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Alfa Seltzer: Ok. This sounds fair. Let's see what others think.

should we put it to a vote then?

The religious get to nominate for the best religious poster while the irreligious get to nominate for the best non religious poster, then everybody gets to vote.


I put the 1st vote in favour.

We need the Men In Black in here! The aliens are taking over!!!

Ishilove: Let's not forget Best Overall Poster. This poster is the one who has made the most impact in this section.

yes yes. And at least whoever nominates should provide some sort of evidence or reason for nominating the person...

Alfa Seltzer: Xtians are a majority here. They will vote to favour xtianity and mock atheism. They will nomiate and elect a shameful moniker as the best non-religious poster thereby making a mockery of atheists. Likewise atheists. Although those categories sound fine, they will bring more disharmony.

Or are you suggesting that xtians don't vote in the best non religious poster as their considerations are different?

i suggest that the christians should do their nominations and everybody votes likewise the irrreligious should do their nominations while evrybody votes.

Joshthefirst: bad belle

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

REWIND...STOP...PLAY

Guy you are a hopeless case. I hope you make heaven for all your troubles...Yahweh will be proud.

Wu Zetian: Why u no answer me??

Have you taken note of my suggestions??

No are you not Shollypops the old cargo?

Alfa Seltzer: I think we all agree yet on one award that must be given: Best Poster of the year in religion section = Best overall poster.

A second award is required and I don't believe we should encourage division and non participation by proposing factional awards. An atheist may not be inclined to vote for the best religious poster, and vice versa.

I think we should limit awards to general things that cut across all faiths and non-beliefs.

er... That is gonna be a problem because what the christians will consider a great thread may differ from what the others may think. The idea of best religious poster and best non religious poster is good.

I suggest we limit the awards to a maximum of 5. Some suggesstions here already duplicates...

As for a Chairman, what exactly will be his/her function?

lady gogo: they do not claim to know of the existence of a deity, but still believe there is one.

why?

Some people really vex me with their PLAY...STOP...REWIND...PLAY AGAIN.

I mean, say something sensible or shut up!

Jesus blah blah blah...Bible blah blah blah meanwhile when called out to defend this full of sh.it bible they all ran away. Mcheew.

You keep using your religious dogma as standards of comparison of other religions of which you know nothing about...saved from sin nonsense!

Er...what is agnostic theist?

Joshthefirst: cool. It's an honour to be mocked publicly in an atheist hangout thread.

I formally join this thread by quoting a verse and making a claim.
I'll make the claim first: I AM NOT RELIGIOUS

Now l quote the verse. Don't let it discourage you guys. It's just that the man who spoke this verse has never been proved wrong.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
-Jesus Christ

What has this your quote got to do with the discussion at hand?

You are not religious but you believe in Yahweh and follow his instructions...Genius!

the thread should be updated na. its 2-nil now

Number 1 is settled then: On or before 31st 0f October

unto Number 2: what awards are to be given...

^^^
noted. to be frank, you have a valid point but I personally want us to give reason a chance in this.

texanomaly: I'm thinking about it. Not sure yet.

ok then. whenever you decide...

Divepen: For agenda one...i will suggest the end of this month

I support this. end of the month for number 1.

P.S: lets take it chronologically pls. one item after another...

Striky you have a point but I think this should be a secular panel where reason and logic instead of (ir)religious sentiments should prevail. for now lets leave it by a simple majority until there is a complaint from the Christians or any other aggrieved party.

Ok then. @Alfa, pls create a separate thread for the panel members to deliberate on the format of the upcoming year end religious section awards...thanks

aManFromMars: Pick a side to make things interesting. Sitting on the fence gets boring after a while. Do you believe bulletproof jazz exists? Why or why not? Is it possible for anyone to know anything with all certainty? Is the statement 'there will always be a tomorrow' true?

I hope I never start to dey digress sha.



At the end it doesn't really matter or does it? You can believe an invisible lion's in a room and stay clear, or you can go in and have fun. NO point standing at the door pondering if to step in or remain outside, abi no be so?




