason we should attend religious gatherings ...men are mere instruments God uses to reach to His people ...

A consequence for not living up to moral standards in an organization should be the dissolution or destruction of that organization so that others are deterred against not adhering to a higher standard of morality. It is not helpful to me or anyone to point out the flaws of men as an excuse of not forcing these organizations to live up to the standards they expect from their own followers

If a culture continues to accept the flaw of a high tempered man in beating his wife, subsequently damaging the psychology of his children and subjecting them to imbibe or repeat such acts in a continuous unbroken cycle of hypocrisy for THE SAKE of upholding the family unit, that culture will eventually rot.

dadexcel:
I am a member of a Christian denomination, are you saying if the earthly head of the church who by the way is a mere mortal only operating by God's grace falls into adultery for instance, then I should leave the church ?

True worship of God should transcend that my brother.

You should leave that organization if there are cover ups and obvious knowledge of such heinous acts, however your faith as usual will blind you to the reality that the organization has been compromised and even if you stay you compromise your own morals as well.

God is assumed to be omnipresent. If you leave the church you will find him elsewhere, no?

alphaNomega:
After a forensic analysis, nothing can be more true...
Facts are as follows.

[s]1. Pst Biodun did not violently r@pe Busola. He manupulated her into agreeing to open her legs after being romantic with her.
2. Busola was a virgin prior to her experience with Biodun
3. They had multiple consentual s3x as at then
4. She fell madly in love with him as at then
5. He broke her heart as a result of a promise he couldnt fulfill. Maybe she expected him to throw his wife and marry her later on I cant say what that was its between both of them.
6. She became promiscuous due to the emotional trauma Biodun placed on her at an early age.
7. She left a trail of whoredom before she met Timi.
8. They started having crisis in marriage. Timi made her talk
9. Looking back at her life over the years, and how messed up it had been, she connected the dots back to Biodun blaming him for her misery
10. she then came up with the rape story because she felt that consentual sex at that age was still rape(she didnt know at that time tho)
11. shes a pained woman living in regrets of how she ruined her youth and blames Biodun for her mysery
12. She want to see him suffer thats the only way she feels she would heal..

"Hell hath no fury than a scorned woman"[/s]

Pure conjecture, no evidence circumstantial or even substantive to even consider the trash above. What should be considered are

1. The event of her brother attempting to kill the Pastor when he heard of the tale. Can this story be corroborated?

2. The witnesses involved when the brother attempted to kill the Pastor, Can these witnesses corroborate the story?

3. The event that took place when an additional Pastor, then minister interceding on behalf of the accused when he visited Busola at her her house with the accused. Can this be substantiated.

alphaNomega:
[s]Everyone who has lived a promiscuous life will always try to escape the shame by blaming someone else. She already had in it her to be able to knack the guy on a car bonnet.

We know them. Spoilt adventurous brats. Her sister too was the same and Biodun chopped that one too.

I have seen this exact thing happen to a couple before and they did blame someone else after the husband found out after 10 years that he married an ex runz girl.The man was furious and was pushing the wife to help him file charges against the accused figure. We advised him against it because of the revelations we knew witnesses will bring which his did not know about.

After all the drama they still went their separate ways. The Dakolo guy is in something bigger than he can handle and his wife will never tell him the truth

Guys like Dakolo who place themselves at the top level in terms of moral values never recover when they stupidly start digging up their wife's past. After the anger with Biodun ends it will refocus on the wife.


Biodun 15 years ago was a young boy like Busola with both their hormones raging. The Timi guy is a disgrace to manhood. You dig up your wife's whoring history and she easily manipulated you with the most basic lie that comes naturally to a girl cheesy cheesy "I was raped when I was 15" " I lost my virginity while riding a bicycle" That babe will wake up at night, go to the bathroom open Twitter and have a good laugh at how dumb the world is. I'm starting to like her now sef

Look at this way, fine clean boy Pastor with women throwing themselves at you. His mission was none other than CHOP ONE CHOP ALL. Let's not judge him by who he is now. Times were different in Nigeria then and clearly did not rape her.

He chopped her and the sister and still chopped her again after Dakolo came into the picture. He has a right to be angry. The pastor made an error of judgement and so did the spoilt brat.

