₦airaland Forum

ProudSAfrican:
You know very well how important South Africa is to the continent. You love to hate South Africa.

If we are to dissect your first sentence in your response a little further, I would argue that the importance of South Africa on the continent is substantive but "how" important/significant, is open to serious debate.

In other words to SADC, it could be an extremely important country as most of its economic activity, centers on investments and the free flow of goods and services and Human capital within and through that bloc, as SA stands to be the most vibrant economy within that region.

Taking another look in terms of West Africa, how truly important is it? Well for one, most Francophone West African nations rely much less, economically on South Africa as a trading partner in comparison to say Anglo's like Nigeria and Ghana whom represent in combined population size a highly potential market base to trade with and exploit.

The East African bloc COMESA has its own conmbines economic base and is much more dependent on member states economically and commercially. This is not to exclude South African investments in that region, but there are investments from various African states that exist there too so that cannot be used as measure of importance in my opinion.

Lastly the North Africans are a part of the continent as well and equally have little dependency on SA as a whole, sure little investments here and there but nothing significant enough as to put a dent in their economy if SA seizes to do business with them.

So my friend your statement is wide open and sorry to tell you there is no rational to hating SA on the basis of what you intimated or just because it is SA. People hate SA because of Xenophobia, intolerance, apathy, discrimination, prejudice, sweeping indictments against foreign black nationals, and the likes. In other words all the symptoms inherited from an Apathied state

ProudSAfrican:
Are you trying to show me how pointless your intelligence is or are you actually answering my question?

Wishing not to digress but I must address your rebuttal in entirety, so therefore;

1. My intelligence cannot be "pointless". A word or quote or statement I make can be "pointless" but not my intelligence. The quantity or speed at which my neurons process information can be "dysfunctional" but definitely not "pointless."

2. I already answered your question but unfortunately it is proving difficult for you to decipher. Let me help you out.

Go back read your initial statement
Then read my response to the initial statement
Then read your subsequent response to MY initial statement which was posed as a question
and then read my response which points to your subsequent "question response" and deduce that my subsequent response to your secondary response, if posed in subjective "inversion" would answer itself as a rhetorical and thus ultimately answer your question.

I know, I know it sounds like jargon but it is quite intelligently stated...

ProudSAfrican:
Then why dont you do just that?

The reverse statement if I were to word it exact as you would a rhetorical. It answers itself

Jayceon:
diverting from what??


Lo...

Merriams dictionary defines Diverting as

a : to turn from one course or use to another : deflect
b : distract <trying to divert her attention>
2
: to give pleasure to especially by distracting the attention from what burdens or distresses.


Shall I explicitly state the diversionary statement that was used as a response to my initial statement or shall we assume you have enought sense to discern how to do that by yourself

Jayceon:
hypertenntion?? Yes our doctors have confirmed.

1.Spell "hypertension" properly

2. Rebuke, Refute or Rebut any of my assertions

The response above is a diversion and void of thought. If you can't just say you can't, There is no shame.

Jayceon:
no one in your family has any clue on how to create a website.your house is a mud shack somewhere in the makoko dirty slum

On the contrary, My brother used to read C++ books at the age of 13 built pictoral models on those old IBM computers and pretty much learnt elementary DOS commands ( a precursor to computer coding language) before the age of 15 . He was recently IQ tested and that crazy guy scored 150.

Now if there is any truth to genetic resemblance in siblings, I wonder where my comprehensive IQ test would fall?

Hmmmm?

Jayceon:
someone's blood preasure went up

Jayceon:
someone's blood preasure went up

One liner rebuttals are usually indicative of the inability to come up with any opposing view to the statements made in an attempt to divert and digress from the point being made.

Doesn't work on me. Try again.

jagugu88li:
I can firmly say there's never been a point in time where Nigerians where being ill-treated in South Africa. Somalians, Zimbabweans and maybe Mozambicans can claim ill-treatment.

You are not being truthful my brother, So all the televised Xenophobic attacks through out the years beginning officially in 2008 have not been channeled towards Nigerians. That is not true.

