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Though there are obvious fine qualities that came out of Ghandi's life the comments he made while in South Africa cannot be ignored and the Ghanians have the right and justifiable at that to choose not to keep his statue standing.

Ejebleje:
I wish you weren’t slow, you’ll have got your answer by merely reading the comments before mine

Shows how you have very little insight as to what is being proposed in South Africa versus what transpired in Zimbabwe.

Why don't you try me on issues concerning land redistribution in South Africa or southern African for that matter and let's expose my slowness to Nairaland. People like you just make sweeping statements against black people without realizing the complexities of the situation.

Please try me. I dare you!

Ejebleje:
Sadly, much of Southern Africa is as good as it appears because of her white settlers and indigenes. Can’t really say what’s wrong with the black race.

What has this got to do with redistributing stolen and seized lands

prolog2:
I am not interested in back and forths with you or anyone on nairaland. So this is my last reply to you, you can later on add a huge comment[pretending to prove whatever and then praise your ego for winning whatever. I am not playing a game contrary to you. In my book a historians is a guy who studied history in a credible University and wrote a PhD thesis on the subject. History is a science with it's logics and rules. I am not interested in définitions more or less from dictionaries, nor am I interested in non scientific semantics. Once again, your talk about the Bantu and linguists proves absolutely nothing since as I stated, linguists are not historians ! They can have a hypothesis, but still they aren't historians ! History is not based on language similarities, English speaking Indians didn't migrate to India from the UK. Now you can have your comment and be as disrespectful and condescending as you want, I have messaged you for the last time.

Point 1:I am not interested in what you are interested in or what you "consider" the definition of a historian. We are interested in factual information. EVIDENCE!

Point 2: History is not SOLEY based on language similarities but there is "evidence"( no longer a hypothesis) that Language similarities are an indicator of migratory patterns specifically within the context of the subject matter being discussed(Yoruba and Igbo confluences)and Africa at large.

Point 3: Don't bother replying. The information and articles contained in below are for people who are able to expand their knowledge base beyond self professed scientific definitions or ethno-centric trivialities.

http://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199846733/obo-9780199846733-0165.xml

prolog2:
First of all, oral history is not history at all. History requires written or documents which were written in the same period as what they describe

Semantics. Oral history is history but should not be misconstrued as written or recorded history.

prolog2:
Linguists study language, they are not historian. Confusing linguists with anthropologists is a very quacky thing to do. It seems you already have a predetermined conclusion and you will use every ruse to convince that you are right rather than prove your claim[/b]which you can't because you are wrong. Archeological findings are the foundations of prehistory and can also be used to help during historical research. But when there is no text or drawing, you just can't call it history. Next time you talk to a guy you don't know, try to sound less condescending, unless you have a Nobel price or a Fields medal.

Point 1: A "HISTORIAN" is a "loose" term for someone who gathers, preserves, interprets and comments on "credible information" from the past and present particularly concerning human events and activity. The discipline is not independent of itself and requires the input of other areas of expertise in its research or analysis. Ergo a linguist can be considered a historian depending on the "context" in which the language analysis is presented. If that observation flies over your head well I really can't help you with that.

Point 2 Your claim below:

prolog2:
Who else is getting tired about all this talk of migration? Language similarity is not proof of migration.

Point 3: My claim restated: "Beg your pardon any linguist or anthropologist knows that there is a correlation between migration and linguistic/cultural similarities. The whole Bantu migrations are based on this phenomena"

Point 4: Proof of claim_Case in point. The bantu expansion_ a "HISTORICAL" reconstruction of migratory patterns of people in Africa with evidence based on linguistic patterns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion

Point 5: Condescending is the least of my concerns, proving a point is much more fun. This is not my first trip round the block concerning such matters.

PS. You can take that noble peace prize and shove it up where the sun don't shine. I am not concerned with such trivial accolades bestowed upon man to stroke his ego. I am more concerned with Fact.

prolog2:
linguists are not historians, it is not their craft to tell you about migration. You don't ask astronomists to tell you about medicine, do you ?

