₦airaland Forum

EvilMetahuman:
Lol

They would rather die in lagoon in lagos than go to back to their slum alaibo below.

Because they suffer from not only floods but erosion. The erosion is a sign of hell trying to reclaim the east and take it back to where it belongs. Can't you see all that deep red dirt in the east?

OAUTemitayo:
And yet you people refused to go back to your eldorado in potopoto region!
If Lagos is overrated, leave it and go back to your landlocked potopoto na

That's because they're useless vermins who can only succeed in the midst of yorubas. Don't you know?

I believe we should migrate this to Yorubapatapo.com. The derailers are getting annoying.

Olu317:
You asked a deep question that's perpetually, above board. However, let me clearly state here that there are different groups in Yoruba land and also in diaspora with ideology of actualising Odu'a nation's existence. These groups that have done tremendous work for the potential actualisation of Yoruba nation once the geographical local as it stand tilt toward balkanisation. The indisputable head of this actualisation of Yoruba nation is Rtd .General Akinrinade. The Yoruba bill of RIGHTS is with the UNITED NATIONS for years, so,it it is only a matter of time, for its realisation . The OP, is an entity that has been championing the cause of the actualisation of Odu'a nation for years as well as other groups but Yoruba cannot take on all the groups in Nigeria, until when few groups have issues as it stand now, which will make potential realisation of Odu'a nation possible. No group can be trusted by Yoruba based on the perception of the past event in the polity. It just as,one of the contributor, has hinted you, that sensitisation of the populace of Yoruba extraction, especially residing at Oke Oya and beyond are the ones that such might be the ones that need to be conscious of the situation . So, that they won't fall into the trap of irrational ideology of such balkanisation of this polity as a myriad. The hand writing is on the wall as it seems.

Odu'a land within this polity

Understood, but I think we've reached this point or are quickly reaching this point now. What are we prepared to do when this point is reached, when other Yoruba goups are either calling for unity, or calling for restructuring, and not secession? I don't think we are positioned and prepared for the moment you, so we need to find ways to reorient the yoruba populace on secession before that time comes, which is basically NOW.

God Bless the Yoruba Race.

I love all of my Yoruba family. This needs to continue to happen. A reunion is in order.

Owned by who?

izombie:
i am igbo and to be honest with you, the only problem the se/ss havd with the sw is just that when it comes to taking sides, the sw takes the side of the north. Se and ss are united now but the sw still leans on the north. We still don't understand why the sw can't come together with se/ss. Nothing stops you from doing that. We need to untie the south from the hold of the north but we need the whole south to act as one and right now its only the sw that is still sitting on the fence. Igbos do not need convincing, we only need the yorubas to come to the table with us and the ss to show the north that they are nothing. We need a united south now more than ever.

Because your so called king has openly called for the slaughter of Yorubas, your people denigrate Yorubas daily everywhere, and the most damning part of all of this is that all of this has happened when we've attempted to be the most accommodating.

So you can kiss unity goodbye. That's never going to happen. The closest it'll go is mutual cooperation for reaching our respective secession goals.

Agbaletu:
Stop hammering on resignation it makes the North to look power drunk.

they are.

givbitcoin:
I think you should be worried.

Worry because the little trust other Nigerians had in you is melting away like a pack of ice under a hot weather.

Worry because the privileges you have been enjoying from the North will cease forthwith, on your insistence to have osibanjo as president of this country

The North has been unfairly shortchanged. And how you, backstabbers manipulate the lives of our presidents must be investigated. From Abacha to Yar'adua and now, Buhari. We must find out. If this is a ploy to always smuggle power away from the North, I'll tell you frankly that it has failed this time.

What can you boast. Really wars are not fought in the media.

If osibanjo resigns in peace, you can be sure to retain your VP slot. Otherwise, you will miss out completely.

