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LeSudAfricaine:
Yes, lol, This Morpheaus character, always trips on his own shoelaces, contradictions all the way ha ha

What is contradictory about letting people know Xenophobia is alive and well in SA. I have singing that tune since 2008 and have been vindicated.

Simple because your government managed to sweep it under the rug for the time being doesn't mean its gone. Root causes haven't been dealt with and until then

SAYNOTOXENOPHOBIA!!!

kachiz:
Gradually and gradually, you guys have successfully derailed this thread with your incessant fights and bickering.
@ ucheokpara100 thanks very much for opening this thread and thanks also to the guys that have contribited positively, you guys don't know how many dying flames you've rekindled.
Please continue with what you were doing before this their quarrels started.
If anybody has plenty of bad stuffs to still say about SA, kindly open your own thread after all its free and we will gladly read.
*Derailing is not good.

Eyyah!

Sorry we go soon comot. I know say you be wan go Southie for holiday but xenophobia dey there o!

PAINGAIN:
lol morpheus, seems to me that u have decided/concluded to only see d bad side of SA and b blind to d good sides which totally outweighs d bad. Nigerians r also accomodating but I must say that if foreigners in nigeria behave or commit crimes in nigeria d way they do here, nigerians would've driven them away. Try not to b biased bro. One love.

Tell them to form neighbor hood watches, catch these criminals on tape, report these criminals to the police, Get them arrested, prosecute and jail them and if found wanting deport them back to where they came from.

NO looting of shops!!!

NO toyi toying!

NO terrorizing of Women!

NO terrorizing of small children!

vandalZA:
you can come, we do have Nigerian friends that chill with us during weekends

Stop lieing.

DieVluit:
You are contradicting yourself. Apply that " wisdom" to South Africans too, why don't you? But you can't do that because you are a victim. You have been hurt badly by South Africans and now you walk around with a chip on your shoulder, on some crusade.
When it comes to foreigners, "the content of the character defines the human being and not their nationality".
But when it comes to South Africans, no, no, no. No such luxury for them.
Do you know how crazy you sound? No logic whatsoever. Zero thought. Zero sense. This is what happens when your views are driven by bitterness.

IT can't apply to South Africans. Xenophobia runs in their veins.

Ps...Damn you sound so much like CraigB. Did you guys go to the same school?

14:
Morpheus24, who has been rubbishing SA since 2006, it has become a career for you Mr Seppuku, we know you use 2 accounts here.

Are you just realizing that I have an ALter ego on nairaland.

You are slow, BOss!

14:
I raised the intergration issue in the "foreign affairs" thread, morpheurs24 hummered me for it. You dont go to a foreign land and isolate yourself in a little group, instead of making friendship with the locals. The locals will view you as an enemy, but if you made friendship with them, you will learn a lot about them and the country as a whole. Its shocking to find someone who has lived in the country for 10yrs and still does not understand the country, that happens when you isolate yourself.

It is strange to me this logic of the problem of Isolationism??

This means that either every foreigner has a mental disorder or its the reverse with the locals.

This isolationism is practiced by Nigerians, Ethiopian, Somali, Congolese, Burundians, Malawians, Mozambicans, Greeks, Portugese, Chinese, Indians, Brits, Germans, Jews e.t.c. that reside in South Africa

Hmmm

Could it be that because you have been locked away in bantustans for quite a while that everyone else looks like "enemies" to you.

DieVluit:
You still can't accuse them of not being accommodating. You still have 100% of your posts cancelled out by your own acceptance of the truth.

Ahh, I see you are one of those who likes to have the last word huh.

Let me leave you with this. The last two comments I made re-enforce The "logic" behind my arguments.

Now please continue to stay on topic.

If you like me so much like that then open up a thread about all the "lies" I spew about your country then we can talk.

SHikena!

DieVluit:
It means you can't accuse them of not being accommodating, which cancels out 100% of your posts.

Dogs are also vicious biters!

Have you been bitten by one before?