A good part of this argument is as well based on "Oral" history so a "historian" is going by the best information available to him, therefore his version of history is not infallible.

Linguists and anthropologists are technically 'historians" depending on the "context" you are using these professional qualifications.

Again a linguist can use language similarities to construct or deconstruct ethnic and cultural affiliations as well as migration patterns. If you need clarification, just ask

prolog2:
Who else is getting tired about all this talk of migration ? Language similarity is not proof of migration. Yoruba guys need to stop claiming migration up and down, 200 years ago there was nothing such as yoruba, si calm down a bit. Igbo guys should calm down as well, you were not there to witness the events which you are recounting. All that is known is that Delta State in it's entirety was under the rule of the Oba of Benin. That makes them Edo in my book.

Beg your pardon any linguist or anthropologist knows that there is a correlation between migration and linguistic/cultural similarities. The whole Bantu migrations are based on this phenomena.

Tellemall:
[s]You lost your argument from your first insult. The only communication you can receive from this end, as a result of your stupid and pointless mentions, will be insults.

You sound like a stupid kid. You must be one. And a subhuman to add cream to your resume.

Your wild guesses about my IQ are laughable. You do not know to whom you speak. It's a pity that people like you crawl all over the internet making noise. But what do we expect from a hollow, resoundingly shallow empty barrel like yourself? Empty noise. Are you a Mensa? If not, you are so stupid for your above post and can't compare. You are empty noise. Your reasoning is poor, flawed and full of black supremacy BS dreams. You are talking about an IQ as if you have one.

When you address the issue that whites are your God, their innovations are your desires and that you - as a black masquerade - have nothing to offer the world but your negritude trash, then you may begin to give down syndrome ret.ards something to celebrate you for.

Get back to your knuckle dragging.

Henceforth, you can talk to yourself.[/s]

Still did not address a single point that was made. Lets test IQ's here see who is really slow.

Morpheus IQ 150

Tellemall, worse than before 65. Below average for an African.

TheBaltimorean:
Liberia was good before the 1980 coup. We she what happened when the natives had power.

Yes, African americans and caribean Americans exploited the cheap labour and resources in the country lavishing it on all sorts of ridiculous firvolities and never incorporated the indigenous Africans that lives adjacent to them instead trying to dominate and subjugate them as they were thought from their American experience.

Of course no blame should go to them. They are pretty innocent.

I laugh in Hausa!

Aaronsrod:
Satan at work!!

Trump must build his wall now and crush this devil warshippers!!

They are pagans not Devil Worshippers you slowpoke. Venerations are to the ancestors and not to some evil power.


Do you read?

blueAgent:
Not just been overrun, but been overrun by dumb people.

Point 1."dumb" being a euphenism here for what we all know is truly being implied. ehhhh can we assume racist!

Point 2. Its the same they said about the Irish, the Italians, Armenians, etc when they mass migrated into the Americas but hey you still managed quite well many years later unless of course you believe for some reason these humans that mass migrated some how were "superior" to the ones who are mass migrating now in terms of intellect or culture, which I suspect you do ergo Master race ideology.


Point 3. Statistically speaking there is no evidence to support that assertion, it is of course purely based on bias and the real stats would factor in multiple variables.

Point 4. its obvious you want to come here and hash out your alt right wing agenda but you are on the wrong platform. You don't have leftists or neo liberals in this space in the same sense as what you consider one to be but keep on though, everyone needs an outlet to offload their fears and frustrations in life.

If Jonas na my brother I for advise am say Indian woman dey fine until she reach like 40 years old. After that na down hill for am. Her face and body dey wowo no be small.

blueAgent:
Do you really think diversity will favour you ?

What do you mean by "diversity" and what level are we talking here.

On a genetic level, absolutely and unequivocally YES!. Interbreeding is an evolutionary necessity. Diversity is essential in this process. The less diverse a species genetically, the higher the probability they will not survive.