THE BIGGEST TRUTH OF IT IS THAT THE DAKOLOS ARE PAINED THAT BIODUN MOVED AHEAD TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL. IF HE WERE A POOR FARMER OR TRUCK PUSHER MRS DAKOLO WOULD HAVE HEALED YEARS AGO. THIS BEHAVIOUR OF BITTERNESS HAS REPEATED ITSELF SO MANY TIMES IN HISTORY. I AM NOT SAYING BIODUN IS CLEAN..NO HE IS SOILED TOO. BUT BUSOLA IS PAINTING HIM FAR DARKER THAN HE IS.[/s]

More conjecture and utter rubbish. The facts remain

1. The event of her brother attempting to kill the Pastor when he heard of the tale. Can this story be corroborated?

2. The witnesses involved when the brother attempted to kill the Pastor, Can these witnesses corroborate the story?

3. The event that took place when an additional Pastor, then minister interceding on behalf of the accused when he visited Busola at her her house with the accused. Can this be substantiated.

sammhi:
I don't t think he is innocent but I also don't believe she was raped ...it was a relationship gone sour . Fatoyinbo already is notorious with women ..( like most hypocrites condemning him ) and she and her husband decided to use the weapon they have on him for their secret best known to the 3 of them . There is clearly more to it than her story ....
All I see is Timi vs Fatoyinbo fight...simple .

So The brother she mentioned who took a knife to come kill the Pastor cannot corroborate that story or he must be in on the conspiracy too?

So the other Pastor she mentioned in the story who interceded for Mr. Biodun who went to her house to plead the Pastor's case cannot corroborate her story abi?

So the event that took place at her house where the pastor visited her to plead with her that it was the devil cannot be substantiated or corroborated by everyone that was present.

Religious people are usually void of sound logic

dadexcel:
SMH....all these do called celebrities and their gullible and unserious followers ...you leave a church because the pastor was accused of a crime as if the pastor owns the church or you have been going there all these while to worship the pastor....why not change your nationality as a Nigerian because buhari is alleged to have an organization or fulanization agenda....jokers ! and attention seekers

The church is stinking because it is without a doubt that the organization was most likely aware of some of his heinous acts and did not call him to order until he was exposed. Good enough reason to leave such an organization.

You can worship God in your living room.

Niorte:
Ali Baba is a mad man. So pastors should start condemning pastor Biodun when they have not carried out thorough investigation.

It is actually a big joke to know that Ali Baba the respected king of comedy in Nigeria LACKS sound judgement and reasoning.

What happens to patience and fair hearing? Ali Baba, you are simply mad. It is as if that weed that your younger brother used to smoke is also worrying you.

We don't even need court proceeding here. There were several witnesses to the aftermath when this heinous act took place. Busola's brother who attempted to kill the pastor, the other Pastor who engaged Busola and her brother and the event that took place at her house in which the bastard Pastor pleaded to be forgiven and they simply have to corroborate the story and the circumstantial evidence would be overwhelming in the court of public opinion.

juvewalex:
Attention seekers everywhere, quitting the church should be between you and God ,what if the pastor comes out to be innocent after detailed investigations ?Busola is yet to present any evidence yet before police for arrest before we can even mention court ,I frown at rape case though...

Yes because her brother who confronted the Pastor can't corroborate the story.

Yes because the Pastor that followed them back to Busola's house to plead the case can't corroborate the story.

Yes because the bastard Pastor who confessed in front to numerous people didn't implicate himself when he did that.

Blind religious madness.

ebuka10box:
Rape is bad but y bring it out now after many years ..... I don't stand with pastor fatoyinbo cause he has got flesh like me and he has got dick erection too neither do I stand with busola...if fatoyinbo is guilty , he should be forgiven cause we all have raped one another in life , even life itself rapes us at times.....

You are mental. I hope they rape your own daughter like that then after that you can ask God to forgive the perpetrator.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

So much for the great Africanist.


YouTube videos are your savior.

When you are ready to debate come get me.

I am right here.

Amujale


Can you point to the African in the pic below. Please do not dodge this question.

If you point to the African, tell us why you chose that particular pic as an African person.

Once you address this issue we can move forward with all the points you have enumerated.

IF you don't answer it will be deemed that you are afraid to move this discussion along.

Amujale:
Here is morpheus24 source:

Grabianowski, Ed. "How Human Migration Works." Dec. 27, 2007. (May 1, 2009)https://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution/human-migration.htm

Defeated argument.

From way back in early 2009 their hypothesis was comprehensively defeated by Dr Hendrik Clarke and Professor Martin Bernal in what is popularly chastised as “The Great Debate”.

you are just dropping names here now Dr Hendrick Clarke is a historian and not an anthropologist or geneticist. He made no comments that I have come across that have to do with the origins of man in the Americas.