DieVluit:
His point is that you've clearly accepted that South Africans are accommodating people.
No need to be confused.

Dogs are an accommodating species.

That doesn't mean much.

DieVluit:
Truth speaks.

It speaks loud and clear.

PAINGAIN:
don't let morpheus get to u. I am a nigerian and south africa has been my home for almost ten years. Truth b told, south africans r a very accomodating people.

So are Nigerians.

What's your point?

DieVluit:
Yes, so the Nigerian mob of filth below was protesting against a building and the gods that made the man fall.
Also the man in the picture below was not a member of a Nigerian drug cartel in China. He was arrested for selling roses and cotton wool.

Do you see how those dudes are chilling and smoking right in front of the cops. Not possible in SA. You are slapped and dragged at the back of the car if you are a foreigner.

No bruises or marks on the guy who was arrested. he is being escorted to jail.

Not being burnt alive!

DieVluit:
Stop crying. Just accept that South Africa didn't want to accept you and live with it.

Morpheus shedding cyber tears!!!

DieVluit:
Yes. Nigerians faring "better" in China, as can be seen below.
Consequently, the SA xenophobia attacks never produced such images of dead Nigerians.
http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2009/08/01/big_trouble_in_chinas_chocolate_city.html
http://urhobotoday.com/?p=7300
You fight because you are bitter. Finish n klaar.

At least you are staying on topic now!

Dude jumped out of a building and died. He wasn't killed

If the police had arrested him, They would have taken him to jail, processed him and deported him

NOT burn him alive!

chineloSA:
SA is not so bad as it is ppainted, yes there are challenges but if you do things by law you will have a better future. There are few Nigerians who are benefiting from getting SA education and citizenship etc. including myself.
I just met another two Nigerian guys who are living and working in Saudi Arabia on SA passports. Funny enough we were discussing discrimination because of Nationality in Saudi Arabia in all industries or sectors. We all know we would not have gotten the jobs here in Saudi Arabia with Nigerian passport but only because for SA citizenship. Saudi state the countries they wish to attract and if you re not from those countries they don't employ you, and Nigeria is not one of those skills they wish to attract
The Universities and school will be closing for summer and they are both going to SA for holidays. I asked them if they will be going to Naija by any chance, the response was "HELL NO" They are bot planning to buy property in SA and settle in SA.
So if Xenophobia was extremely bad in all corners of SA, why would they prefer to go SA than Nigeria??
Those who wish to go to SA, go legally and get proper SA education and later citizenship and never be on the wrong side of the law, you will reap great rewards just like any legal immigrant elsewhere. SA Higher education is still respected and the development is also very respected.
As OP said plan your move very well and you will reap the benefits Understand that the media sometimes hyper-sensationalize issues.

Again this is not an indictment on All South Africans for Christ sake. However there is nothing that I have said that is untrue. If there is then please point it out and I will correct it otherwise.

The good and bad of South Africa must be told, no sugar coating.

To be forewarned is to be forearmed!

Shikena!

DieVluit:
Stop crying, Nigerian. Not my fault South Africans treated you like rubbish, as confirmed by you.

Again baiting me. Morpheus trying hard to resist....must resist

Stay on topic!

chineloSA:
Not quiet. I see contradicting statements. You first said that Nigerians are better off in China, Malaysia etc. than in South Africa, therefore you advice people to go to these countries either than SA.

Nigerians fair much better in China and Malaysia than they do in South Africa from my perspective and interactions. You have a higher number of legit traders, importers, students and Nigerian business people who travel and relocate to these countries in comparison to the unskilled and semi skilled type that find it easier to travel to South Africa. China and Malaysia do have issues with Nigerians who engage in illegal activities as should any country but there is no blanket perception that ALL NIGERIANS are drug dealers as it is in South Africa.