On a social level , of course, otherwise you wouldn't have EXCHANGES and uncontrolled flow of knowledge. this means all those varieties of foods and restaurants you have access to on the streets of Europe and America would not be available to you. As you send the people back, you would have to send every other thing that comes from somewhere else back to where to originated from as well, not just people. That would limit your dietary intake and probable cause genetic problems down the line.

On a cultural level, a resounding 'Yes". Culture remains dynamic, it perishes if it remains static. In order for culture to continue dynaminism its norms, values, systems and structures most be continuously challenged or reconstructed. As uncomfortable as it seems, it is unfortunately a necessity for progress to take place. You cannot name one civilization that has not experienced this phenomena. It is not going away my friend no matter how much you try to socially engineer. Nature is greater than you.

blueAgent:
Keep dreaming.

That's your best comeback. So much for the Master race with higher IQ levels.

blueAgent:
Am not against immigration what am against is mass immigration.

Read your statement again, won't you? If you had said you are against "illegal immigration" that's one thing but to say "mass' immigration simple points to your inherent fear of being over-run by a "group" of people.

There was mass immigration from "Europe" many times over to the Americas. Your people are not dead yet, no starvation, no civil war

Yet one seems to find it intriguing how you are against this new wave of mass immigration. Could it be that you are inherently biased to your own kind. That would be perfectly fine. I mean a racist is a racist but please do justice and don't mask what you are implying with words like "mass" again.

blueAgent:
Lame excuse go and read

488-page textbook entitled Human
Accomplishment: the Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 BC to 1950.


www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3611273/White-male-and-proud-of-it.html

We have already given a round of applause for the "whitemans' achievements thus far, what else do you want, standing ovation, for us to bow down and subject ourselves to you.

White people I tell you ***SMH****

blueAgent:
Dreamer.

Be carefull what you wish for.

Its nature's design. A recombination of genes is relevant for human survival and the only way is through interbreeding, didn't you know that.

Why on earth do you think your ancestors introgressed Neanderthal genes.

blueAgent:
Thats the reason you should stay far from them.

Nice way of saying don't come to Europe

Tellemall:
@bolded : you have lost your argument already. The black man is an abusive beast, as usual, who knows nothing but abuses. .

The ignoramous says I have lost my argument yet does not point to what part of "my argument" I lost.

Tellemall's IQ level 80 and below

Morpheus's IQ level 150.

Tellemall:
Sub human

Kindly tell us what traits make the "black" man subhuman. If you find one that is not present in any other human I will bow down to your majesty, If you however can't you must admit you are an ignoramus

here's another example of "diversity at its best in "America"

You nasty European men have been dipping into that Melanin pool for a while now and covered that nastiness up by instituting the 'one drop rule" now you want to come here and claim "nationalism"

"The early African experience in the Americas is marked by the transatlantic slave trade from ∼1619 to 1850 and the rise of the plantation system. The origins of enslaved Africans were largely dependent on European preferences as well as the availability of potential laborers within Africa. Rice production was a key industry of many colonial South Carolina low country plantations. Accordingly, rice plantations owners within South Carolina often requested enslaved Africans from the so-called “Grain Coast” of western Africa (Senegal to Sierra Leone). Studies on the African origins of the enslaved within other regions of the Americas have been limited. To address the issue of origins of people of African descent within the Americas and understand more about the genetic heterogeneity present within Africa and the African Diaspora, we typed Y chromosome specific markers in 1,319 men consisting of 508 west and central Africans (from 12 populations), 188 Caribbeans (from 2 islands), 532 African Americans (AAs from Washington, DC and Columbia, SC), and 91 European Americans. Principal component and admixture analyses provide support for significant Grain Coast ancestry among African American men in South Carolina. AA men from DC and the Caribbean showed a closer affinity to populations from the Bight of Biafra. Furthermore, 30–40% of the paternal lineages in African descent populations in the Americas are of European ancestry. Diverse west African ancestries and sex-biased gene flow from EAs has contributed greatly to the genetic heterogeneity of African populations throughout the Americas and has significant implications for gene mapping efforts in these populations."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0029687

Tellemall:
Africans will forever want what whites have to offer them, but hate them for being Superior to them.

