₦airaland Forum

DieVluit:
You can jump up and down until you are blue in the face, but these facts will not change:
1. Nigerians sell drugs and are pimps.
2. Nigerians sit in social enclaves and have failed to integrate themselves.
3. You are one of those failed immigrants who are on the fringes of South African society.
4. Nigerians are in South Africa for one thing - their own financial benefit and cannot be looked upon for any contribution, barring a few outliers.
5. Nigerians are desperate enough to want to do anything for papers and money.
6. Nigerians are prepared to marry women they don't love for papers.
7. Nigerias are prepared to flock into the drug trade - en masse - for money.
8. Nigerians like you know zero about South Africa notwithstanding their having been in South Africa for years.
9. You cannot expect hosts to embrace you if you cannot do what is required to understand the hosts.
10. Because South Africa has rejected you, you remain bitter.
You are a failed immigrant, but Akin Omotoso, for example is not. He has integrated. He is an outlier - him and the few others like him.

Likewise my "brother" this is the South African dilemma

Apatheid era.... We are suffering because of APatheid.. FIGHT APATHEID.. APATHEID MUST GO!!

Post 1994 era.......We are suffering because of White priviledge...FIGHT WHITE PRIVILEDGE.... WHITE PRIVILEDGE MUST GO!!

Pre 2008.....We are suffering because of corruption and the Tenderpreneurs......ZUMA MUST GO!

Post 2008 Xenophobic attacks... We suffering because the foreigners are taking our jobs.. FOREIGNERS MUST GO!

PoST 2014....2nd wave of Xenophobic attacks.. We are suffering because of foreigners are taking our jobs, taking our wives, and don't want to integrate and kiss our azzes... They stay secluded and don't want to pay taxes... FOREIGNERS MUST GO!


POST 2015.... We are suffering because... "FIll in the blanks"


All the above are not your real problem. You are just insane in the membrane that's all.

PS Please stop holding up Akin Omotosho that was on generations and the likes of Moky Makura, Fabian Adeoye Lojede and Etufunwa as your examples of the so called integrationist ideals. I highly doubt not one would not have a story of how they have been discriminated against because of their nationalities. I belive even Fabien had a documentary out where he pointed out his dark days in SA.

LeSudAfricaine:
you mean the negative side you're so obsessed with?

Morpheus philosophy 101

"You do not truly know someone's limitations until you fight them"

DieVluit:
You say that as if it's definitive. The situation is complex and summarising it in one line is lunacy. There was definitely a scab labour issue as well, which contributed to the violence. So, the jobs and immigration status issue is intertwined. Also labour related violence is not a new thing in South Africa. Marikana being an example.
Fact is foreigners are driven only by their own individual desires for progress. They don't care about any other interest - historical or otherwise. Their failure to study South African society is to their own peril.
http://www.afp.com/en/news/safrica-strike-season-looms-after-attacks-migrant-workers
"President Jacob Zuma himself has blamed last month's xenophobic unrest on an u[b]nnamed employer in the eastern city of Durban who replaced South African workers with migrants.[/b]
In the weeks that followed, at least seven people were killed as mobs hunted down migrants from Zimbabwe, Mozambique and other African countries, forcing hundreds of terrified families to abandon their homes and seek safety in camps.
The attacks "were sparked off by the conduct of an employer who fired South African workers who had gone on strike and employed workers from outside the country," Zuma said.
"Cosatu has observed employers under-employing migrant workers -- especially in the farming, retail and hospitality sectors.
South Africa is complex and only a handful immigrants have grasped it. Typically, SADC immigrants are closer to the pulse. Nigerians have no hope in hell of understanding South Africa nor do they have a desire to contribute. They are in it for themselves. Hence the type of activities they are involved in.

Yes we have no clue of the pull between Labour and the private sector in South African politics. THe history of communist and socialist parties in SA and how this has shaped the labour movements in your country or the frequent culture of toyi toying and violence inherited from the Apatheid era.

