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paniki: Nigerians who learn the map are most likely to be taught to recite all the countries that are visa free for Nigerians - easy learning because the list is not that long.

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paniki: Don't feel bad about the fraudster/peddler misconception. Any reasonable person can accept that the average Nigerian is an upstanding citizen who doesn't engage in illegal activities just like any reasonable person can accept that the average South African not a xenphobe. But I let you call South Africans xenophobic so please allow me to call Nigerian fraudsters and drug pushers.

Always apologizing

Imagine the audacity....You let me call South Africans xenophobic!. As if you can stop me.

nora544: That is very good what south africa make because it is the same what we make here in europa when a person with fever and he just come from a country with ebola the best is to test him and put him for some hours in isolation.
When Nigeria had make this when Ebola starts in West africa no Ebola where in Nigeria.

Which kind grammar you dey speak

Kai!

braine: Whatever suits them.

They are taking pre-cautions. Fear don enter their body no be small.

Cape Town - Cabinet has issued a travel ban for non-South Africans from Ebola infested countries, Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi said on Thursday.

He said South Africans coming from such West African countries would be questioned, and medically examined if need be.

The announced was made during Cabinet's fortnightly meeting and comes after a few false alarms of suspected cases in South Africa


http://traveller24.news24.com/News/Alerts/SA-issues-Ebola-travel-ban-20140821-2

paniki: Spare me the pretense. Nigerians are all-round fraudsters, you even fake silly things like having knowledge of capital cities while we know that the majority of Naijas have no clue of the SA capital, they most likely think that it's Hillbrow.

Standard geography class in Nigeria. You must be able to recite all the countries and capital cities in West, Central and east Africa before you get to SS1.

You MUST GO visit Naija, go to Sokoto, Kaduna, Cross river, Akwa ibom, Abuja, Kogi, e.t.c and see millions on millions of young hard working entrepreneurs and dispel that fraudster fallacy.

On the contrary, We are aware you guys are still dealing with the history of "Jan van Riebeeck" in school. Don't deny it.

Below the making of a nigerian mogul and a South African female fraudster!


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paniki: Most Africans know little about Africa including Nigerians.

There goes the SA apologist again?

Speak for your country men who can't even name more than 2 African capitals including Gaborone and Harare!

They will probably still claim capital of Nigeria is Lagos!

Eisshh!

magubane: NIGERIAN >

#what is africa

This one is very true!

paniki: The illeist in you has once again come out. It usually makes an appearance as a last ditch attempt to rescue you wounded ego. It's a lot like using monkey tested medicine to treat a not yet curable illness - in this case it's your delusions of grandeur.
Morpheus should not decipher for this feeble mind of mine, Morpheus should rather stop paying lip service to phoney ideas of Pan-Africanism when he very well knows that he is a closet xenophobe.

Xenophobe reserved for South Africans. I am in no fear of any foreigner. There aren't any in my country to be fearful of.

Does my grasp of the inner workings of your society drive you crazy?

Morpheus says " come with me let me show you how deep the rabbit hole goes"

paniki: It's well known in debating circles that ad hominems are used by the defeated. Anyway, your desire for national pride inadvertently reveals your xenophobic tendencies. Imagine the hypocrisy of a South African preaching unity among Africans and yet demanding that Nigerians should leave SA to go pride themselves in a dirty slum of Lagos because it's home. Try again.

It is also well known in debating circles that "straw man arguments" are used to sway away from the original argument being addressed.

Imagine a Liberian with a Yoruba mother demanding that Kanuri's who live in the border states of Borno state leave the country based on ethnic tensions in the north.

Must Morpheus always decipher for the feeble minded.

Ask and you shall get clarification.

Try harder!

BluIvy: Your mama is slow. Read what you wrote there again and leave the emotions aside and see it makes anysense. Jou Morphy!

Read, it . Nothing wrong with it. You must point to the inconsistencies if you need further clarification caused by your dyslexia.

BluIvy: Told you! Besides why does he think he has a right to dictate how South Africa relate with different countries? Why is he so pained by the fact that I am a Motswana with South African ties. He insist that I abandon my maternal ties and stick to my paternal country. For his information I love Botswana with passion and it is a few hours drive away from SA. I can never totally be away from home, its impossible.

You are a slow poke Ms Motswana, How is commenting or expressing an opinion on a "Nigerian" forum about illegal immigrant issues or ethnic ties "DICTATING" to South Africa how it relates to neighboring countries.


You guys down south have complex issues. Obvious after effects of long term isolation from the rest of the continent.