The attestation to this is the perception of Nigerians in developed countries like the US, the UK, Germany and the likes which attracts the more working,middle class, upper middle class Nigerians. You don not experience discrimination in the manner meted out in South Africa or at least they are more civilized about it than the South Africans are.

chineloSA:
Then I asked you if you have advised those Nigerians in Malaysia who have been having xenophobic encounters to return to Nigeria.
You contradict yourself because Malaysia has xenophobic/migration issues targeting Nigerians and also SA, but to you SA is the hellish and develish place of all.
I lived in SA before I became a teenager, I moved down with my parents ( God bless them ), and studied Senior primary and High School and University worked there and acquired citizenship. SA can honestly be demonized by the media including SA media.Though I was not in SA during the attacks,some of the pictures that you saw during the last attack were actually pictures from the old attack, so it was exaggerated.
Your perception about the country is too corrupted,

My dear, it is not corrupted at all. I fight for people like you and the little girl in those pictures who's crime it is to be stereotyped by a people who constantly want to blame others for their misfortunes. I am fully aware of how social media exaggerated the pictures about Xenophobia and I am definitely not new to the topic seeing that I have been on Nairaland for quite some time now.

DieVluit:
It's called B.I.T.T.E.R.N.E.S.S.

Baiting me. Not gonna work

Stay on topic!

DieVluit:
Again, you must be deranged if you thing I will sit here and watch YouTube videos.

No one forcing you to watch the videos.

Again reverse psychology 101.....Morpheus24 not falling for these old tricks.

Stay on topic!

DieVluit:
It is 100% about Morpheus's heartbreak in South Africa. Which heartbreak finds expression on Nairaland.

Reverse Psychology 101....Not falling for it.

This is not about Morpheus 24.

Stay on topic!!!

DieVluit:
What, would you rather we watch your youtubbie thingies instead? You could always allow the OP to continue with his topic.

Posts and videos relevant to the topic

Akin Omotosho......South Africa's labor issues..... irrelevant to the topic.

DieVluit:
Like how you are reminded of the hurt and heartbreak you found in South Africa whenever a post is made about the country?
Wonderful.

Reverse Psychology 101 mixed with a little straw man argument posturing. Not falling for it.

This is not about Morpheus24.

Stay on topic!

DieVluit:
Which is exactly why your post was mute.
Welcome to "logic".

This is gonna drag out to the usual banter you enjoy in your other rantings on other topics.

Where were the posts that were contention??

DieVluit:
They remain a prime example of a good Nigerian immigrant, whether you like it or not. The are also outnumbered by the uneducated Hillbrow, whether you like it or not.
Two facts that you can't deny. Meaning your post is mute, like everything else that you have posted.

I agree with statement number 1 except for the "prime" part though

I also agree with statement number 2.

The two points were never in contention

DieVluit:
The only NGO you are involved in is the "No Good Organisation".

Yes! YEs! I confess. I sold drugs on the streets of Hillbrow.

DieVluit:
You are deranged if you think that I will sit here and watch YouTube videos.
No amount of deranged behaviour will change the fact that Nigerians are nothing but hustlers in the main. Even OP confirms it with his story. You have zero to do with South Africa's labour issues. Zero. Your corner is where the drugs are, that's it. The Omotoso's have given us a taste of what Nigerians can be like but the uneducated Igbos outnumber the good ones by far.
You are one of the undesirable ones and this hurts you like hell. You can't deal with it and have become consumed by the pain. You can't even help yourself.

If the Omotosho's are the only Nigerians you have ever met that give you the "taste of what Nigerians can be like". You are very much a Simpleton.

Ps Please watch the video. IT is for you and for all the other unsuspecting poor Nigerians lining up to get Visas to South Africa in search of greener pastures.

Shikena!

chineloSA:
Plenty Nigerians in Malaysia have been crying about foul treatment they receive from Malaysian citizens and also authorities just because they are Nigerians? Have you told them to go back to Naija?

AN NGO I am involved in works with the Honorable Abike Dabiri's office, She is a strong advocate against the discrimination of Nigerians in Disapora specifically in Asian countries.

I have met and counseled Nigerians who have returned from prison terms in Asian countries.

Does that answer your question, Ma?