Privileges from the north? Please, don't make me laugh. You region is backward, underdeveloped, incompetent, and is on the way towards irrelevancy. That's simply the truth. Your biggest achiever doesn't even invest in your lands, as he is smart enough to see where the future lies, and that is in the west. You see, you believe the war is fought on the battlefield, with arms and ammunition. But truthfully, the outcome has already been decided with paper, bills, and investments. Capital is the most powerful tool on the planet. And we have completely succeeded in monopolizing the capital investment within Nigeria. Your significance is slipping as the days go by as your relevance is on borrowed time. If you cannot see this, your demise will be worse than I anticipate.

sekxy:
what you should be aiming is not a strong ally but a strong movement by your Yoruba tribe...

some tribes in Nigeria has actually known yorubas as back stabbers hence won't make an ally ...
one of my benue friend in my work place told me that they are just waiting for BIAFRA to make the move and pave way for them to join and I asked him why they choose igbo over Yoruba...the guy said its because yorubas can't be trusted

It's so interesting when people say things like this, as if it effects us at all. Its really funny. You are ignored because we really don't care. We don't give a damn about any other tribe. We don't need anyone for anything, don't you get it? We don't go to your lands in droves, you come to ours. In fact, we see you all as incompetent fools who can't fend for yourselves in your own lands so you come here for greener pastures, only to drag us down with you. You're honestly not worth anything to us, and that's the truth. If every non yoruba tribe left Yorubaland today we'll throw the biggest party ever seen in Yorubaland. We don't desire you, we don't value you. We only tolerate you. Do you get it now?

Honestly, the main reason why we shouldn't listen to the southeast when it comes to secession is because they've been at it for over 40 years and have failed miserably. It's becoming increasingly clear that they'll only succeed if the SW and SS decide to leave as well.

Deedeedee3:
I dont know myself. Maybe many dont want it. According to the op, it is not our biggest priority.
SMH!

We have idiots who are incapable of action honestly. All we need is the strong to rise, and the weak will naturally follow.

deomelo:
The first step is and should be consultations across Yorubaland to introduce the idea to Yoruba people across the board, gauge their feelings and reactions, collect imputes and solicit advice, consents and make sure we all on the same page before taking the next step which shouldn't even be a formal declaration of intent.


The second step is planning. We should assemble a strong planning committee consisting of students/young members of the society, business leaders, traditional rulers, political and elected officials, technocrats, constitutional lawyers, and minds, or team to formulate a road map and way forward, steps to be taken till formal declaration of intent, governing, establishment of a federal capital, iron our details from communal access and integration, justice system, policing and law enforcements, economic/trade and cultural policies, economic zones from industrials to agriculture, development goals, budgets and allocations, leadership and governing criteria and policies and other issues necessary for a successful and smooth take off.

There must be concrete approval and consents from representatives and planning members from every corner of Yorubaland before going to the next phase or step. This must be done to prevent misunderstanding or disagreement later down the road.

The third step is the constitution which must be drafted with deep consultations, approval and imputes and strong approval across the board before final approval and consents by reps from every corner of Yorubaland.

Setting up a strong lobbying committee to fan across the globe to lobby relevant nations and world organizations for support and guidance.

The 4th step should be setting a date for formal notification locally and internationally.


What we should never do is what ibo people are doing and have been doing like making noise all over the place without planning, without sane and rational thoughts, lack of consultations within their own communities, aimless and clueless leadership unable to guide the hopes and desires of their people, abusing and insulting friends and allies, including other communities outside their borders without consultations and so on. This is why they are not taken seriously and we shouldn't start off the same way they did, we are too smart, knowledgeable and refined to go down that comedic, nonserious and laughable road.


Secession is serious business with serious local and global implications.

This is actually a great first step. I would argue that physical meetings are not even necessary at the outset. I would argue we should have either Facebook or YouTube streaming of our meetings composed of a core group . Talking about the things we're talking about here. And once it picks up steam, we'll have a physical meeting (while also streaming it).

lharstborn:
The very congent and pragmatic question to achieving an Odua state is: "What is the first step to be taken?"