Eissh!

paniki: One moment moffie justifies his infatuation with SA by saying that he is African and by that viture he finds himself duty-bound to have puppy love for all things African, with a strong focus on all things South African. He also now says that Africans should be "proud of their nationalities" that were artificially carved out by imperialist from an all together different continent. Bipolar tendencies.

The South African apologist at work again.

1. Please do not mis-represent, mis-quote or mis-interpret "outside of its context", passed statements made in other threads in a feeble attempt to advance this one. Ask if you need further clarification.



2. Apparently bantu education has forced you to reason that a display of "Pan-Africanism" and a comment on "national pride" are mutually exclusive ideologies in the African context.




Shem!

ugsams: Thanks for your comment. Yes, I meant benefit and I deliberately asked for the benefits of marrying a South African lady because I have my reasons. Yes, citizenship can be part of it, at least I will be entitled to it if I later get married to this lady and remained married for the required duration of which I know that I will remain married to her if we end up as couples.
I asked my questions in order to balance the opinions I have received from close sources which is highly on the negative. These negative opinions include that SA women are troublesome, that people of her tribe usually don't like their children to be taken away and will definitely want me to settle down in SA. These are just few and there many other negative opinions that I wouldn't want to disclose because they are more like a common stereotype. Some of these I can handle and I also believe that there is always an exception in every case.
Some of us are realist and won't even compromise in issues like love. In life there are the advantages and disadvantages of every decision we take. So if I chose to ask of the benefits I really have my reasons. It's more like doing a feasibility study and I will never go ahead to do anything that I know will offer me more of negatives than positive. Please i look forward to more contributiona.

Guy, you must be careful with Southie girls, the luv the exhibit in the beginning stages must remain suspect. Their family values are not very strong. They are quite loose and are prone to sleeping around even after marriage. Southie don't like leaving their country and are not adventurous O.

On the flip side pray this girl is more Sotho that she is Xhosa. Sotho people tend to be less troublesome compared to Xhosa or Zulu girls.

I go marry Congolese girl before I marry Southie chick o!

to be forewarned is to be fore armed.

BluIvy: What's wrong with you lately? Are you on something? Your arguments are off base and incoherent lately. Aaaarg, even for you.

They are too fast for you to comprehend, which is why you have been deemed "slow"

BluIvy: Yeah, especially to people who would rather look for loopholes in other countries' laws than fix their country. And they say they are.had working when there's dirt every where in their doorsteps that no one cares to sweep.

I can only speak for myself. I am in my country fixing it.

You must tell all those Saffer immigrants in Australia, New Zealand, UK, Canada to come back and fix their country too, especially those big booty Saffer nurses I see in the UK all the time.

THEY MUST GO BEK!

BluIvy: Let me tell you, though the SA government is gearing up to be very hard on its immigration policy and are putting billions to police and monitor for the next five years so you better do something and stop complaining about everyone and everything except some of you people who have created
the image you adorn.

When has this ever stopped migrants from moving from one place to the other. for every law enacted, there is a loop hole.

BluIvy: Mtscweeeeew! I can see now I am dealing with a teenage mentality. You do not have to lie to protect your fragile Naija pride. Haba!
And that's Naija till you die statements is embarrassing and juvenile at best. How were you suppose to be something else except Nigerians? Smfdh!

Me complain, I actually welcome the beef. its good for competition.

Morpheus says .."you do not truly know someone until you fight them"

BluIvy: The irony of what you have said is "most of them are not educated". For your information only 2% of Nigeria in South Africa are educated and in the legal employment the rest are illiterates who are roaming around selling God knows what.

Where are you getting those fabricated numbers from?. Like they say perception is indeed reality for daft people.

BluIvy: The truth is for some reason Southern African countries especially South Africa has attracted the worst of Nigeria's crop. Loud, chest beating, not law abiding and tend to insult and undermine their host which is something that even the South Western of Nigeria seem to be experiencing.
I pray South Africa gets this right as they are the leaders in our Southern African block so we need them to have balls of steel and curb this lunacy. Thank you!

Shows how slow you are. If you haven't figured out why the inflow of Nigerian immigrants are of the low breed kind then travel a little more and open your eyes. The smart, middle class Nigerians know their worth and would rather export their skills to first world countries where they would benefit financially and repatriate the dollars back home, as opposed to suffering much of the same marginalization, tribalism and XENOPHOBIA inherent in post Apartheid South Africa.... sorry...... "Southern" Africa still dealing with the systematic remnants of the old regime...., which is why you are left with the very desperate, unskilled and semi- literate ones who will do anything to get out of Nigeria be it North to Libya, Morroco, across the sea to Italy or down South to the left over inherited "white" driven economy of the South.

educate yourself will ya!.

