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agaugust: thats why we say south africans have a 33% brain

biafra war biggest in africa 500,000 soldiers and airforce/navy at war for 3 years...is a peacekeeping mission ?

sierra leone war was no peace keeping mission. nigeria and sierra leone had a defence pact, the national army of sierra leone was defeated by coalition of several rebel groups, president tejan kabbah asked nigeria to invoke our defence pact, we landed there, attacked and defeated the rebels of about 40,000 fighters...and we restored the democratic government of president kabbah.

liberia a bit different, but also about 35,000 rebels of charles taylor armed by libya with anti-tank weapons and shoulder anti-aircraft missiles.

1,000 nigerian soldiers died in both wars . all involved nigerian air force jets in action.

those wars are far superior to what south africa experienced in CAR. your current army has almost zero combat experience, thats why you rush to brazil to learn jungle warfare from your fellow inexperienced brazilian army. blind leading blind

war is war, rebel or national army. the rebels of liberia and sierra leone were more powerful than their national armies and overthrew the two presidents and their governments .

sweden and holland your masters in south africa has far less combat experience than nigeria

war is war.

south african army has no single achievement of winning any battle in modern history. you lost to seleka teenage rebels

south african military, try defeat some teenage african rebels before you dream of fighting nigeria, algeria, ethiopia, morocco

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Oh!! Good for nothing 100% Nigerias brain equivalent to 33% in SA.

Biafra was a civil war and you defeated one of your own.

All other wars Nigeria fought was used as mercenaries fighting along side other forces. Is that what you call military achievement? Definitely NO.

SA in car fought seleka which means alliance in Sango language comprising all CAR rebels together including large portion of Bozize's mutinous government forces who joined ranks with rebels. Almost 180 SA troops without any heavy artillery and Air support managed to escape over 3000 rebels unscathed which is very unusual.

Over 1000 Nigerian soldiers in one barracks were attacked and defeated by Boko Haram and blame their falure squarely on lack of Air support. Boko Haram insurgents managed to put under siege the whole town and hijack police stations, local prison and barracks. They freed over 200 prisoners with only few men killed, what a victory. The worst of all Nigeria were beaten in their own turf.

Thiza: now the out of service CHEETAH

Not really out of service, it was sold to Ecuador

agaugust: south africans have 33% brain...always remember

Equivalent to 100% in Nigeria.

agaugust: answer that man below...big question



@THIZA, answer him he asked you a question above.

i will answer your own question directed at me over the weekend, saturday/sunday

Simple, Nigerias military achievements are mainly based on peacekeeping mission of which is the same with South Africa. SA as well participated in many peacekeeping missions.

Thiza: @AGAUGUST.....SOUTH AFRICANS DO NOT HAVE TO DECEIVE THEMSELVES THEY ONLY HAVE TO PROVE IT THAT SOUTH AFRICA POSSESS INDEGENEOUS WEAPONS NOT AMERICAN OR CHINA.....PROVE ME OTHERWISE WHAT DOES MOROCCO, EGYPT, NIGERIA, LIBYA ETC PRODUCES AS THEIR HOME MADE TECHNOLOGY RIVALLING THE BEST IN THE WORLD.....COME ON WE ARE WAITING??

NOTHING!! ONLY ONE AND THE ONLY MZANSI.

Donian007: Keep fooling yourself, even SAengine has admitted that Seleka rebels returned a captured SANDF soldier. And please don't get too emotional over this na, abeg, dis wan wey u dey so interested for Agaugust identity. Na wah o!

There were any SA soldiers captured in CAR, those were just attempts by Seleka rebels to score cheap points by painting lies. Whether saengine admitted to it or not it is still lies

Read below:

http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/We-killed-36-SA-troops-CAR-rebels-say-20130405

souldust: for those saying the robots are the same, why dont you take note of the tyres and see that the colours are different

Bwahahahahaha!!! Nigerias robots are not yet conceived. Not even pregnant yet. Yes the pic above is from an American robot. The Nigerian version will only be shown to the public ((Air Expo) in 2030

Donian007: Are you insinuating that Gates and Nkoana were lieing when they testified to have been spared? Even when the truth is at your face you keep up with lies. Foul nyash don open bcux breeze don blow!