Amujale:
Below is an extract of the above link:


“The Out of Africa (OoA) or African Replacement Hypothesis is a well-supported theory that argues that every living human being is descended from a small group of Homo sapiens (abbreviated Hss) individuals in Africa, who then dispersed into the wider world meeting and displacing earlier forms such as Neanderthals and Denisovans.

Early major proponents of this theory were led by British paleontologist Chris Stringer and in direct opposition to scholars supporting the multiregional hypothesis, who argued that Hss evolved several times from Homo erectus in several regions”

An hypothesis, a Eurocentric speculation.

A total lack of understanding.

A broken-biscuit and widely UnAfrican view of the world in every way shape or form.

The lack of the ability to admit the simple truth.

Olodo. This same theory is what Sertima, Barton and Anta diop use, the only difference is Sertima believed that humans from Africa sailed to the new world when in fact the original inhabitants of that continent only could have come from Melenasia or the bering strait crossing.

You did not refute the above info you simply said it was wrong.

What makes it incorrect

Why is it wrong

If the eurocentrics say this , what do the Africanist say about this.

Refute, stop making blank statements

OLODO!

Olodo!

Amujale:
You clearly have been brainwashed to hate yourself beyond recognition.

I say you are wrong, the links you have posted are wrong and their arguments are based on flawed concepts as the ones highlighted above.

You say they are wrong yet you can't tell us why they are wrong.

Its like a Yoruba man telling us he doesn't like isi ewu but when you ask him haba why don't you like it he can't tell you why.

Olodo!

Amujale:
Below is the content of the above link:

“If you look hard enough, you'll find any number of theories about just where human beings originated -- and who knows? Maybe we really were banished from a Mesopotamian Garden of Eden, or we really did stumble out of a crashed spaceship. The prevailing theory among scientists, however, is that the first Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and, between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago, migrated into other lands.

'Some anthropologists actually refer to this theory as the out of Africa II theory, as it involves a previous African exodus by tribes of Homo erectus, followed by the scattering of H. sapiens that eventually became human civilization. This wave of migration steadily washed over the entire world for tens of thousands of years. The pockets of primitive hominids, such as Neanderthals, eventually disappeared. Perhaps they weren't able to compete with H. sapiens for limited resources or weren't as capable of adapting to survive the constant rigors of a prehistoric Earth. To learn more, read How Human Migration Works.”

An hypothesis, a Eurocentric speculation.

A total lack of understanding.

A broken-biscuit and widely UnAfrican view of the world in every way shape or form.

The lack of the ability to admit the simple truth.

Olodo! Let me break down what that means since all you did was jabber about broken biscuits.


"If you look hard enough, you'll find any number of theories about just where human beings originated -- and who knows? Maybe we really were banished from a Mesopotamian Garden of Eden, or we really did stumble out of a crashed spaceship."

The author is referring here to the biblical narrative and the narratives of some who believe that aliens dropped their genetic code on this planet. Two of which are non scientific theories.

'The prevailing theory among scientists, however, is that the first Homo sapiens evolved in Africa and, between 56,000 and 200,000 years ago, migrated into other lands.'

The author here states what is widely held amongst all anthropologists including Sertima and Anta Diop as the time frame that Homo sapiens left Africa. Sertima simple designates them as Black/African people.


Some anthropologists actually refer to this theory as the out of Africa II theory, as it involves a previous African exodus by tribes of Homo erectus, followed by the scattering of H. sapiens that eventually became human civilization. This wave of migration steadily washed over the entire world for tens of thousands of years. The pockets of primitive hominids, such as Neanderthals, eventually disappeared. Perhaps they weren't able to compete with H. sapiens for limited resources or weren't as capable of adapting to survive the constant rigors of a prehistoric Earth. To learn more, read How Human Migration Works.”

What this states is that their was another hominid species Homo erectus or upright man were the first wave of archaic humans to populate the globe, some of them evolved into Homo Neaderthalensis and the others in Denisovans as opposed to Homo sapien- wise/intelligent man who evolved in Africa.

Homo sapien spread across the continents displacing the other homo species and absorbing some of their DNA in the process through interbreeding but the other species eventually are wiped out during this exodus and live only in the gene sequencing of non African peoples.

This idea is also shared by Cheik anta diop and Sertima as well.