BluIvy: You are all over the shore Morphy
Anyways I doubt very much if any sane people of a country would want to be associated with Nigeria. You people are the walking dead, logic is a luxury to you. On the hand, yes we in Southern Africa especially, Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland and South Africa,we know we are family. Now take that! Mind you Botswana is a great country Gdp, development, employment, education etc. Only a foooo would be ashamed of being associated with the best story of Africa. Self made by the way.

All this doesn't change the fact that you are Motswana and must GO BEK! to The land your father's fought for to make a country. That whole we are family argument doesn't fly. I can as well draw on the relationship bantu's have all across east and southern Africa and link that to Nigeria if we wanna go there.

Again in case you are hard of hearing:

Case in point: Hausa people are in Niger, Nigeria, Chad, Cameroon and Ghana. They are culturally, linguistically and ethnically related, in other words they are FAMILIY, but they are proud of their nationalities. You don't see them swapping allegiance

BluIvy: Not at all! Also know I speak Xhosa and Setswana. Consoles blend in because they are not loud and are respectful to their hosts.

By loud, do you mean assertive cause I know Nigerians are no push overs and did not come to SA to come and lick any Black saffers azz as they so wish.

[quote author= BluIVy]You are fvcken kidding right? Who did not seek political solutions to colonialism from colonize A small country like ours was not an exception and if we were cowards what were Nigerians in their numerous numbers being totally owned by Britain? You are in deed ***A BLOODY AGENT****. What's this your response suppose to even serve? Argggg
Well, my coutry is one of the African success stories thank you and we are quietly developing to greater rights, that is not even a question in sane climes, THANK YOU! nigeria on the other side? Mmmmmm well story for the gods.[/quote]The point is to show you are a MOTSWANA, your father's people negotiated your nationality and expects that you stay in BOTSWANA, instead of looking for the same opportunities the ZIms and other African nationals are seeking in SA.

Stop deceiving us with a GDP divided into 1.5 million people to get a relatively higher per capita number in comparison to most African countries otherwise you would be enjoying this higher per capita income and there would be no need for you to cross the borders.

Case in point: Hausa people are in Niger, Nigeria, Chad, Cameroon and Ghana. They are proud of their nationalities. You don't see them hiding under the cloak of we are all West Africans so lets hop skip and jump around cause we have linguistic affinities, like your deceptive "Southern African" slogan you like to toss around in a bid to ALIGN yourself with South Africa


When you head back to Botswana to go enjoy that high GDP per capita, come talk to me and we'll talk about all those Nigerians who couldn't make their way to better economies and discuss how they should be repatriated from SA.

BluIvy: I said you pretend to know, not you know. Get your facts right. Who doesn't know that Ndebele's from South Africa? You think you've said something new but you didn't. How many Ndebele's in Zimbabwe? And I have answered you on ancestral ties claims.
WTF, is it with you guys and this term"industrious"? Nigeria is anything but industrious! So do you even manufacture anything for exports or for your own domestic use? You are just like bloody locusts that consumes and import for consumption? What industries do you have that are exclusively or majorly Nigerian? Except drugs, 419, etc? Please that is the lamest response from you so far. By the way 90%-99% of Nigerians in SA are just good for nothing pests. Industrious my ample backside. Nigeria is a big DISORDERLY COUNTRY WHERE NOTHING WORKS REALLY, and that's a fact!
All countries have have treaties and ties they develop with other countries, based on politics, ancestral, religious, or any other and its their right to relate and deal with different countries as they wish. E.g. You cannot tell US how to deal with Israeli they chose to support Israel based on whatever convictions. Secondly, all countries haves certain quotas set aside for each countries to ensure a healthy foreign policy to all, so SA cannot absorb all of Zimbabwe I say this again, as they will start to encroach into other countries quotas. Zimbabweans need to go home and fix their country they cannot for ever be hiding in SA. that would further ruin what is left of Zimbabwe. Nothing tribalist about that. BY THE WAY IF YOU CAN READ PROPERLY MR PSA NEVER MENTIONED ZIMBABWE BUT NIGERIA. He said "we know nothing about Nigeria" And practically careless about you people. Why try to bring in Zimbabwe into this and not speak against his mention of Nigeria?
And once again who puts you in place to speak for Zimbabwans?
I think you are the one who is simplistic and at best daft, Botswana have healthy neighbourly and brotherly relations with SA. We do not travel out in huge numbers and are the least of SA's problems, so according to you we should be given the same treatment as Zimbabwe who have lately constituted a huge burden to the SA government? You really are daft. By the way please stop trying to take us to 14th & 15th centuries when it comes to SA, we have now all settled and have chosen our countries, we will not allow disorderlyness to avoid words like, tribalists,Xenophobia etc, that is total crapp.Zimbabweman's are the most accommodated lot in SA right now.
Please, get off your fvcken high horse bloody narccississt! How many of your politicians have forged their qualifications? Do you even ever care to look at that now you act all sanctormonoius. The guy resigned, without any lobbying, which is something a Nigerian would never do if found in the same situation. By the way Pallo Jordan, is doing this in his country Nigerians need to go and do all this in their own enclaves and see who the he'll will care?
You are fvcken kidding right? Who did not seek political solutions to colonialism from colonize A small country like ours was not an exception and if we were cowards what were Nigerians in their numerous numbers being totally owned by Britain? You are in deed ***A BLOODY AGENT****. What's this your response suppose to even serve? Argggg
Well, my coutry is one of the African success stories thank you and we are quietly developing to greater rights, that is not even a question in sane climes, THANK YOU! nigeria on the other side? Mmmmmm well story for the gods.