If you had clarified the fact that Nigerians as a whole receive the lesser brunt of xenophobic sentiment because the Nigerian professional and student class live in more metropolitan and suburban areas and therefore are away from the the township areas, that would have been a fair statement. The reason the groups you mentioned are targeted more often is because a greater number of them they live in closer proximity to impoverished communities that are in competition for limited resource allocation.

jagugu88li:
My brother, bloggers have a way of twisting the truth and most people report hear say. Obviously, one doesn't have to be physically placed in a situation to understand it but, with that being said, visit that SA and see for yourself. It's actually the reverse of what is being reported. Its Nigerians that scatter SAns.

I personally never know how to react when a Nigerian is crying ill-treatment, because me and you know the truth. Xenophobic attacks are there worst one human could do to another. Fortunately enough, Nigerians are never at the receiving end of it, drug dealers are........Even then, it's once after many SAn youth funerals.

I am in agreement with you that the Nigerian drug dealing element should be discriminated against with full prejudice of the law however the problem is when we are dealing with semi illiterate politicians and political posturing of people who make sweeping indictments in an atmosphere of undeniable xenophobic sentiment, exposing legitimate and legal "black" foreign nationals/economic migrants which include Nigerians and labeling them in a manner that encourages xenophobia and this my "brother" is the reality.

MduZA:
yeah...thats who we are..none of your business!

This was posted on a Nairaland forum so it has been made my business cause this is my house.

Why are you here on Nairaland worried about what useless people are saying about your country. Shouldn't you be toyi toying for free education somewhere on the streets of Benoni?

Jayceon:
could it be that you see these things because we are the only african country that really matters and we are constantly under spotlight??

Delusions of grandeur.

A while back the spotlight was cast on the Gambia in West Africa, that was the headline story trending and the issue which the AU was most concerned with. You do know what the AU is right, that African body that discuss real African issues. The perception that your country only matters in real African affairs borders on the ubiquitous perception in South Africa that many Africans are even aware of a country called South Africa.

SADC countries may be familiar with your politics but I dare you to go to any francophone African country in the West, North, or central part of AFrica and talk about Malema or Maimane and see how their faces will be full of dumbfoundment.

Jayceon:
As you could have guessed by now: the answer is a big YES,africans are obsessed with us but there are civil wars in other parts of africa and Southies don't even discuss those stories

The level of your matric pass rates will be indicative of the latter part of your statement above. A substantial number of SA students can't even name 5 African countries outside of SADC even after hosting the CAF cup of nations and you think this is something to be proud of.

I blame Apatheid for isolating your brains for so long that you really believe Africa begins in cape town and ends in the hinterlands of the limpop

*shame* in South African accent.

Are they?

A reasonable amount of them are but i wouldn't say all White South Africans, mostly Boer Afrikaners. The ones of English descent who are a little less acculturized to the Afikaner mentally are more opened minded.

ProudSAfrican:
Isnt it basic common sense to think twice before judging an entire nation of individuals?

The reverse should be a questioned posed to most South Africans about other Africans especially towards Nigerians

MduZA:
bad wishes as always..Nigerians:south Africans know how to deal with their issues,note that we dont think like you and we are not like you..we are south africans doing things south african way!

We are well aware of the way you do South African things. You lot are very angry people, Always angry about something.
Angry about school fees
Angry at Orlando pilots for scoring 6-0
Angry about White people enjoying themselves in front of you.
Angry about foreigners stealing your jobs and *some of your women*
Angry about data prices
Angry at the Guptas
Angry at the indian's in Durban exploiting you
Angry at ZUma for Nkandla
Angry at Somali spaza shops


And what do you do when you are angry, usually nothing constructive. A whole lot of toyi toying, singing, destroying property and then you go home sleep over it and come back the next day to do the same thing.

Eish. The South African way!!

