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mmark12: MOSTHIGH IS MOSTLY HIGH ON HIS DRUGS

mmark12: A DRUNK, FRAUD, FAKE, HYPOCRITE QUOTING BIBLE. ABEG GO W*** yourself

mmark12: if a man want the destruction of his fellow man via WW3 instead of his salvation then he/she is should stop preaching about jesus returning or born again because its hypocritical on a bibical scale, F*** Y**

mmark12: JESUS HAS RETURNED

OOPS APRIL FOOL

mmark12: BLAH BLAH BLAH.

DUMBER AND DUMBER talking. dont worry the meek will soon inherit the earth.

Armageddon Armageddon obadiah and most high are the lowest of the low. you claim to be born again and look at what you talking about males in communal showers. u are nothing but ass holes. DUFUS

mmark12: I am here to announce that WW3 Armageddon are began

Russia few hrs ago launched about 3000 strategic nukes to cities in EU and America. US,UK and France have just launched a counter-attack with cruise and trident missiles targeting Russian cities and its allies in the mid east and Asia.


China was just sitting on the sideline and all of a sudden India launched its Short range nuclear missiles targeting Chinese cities. China and Pakistan vex and launched their nukes in retaliation for India;s provocation. India launch some missiles to Pakistan for not minding their business.

Israel has nuked the whole mid east for attacking them in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973.

GUESS WHAT MY FELLOW NAIRALANDERS OBADIAH 777 & MOST HIGH ARE SOO HAPPY WITH THESE DESTRUCTIONS AND THEY ARE ALREADY HAVING WET DREAMS BECAUSE SOON THE MEEK WILL INHERIT THE EARTH

status reports
(1)causalities: 1 billion
(2)Obadiah 777 & Most high still waiting to inherit a destroyed planet, wet dream continues and soo happy they fellow mankind are dead from nukes becos they will soon inherit the earth
(3) wait point of correction obadiah and most high are dead due to fallout of the nuclear war
(4) the whole continent is covered with debris, hunger, disease ravage the whole world

Bidam: You also should continue in your lawlessness.Just to borrow the phrase of mosthigh "child of the little horn"

obadiah777: well you know in the military they have communal showers for men ? maybe thats why he wants to join.

obadiah777: why are you so obsessed with this gay issue ? sound to me like you are a repressed homo-thug

mmark12: are u stupid or slow or both.

use a dictionary or may be your ww3 Armageddon church havent taught u how to use one.

mmark12: CRY CRY BABY I WANT TO SEE YOUR MUMMY

I would rather take an advice from a dog than from a low life WW3 Armageddon seeker like you

my British army career status is none of your business.

@Mosthigh you should have kept it private and not discussed it with a billion people

[b][/b]what a bunch of hypocrites.these so called preachers like MOST HIGH are nothing but slugs. they will preach born again and bible prophecy bullshit and then insult you.

@mosthigh dont know what your talking about here

YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A FRAUD, LOW LIFE SLUD HYPORCRITES. Bible prophecy is a myth and devil will reject you at the last day

mmark12: OH THATS SOO FUNNY, YOUR MUMMY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOURDADDY JUST BJ

obadiah777: there is a time to cry and a time to laugh. a time for war and a time for peace. what you are preaching ? thaat time is over. this is judgement period. you sir are not measuring the times diligently. look around you. look at syria ( isaiah chapter 17 ). then the syria situation will spread to iran and then ww3. the lord has sealed all those he wants in their foreheads. now its time for destruction.

currently we are at the sixth seal, fifth and sixth vial, sixth trumpet. we are waiting on the 777

DrummaBoy: Here Copeland makes it absolutely clear that the price had to be paid by suffering beyond the cross.This means he had no victory at the cross but he lost and it was victory 3 days later in Hell.

"The Devil forgot to take into consideration that Jesus hadn’t sinned Himself but, rather, had merely become sin as a result of the sin of others." (Kenneth Copeland, What Happened from the Cross to the Throne 1990 audio tape #02-0017, side 2.)