yep

paniki: That's correct. The only way to prove otherwise is to show evidence of Ndebele from Zim being ostracised. There aren't that many Ndebele people around anyway and most of them end up speaking Zulu in anycase cause the languages are almost identical.

Look, I don't conjour stuff up when I make statements and your apologist stance is not flying. My time at limpopo made me very much aware of tribal issues surrounding the ar descendants of Shoshangane, Mzilikazi and Zwangendaba clans who are Tsonga, Ndebele and Zambia/malawi respectively. Yes we know your 11 official languages in South Africa include two of these groups but please don't try to slip the fact that many of them were and are still considered foreigners despite the shared tribal affinities.

paniki: What you must understand is that language is what unites or divides. So if you as a Naija were fluent in Zulu/Xhosa or Sotho/Tswana then everyone in SA will consider you local.

I wish that were true but seeing that the son of a congolese man and a South african woman who ends up speaking fluent zulu is looked upon as a foreigner in the eyes of locals,I doubt your statment very much so.

paniki: Most Shonas from Zim quickly learn Zulu because it's related to Shona and they all fit in easily afterwards.
If you were clued up as you would like us to think you would know that most of those killed in 2008 were asked questions in one of the local languages and if they couldn't answer back then they were revealled to be foreign and they got attacked.

Right because most of them didn't all confluence themselves in certain sections of the townnship and wouldn't be easily identifiable by locals regardless of the ability to speak local languages.

LOVEMORE SIBANDA sure got away with being beat up because he switched from Ndebele to Zulu!!. HA Whackhead is hilarious

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BluIvy: Very true! Cape Town has less number of Nigerians than Joburg, but has a lot of Somalia, Pakistan, and poorly Zimbabwe and Congolese. Also Congolese blend easier and are not known for all the bad stuff that are associated with Nigerians.

Who do congolese blend with, Xhosa people?

By blend do you mean get along?

As a Motswana do you feel discriminated against in capetown?

paniki: LOL, that's a really funny comment. I've grown tired of correcting your misconceptions of South Africa. I have once told you that the majority of Zimbabweans are Shona and that the minority Ndebele blend in with the South Africa Ndebele without difficulty so it's difficult to discern if they are foreign. Like I have told you before, there is no evidence that Ndebele from Zim, Batswana from Bots, Swatis from Swaziland and Basotho from Lesotho ever get ostracised in SA. That's because they blend in.
But being so obsessed about another country will understandably lead you to believe that you know more about it than its citizens.

Point 1. So from the above statement we are to understand that the ethnic xenophobia is channeled at "Shona" Zimbabweans as opposed to ndebele Zimbabweans. Right, right!

Point 2. I guess now I can also use this glorious epiphany to understand why for a long time the minority "venda" people were almost considered makwerekwere's or not "real" South africans once upon a time because their language is not widely spoken in SA.

Please! spare me that dribble.

BluIvy: Get with the program will you? If you are going to pretend to know everything about SA. For your info South Africa is not a disorderly country like Nigeria. There are many illegal immigrants from Zimbabwe who should go back home and apply the right way to be in SA. The number of legal immigrants from Zimbabwe in SA is twice the number of Botswan's population. There a significantly high number of citizenship given to Zimbabwans based in ancestral ties to South Africa be it Ndebele's and Xhosa's who settled in Zimbabwe. You cannot ask SA to absorb the whole population of Zimbabwe that is madness. I think they have and are doing enough already on that regard. Please next time talk on behalf of the drug dealing, pimping, fraudulant Nigerian Gigolos and leave Southern Africans alone.
****BLOODY AGENT!!! ********
(in Juju's voice!)