LeSudAfricaine:
Still keeping up with the Joneses?
I don't see how Maimane issue's relevant here, sure he's married to a white person, he's not making a noise about it, it's not some achievement

Au contraire madmoiselle LeSudAfricaine, very important, it highlights how these high profile characters are becoming sell outs!

LeSudAfricaine:
Yeeepeee you wined and dined with white people, what an achievement,
You've just proved my point , backwards village mentality

what bout your traitoe DA member maimane who did the same thing and married a white lady just so he could move up the social ladder claiming so called non racial society gibberish meanwhile we all know his party aka the whites are using him as a poster boy so they can win back power from the Anc. Traitors

MduZA:
Wishful thinking...

Ah keep quite Mduza. The traitor mdanla mandela just wanted some indian pussy and turned his back in his fore fathers and sold his heritage for some brown Kitty-Cat. Shame on him. Why didnt the girl convert to African religious customs. A way fir her own family to tap into the he mandela blood line

Tumisang:
Like you, I only contribute to those about South Africa/ns.

Says a lot about you and how much you know about Morpheus's 8 years on Nairaland.

PunkyVeer:
Haaaaaaaaa! Come on, Xhosa girls aren't that bad...if you're a good boy Poisoning though? Haikhona!

Even Dbanj don run, you want me to put leg.

Iro!

PunkyVeer:
Hey, I'm here to learn not to e-fight. I'm learning a lot at the romance section, so when are you gonna wife me, Morph?

I told you I am tribalist, no Nguni's. I can manage Swati girls but Xhosa. You will beat me and put poison in my food.

You want my mother to cry!


Tufiakwa!

Naomithato1:
the weather is bearable but during the first nights my siblings and I we found it hard to fall asleep and there is no pap at least I haven't seen it we just eat Rice all the time

Naomithato1:
the weather is bearable but during the first nights my siblings and I we found it hard to fall asleep and there is no pap at least I haven't seen it we just eat Rice all the time

Madam I am also suspecting your authenticity, for one the way you write your English to my recollection is not the way a "Coloured" would form sentences.

You must prove your authenticity. Give me your address in Abuja and I will come take you out on a date!

The South African hit squad is out again-VandalZA, Punky, Tumi and that fake French LesudAfrikaaner girl.

What did I miss?

Damn Tumisang, don't you contribute to any other topic on Nairaland?

Don't let me shut this thread down.

Be nice Wena!

soilsista:
Dumelang. Sanibonani. Yeeeeee guys isithukuthezi

My darling Tshwana sister.

How you dey?

PunkyVeer:
lol, I'm trying to learn to be the kind of lady you fancy

Iro!

Tufiakwa!

PunkyVeer:
I stay away from the fights most of the time. Spend most of it at the romance section, less provocation. Too much negativity is not good lol.

See yourself, Wetin you dey do for "romance" section.

Hmmmmmm/

PunkyVeer:
You're right hence I mentioned that the Nguni people are generally friendly, with exceptions of course. I am Nguni. Xhosa to be exact, so I know how it is. I have been to the rural areas & yes, the difference between people over there & those living in urban areas is quite obvious like you stated. However, imo, they still have similarities in personality that makes them who they are. Example, Xhosa women are very outspoken & bold, whether they live in the rural areas or the townships. You go to Johannesburg, where you find ones from different backgrounds & still people will say, "Abafazi bamaXhosa bandwebile"- meaning, Xhosa women are "forward". I guess what I'm trying to say is, at the core, people from the same tribe are really the same.

PunKy, Me and you no fit mix o!

I like the ladies who take care of me like a man and I take of them in return.