Nigerians are so clueless

DieVluit:
There's only ONE EXCUSE that's fact and it's about Nigerians:
They sell drugs and they are pimps. Not "foreigners", but Nigerians. Everything else is irrelevant.
End of story.
Even this thread is full of typical Nigerian thinking like "does marrying a South African woman help me get papers".
That alone tell you what we are dealing with - people that would do anything for money, even if it means marrying a woman they don't love.
This also tells us how much a failure Nigeria is - for young men to be so desperate that they consider marrying a woman just for papers.
You are a failed immigrant, my friend. South Africa burned you and you can't get over it. You know nothing about South Africa even if you have lived in it. You failed to integrate and now you think South Africans owe you something. As an immigrant, it was up to you to do the work that would help you integrate. But you failed to and you ended up on the fringes of South African society. Now, you are bitter.

Simpleton.

You want to figure out the psychology of my madness huh?

It is far from being a so called failed Immigrant. I have so many in and out stamps from your country it even bewilders the immigration officers as to why A Nigerian like myself can afford to travel so frequently and isn't running away from his country. I leave you to continue in desperation to figure that out.

On your so called point of marriage. Your fellow White South Afrikaaners in New Zealand, Australia and the UK do it. You should be scolding them for engaging in such fraudulent acts.

Even a good number of your black south Africans specifically in Washington Dc engage in such acts, I even know one who married a lesbian just to get papers. Should I send you his email so you can scold him as well. bad bad body he is.

LESSON ON IMMIGRATION 101
The immigration officials in most countries are not stupid, They know there will be immigrants coming into a country to try to integrate into the society. Marriage is the strongest tie of any one to a community or a land. The immigrant has children and is forced to settle and will inevitably be responsible for providing for his family and indirectly contributing to the economy of the country. It will more difficult for him to reap the benefits of his host country and repatriate his money back home if he is tied down.

Please MR racist Zulu boy, take that mind set back to the bundus in Kwazulu natal.

Can we keep to the topic. Let us please show the good and bad side of the country so that my people know what they are getting into.

In any case I am actually helping your course by showing this side of SA, it will discourage some from "flooding" into your shores.

MduZA:
so Nigerians are parading flashy cars in front of hungry people?...My man this thing of you coming to SA and locked yourself inside a flat in hilbrow made you clueless about SA and her people...your E class Mercedes can even be owned by people who dwell in rural areas... Its even embarrassing for me to engage about this nonsense...its like this Nigerian thing of competing about joysticks..

You simply are clueless about what I am referring to so please don't attempt to comment.

You didn't even get the context of the mention of a "2005 E class Mercedes." Please slow down read the comment and comprehend within its context....

Shikena!

MduZA:
there is no such thing,this guy is dreaming as usual...these guys enjoy beating their chests about rubbish...no organized business will ever succeed in front of a hostel except barber shops and shoe repairing ..besides why Nigerians are parading their fleshy cars in front of hostels...why dont they parade them in the suburbs?

Yes that is why your Former first lady agrees with me in her comment in the attached below


Please if anyone else wants to confirm what I said simply click on the video and listen to Graca machal comments starting from 58 mins:

I don't have time for people who want to block the truth out of sentimentality.

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LeSudAfricaine:
Well, the first one and the most persistant, that South Africans are jealous of Nigerians, that's a lot of cardboard BS!

Please read the signage of the little girl in that picture.

No where else in Africa have I ever seen a girl having to raise such a sign up. Not Ghana, Not Ivory Coast, no Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Tanzania, Kenya......and they know us far better than you do.

Like I said let us show all realities of South Africa and not the ones that just make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

LeSudAfricaine:
Well, the first one and the most persistant, that South Africans are jealous of Nigerians, that's a lot of cardboard BS!

You are either playing D.U.M.B or are one of those naïve type Black South Africans who works for Tiger brands and spends his weekends working out at the Virgin Active gym on William Nicol drive or maybe you are hidden away in one of those suburbs in Midrand or Pretoria east.

It is well known that for years Nigerians(specifically my flashy Igbo brothers) used to send Taxis to the Townships on weekends to pickup your girls and take them on shopping sprees, When the girls return and begin to lament about how their "Nigerian boyfriends" take care of them compared to their South African men who usually get them pregnant and disown the child, the men do not take these sentiments lightly.