Can someone answer this for me? We need to start putting this into action.

omohayek:
Now, having set up an independent central bank with a highly credible governor whose track record is internationally respected, the next step required will be to ensure that the nation's fiscal policy matches up with its monetary policy, so that the central bank governor doesn't end up fighting a government trying to print its way out of trouble it has created for itself through impossible promises. The temptation for politicians to make expensive promises they can't pay for through taxation is strong in any democracy, and when times are good it is easy to assume the money will always be there to fund new programs and policies that are vote-winners (eg Yar'adua's national minimum wage increase), only for their unsustainability to be revealed down the road after a slow-down.

When the good times finally come to an end - and they always do, no matter the country - for politicians who are afraid of provoking a backlash by cutting spending, the only way out is either to borrow massively to temporarily cover the shortfall, or, if the current debts are too high, and willing borrowers can no longer be found, to simply print away the problems, by unleashing massive inflation that cuts the real cost of the government's expenditure. Often this will be blamed on drops in exchange-rates, but the truth is that with sensible fiscal and monetary policies, even very open economies can tolerate massive exchange-rate changes with little additional inflation; for example, the UK, which is far more import-dependent than Nigeria, has seen an effective 40% devaluation in the pound over the last year thanks to Brexit, but inflation has only gone up to 2.7%.

We have seen this inflationary-cycle dynamic at work many times in recent Nigerian history, from the IBB era onwards: governments that are no longer able to borrow to make up for low oil prices try to print more money without any additional resources to back the new cash, and as increasing amounts of currency go into circulation while production stays the same, the inevitable result is massive price rises, which give rise to strikes and other forms of unrest, which the governments then try to subdue through further inflationary pay increases ... and on and on the cycle goes, with the citizens left worse off in the end than they would have been under less "generous" but thriftier governments.

But how do you compel a government to do the right thing, even in the face of strong political temptation to think only of short-term popularity? By putting in place budgetary rules they won't have the freedom to break, and appointing independent overseers who can ring the alarms when the politicians try to get around the rules.

The basic idea behind the fiscal policy rules is simple enough: whatever the average growth-rate of an economy over the long term (I won't get into the growth economics here), in the short to medium term, the rate will tend to oscillate around that long-term trajectory, with good times followed by less bouyant periods, so a sensible government should save up while times are good, which will give it extra room to cushion the pain during the slower periods. The end result is that the government will be forced to run surpluses at the high point in the economic cycle, allowing it to run Keynesian "pump priming" deficits at the low point, both of which help to smooth out the performance of the economy. Fiscal policy rules can also be extended beyond mandatory budgetary surpluses at certain periods, to preventing governments from borrowing once outstanding debt reaches a pre-determined percentage of GDP, so spendthrift administrations don't burden their successors with onerous obligations.

As everyone familiar with Nigeria knows, rules are easy to make, but getting them enforced is another thing, and here is where independent oversight comes in. If a body is set up to carry out thorough and objective assessment of government spending plans, with a requirement that its findings be made public and easily accessible, then it becomes harder for populist politicians to make unaffordable promises, as their opponents will have ready ammunition to reveal the hollowness of their proposals. The United States Congressional Budget Office is perhaps the best known such organization, but the UK also has a similar organ, called the Office for Budget Responsibility, as do many other countries. The virtue of such institutions is that by focusing only on making independent assessments of spending plans, political attacks on their findings (or attempts to undermine their independence) are made transparent to the public as partisan angling for advantage.

I am enlightened so much by this post. Thank you!

laudate:
Hmmn.... with all due respect, would this measure not be too drastic? There are people from minority groups like myself, who have lived, worked and studied in the SW region for years. I even know a few people who are not Yoruba, but are so assimilated into the Yoruba culture, that they are even alienated from their own paternal culture. Some of their maternal grandparents can trace their origins to border towns within the SW region. Would they be deported too? This needs a lot of careful thought & meditation...

Those that are yorubanized will be the last of our worries. It is easy to know this if their families have spent generations here as you've stated. Their parents and grandparents will be recognized by the government as residents in the region and will be overlooked. Those that are more recent arrivals will definitely be subject to more scrutiny and most will be deported unless: you are not a criminal, you are intelligent and have a technical skill you're offering to yoruba society, and most importantly if you love Yorubas as you love your own brothers. Otherwise, non yoruba residents are most likely to be deported. If somehow a person is deported who is all that is listed, they will most surely gain reentry once they apply and go through the system.