Have you asked yourself why they didn't want it 5,000 years ago, 1000 years ago, or 500 years ago, or even 300 years ago, why is there a sudden exodus.

Hmmm

Tellemall:
Black people have something wrong with them.

This is why all black people run from Africa to the rest of the world to enjoy the good things white people have put up selflessly, then complain about racism. They have every reason to be racist.

Tell White people to return everthing they stole and we can talk about repatriating people. Who no like enjoyment. Sharrap there mumu

Tellemall:
If they're so racist, why didn't blacks think of colonizing them and turning the world into South Sudan or rwanda?

Because western civilazation is brewed in War, survival of the fittest and Conquerism. They are not in equilibirium with the earth. They seek to exploit its resources for their satisfaction and once they are done, they will be headed to Mars to colonize there as well and once they are done with that will find theirway through dark holes into other galaxies, they will try to colonize planets or Aliens they find there as well and steal their resources as well.

Only one other living organizism operates in this way. A virus.

immhotep:
BlueAgent forgot that Nazi white nationalism led to the killing of 50+ million white people in World war 2

combine all their Wars in antiquity till date and its probably more than that.

The handy work of the Master race!

A big round of applause for the White man's achievements!

blueAgent:
Its obvious you are Naive.

Happily singing to his our demise. very soon there will be no America to diversify Lol... just slums and Ghetto trash.

The fact that White people have deceived the World for centuries claiming tha Skin tone and facial features are the cause of a whole "races" advancement exclusive of any other variables is the greatest crime of the last couple of centuries and the Universe is realigning itself no matter how much they try to mask "racism" I the cloak of "nationalism".

Nature will always win over social engineering.

Tis inevitable. You can slow it down but you will not stop it

immhotep:
Because love is stronger than hate
Mix the genes, brother.

Yes sir. The human race requires this Diversity to survive.

It is nature's design and inevitably God's design.

blueAgent:
Joker.

Detriolet,Chicongo,Salem,Baltimore would not have existed without the whiteMan building them left for you and Native Americans US would have still been a wilderness.

A big clap for the white man f or his historical achievements.

Now lets get along with nature's re-design of bringing back Melanin to the entire world's population again before it was cleverly interrupted by eugenics and the Master race.

You cannot fight nature, you must embrace it.

In the words of Agent smith.. "It is inevitable"

In the words of Thano', " dread it, run from it, Destiny still arrives"

AnyoneButAtiku:
If I were a member of IPOB, I would find it difficult to rationalise my continued membership - given how unhinged the organisation's leader has become.

Kanu is simply trying to cause confusion by strategically planting these ideas into peoples minds.

He will not produce any facts or evidence and I can bet money on it.

Even if he had the DNA evidence, how did he collect it, what is he comparing to i.e Buhari's son, Buhari's daughter, Buhari's brother.

Story.... Make we see. That's how he said he has evidence that will destroy the country, he hasn't released it yet. What is he waiting for?

hayoholla:
I believe the OP will have made things easier if he was arguing for the presence of the black man all over the world. instead of being too afrocentric in his assertion.

I believe the OP is propelled by the injustices and the omissions of "African" contributions to World as propagated by the "white" mainstream and powers that be. I can understand his motivations which is why an Afrocentric posture is not necessarily bad but it can fall victim to the same assumptions as those who are Eurocentrics. The best approach is the observe data objectively without bias and we end up finding out the turth of the matter.

hayoholla:
One thing I want to ask you sir is what makes up the phenotypic and genotypic trait of man is it inate or environmental induced? The reason for my question is you keeping treating each independent of each other of which I quite understand they are, according to science. But dont you see at some point they kind of overlap or maybe one is a preceedent to another?