Johanesburgs CBD has a lot of loitering jobless men from Alexandria, Diepsloot and other so called "slums". They also envy a lot of the Nigerians who are able to set up mechanic shops, restuarants, food shops and clubs in and around CBD, Yeoville and the likes. They are the only "Africans" that I have observed who chastise and look down upon their women for dating and marrying other black African men. It is so bad that South African women married to Nigerian men had to form an organization just to protect themselves from discrimination from their own. UNITED NIGERIAN WIVES OF SOUTH AFRICA

Please let us be real here. Your people have a problem they need to face.

PS please view the video attachment earlier and listen to your former first ladies comments... starting form 58: mins or simply gloss through comments on this facebook page


https://www.facebook.com/pages/United-nigerian-wives-in-south-africa/496395100396563

LeSudAfricaine:
It's not because of sensitivity, we don't want lies and half truths told about our country,

Point out my lies

LeSudAfricaine:
smh.... the op and the other lady SisterCaro who are Nigerians based in SA did exactly that, they helped the ones trying to go to SA by telling everyone the truth, the way things really are, by being positive and impartial, and what do you do? You come in with your usuall one sided nonsense and you spoil the thread, and now you have the nerve to tell me what I shoulld say and do?

I didn't spoil anything. I simply told another side of the story. Even the OP agreed with my comments.

You guys jumped in because of your sensitivity and started digressing.

LeSudAfricaine:
And yet white South Africans are the most worshiped on Niaraland

HAHAHAHAHA!

Who told you that nonsense.

White South Africans are the weirdest breed of White people I have ever encountered, disconnected from the rest of world stuck in their very peculiar ways.

Came across some of them while studying in the UK, even the Brits think they are weird. THe Afrikaaner ones at least.

LeSudAfricaine:
I find it interesting that black South Africans are equated with Xenophobia, have you asked yourself what other races in SA think of you guys

Doesnt' matter, we don't really interact with them or wish any solidarity with them. They suffer from the "RACE HIERARCHY" syndrome in Africa.

LeSudAfricaine:
I ask you again, Is it only Government officials and tenderpreneurs who drive flashy cars in SA,?

Are all working class, middle and upper class people in South Africa only Government officials and tenderpreneurs?

Please you need to stop playing st.U.P.id here.

PS...Stay on topic and give us more positive experiences and encounters you have had with Nigerians in South Africa so you can help these ones who are trying to go over there for greener pastures understand your hospitality.

Justwise is mean and will block your comments if you continue to digress.....

LeSudAfricaine:
There more you open your mouth, there more i'm convinced you know nothing about SA, people who drive flashy cars are only tenderpreneurs and government officials? you clearly have issues against South Africans

Test me!

LeSudAfricaine:
I'm thinking the same thing, how is that possible Mdu? Lol

Please refer to my previous response to Mdu

LeSudAfricaine:
I really do not need to watch something you nitpick on the net to satisfy your bitterness, it makes no difference
You have a very sKewed perception about SA, I don't know if it's deliberate.

I don't. I talk from experience......

Place hasn't changed since the last time I was there.

LeSudAfricaine:
Where are these successful Nigerians you guys keep going on and on about? Slew of shops and flashy cars? Ha ha ha, from where I stand I really don't see them, and I've been to many places in SA,

Of course you don't see them buying up pent houses in Sandton, Camps bay, Muizenberg and the likes. They are beyond your reach.

LeSudAfricaine:
While I do not deny that there are Nigerian professionals in SA, An average SA only sees and interact with the standindg in corner type of Nigerian, those are Nigerians we have the most in SA the unskilled ones, that's why i laugh when I hear people going on about jealousy. The professional Nigerian is few and far between they are to not enough to cause the supposed mass jealousy you think we have , We have our own successful people who drive flashy cars by the way

We know you have your BEE tenderpreneurs and your ANC comrades who are doing well and drive flashy cars. We are not talking about those ones. Don't take this personal. Its not a generalization.

LeSudAfricaine:
Contrary to popular belief, South Africans don't go about their day thinking about Nigerians, there a many immigrants in SA, get over yourselves

Do you think Nairaland users even represent 10% of the Nigerian population. Most Nigerians cannot even mention any city outside of Johannesburg.

Please!