Read my sig.

See bro, it is alright not to know everything. I cannot categorically state that god does NOT exist. I do not possess enough knowledge to make that conclusion and it is not a matter of making anything interesting...BUT I can categorically state that all religious notions of god are mere fantasies and false. I hope you see the difference.

God is an abstract concept that can be made to fit any definition you wish(much like what Deepsight is doing) and as long as we don't know for sure what caused the big bang, the debate will continue

Nevertheless, that your Lion analogy doesn't just cut it. Its not a case of fear, I'm living my life based on my own principles and trying to pursue happiness...I'm humble enough to accept that I don't know everything but I'm also intelligent enough to detect and reject bullshit when I see it.

I agree with Alfa. Let's create a new panel thread.

Ishilove: ALL of the above, but most especially number 1

more like number 3

texanomaly: I have friend from there who would be very interested in that answer. So you live in PH?

yes

striktlymi: Second task!!!

Prepare a note or letter to the individual who offends you most stating exactly how you feel about that person. No insults pls and don't mention any user id.

When you are done post your letter here.

MY NOTE

No specific person offends me here but what offends me about people is when they are purposely ignorant and delusional. hypocrisy and the holy than thou attitude of some Christians here also piss me off

I also hate it when people refuse to take corrections...

i'm done! waiting for the real task now...no more silly get togethers from now on

texanomaly: Morning

good morning. will your tour of 9ja reach PH?

aManFromMars: 'Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence' sounds a lot like 'seeing things which are not seen' which is the biblical definition of faith. I see nothing wrong with making conclusions based on a lack of evidence; innocent until proven guilty. Imagine a judge keeping you on bail for years on end. That's the fate of the agnostic Why not just pick a side?
For me faith is making a conclusion inspite of evidence to the contrary.

why pick a side when there's no evidence for either side you want to pick? there is no evidence for or against. its really simple, there is NO evidence.
@bold, that is so wrong! that you can not see something does not mean it isn't there, neither does it mean that it is there.

We could begin with a huge question: is God objective?

NOw you're talking. do we even know? I think he should be if he/she/it made everything

rationalmind: I'm not sure I know anyone outside nairaland who is an atheist/agnostic. I seem to surround myself with religious folks. As a matter of fact, once I tell anyone I'm an agnostic, the next question he/she asks is what does it mean. Majority of people around me haven't even ever heard the word. Let alone becoming one.

@bold, same with me. although I think my elder bro is also atheist/agnostic though he definitely is irreligious with a good Christian wife (so I still get hope )

texanomaly: I was shaking my head at the part about about me and Alfa.

OK

aManFromMars: Beliefs aren't just limited to faith, except you're talking about religious beliefs.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Beliefs
1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies belief.
3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons


I prefer using analogies to illustrate my points, so please bear with me. Let's say I walk into an empty room and then you walk in later and tell me someone was in the room before me. I tell you that I met and saw no one in the room. I do not believe anyone had been in the room for me. The 'absence' of the said person is enough 'proof' for me. The little we know about the universe has shown no proof for or against God. Either side may be wrong, it's 50/50. For me, his absence is enough proof for me. A being that is bothered about what it's creation believes would make efforts to show himself to them. No king stays in obscurity. Yes, there may be a creator, but what if he/she/it too couldn't conquer death?

you know I was talking about religious beliefs na.

@bolded, surely you know that that is a fallacy right? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. by your analogy, if I can not conclusively prove that there was someone in the room before you then the most logical option would be to suspend belief until evidence is provided. this is because there is still a logical possibility that someone indeed may have been in the room before you.

@red, this is where you miss it. that your definition is of most religious notions of god which frankly are full of absurdities. the most pertinent question will be...What would constitute conclusive evidence for god for us all? do we know? are we objective enough to recognize it when we see it?

texanomaly: Nothing is bad about it. I didn't say that. SC did. I have no prob with it at all. I've quite enjoyed the association so far.

I know who said it and that was the person I quoted. but you SHOOK YOUR HEAD to it though.