Its not an attack on any tribe or minority, it is simply a measure of a protection for future yoruba generations so no one should take it the wrong way. There are countries that allow poor and jobless entry into their country for a better life (ex. US) Then there are countries who only prefer to allow expats and professionals (ex. Japan). I am for the latter. I hope that answers your question.

AshiwajuFoward:
That is it! That's the way it should be in my opinion as well (though I think the deportation part must not be a blanket one, those that are not troublemakers, I mean the one that don't call our land 'nomansland', can be allowed to remain while regularizing their immigration status). If I decide to go and live in China or Germany today, o ti sure ju wipe I go know at the back of my mind say I must learn their language and culture, so as to fit properly into their society. If I choose to naturalize or obtain their citizenship, I'll definitely go through some kinda test or exam to PROVE to them that I've assimilated enough into their society and will be a loyal citizen of their country. That's the way it should be.

Agreed, but honestly, there will have to be tough decisions that need to be made. Including deporting most (maybe not all) of those that are not yoruba, even if they're perfectly law abiding. This is a decision that needs to be made in the beginning. I don't think you understand the amount of non yoruba residents in the southwest. We don't want another Nigeria situation. Our forefathers failed to steer us away from this path in Nigeria, knowing this fact, we must do what is necessary to ensure without a shadow of a doubt that the nation remains an unquestionably yoruba nation for decades to come. To do this we must make these tough choices to prevent future generations from having to deal with more difficult situations in a multi ethnic society, similar to what we're dealing with now.

I noticed talks about immigration and current non yoruba residents. I am of the opinion that any immigrant can be naturalized. The issue of Nigeria is a big one, and we have to deal with the reality of there being a large number of non yoruba residents that needs to be addressed at the outset. In the initial stage, we must first adopt an immigration policy similar to the Japanese immigration policy. Only investors and those of skilled and technical fields will be allowed. Very strict, and a very low percentage of immigrants. Essentially, expats primarily will be the bulk of foreign residents. Then there will be deportations of those who are not yoruba. Probably starting from criminals, unemployed, and those offering nothing to our society. This will be unfortunate, but it will have to happen. No sane country that strives to be successful and better will avoid doing the necessary to ensure a better future.

Finally, with a limited number of non yoruba residents, and with a heightened focus on cultural revolution, the nation will have converted most if not all of those who are not yoruba to the Yoruba culture, and future generations of these individuals will essentially be Yorubas.

Intrepid01:
Chief, the proposed constitution is the genesis of this constitution but we all knownit isn't in anyway formal. many people have opined what they actuly, hence the reason for my submission.

You mentioned the ooni being the head of state. I don't think anyone stated that. The Constitution certainly didn't. All positions are elected, so I don't know where you're getting the notion that it isn't progressive.

Intrepid01:
Exactly the point I have been teying to make some folks here see...imagine someone saying Ooni will be like the Head of State....it's like some people think say n.a. home we say joke...putting cultural sentiments above progressive thinking is a recipe for failure even before word go.

Where was that stated? I don't think you read the Constitution fully and understood the significance Aale. If that's what you're referring to. I would suggest rereading the Constitution. All government positions are elected.

laudate:
It is Yorubaparapo.com

I got it. Fantastic site!!

AshiwajuFoward:

I.M.O, Yoruba Culture must supercede any other culture in Yorubaland -- we mustn't compromise with that else we'll be setting ourselves up for some serious problems in future.

This. Let us repeat this 1000 times

laudate:
Another site sprang up shortly after this thread was laid to rest. I can't remember the name now. But Areonakakanfo was active on that site. Will look for it and send you a PM.

Please do.

laudate:
Guys, someone asked why the thread on the Oodua Constitution draft thread was deleted. I sighed. I could feel the angst and disappointment in everyone's posts, when they couldn't find the thread.

Something similar happened to this same thread too, that made respondents lose interest in continuing the stimulating discussions that took place daily here.