Fulaman198:
I understand your sentiments very well bros. The issue I have with South Africans is that they attack other African nationalities, but when it comes to Greeks, Indians, Chinese, British, etc etc., they act like their slaves.

Not to digress from the topic at hand but if you want to get a lot more understanding you must study the history of the country in depth.

Right from the beginning of its founding from Jan van Reibeck to Paul Kruger down to PW Botha......Steve Biko

MduZA:
Nigerians parading flashy cars in front of hostel dwellers.....? Lol

Well you know to us a very well rebuilt 2005 Mercedes E class is considered a flashy car.


You guys rather like those VW and BMW's

However car is car in front of a hungry man no?

Fulaman198:
Thank you for this kind sir

Bros, all I am trying to do is equip Nigerians going to South Africa what they will expect when they get there.

Let me be clear again, I do not deny that there are Nigerians doing well in South Africa who are law abiding and hard working if they follow the correct path and follow the countries rules and I am friends with many of them, neither am I indicting all Black South Africans as XEnophobs.

LeSudAfricaine:
You're so hellbent in proving your negative theories that you end up contradicting yourself, One minute you say South Africans are envious of Nigerians, the next you say an average South African sees Nigerians as failed immigrants. Then how on earth are we envious of people who we see as failures? You seem not to know what you wanna say, let it go bro

Nice try. Please review context in DieVluit's comment again

The word "failed" was used to describe an unsuccessful event in trying to immigrate into South Africa.

How can you be envious of an immigrant who failed to enter your country?


You however can be envious of an immigrant who is successful when he makes it to South Africa.

PS. Let me be very clear on this. Not All South Africans are envious of Nigerians, that would be a stupid statement. However a Hostel dwelling South African in Kwazulu Natal who shares a room with like 20 people, wakes up in the morning and right infront of him is a slew of shops and run by Nigerians parading themselves in flashy cars and picking up women on the weekends would constitute your JEALOUS TYPE.

Clear enough for you!!!

Please listen to your first lady reiterate my very comments above. Start from Minute 58:

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LeSudAfricaine:
just to add on this, another thing I've realised is that many people tend to think, that white people are all rich and blacks are all poor, which is a very simplistic and narrow way of looking at things, or all black South Africans are lazy, babaric and uneduacted, and this most of the times comes form people who have never met or who have been to South Africa

StereoTypes are a terrible thing aren't they.

DieVluit:
I agree with you, LeSudAfricaine. Many foreigners stay in secluded social "enclaves" in South Africa and you find that they do not understand the country even after years of having been there. If you do not do your homework so that you can integrate yourself into the country, you will continue being seen as a foreigner. Part of the integration process is understanding the history and social fabric of the place.

You people keep jumping from one excuse to another, why not stay on one argument.

First it was Foreigners are taking your jobs

THen it was Foreigners were stealing your women

Then it was Foreigners are committing most of the crimes

NOW ITS FOREIGNERS ARE SECLUDING THEMSELVES AND DON"T WISH TO INTEGRATE.


What about the other foreign communities of Greeks, Jews, Chinese, Indians and the likes. Why do you not comment on them?

It is very natural for a community of people to group together and integration begins when the host community reaches out the foreign community in the form of cultural exchanges dialogues and the likes. A step your government is just taking now.

Please spare us the BS.

DieVluit:
MduZA, this dude is a failed immigrant. Maybe he was deported along with the yellow fever crowd that was deported from South Africa some years ago. He is bitter.

TO the average South African every Nigerian is a failed immigrant. Its that audacity that permeates your psyche because you live in box.

If you want to know what erks me watch the below video

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DieVluit:
Most Nigerians in South Africa are unskilled Igbos who have no choice but to engage in the drug trade. It's an undeniable fact.

What is undeniable is the miscontrued perception that 90% of Nigerians in South Africa are drug dealers.

Estimated Nigerian population in South Africa 400,000 to 500,000

90% drug dealers........360,000 to 450,000.

We don't make up 10% of the immigrant population in that country.