We cannot both put leg in the same trouser! lol

PunkyVeer:
Your whole brain is "out of context" I'm curious about one thing you said though, so the South African govt "don't need to worry about doing anything for Nigerians" even when "high crime" is perpetuated against Nigerians? Is that what you're telling me? They should be ignored or chased away when they visit police stations to report said crimes? Won't you then say Nigerians aren't being treated equally? They're being discriminated against blah blah blah. Stop snorting pounded yam. As for us sending them packing, South Africa is a free country. We don't send people packing if they're in here legally. Sisokola sonke (we struggle together). If things were so horrible against those living here right now, I'm sure they wouldn't need to be told to pack & go. They would have done it already, on their own. So again, stop with your reaching. Always playing advocate. SMH. Did the Nigerians here say they want to leave & return home? Don't you think they can afford their flights home? Funny because many visit Naija but always return down south. But you're here foaming rubbish on their behalf. Nawa 4 you. Craze dey worry you

Everything I said just flew over you coo coo brain SMH!

PunkyVeer:
Why do you always ramble about things that have no relation to the topic at hand? Are you schizophrenic? Now you're talking about feeding. Boy, oh boy! The only way I know how to deal with you when you're having one of your "episodes" is....I DON'T CARE.

The subject matters are inter- related, stop trying to come off smart.

You say your government doesn't have resources to keep up with every thing goin on including Xenophobia, I reply that is the reason for aggrieved people to organize under the Law

You state the government is occupied with issues facing "our' country. What are these issues; Corruption, high unemployment and High crime. I respond you don't need to worry about doing anything for Nigerians as it pertains to the aforementioned issues. If you can't deal with them in the light of your internal issues, send them packing.

What is out of context?

PunkyVeer:
By "organised association" you mean Anyene & cohorts? LMFAO. Ok.

They are organized and are abiding by a law of freedom of association guaranteed for people( not only citizens) who live in South Africa. Whether you find that funny or not it is a way of consolidating grievances when your "authority" cannot by your own words manage the realities of the situation.

PunkyVeer:
South Africa is not the US. We don't have the resources they have to keep watch on everything. Even they (the US) with all their resources still fail their people in some cases, so it's not like they've won that war. It's a battle. And we're having our own with the issues facing our country so stop reaching.

Again, please face your issues in your country, nobody asked you to concentrate, help out or feed any Nigerian who chooses to make a living in "your" country.

"Your" country has a historical reputation of getting away with gross injustices in the guise of protecting its citizens whether in "apartheid" or in the new post 1994 government. If you cannot handle the Nigerians please lobby to send all of them back including legal law abiding and illegal ones to their country since you cannot deal with the realities of the 21st century and there will be no need for such organizations to act as Watch dogs in "your" country.


Shikena!

DictatorZAR:
Awe teef leksel wow jou mase bloed poes ook jou bloed kont se kind

Spoken like a true CAPE COLORED!

You do not disappoint!

PunkyVeer:
Look, the govt is not gonna hype up & make noise about the death of every Nigerian that keels over & dies (by various causes) while on South African soil. It's absurd. We have more pulling issues as a country. Besides, our own people die too & we don't make a big deal out of it. And you expect us to report every rubbish going on on our streets. Hayikhona! Even more advanced countries have no time for street brawls & the likes. Many die without recognition.

Nobody begged you to report or focus on it. We vis a vis an organized association are doing that ourselves by highlighting these incidents since Media have the power to skew incidents to fit their Government or national agenda. What I would suggest is people start video taping these things on camera. Footage is very powerful and cannot be ignored

The relevant question to be asked is, is it happening? Are the facts accurate?

Advanced countries like the US are tackling Police brutality on the Black/AFrican American community that is an injustice being perpetrated by law enforcement. Hmmmm?

DictatorZAR:
Hi Boo Boo Moffie Morph. I see you want mods to come and close this thread. Ok here we go I see the dress fits you nice.

Slim chance my tactics will end up closing the thread, This BS thread been going on for a couple of years now, its practically embarrassing at this point.

As far as the Boko haram suicide bomber outfit there, A simple response of " Jou ma se poes!" will suffice

vandalZA:
Nothing much happening in south Africa we are just in a cold season and what about Nigeria?

Bros e dey hot no be small for here. We no get winter season.

Boko don kill our northern brothers yesterday

Buhari just return from Yankee

EFCC dey chase everybody left right and center.

NEPA don dey give us better light for we area!

SAi BABA!