You are an Olodo rapata!

Morphues contention 1; Africans left the continent at least 100,000 to 150,000 yeas ago following possibly two paths. DNA evidence points to the population dispersals by tracking back mitochrondial DNA back to Africa with the oldest link residing in the Khoi people of Southern Africa L0


https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/africa-cradle-humanity1.htm

https://www.thoughtco.com/out-of-africa-hypothesis-172030

Amujale:
You are a vile and senseless Eurocentric bigot that cannot read nor understand written text properly.

Its either you post your argument with the relevant sources and authors or you can STFU and stop trolling the thred.

You think you are slick here.

What do you mean by post your argument?

Amujale's contention:
Africans populated the world 50 million years ago - no evidence shown

Africans populated the entire world - no time frame given.

Africans populated the Americas - evidence given Sertima video, video of Jamaican talking about Caribs, Book by Barton and a bust of Luzia showing African features and a bunch of European authors you cut and pasted from the internet that have nothing to do with your argument.


Morpheus contention;

The ancestors of Africans populated the world 100,000- 150,000 years ago

These first ancestors experienced genetic mutations, genetic drift and a recombination of other Humans that existed outside of Africa ie. Neanderthal and Denisovan

Africans did not populate the Americas. The bering straits brought at least two waves of immigrants to the Americas pre-Columbus. Genetic evidence with sources posted on Native American DNA studies pointing to haplogroups that tie to Asian populations

The bust of Luzia was done in 1990 where the cranio structure was thought to be that of a negroid/Melanasian but genetic tests on the the fossil of Luzia shows it clusters with that of Native Americans/Ameriindians from the first wave of Asians that came into America. Source was given.

Olodo!

Amujale:
You have no argument.

Disagreeing with pan Africanist isnt a real argument.

Show us your arguments, quote your sources and authors.

See what I mean, he completely ignored where I asked him to answer the question that was stated and throws an empty response back at me.

Answer the question Amujale and lets continue and you will see for yourself where this leads you. We have to establish you stance first since you say Africans populated all the continents. You will have to explain to us how and when and also when they reached the Americas, but you won't asnwer because you are afraid that it will expose your olodoness!

Let me make it easier for you.

Is this person below an African, if so why?

Amujale:
Ask the dunce called morpheus24 to post his argument and relevant authors and their sources.

If you didn't click on any of the links I posted then you my friend are the duance.

The only two things you have posted here continuously are Afrocentric youtube videos, A book by Barton and a list of European scientist you cut and paste from the internet of which you don't even recognize that these authors you post actually further my point on genetics.

Olodo!

Amujale:
I think morpheus24 is a braind dead trouble maker that cannot realise when he is wrong.

Check out his response.


Its evident that he has no argument, no sense, is avbigot that cannot read nor understand written text properly, has been proven to be partialy blind and is completely and utterly deaf.

It is evident that you cannot rebut any argument that has been put forward and simply go around in circles. You do not want to admit that you don't understand any information that is being posted so you hide behind your ignorance by digressing away and talking about nonsense.

Please answer the question. Can you pick the African from the pics below. When you pick please tell us why you picked that particular one. If you picked more than one, tell us why.

In fact I challenge anyone to pick the African from the pick below!

This will move my point along as regards the subject matter posted on this thread, but alas YOU ARE AFRIAD to even try to answer it because you know you will be caught out.

Amujale:
And finally you have shown to me and everyone else
that you are a dunce, liar, faker and bigot.

How has ethnicity got involved now.

The dullard doesn't understand the Analogy that was used. Do you want me to explain what an "analogy" is so you understand its use,

Olodo!

Go back to school. You have been exposed here, trying to pass yourself off as a sensible person. You are now afraid and are crying leave me alone because you have nothing left to rebut.

I have the right to counter any information you post on this forum, that is what the forum was made for and that is what I will continue to do.

You are free to ignore whatever it is I rebut. That is your prerogative.

Shikena!

mysticwarrior:
Isn't it time you guys end this your prolonged war?
Everybody has left this tread for you guys, pls it is time for truce.

Amujale is a dodo head who lies a lot when he cannot wiggle himself out a corner.

No truce.

Amujale:
DNA isn’t an absolute science as such can be used to further a biased view on African history.

You just said nothing again above.

Point to any measurable phenomena that can be quoted to true absolute terms however 99.99999999% fact is a good enough measure for anything.

You are an Olodo!