"... Jesus died two deaths. He died physically and He died spiritually. When Jesus was made to be sin, He was separated from God... When His blood poured out, it did not atone. It did away with the handwriting of the ordinances that were against us... Jesus spent three horrible days and nights in the bowels of this earth getting back for you and me our rights with God..." (doctrinal statement dated March 12, 1979)

Hagin denies unequivocally the "finished work on the cross. "Hagin states "He (Jesus) tasted spiritual death for every man. And his spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? PHYSICAL DEATH WOULDN’T REMOVE YOUR SINS. He tasted death for every man. He’s talking about spiritual death." (how Jesus obtained his name tape # 44HO1 side 1)


Copeland repeats his mentor by saying "The death of Jesus Christ was not a physical death alone. If it had been a physical death, Abel would have paid the price for mankind. He was the first man that died because of honoring God and His Word. If it had been a physical death only, it wouldn't have worked! And if He hadn't died spiritually, that body never would have died." (What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)


According to these new revelators Christianity has been mistaken for almost 1900 years. To put the redemption before or after the cross makes this another Gospel. It denies the sufficiency of the sacrifice. It was crucial that Jesus was sacrificed on that day at that hour in that way. If it occurred any other time it would not have been accepted by the Father.If Jesus became a sinner (actually worse to take the very nature of Satan) then he would need redemption. But he couldn't redeem himself since he was no longer the unblemished lamb but sinful. Neither could he redeem any of us. If Jesus actually became sin as claimed then he no longer is an unblemished sacrifice Deut.15:21 tells us if any sacrifice had a fault or blemish it was not accepted.


All the animals chosen for the sin offering were types of Christ, according to Lev. 4:3, it was a bull without defect; Lev. 4:23, a goat without defect; Lev. 4:32, a lamb without defect. They were all carefully inspected for any spot or blemish. In 1 Cor. 5:7, Jesus was the Paschal Lamb. As a substitutional sacrifice in the scapegoat motif the one who offered up the sacrifices would place his hand on the animal, signifying a symbolic transfer of sin and guilt (Lev. 4:4, 24,33) The sacrifice became the covering for the sin, God looked on the blood not the sin itself. Isa. 53:6 "...and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all" It was the Father who laid his hand on Christ to be judged in our place. The sacrificial animal did not become sin itself, sin was symbolically charged to it, if it became blemished or in this case sin, it was worthless.


So If Jesus became sin or a demoniac (having the nature of Satan) God could not accept it, he would be a sinful offering. The Bible has a different story 1 Pt.1:19 tells us he was without blemish or defect on the cross. Lev.6:25 tells us the sin offering was most holy before God (not most sinful). Christ did not become sin itself, (2 Cor.5:21)" became" (in the Greek Metonym) means became a sin offering not became sin himself he was a vicarious atonement, he suffered in our place and took our penalty of judgment. In the OT typology the priest would lay his hands on the offering to symbolize the transfer of his sin and guilt. Jesus was the sin bearer , he carried it, not became it.


They replace Jesus saying, "Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit," With their theology of , "Satan, into your hands I commend My spirit." (temporarily, until he's born again)


When Jesus died he dismissed his own Spirit showing he had control something a mere man or a demon could not. He gave his spirit over to the Father not to Satan. he cried it is finished not it is continued. The veil of the Temple was ripped open immediately showing that God the father accepted his Sons work and it was completed, making the way open to all Heb.10


How can he be forgiven of being sinful in his nature. The faith teachers have the solution but its no better than what has already occurred, it progresses to even worse.


1 Cor. 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. If Christ became sin itself and went to hell to be tortured that means he is accursed. So this proves it is not revelation from the true Spirit of God but another Spirit. Heb.9:14 disagrees with Copelands conversations with God, these revelations are not from the Lord we love and serve but from someone who has a lot less respect.



Here's more from our Modern Gnostics spiritual propaganda. A reborn Jesus in Hell, suffering in Hell, paying our debt in Hell, all from new revelation knowledge.


"Satan and all the demons of hell thought that they had Him bound and they threw a net over Jesus and they dragged Him down to the very pit of hell itself to serve our sentence." (F. Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger, Newsletter Crenshaw Christian Centre, Inglewood, CA. June 1980, p.7)


"That Word of the living God went down into that pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before." ("The Price of it All," Believer's Voice of Victory (September 1991)


Jesus was not tortured by Satan in hell. First of all Satan isn't in Hell and he has no intention of going there, and he certainly doesn't rule there (maybe they have been listening to too much heavy metal music). Yet he will be confined there with a lot of company. Any demons that are there are under lock and key (chains of darkness) they are not roaming free to torture everyone and check back in for a good nights sleep. Read 2 Pt.2:4 and Jude 6, besides Satan is not in control of Hell Jesus is. The only thing that should go to Hell is this atrocious doctrine of theirs.


So how does Jesus escape the torture of his enemies who now have victory over him?


"He [Jesus] was literally being reborn before the devil's very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles.... Jesus was born again-the firstborn from the dead the Word calls Him-and He whipped the devil in his own backyard. He took everything he had away from him. He took his keys and his authority away from him." (p. 4-6.)