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DieVluit:
Just a slight correction. Bedfordview is east of Johannesburg. It's on the East Rand. And Nigerians who want to have an easier time in South Africa would do well to actually study and understand the history and values of the country, because it is possible to stay in South Africa for years and to be a perpetual outsider. Lots of misinformed posts here, some from Nigerians in South Africa. If you do not do your homework and make sure you understand your hosts, you cannot expect them to embrace you.
On that topic, you could start by understanding what South Africans mean when they talk about "the Rand". The "East Rand". "The West Rand". "Witwaters-rand". "Rand Water". "Ten Rand". What does all that mean? Where does it come from? What makes South Africa tick? Etc. If you are only trying to learn about the country based on what you can suck out of it, for yourself, you will be rejected.

The regular BS.

You people just want people who come to your shores to lick your azzes that pretty much it.

justwise:
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This is not derailing, things you need to know before going to SA should include area not to visit else you be attacked by some uneducated animals.

My point exactly.

SisterCaro:
if you didnt make it while staying in SA without proper papers it doesnt mean that those who use legit means wont make it.
There are many foreign doctors, entreprenuers, engineers, accountants etc. that have made it without much hustle.

I hope you are referring to the so called semi skilled who troop to South Africa in search of green pastures and not me directly.

If you follow this thread you will notice that most of the Nigerians looking for information about how to survive in South Africa are of the semi skilled type. They will usually overstay their invites and try to melt into the informal sector congregating in areas popularly inhabited by Nigerians in South Africa but will face Xenophobia and discrimination a lot more because even though they try to etch out a living they will be lumped together and refered to as "drug dealers" where ever they go.

Your so called doctors, accountants, engineers e.t.c are either transferred to SA from their companies, are well to do and can afford to finish their studies in SA universities as professional graduates and secure jobs or have enough money they brought over to invest in good start ups. These ones are not so likely to encounter your Xenos though they will experience some form of Xeno during their stay in the country.

Please no sugar coating.

PAINGAIN:
dude forget about that embassy stats. That's laughable. In joburg alone I bet u there r more than 300 thousand nigerians. I bet u, we have almost one million nigerians here in SA

You can bet all you want my friend but because most Nigerians are concentrated in urban areas and you see a lot of them at one time doesn't mean they are that many in a country that boasts 40 million Black South Africans. South Africans know how many visas they process in Nigeria and how many people they let through into their borders.

98% of Nigerians fly into that country and the remaining use land borders. The are only estimated to be about 5 million foreigners in South Africa. Zimbabwe makes up about 3 million, SADC about 1 million and the rest of Africa the remaining 1 million.

Stop peddling false stats about 90% of Nigerians are drug dealers because you see a lot of them concentrated in one are.

Centrifude:
No you don't have life outside of your computer dude!!!

says the Xenophobic South African.

Centrifude:
No offence but I think you've been spending too much time on the internet mate.

My lifestyle affords me this luxury and please do not even mention Yahoo Yahoo boy in your response. I am far far from that!

Centrifude:
This is a Public Forum.

This planet is a free planet as well!

Did you create it?

PAINGAIN:
that's bcus 90 percent of nigerians here are into selling of drugs,some out of frustration bcus of lack of job opportunities,no money, etc. I work for department of justice here in SA, 98 percent of court cases nigerians answer to are drug related and that is in almost every court house in SA everyday. So that's why naija people r termed drug lords. Its not an accusation, its reality.

Lets just do a little statistics here see how factual your numbers are. You say 90% of Nigerians in SA sell drugs based on your extrapolation from 98% Nigerian drug related cases in SA.

Estimated number of Nigerians in South Africa based on Consulate estimates.....about 400,000+

Take 90% of 400,000 this means that at total of number of 360,000 Nigerians in south Africa are drug dealers, pimps and the likes.


Do you see how st.upid that looks. If there were 360,000 so called drug dealers, pimps and the likes and lets say 30% had court cases,ti would mean that your justice department would be dealing with handling at least 100,000 cases of drug related crimes committed by Nigerians.

Lets say about 70% are prosecuted while 30% are able to slip through system, this would mean about 70,000 drug dealers are lavishing in SA African prisons.

This would lead me to believe that the SA government are not very smart seeing that the amount spent on a per person Nigerian in jail is more of a burden on their tax system that it would cost to just simply round them up and deport them.

Hmmm not very smart.


Please revise you stats!