Yet again, effects of a dog and rat meat.

agaugust: this forum has photos and videos posted in march/april of seleka rebels inside south african amry base playing with abandoned weapons and new uniforms.

Oh! My God, what diet are you eating? Do you surely want to tell me that, the dogs and rats meat you call bushmeat in Nigeria is that poor in nutrition that it cannot nourish your brain? Seleka rebels only occupied the base after SA soldiers were gone. Fortified American diet would have helped to clear your brain of any condition and those are clear symptoms of poor diet.

agaugust: sorry for the mix up of names, the story from south africa narrated both women's actions at random and mixed it up. i have corrected the names in my post. no big deal, as that does not change the fact and validity of the true story.
i also had no intention to mix anything up or manipulate anything, i clearly posted the photos of both Susette Gates and corporal Nkoana side by side to acknowledge both women were involved. now back to the facts and truth !

@msauza said the rebels would never spare the life of any south african force member in CAR but seleka did !

south african army surrendered and was granted safe passage by seleka , thats what Susette Gates proved to the world !

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You stinking and sticky pepper soup consumed nutrients could not help your brain to think clearly. There is no source in the planet earth that ever boldly reported that Seleka rebels spared the lives of 200 South African soldiers. Heaven knows that it is only half brains like Agaugust, ot even trained as journalists would fabricate lies to suit their unfounded frenzy.

Let agaugust know that he cannot change what happened in CAR by his propaganda. All his claims can all be reduced to zero because there is nothing objective from what he said. The world knows that Seleka were the first to raise the flag for cease fire. How on earth would heartless seleka rebels spared the lives of their enermy if they mercilessly killed civilians who are citizens of CAR? By the way, let us not blame a poor boy claiming to be an American because those are results of poor Nigerian education system.

Agaugust has never been to America, because what he says are just only hallucinations. He is wishing if he was somebody from the US with MBA, unfortunately he still find himself in that hole called Nigeria.

saengine: Nice try at an amateur editing job. Maybe your boyfriend Patriot will believe you .

Corporal Molatelo Aphinia Nkoana was not confronted by rebels. Corporal Molatelo Aphinia Nkoana led a team of 16 SANDF soldiers to safety after an ambush.


Susette Gates is a civilian who works within the SANDF. She is the one who returned to the base during some of the fighting to retrieve R3 million that was being held at the base. She is the one who convinced the rebels that the money was infact clothes.


2 different stories but you edit it to make it seem like one. What's worse is that you put it in bold.

That's only how far Nigerians can think. We cannot blame them because that is the only farthest God has given them.

saengine: Please post pictures of the Nigerian built bomb robot, not a robot from the USA .


https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6216/6258093630_2aa6aed9c3_z.jpg

https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6221/6258102006_756a37556c_z.jpg

Bwahahahahaha!! Bwahahahahaha!! Bwahahahahaha! Surely theirs will not come any close to that one knowing their limited technical skills. I have also read that they have also asked Brazil for help.

Mike..ZA:
Did you know that some country in west Africa, sends its wounded soldiers abroad for treatment?. And its chief of stuff(defence) was not embarrassed to say that,I mean they even put it on Twitter?. Reply if you want the name.

Hopefully, Nigeria. Bwahahahahaha!

Seleka rebels says SANDF carved them up.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/04/03/sa-soldiers-carved-us-up-say-rebels

chris365: trust me if they had grippen jets and rooivalk whatever you have, they would have invaded SA after you scrammed

Meaning 200 soldiers deployed in CAR not SA as a whole.

patriot4: because you raised a white flag and begged to not be annihilated.

Dou you think rebels have any mercy, surely NO. They would have doomed all our men once and for all.

agaugust: .


[size=16pt]Nkoana Conspiracy : how seleka rebels spared the lives of south african soldiers[/size]



contrary to claims by south africans that their army killed 500, then 600, and finally adjusted figure to 800 seleka rebels, the truth if logically proved that the south africans actually surrendered or begged the seleka rebels to allow them to escape in peace to the airport to come under french army protection.