"It is important for us to realize that a born again man defeated Satan....Colossians 1:18 refers to Jesus as the firstborn from the dead....He was the first man to be reborn under the new covenant." K. Copeland, "Jesus our Lord of Glory": 3 )


There is hardly a difference between what Copeland does to this passage and the Jehovah's Witnesses, both twist it beyond recognition. Notice he changes firstborn to reborn. The Greek word for firstborn (prototokos), has nothing to do with a new birth in the spirit but means primacy and pre-eminence in ruling It explains Christ's supremacy over all creation as the first resurrected eternal man as Rev.1:5 states the firstborn from the dead and ruler over the kings of the earth.In col.1:18"the firstborn from the dead , that in all things. He may have preeminence (his rightful place as the sovereign Lord.)


"Why did He (Jesus) need to be begotten, or born? Because He became like we were: separated from God. Because He tasted spiritual death for every man....Jesus was the first person that was ever born again." (K. Hagin, How Jesus Obtained His Name, Tulsa: Rhema)


Jesus is privileged to be the first born of many brethren, and they do mean "born again."


"Jesus ... was raised up a born-again man ... The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited ...!" (Believer's Voice of Victory , September, 1991)


Why would this excite anyone? Well here's the answer . "The Spirit of God spoke to me and He said, ‘Son, realize this. Now follow me in this and don’t let your tradition trip you up.’ He said, ‘Think this way—a twice-born man whipped Satan in his own domain.’ And I threw my Bible down…. I said, ‘What?’ He said, ‘A born-again man defeated Satan, the firstborn of many brethren defeated him.’ He said, ‘You are the very image, the very copy of that one.’ I said, ‘Well now you don’t mean, you couldn’t dare mean, that I could have done the same thing?’ He said, ‘Oh yeah, if you’d had the knowledge of the Word of God that He did, you could’ve done the same thing, ‘cause you’re a reborn man too." (Kenneth Copeland, Substitution and Identification (Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1989), tape #00-0202, side 2.) Copeland demotes Christ and elevates himself, all that is required is to know the word. But Jesus was the word made flesh! No one can come close to the knowledge and wisdom that was intrinsically in his nature, HE'S GOD!


Benny Hinn can barely contain himself when the same Spirit starts to speak to him on this: "My, you know, whoosh! The Holy Ghost is just showing me some stuff. I’m getting dizzy! I’m telling you the truth …He’s [speaking of Jesus] in the underworld now. God isn’t there, the Holy Ghost isn’t there, and the Bible says He was begotten. Do you know what the word begotten means? It means reborn. Do you want another shocker? Have you been begotten? So was He. Don’t let anyone deceive you. Jesus was reborn. You say, ‘What are you talking about?’…He was reborn. He had to be reborn…If He was not reborn, I could not be reborn, I would never be reborn. How can I face Jesus and say, "Jesus, You went through everything I’ve gone through, except the new birth?" (Benny Hinn, Our Position ‘In Christ,’ Part 1 Orlando Christian Center, 1991)


Hinn agrees with Copeland that Jesus lost his deity became a sinner and needed to have the new birth. Remember this is "his Holy Ghost" telling him this. What this means is that it is the same spirit that heals people. What Spirit do you think this is? Not the true one with lies like this one.


Kenneth Hagin states "He (Jesus) tasted spiritual death for every man. And his spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? PHYSICAL DEATH WOULDN’T REMOVE YOUR SINS. He tasted death for every man. He’s talking about spiritual death." (how Jesus obtained his name tape # 44HO1 side 1)


Much like his discipler, Kenneth Copeland also states "If it had been a physical death only, it wouldn't have worked! And if He hadn't died spiritually, that body never would have died." (What Happened From the Cross to the Throne, Tape #00-0303)

In Peter 3:18, Peter states that Christ was "Put to death in the flesh, but quickened (made alive) by the Spirit." This tells us he died in the flesh but was alive in the Spirit. He did not die spiritually and suffer the same fate as sinful man in hell, even temporarily. He didn't lose his deity, God cannot change his nature! This does not mean that He died spiritually and now he is spiritually resurrected, or by the Spirit. It means he died in the body and his body resurrected.

Acts 2:27, 13:35-37 tells us God would not let him see corruption or decay, this is a term for mortality and fallen humanity. He is contrasted to David who saw sin. Christ was separated on the cross for a time and restored before he died.

Acts 2:27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades, nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption. Vs.31-32"he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. "This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses." Notice it says in both soul and body. It is this Jesus the apostles preached, this is not true for the new apostles.

To say God died spiritually the way they define it is a new revelation, but not a biblical one. Heb.10:10 says "we are set apart by the offering of Jesus body once for all." Redemption was and is through the blood. Scripture does not point to any event continuing afterward as part of our redemption. There is no salvation apart from His blood sacrifice, without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

So much more could be quoted and said but this is sufficient evidence to make it clear they care little about the historic Christian faith but are leading the Church to another place with another Gospel and another Christ. Your choice is to either follow the truth or men who claim to have new truth. Not much of a choice if you love the Lord.