Initially, knowledge flowed like water, right here. Historical, cultural and political ties were shared and discussed. Ideas on how to move the Southwest region forward, were debated with passion. The camaraderie was infectious. Both Yorubas and non-Yorubas like myself, enjoyed ourselves immensely. In less than 21 days, the thread grew to over 250 pages plus. Even the DAWN programmes were discussed and analysed. This thread became a treasure trove.

That was when we started noticing strange things happening.

The Yoruba Commonwealth thread was first moved to the Culture section. After several objections, it was moved back to the Politics section, with a caveat that the name should be changed.

Later people started getting banned almost on a daily basis, under the flimsiest excuses you can think of.

That was when a lot of people started getting disenchanted with the thread. Calls were made to the mods to address certain issues, which they never did.

Slowly but surely, interest started waning, the discussions lost steam, and the main respondents left NL. It was such a sad ending, to a most promising journey.

I don't know why the mods get rattled by the success of such threads. But my consolation is that the things which are hidden in secret, are open to the eyes of God.

Yorubas should start to look to relocate to another forum. Nairaland is turning into a joke, and honestly, Yorubas are the only ones that offer great and thoughtful conversation. Any suggestions to relocate?

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

You call yourself yoruba but you don't like the notion of a Yoruba country. You call yourself yoruba, but don't want a country for your tribe and seemingly put more worth in the comfort of minorities than the comfort and future of Yoruba women and children. You say you're Yoruba but everything you're saying is not in the best interest of the Yorubas. Just because you say you're yoruba doesn't make it true. If you're yoruba but have anti- yoruba sentiments, you're really only Yoruba by name and name alone.

AshiwajuFoward:
Exactly. Only a minority of those groups still openly identify themselves as Yoruba today. The vast majority have long carved a separate identity for themselves and would rather be identified along those lines.

My view is that we start from our current 6 SW states while consulting with those in parts of Kogi and Kwara. If the Kogi and Kwara ones refuse to commit to the project, that's fine and no hard feelings. After all there are Yorubas in Benin and Togo, and they're cool where they're at while still enjoying good relations with the rest of the wider Yoruba family based on our shared historical and cultural ties.

We mustn't allow any petty excuse to rob us of an opportunity to have a Yoruba country. IMO, Yorubas that are currently not a part of the SW fold but are willing to join their brethren must be vocal and at the forefront of making such ambitions and aspirations known. I am sure the SW states will surely support them if they do. But they must be the ones to make the first moves.

I agree 1000% with this.

Jetleeee:
I like the whole idea but wtfook is Edo and Delta.

Deleeeeeeete!!!! That "Oduduwa" name sounds meh. But we can always come up with new names later anyway.

P. S: DAWN commission already has a proper, well-designed blueprint for Yorubaland should Nigeria break up. Agreed by all SW governors. So this one won't count much.

That's why I laugh at some of these red-capped thugs that think Yorubas aren't strategizing. Dummies!

We're still milking whatever is available in this Nigeria lol

Lol truth! And the milk is tasting good thus far. But where can this DAWN commision document be found?

When different Nationalities and Ethnic Groups live in the same country, it is imperative that they each let the others know what their special interests are, in order to make living with each other worthwhile. If all of them are to live in peace, they must each know what is of paramount concern to each and every Nationality. Given the fact that the Yoruba Nation also extend beyond Nigeria, she has the obligation to preserve her cultural heritage and way of life within Nigeria and elsewhere where she has a sizeable community.

I love this, and Yoruba will need to be implemented as the primary language of the country, especially in all political and economic affairs of the nation.