QUOTE :

"Parliament applauded South African Army medic Corporal Molatelo Aphinia Nkoana for her bravery in CAR, which was recounted by the Minister of Defence and Military Veterans Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula.

She was confronted by the rebels who wanted to take the bags she’d retrieved. But she convinced them that she was carrying clothes left behind. She hitch hiked to the airport with French troops. "


SOURCE

http://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/parly-applauds-heroines-bravery

south african army did not kill any 500 or 600 or 800 seleka rebels otherwise the rebels in anger would have killed corporal Nkoana out of anger and revenge. only few rebels were killed, maybe about 100.

i had a battlefield simulation done with a retired combat soldier who has real life battlefield experience of infantry warfare, and a good knowledge of the american-somalia rebels firefight called 'blackhawk down'.

conclusion was that there is no way south african army will lose 13 men while seleka rebels will lose 800 men to create a new world record infantry combat kill ratio of 1:61, that will be a new world record he said.

we looked critically at the weapons the seleka rebels had :

14.5mm double barrel anti-aircraft guns mobile truck mounted with firing range of about 5km and firing rate of about 1,000 rounds of ammunition in 5 minutes and it can pierce through light armour vehicles, for a human body it will tear the soldier into pieces.

105mm mobile anti-tank bazooka rocket launchers with range of about 2km and its rockets can pierce through heavy armour vehicles.

general purpose machine guns with range about 2km and rate of fire 5,000 bullets in 5 minutes.

AK-47 rifles were also used by the estimated 2,500 seleka force against the estimated 250 man south african army force.

the senior commanders of seleka are said to have at least average army military training in chad before their rebellion.

the south africans were out numbered in ratio 10 men against 1.

the seleka rebels used element of surprise attack because the south africans were not expecting them.

seleka was fighting at home and had advantage of knowledge of all the land and bush routes the south africans could use.

seleka rebels knew all the escape routes the south african army could use to escape and had blocked it, that is why corporal Nkoana went through hidden bush paths and still fell into the hands of seleka rebels who spared her life.

the seleka rebels did not need to get close to the south africans before wiping them out, their base was known and the mobile anti-aircraft guns with deadly amour piercing rapid firepower can tear the south africans into pieces from a distance of 1km away.

we simulated and discovered that with the above, the south african army can never kill 800 seleka rebels and lose only 13 men in about 18 hours of fighting.

as a form of simulation control/comparison, we related the battle of bangui to the american army battle against north korea in 'task force smith' 1950 korean war, where america was outnumbered in this same ratio 10:1, with 400 american specially selected soldiers against 4,000 regular north korean soldiers in the infantry encounter. in a few hours of combat 200 of the 400 american soldiers were dead or wounded and they retreated fast away from the battle field.

task force smith experience in war teaches world armies that you can never have a high kill ratio against a superior enemy unless their hands are tied to their backs with chains. you are more likely to lose the war to superior numbers and superior weapons, you cannot turn that situation around unless you chain the hands of the superior force so that you can k.ill them defenseless

in vietnam war 1965 to 1974, despite the awesome american land sea and air firepower superior to the communists, the kill ratio is estimated at 2:3, in favour of america/allies.

they did fight, but the south african army surrendered after losing the said 13 soldiers or likely even more, to avoid being totally wiped out, they surrendered to seleka and negotiated for a safe passage out of the area, that is clear from the fact that SANDF corporal Nkoana met with the seleka rebels they were said to be fighting with and she merely talked with them and they let her walk away without any harassment ! surely south african army had begged seleka to spare their lives and promised to leave CAR forever and never come back, for this reason, the rebels did not kill more of them and let them go free.

the south african propaganda kill ratio of 1:61 in their own favour, is a historical fraud in the history of war where the the so called winner is heavily out numbered and out gunned and also caught by surprise in a foreign territory they don not know well


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You still haven't answered my question. Why did Seleka rebels failed to kill all 200 South Africans? That which you have written above amount only to a mental capacity of a grade 1 student.

By the way why do you choose to believe that media with dormain "Co.Za." since you have distance yourself from SA media which is marred with propaganda? Shame!! Your desperation has minimised your cognitive abilities.

chris365: while we are at that, let's not forget to put seleka in place of south africa since they've shown themselves to be better in strategy and bravery

Why have they failed to doom us all?

patriot4: Repeating a lie doesn't make it become true.
Every independent report says you got your a.ss whooped.