Amujale:
Genetical science, or DNA studies to be specific isn’t the “be all and end all”; and certainly cannot be used exclusively to determine history.

To determine World history, academics use a multiple of disciplines including the sciences.

You have said nothing again above just running from pillar to post.

All disciplines are put together to reconstruct history however there are certain disciplines that are "MORE ACCURATE" that others. Anthropology can hypothesize that a certain people lived in a certain area at a given period of time. Carbon dating/archealogy determines more definitively an estimate of the time frame they lived there. Genetic evidence gives a better definitive answer of who actually lived there.


You are a village Olodo who watches YouTube videos all day. Hit the books.

Amujale:
In my post here, I have been able to prove beyond doubt that the Eurocentric view on African history is false and vile.

What is the proof you have provided, YouTube videos from Afrocentrics.

Olodo!

Amujale:
The only true African history is the ones determined by African(s) by default all other versions are false and invalid.

That's like saying if a Yoruba man claims that his version of Okro soup is the best tasting in the entire world and an Igbo man eats it and says no then the Igbo man is utterly and completely false in his assertion.

Olodo!

Go back to school.

Amujale:
Stop quoting me, our discussion is a waste of time.

This is the only truth you have told so far

Amujale:
You claim Diop isn’t a scientist and makes no mention of genetics.

You are wrong as usual.

Cheikh anta diop is an anthropologist, if you want an African scientist who is specialized in genetics.,Somarta Keita or S.O.Y Keita is your man but you don't know these things do you.

Olodo!

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Amujale:
Go away, I don’t have time for liars and fakers
To ba fe ki Lakaye fi eje re we, then you will continue to quote me unnecessarily.

Oponu Ayirada

Se emi ni mo mo ba you ni?

You have shown to us all that you are a total waste of time, a disgrace to all the senses.

Village I.diot who lies about writing thesis on DNA. You have been exposed!

Amujale:
If you don’t understand my research then STFU instead of making yourself look the more stupid.

All your analysis of the above academics are completely and utterly wrong.

It isn’t hard to research.

That's the best answer you have been regurgitating over and over again. Shame no dey catch you, researcher ko, academic ni. You are a jobless fool that has been watching Afrocentric youtube videos for a long time.

Hit the books.

Can you at least try to answer my question below so we can move on.

Please point to the African below, if there are none, say none. If there is only one then identify them if they are all African please identify.

Amujale:
That isn’t uncommon, since the Nile Valley ,West Asian and Europe civilisations have been in direct communication since around 800 B.C.E.

What is not uncommon, did you even understand what I stated about e3b1b

Amujale:
Moreover, DNA isn’t meant as the “be all and end all”. Eurocentric’s and other non
-African scientist use it to further their delusions, similar to the ones that you peddle.

Yes this is why when a Nigerian has a child in Nigeria who he wants to sponsor to come to America the evil Eurocentrics ask him to do a "DNA" test to determine if the child he is filling for is truly his.

Olodo!

Amujale:
The only academics that use DNA testing to further the African narrative are African academics and pro-African scholars and academics.

I don't know what you are even saying here because you like to babble nonsense. So if the African narratives use this "DNA" to further African academics what was the outcome.

Olodo. I will expose your s.tu.p.idity here.

Amujale:
In the early 2000’s i wrote a whole thesis on DNA studies and how it can be used to “con” the general public. Years later, numerous sites pop out of the wood work, you only need to check the situation with sites similar to “ancestry.com”, these are mere guess works, nothing scientific about their methods.

You write thesis on DNA studies. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

You that don't even know what a haplogroup is or how polymorphism causes changes or mutations in the genes of people want to tell me here that you wrote a Thesis on DNA studies.

If you still have it please post here.

Olodo.

I will expose your s.tu.pidity here.

Amujale:
Tell us what your arguments are, quote your sources and their authors and let’s take it from there.

Jesus, this boy here is a duance

So the question I have been asking here since that I posted here does not give you a hint.

So all the journals that counter the narratives by sertima is not source

So the article in opposition of your Luzia is from Africa theory was not posted here.


Chai! Olodo cannot read o!

Amujale:
Since you have no argument but gibberish from being brain washed, you and your type go around attaching pan Africanist with Eurocentric views that have been found to be false and vile with regards to African History.

Olodo is trying to cover his ignorance by hiding behind pan Africanism. A pan African is someone who will not lie when facts are presented to him because he wished to push and agenda. He will always tell the truth.


HAHAHAHAHA!