DRAFT OF THE OODUA REGION YORUBA CONSTITUTION

In order to secure the dual ends of good government for, as well as peaceable living among ourselves and between us and other Nationalities in Nigeria, we, the OODUA Yoruba people do commission and give consent to the following as the Constitution of the Yoruba Nation:

THE OODUA NATION
ARTICLE 1
SECTIONS:
1. YORUBALAND, existing as an AUTONOMOUS Nation [/b]in a UNION OF NIGERIAN CONSTITUENT [b]NATIONALITIES, shall be known and styled as “ODUDUWA REGION”.
2. The Central government of the Union shall have no power to interfere nor intervene in the affairs of the ODUDUWA REGION, save as shall be agreed to by three quarters of the members of the Region’s Parliament.
3. The land description of the Oodua Yoruba Nation corresponds to the present states of Ekiti, Eko, Ogun, Ondo, Osun, Oyo and all Oodua lands in Kwara, Kogi, Edo and Delta States.
4. There shall be a Division of the Federal Armed Forces in the Region, 90% of which personnel shall be
indigenes of the Region. The Divisional commander shall be an indigene of Oduduwa Region.

There needs to be consistency in calling it the Oodua Nation, and not region. I see you using them interchangeably and I don't agree with that. If we're going towards the confederation route, it will be a confederation of nations.

EXECUTIVE OF THE REGIONAL GOVERNMENT
ARTICLE IV
SECTIONS:
1. A Head of State/Aare shall be elected for a period of 5 years of not more than 2 terms. The Aare shall not belong to any political party, and must not be less than 60 years. The Aare must be a person whose parents belong to a community indigenous to Oodua Nation. The Aare shall declare open the parliamentary Session, represent the Region on ceremonial matters, announce the dissolution of Parliament and all such matters.
2. The Aare shall be elected from an electoral college composed of selected leaders from the provinces. The provincial representative could be traditional rulers or statesmen and women.

3. Executive power at the Regional level shall reside in the Premier-in-Council (PM) elected for a period of 4 years. The leader of the majority party in parliament shall be PM and shall be vested with the
power to appoint Cabinet Ministers. The PM must be a person whose parents belong to a community indigenous to Oodua Nation.
4. The Parliament shall stand dissolved at the expiration of its 4-year term. In the event of a motion of no confidence passed on the government by not less than three-quarters of members of Parliament, the PM and the government shall resign forthwith. Thereafter, the Aare shall call on the leader of the
party which appears able to form a government that will enjoy majority support in Parliament to fulfil
the term of the current Parliament or new election held within 30 days of dissolution of Parliament.
5. The Council of Chiefs and Obas. There shall be a Regional House of Chiefs and a Traditional Council of Obas and Chiefs at the Provincial and Local Council levels.

I have a problem with a few things here. I see you trying to implement a combination of the American democratic system, and the UKs. But why would there be an Aare, along with a PM, at different election cycles? (5 yrs vs 4 yrs). Also, why would we use an electoral college system, when simple majority can suffice? I mention this because the electoral college system can sometimes be a glitch in the election process, as 2 US presidents in the last 20 yrs shouldn't have been president if it had not been for the electoral college, as they lost the raw majority (Trump and Bush Jr.). Lastly, I totally disagree with the notion that the Aare has to be over 60yrs old. It seems to be a figurehead position analogous to the Queen, but in the 21st century, where things progress fast and innovation moves quickly, having a symbolic figurehead with a mindset 30 to 40 years in the past (if they're elected at age 60), can have a detrimental effect on the advancement of the country.

I would either do away with the concept of an Aare altogether, or allow them to be a young person. Young or old, the Aare should be a sacred, symbolic, and unbiased figurehead that encapsulates the hearts and minds of the country of the time. That can be seen in either a younger or older person.

1. All persons either of whose parents or grandparents belong or belonged to a community indigenous
to Oodua land. All persons in the Diaspora, of African decent who claim Oduduwa/Yoruba ancestry, either through cultural affiliation or genealogical connection.

I love this, as we have a lot of Yoruba people in the Caribbean and in the diaspora. Sponsoring returnees as the jews do in isreal would be beneficial in relinking that lost connection.

nototribalist:
See these slaves thinking they're free from their Masters yet. Oduwawa or whatever you call yourself. Have Tinubu approved your leaving Nigeria?

Look at the jealous hater jealous at the fact that Yoruba people continue to prove to be the ultimate thinkers. Don't get jealous, get better.

And how old is he?