Lies! Oh in what? So, the question is " Did they kill all our 200 men?" NO

Any army defeated in foreign country won't surely have their lives spared.

NPikinGidi: You are not blind ... I suppose?

You have failed to be corrected. By the way let me leave you with your Nigerian level of education.

patriot4: Repeating a lie doesn't make it become true.
Every independent report says you got your a.ss whooped.

So, why couldn't they wipe out all our 200 men, what exactly went wrong or should we say we were just more powerful to defeat. They have went on to even recruit Chad special forces but still they have failed to the extend of asking for cease fire with a white flag.

NaijaPikinGidi: I have a rational approach to thinking, analysing and believing information (it is embedded in my training). As such only gullible fools like you will believe such an exaggerated battle casualty ratio! Until an independent and nuetral body like the Red Cross or global Humanitarian Agency confirms your account (which is impossible) ... then your story will remain proudly shamefully and fraudulently South African.

I still wonder how your dual University studentships failed to impart basic analytic skills into your blockhead!

Studentship or Scholarship

Seleka rebels are too weak, if they were that powerful they could have killed all our 200 men instead of raising the white flag for cease fire. They were beaten by merely 200 men armed with not so heavy artillery and still having over 3000 men were forced to give in. SANDF is really not a walk in the park.

patriot4: The report I quoted said the CAR army fought alongside with you.
Now I don't know how many died, the whole world focussed on your own dead soldiers.
There is no way you can tell me no CAR soldier died. You don't have proof for that claim.
And the CAR soldiers were not only stationed at a certain bridge, they were everywhere and they were fighting with you.

Doctors without borders who treated on Seleka casualties also recalled on how many of the seleka rebels died while being treated from injuries. Tell me did we also bought DWB to tell the world lies?

NaijaPikinGidi: First hand information because your journalists are the only reporters covering the CAR situation? So did the ANC really have interests?

Blerry joker!! You!!

So why don't you believe them when they tell you that 800 of the rebels were killed, yet you believe them when they report negatively about the government. It seems to me that you are very selective when it comes to what to believe and not. The best thing for you is not to believe everything at all that has to do with South African media.

patriot4: White south african farmers beware, they are comming for you.
And black south africans beware, because the white southafricans are arming up and training for a showdown, they will launch a preemptif strike when mandela dies.
Baware, it is anyday now.
Verry soon, boooooooooooooom in Johanesbourg, booooooooooooooooooooooooooom in pretoria.
Kadabooooooooooooooooom, HIV and obesity has stoped black south africans from being able to fight, they have significantly fallen for heart attack and gun shot wounds, but the genocide continues.
The streets are littred with white dead body!
UN cries out for he outrage !
Nigeria is begged to move in to rescue the whites and is offered a UNSC seat to do so.
Zimbabwe poors in and bombs everything on its way. Lesotho joins the dance. Ughanda secures the gold mines!
Bombing everywhere.
kabooooooom.
rwanda rushes in, congo rushes in.
badabooooooooooooooooom!
SA: population reduces to 16 million, famine everywhere, cannibalism reported in numerous locations.
Badaboooooooooooooom

Bwahahahahaha!! The only BOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM we hear about lies somewhere in the west of Africa in a country called Nigeria which ranks no:3 in the world in terms of terrorism activities.

chris365: and who which source aside from south african media proved that 800 rebels were killed?
your government downplayed the SANDF casualty cos it's a policy to hide your incompetence

It very sad that those very SA base sources are used when they disfavour us, but where they seem to give us positive reporting they are being dismissed as propaganda. FACT!!

South African media should be the first to report and all international media should follow. The incident happened to South Africans and the local media will have first hand information thereof. The world never knew anything about ANC interests in CAR until those very newspapers accused of propaganda reported about it.

patriot4: Well, Nigeria is not likely to split, but south africa is heading to a genocide:
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KejIHMyYhI
I will come and help stop the atrocities and limit the fight to taking back the land.
I will fight for the genocide to stop and the land to return to its rightful owners.