- http://www.letusreason.org/Wf2.htm

obadiah777: oh please let him go for the war lol. this here is his destiny >>>>> isaiah 13 vs 15 and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. <<< he will be joined unto edom ( caucasians ) on the battle field in ww3 and hence will fall by the sword ( slaughtered ) right along with them

alexleo: Ahhhhh....bros, the bold is quite a bad statement o. Is Kenneth Hagin God or Holy Spirit? Even those who abuse God here he has shown mercy so why will those who speak against Hagin's practices that are strange to the scriptures now die? Abeg this one no hold water. Nobody is dying anything. let the debate continue without all this pls. Thanks.

mmark12: yashua prayed for armageddon?

which book, chapter and verse in the bible?.

" Lord forgive them for they do not know what they do" that was Yashua's prayer I know off

EDUCATE ME O BRILLIANT ONE, since i am dumb and the ww3 armageddon seekerS (Obadiah & Mosthigh) are the smart ones. dufus

Yungwizzzy: no matter how many billion una pour put, I still can't be a farmer. God 4bid

Bidam: Your foolishness keeps growing in miles per sec..Is your spiritual growth and well being NOT manifested in your physical well being The spiritual always determines the physical,even the devil knows that.

DrummaBoy: We write our position omit WoF U say it is rubbish; we quote someone else U say it is hogwash.

What exactly do U want O Bidam

Continue with your bondage to the Law and revealing in worldly prosperity and demonic spirit manifestations. I am done with U on this forum!

mmark12: obadiah777 still lookin forward to armageddon. na wa ooh

you are not a christian but a fraud. true christians dont hope for such destruction but pray for God's restraint and for forgiveness and mercy, and for God to give man more time to repent.

Armageddon is simply Nuclear war on a scale never imagined; millions will die instantly, food shoratges leading to massive starvation, huge fires, radiation posioning, devastated cities and nation.

U ARE NOT CHRISTIAN BUT A FRAUD AND FAKE. SATAN WILL EVEN REJECT YOU FOR HOPING FOR SUCH DESTRUCTION.

DrummaBoy: Coherence... my friend. Speak intelligibly

Apostle Paul you said... while we are discussing an apostle John quote. Are you ok?

obadiah777: lmao. lokoja ? well dayummmm. my end is getting better sire. the hotness has given way to rain.

DrummaBoy: Nairaland's Boko Harm

Phew!

obadiah777: chief high priest, the honorable most high whats good with ya chief ? hows the weather in ya neck of the woods sire ?

obadiah777: i have no views sire. i am a conduit. a mouthpiece for YHWH. anyone who thinks YHWHs views is conspiracy is described in this here verse ----------------> PSALMS 14 VS 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE VIDEO YET. I PROMISE TO WATCH IT TODAY THOUGH.

JesusisLord85: I just read Acts 13 again. Paul hanging out with John - though we are told by one there are two gospels. How can two walk hand in hand unless they be in agreement? hahahah

My favourite part, for those who think Christ came to tear down 'Judaism':

22 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. 43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region"

I was tempted to quote the whole chapter. I beg them to read it and consider what is written. So much can be discerned about the early believers.

Bidam: Bro..the bible says keep the commandments I'd rather believe the words of Jesus and scriptures i quoted up there in their literal context than one thousand [b]exegesis [/b]on lawlessness.

JesusisLord85: That is serious brother.hahahaha

You know when you question a false witness, you don't even need to accuse much. Their story is just so twisted and changes depending on who they are talking to.
How can one like this preach the word of God.
Today, he will read "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," (2 corinthians 6:17).. the words of their god, Rabbi Shaul (Paul).
Tomorrow, they will say "everything is to be received with thanksgiving". After they read those two texts blindly, of course, they will cling to that which sounds least difficult to honour. If only they read in context, then they will see all scripture lines up, without confusion.

i.chuka:
Paul "CONCLUDES" in this way: "For if a law had been given which was able to give life, righteousness would have indeed been of law" (v. 21). If a man could obtain righteousness by the law, he could have life through the law. However man cannot do this. Therefore, "the Scripture has shut up all under sin" (v. 22a). What did God use to shut us all up? He used the law. Whoever is shut up by the law has to admit that he is a sinner. God shuts up all under sin "in order that the promise out of faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe" (v. 22b). Hallelujah! The law of God is something God uses to save us. It is not something God uses to condemn us. The law is absolutely something used by God. Tonight every one of us here has been shut up. Every one of us is a sinner. God has used the law to show us that we are sinners so that He may save us.