LeSudAfricaine:
yes they are chest beaters for sure! And it's really annoying

We do know our rights and will not allow jealous people trample on us.

This is what many people don't like. They want us to be submissive and passive.

DieVluit:
Of course you don't care about the labour issues. That is exactly my point. Nigerians aren't working people. They are hustling people. So the xenophobic attacks and "take-our-jobs" story has nothing to do with Nigeria. It is a SADC issue that Nigeria has no business talking about.
Nigerians are only about drugs, pimping and scams. The way South Africa views Nigerians has zero to do with the way South Africa views a Mozambican. So, yes - you don't care about labour issues. All you care about is how you can stay in South Africa so you can escape the ravaged infrastructure and such in Nigeria. You care only about how you can continue being viewed as an oga both in Nigeria and in SA. If you are treated like filth, you are hurt and bitter. You, my friend, are hurt and are bitter.

If your statements are true why is the woman in the video complaining about Nigerians and relating this to her children not being able to work. You should go tell her Nigerians aren't her problem since they are "hustling" people. They aren't taking her sons jobs. They are hustling.

If your statement above also hold water.... What about the non SADC Ethiopians, the Somalis, the Congolese.... Are they also "hustling" peoples.

Please! stop the BS

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LeSudAfricaine:
You've written a lot, but pretty much say nothin' you basically repeat the same thing over and over again
You have no business in telling South Africans they have a problem, we are a problem in our own country not in Vietnam, Malaysia, indonesia etc face that problem first before telling other people, You live in a glass house don't throw stones
It's funny how you take "iisolated ncidents "and make them the norm, Sure your friends took out some cheap floozies out, so what? Does it now mean our women now prefer Nigerian men? Not by a long shot, Women who marry Nigerians are looked down upon, not only by men but by the South African society in general and that's fact!
And please stop feeding me this vídeo nonsense, I unlike you do not study South África for a living, I live in SA, I'm South African, you can't possibly understand the country more than I do

The videos and commentary are mostly for the poor unsuspecting semi skilled Nigerians lining up in the embassies trying to go to South Africa to find greener pastures.

Stay on topic!

DieVluit:
You are clueless. You also failed to make it in South Africa and to get the respect you so crave. You clearly were treated like filth and are now unhappy. You think South Africans were meant to sit and wait for you to make your appearance, so that they could shower you with love. You have to work for that love. You have to integrate yourself. That's how immigration works, worlwide. I have lived in other countries. They embraced me because I embraced them, along with their problems and shortcomings. I learned their history, culture, languages and ways. I did not sit in some dungeon selling drugs and hoping to be loved. I became one with them.
Anyway, Nigerians specifically are not part of South Africa's formal labour space. Only a few outliers are. Nigerians are hustlers in the main. The most affected people with the xenophobia attacks are SADC people. The drug lords of Nigeria were in Hillbrow and Point Road where they sit in their filth. South Africa has a long history of drawing labour from the SADC region. It follows then that unscrupulous employers will take advantage of the situation and hire cheap labour. Even South Africans that are hired as scab labour present problems, which sometimes end in extreme violence. The interaction between SADC countries and South Africans has zero to do with Nigeria. Nigerians are hated for one thing - drugs and pimping. They have no iota of South Africaness in them. They have cut themselves slums in Hillbrow and then they are hurt if they are seen as outsiders. You have zero to do with the labour issues and you aren't interested in that anyway because all you uneducated Igbo guys are in South Africa for is to escape the failure that is Nigeria and to drug and love-vendor. Finish. Don't tell me about exceptions and outliers.

Boy stop the childish rant....." You wish you made it in South Africa." That reverse psychology thingy aint gonna work on me.



PS. I don't really care about your labour issues or if Nigerians wish to integrate into the communities in South AFrica.

You need to channel this integrationist ideology to those Indian, Chinese, Jewish, German, British communities around your country. Why is it they are able to open up schools that only cater for their kind, Why don't they learn about your people, come integrate with you. Oh I forgot they are "EXPATRIATES"