Boy you must watch out for Boko because anytime you can hear that, wait a moment, BoooooooooooooooommmmmMM while you are still enjoying your sticky pepper soup.

patriot4: I believe, you have access to google.
So in orther words: do it yourself.
I am tired of always having to quote sources while I read the news some months ago.
But for the last time:


South African army casualties in the Central African Republic two weeks ago may have been dramatically higher than the military has been telling us.
The bodies of two soldiers are handed over to family members during a ceremony at Air Force Base Waterkloof near Pretoria on March 28. (Delwyn Verasamy, M&G)

Allegations of a death toll considerably higher than the official figure of 13 first surfaced on Radio France Internationale (RFI), the most listened-to news service in Francophone Africa. The higher death toll claim has been flatly denied by South African authorities.

RFI's Bangui correspondent, Cyril Bensimon, says his source claims to have seen 50 body bags loaded on to a plane bound for Pretoria. Bensimon also quotes a Seleka officer claiming to have personally seen 36 dead South African Defence Force soldiers, and another 22 wounded.

A local journalist in Bangui, though not able to confirm the RFI number, believes the number of casualties is higher than 13. A number of the soldiers allegedly lost their lives far from Bangui, in the towns of Bangassou to the east and Boali in the northwest. A teacher in Bangassou claims to have seen the bodies of at least five South African soldiers.

If the casualty figures have been under-reported, a number of questions must be raised, including where the families of these alleged victims are and why, if they exist, have they remained quiet.

The question of the defence force's bravery is not challenged. What is being questioned here is why the soldiers bothered to fight with as much courage as they did for a cause that is so unclear. One local minister is now claiming that part of their motivation came from top-up payments made directly to the soldiers by deposed president François Bozizé.

Some of the answers to the South African presence in the CAR probably lie in a better understanding of South African interests in the country. What is known is that there certainly are South Africans involved in business and mining here. Allegations of who those South Africans are and who they have links to in the ANC are numerous.

What is also clear after only a brief period on the ground in the CAR is that finding answers to some of these questions is likely to be easier here than in the halls of ANC headquarters, Luthuli House.

Most of the seats on the flight to Bangui were empty. That's a bit of a surprise given that there is only one flight a week from Paris and most other options haven't been operating since the coup.
http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-05-00-car-army-death-toll-could-be-much-higher
No sorry, wrong one. Let's try again:
Fierce fighting erupted at night over the control of the city between Seleka rebels and the government forces FACA being backed by South African troops.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/africa/2013-03/24/c_132257389.htm

I like where it says "could" because it shows how uncertain they were. Unfortunately, their reservations bounced.

patriot4: Moreover we have done it before, it was an other jid=hadist group that called itself maitatsin.
And I do not see the logics you are using to get to your conclusion.
Even if we forget the fact that we have consistently explained to you that boko haram is mostly foreign, I still don't get your point, what makes it so special if they are not foreign ?
They are still human beings, a gun shot to the head will still kill them.
And I am not patrolling for the better part of my life, we have a 150000 strong army a 30000 strong navy and 15000 strong airforce and 300000 strong police paid to do the patrolling. We have drones and jets to do the patrolling.
We are fencing the borders and building military bases around the affected and the vulnerable communities and we are recruiting spies in those communities and injecting spies.
I have giving you all the details, that method worked for Israel, so you are not making sense.
You are trying to divert from the real issue:
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.
Madela will soon die and there is going to be a bloody civil war in south africa.

Before there can be any civil war in SA, Nigeria would have slit into three countries in respect of their three major ethnic groups.

chris365: since our neighbours are too weak to fight us, why don't you beg your government to declare war with us. I promise you it won't last a month or two and SANDF will run faster than they did when Seleka defeated them.

You should be ashamed to brag that you fought a 23 year war and without victory. And to think that you fought an inexperience army. Bow your head in shame you this bloody slowpoke.

nigerian military is far more experienced and have better achievements than your model agency you call SANDF. Facts are there for you to see.

If you want to dispute it, why don't you post SANDF achievements till date. Olodo buruku

Chief do want SANDF to commit atrocities of the worst order. No love our poor Nigerians.