1.Genetics or DNA are the building blocks of any human or living thing for that matter, therefore any journey to understanding humans should start at this level.
2. DNA is both both innate and influenced by our environment. There are environmental circumstances that put pressure on us which cause mutations in our DNA coding and is passed on to the next generation either as a benefit or detriment. An example is the sickle cell Gene that is pronounced in West Africans. It is both a gene and environmentally derived. The mutation has been postulated to be the body' reaction and defense against Malaria.


So to answer your question phenotype and genotype correlate but it does not imply that one caused the other. In other words there a many other variables that must be considered.

koladebrainiac:
A tourist has been shot dead with a bow and arrow by an indigenous tribe living on a remote protected island in the Indian Ocean
The American missionary was called John Allen Chau and he had travelled to North Sentinel Island - one of the world's most isolated islands - with the intention of converting the people who live there to Christianity.

North Sentinel Island is situated within the Andaman Islands and to say the people of this particular island wish to be left alone is something of an understatement.

The 27-year-old paid fisherman to help him get across to the island, but it appears as if he was killed by the locals as soon as he arrived there.

The indigenous people of North Sentinel are protected by law and it is illegal to go over to the island - not that you'd want to, given that they have a reputation for killing anyone who tries.

It is also important that the Sentinelese are left alone because they could be susceptible to diseases.

Police have since arrested seven people in relation to the case, believed to be the fishermen who took Chau across to the island.

According to International Christian Concern, Chau had become very keen to meet with the Sentinelese after hearing of their existence. He had made several trips to the nearby islands before finally paying the fishermen to get him out to North Sentinel so that he could interact with the tribe.

A spokesperson for International Christian Concern said: "We here at International Christian Concern are extremely concerned by the reports of an American missionary being murdered in India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to both John's family and friends. A full investigation must be launched in this this murder and those responsible must be brought to justice."

Police sources said: "He tried to reach the Sentinel island on November 14 but could not make it.

"Two days later he went well prepared. He left the dingy midway and took a canoe all by himself to the island.

"He was attacked by arrows, but he continued walking. The fishermen saw the tribesmen tying a rope around his neck and dragging his body.

"They were scared and fled but returned next morning to find his body on the sea shore."

A spokesperson for the US Consulate said: "We are aware of reports concerning a US citizen in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

"When a US citizen is missing, we work closely with local authorities as they carry out their search efforts."

There are thought to be around 150 people on North Sentinel Island and they violently shun all contact with the outside world.

They were filmed firing arrows at a helicopter back in 2004 and killed two fishermen who drifted accidentally into their waters in 2006



http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-american-missionary-killed-with-arrows-by-tribe-on-indian-island-20181121?c=1542803291199 …

The people were like you want a one way ticket to your heaven right, swack!, there you go.

The words Ethno, ethnic, ethnicity, etymology are all related and simply boil down to "origin" or related characteristics that people tend to be bonded by. I see nothing wrong with one identifying closely to his ethos or ethnicity. The problem is when this identity seeks to ridicule, subject, subjugate and belittle other groups using their ethos as a rallying point to cause discord in societies.

Unfortunately humans are hard wired to this behavior and I don't see it disappearing anytime soon. A hard reality to live with. What does mitigate these circumstances usually depends on how related the people become over time in terms of merging their identities to become one. This is done usually through inter marriage, close proximity in day to day interactions with each other, food, music, and opposition to an external aggressor. The less these circumstances occur, the slower the process will be.

Horus:
Baseless claims with no source or no links provided and no connection with the video that I posted

You see why I say you should stop using old data to bolster your point and understand that the better we get at technology the more we can accurately pinpoint findings.

Genetic testing was just recently (november 2018)o your luzia fossil. it was discovered that she clusters genetically with "Asian/mongoloid" populations from an early peoples known as the 'clovis" culture.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181109155524.htm

SMH Horus!