Point 1: Everybody always accuses me of knowing everything about SA, yet at the end of the day no one says the information I am giving is incorrect. Hmmmmm?

Point 2: In response to your comment on disorderly countries I could as well argue the following,"the average South African is not as industrious as the average Nigerian." Pointless either way as just like your claim, adds nothing relevant to the discussion.

Point 3: As I have stated earlier, every country has a right to protect its borders, however the point made by MR. PSA is quite daft concerning ethnic ties btwTswana people across both borders as I showed is as well possible in the same case as ndebele ZImbabweans. Why then the tribalism

Point 4. Your point on the number of Zimbabweans outnumbering the number of Botswana and therefore the justification for protecting the inflow of migrants into South Africa from Botswana and the opposition of Zimbabweans is at best simplistic and at worst just daft. If you want we can discuss the glaring variables that have caused the dispersion of peoples across borders in southern Africa and how this has determined nationality.

Point 5. I will never be against deporting, imprisoning, sentencing or punishing any suspected or captured drug dealer, love-vendor or fraudster (including your parliamentarian diploma fraudster Pallo Jordan). Please lobby the SA government to take action against that. Don't you have enough clout to do this MS MOtswana


Point 6. A Motswana like yourself has no right to use the catch prase.."BLOODY AGENT" as your cowardly king and elders sort protection from the same British government surpressing your brothers in SA for protection against the the encroaching CEcil RHodes.


Take your SENSITIVE MOTswana azz back to the streets of Gaborone and go build your father's country instead of running to SA to claim your mothers citizenship, bloody tribalist xenophob!

mamarika: Facts from the minister of health my foot,facts on the internet Απϑ media but outrightly doiing nothing,ℓ̊ wish they do all they say ,ℓ̊ would be happy if they were doing but № they only work on. Media.in a sane country government are absolutely best but in a country filled with lies Απϑ deceit where people wants power'money Απϑ fame Απϑ nobody wants to do any work ,,hmmm ℓ̊ fear what is best here.
Now for your information that nurse who first died was allowed home as usual after wrk Απϑ am sure it was so with others too who worked on that day .she took ill in her house last Sunday before she was taken with an ambulance on Monday by some WHO persons after the family. called to say she was ill.now tell me was she or anyone supposed τ̅☺ be allowed home?
Allowing the liberian into this country was the greatest nightmare of Nigerian.as Nigeria Απϑ our corrupt system cannot curb this spread.We are in deep trouble this country people especially in a situation like this where people do nothing Απϑ lie to its populace on the media .ℓ̊ would have beleived all these lies if ℓ̊ don't know the family first hand .it Ȋ̝̊̅§ dawn τ̅☺ ♍ε̲̣̣̣̥ that this country is in trouble"

@ Mamirika

I happen to know this familly as well and can confirm your story is true. I wil lnot reveal the nurses name but can tell you her name starts with and "E",just know I know the family as well.

Please if you are in direct contact with the rest of the family, inform them to stay vigilant for the next four weeks and quarantine themselves so they do their part in curbing this vicious disease. There are children involved here.

PS, Nairalanders, your government is ill equiped to responde rapidly to this outbreak and i suspect there will be more secondary cases that will come up in the next several months. Nigeria needs to brace herself for this problem for the next 6 months to 1 year to fully say we are out of the red.

MrPSA: South africa and botswana is one thing, we share language and calture with botswana, we know nothing about nigeria culture. Setswana is one of south africa official language, marrying our poor sa girl doesn't make you sa'n. The batswana people will remain part of us forever. Stop insulting our Girl Pls.

The Zimbabwean (Ndebele) people are also very much offshoots of the Zulu people so much so that their languages are quite similar in the same manner Xhosa is to Zulu. All Nguni languages.

Why are you chasing them out too.

***Thats RACIST!***** in malema voice!

In my studies of African history, I often come across certain situations in my continents history that begs additional pondering on why certain situations occured the way they did.

This brought me to Liberia's history. A country never colonized and founded by a group of the African American settlers. It is a known fact that a lot of African Americans often resent the Africans for selling them off to the new world thereby facilitating or at least culpable as co- conspirators in the acts that befell them in the new world.

In looking at Liberia's history I see that when the roles were reversed the AA's did the same things and even worse to the native indigenous populations that they shared the country with so much so that they adopted the same draconian and racial attitudes towards the native population up until the assasination of President Tolbert by the Samuel Doe. I have often believed that till now this power play is still in effect in Liberia being that Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and even the sinister Charles Taylor are "technically" of the same stock as the Americo-Liberians.

Comments are welcome by AA's, Liberians and Nigerians on how they view what this history.