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JeromeBlack:
Is that a defence for an immoral religious person

No, its not a defence for an immoral religious person, but it is an observational fact, and so how, I came to learn, by seeing, watching and thinking it over, that sex is, among, one of the most overrated things in this world whereas agape, genuine and/or real love is underrated.

JeromeBlack:
Religion is so obsessed with sex.

Almost everyone is so obsessed with sex

omokoladejames:
It is well boss... Though I don't understand ur need to play the teacher as I would like to believe we are both christains which means we should be able to share, converse and learn from each other freely, its within ur prerogative to do so and I respect that.

Have a good weekend sir.

My brother, I am not teaching anybody anything. I am being free with you and that is why I said to you: "please tell me what the pretty good idea is you have and I'll kindly reciprocate to confirm whether your hunch is right or not"

Is it too much of a request, to ask you about the pretty good idea you have where as you said, I am going, hmm? Why is when there is the opportunity after granting the request, to share, converse and learn from each other, that you are reading too much into my request, hmm?

If opportunity didn't knock, I would, if I were you, have built a door

It's not like, as if, truth, information and knowledge decreases by being shared. I am online 24/7, when you are ready brother.

Maestro21:
Today must be a really slow one for you.

That message was preached 2007. Pastor Anita divorced him 2014. I don't want to have to show you your very first and obvious goof.

The scriptures are clear so no need to debate those ones. Except and like I suspect, you don't even know them to begin with.

"The president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, as seen from the above YouTube video clip excerpts has been preaching this lopsided, unevenly balanced, biased and distorted in a way that is makes it inaccurate, unfair, misleading and indirectly talking about his wife and rocky marriage since 2014 and even after the uneventful breakdown of same marriage on April 9, 2014, when his now ex-wife filed for divorce at the Central Family Court in London"
- Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Woman Was Not God's Original Idea (video) by MuttleyLaff: 5:02am


You are really thicker than a two plank wood for publicly self embarrassing yourself

Is it until I paste a screenshot here, showing the date stamps of the video and sermon being made in 2014 and 2016 respectively that you would eat the humble pie and accept the humiliation for being ignorant of the fact years the video was uploaded to YouTube and the other sermon was preached

Of course, the shoes has been pinching his feet since around and before 2007. Cracks were already showing in his rocky marriage. He couldnt and didnt know how to handle this badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman of a wife he had. He was at wits end, that is why he had to resort to misinterpreting the Bible, like, saying husband in the Bible means master, when what it means is man, like a woman having a man, as in a husband. That was lie #1.

Then he went on to further goof that, woman was not part of God's original plan. Lie #2 and what a big fat heresy.

He moved on to then indirectly taking swipe at his wife's father. Codely saying the father didnt train the wife how to relate with her husband. Oyakhilome, was preaching about what he was dealing with at home. There is no two ways about it.

His missus, now ex wife saw through his bullshits, absurdity, irrationality and heresies. That is why she left him

Maestro21:
You should have listened to all. Then looked for more messages similar to that and listened to all. And imbibed words you and everyone in your family line did not know before.

I immediately knew you were lost when you started relating the message to his wife and her father. That was a 2007 message BTW.

If you are so wrong about something that can be verified like a date. Imagine how far off your understanding of scripture is in this regard.

You must be having a laugh, because it was after I listened to the entire video more than one time, that I decided to print out what he said, for the benefit of those not having enough data plan to watch the video.

I captured the errors he made and the circumstances or context around them. You heard and read how he took pot shots at the woman's father, saying the father didn't train the woman well enough on how to be with a husband. The man was codely talking about himself and his rocky marriage, before and after it crashed, misapplying and misusing scripture to back up his gaffes

generationz:
How were you able to reproduce the audio clip in written word . was it automatically done or you typed it out?

I did both.

Something YouTube clips like this one, are automatically transcripted, but they aren't always 100% correct, that is why I listened to this one and corrected when and where they transcripted incorrectly to type out the actual said words.

There were more, but it was getting to lengthy to type out, so I jacked the rest in and couldn't be anymore bothered to continue with it

omokoladejames:
Sir, there's really no need for all this merry go round... no one is the fountain of knowledge, kindly state ur point and we can all either learn from it or find flaws in your assertions. Either way someone learns something

PS: i believe i have a pretty good idea where you're going with this but I might be wrong in my assumptions and u might truly have a novel way of looking at the scriptures. Probably something we've all missed,so I believe it's best if you let us know ur train of thought

Sir please tell me what the pretty good idea is you have and I'll kindly reciprocate to confirm whether your hunch is right or not

omokoladejames:
Qadesh is a male cult prostitute in OT Hebrew sir... Using the understanding of language at the time kjv translated it as sodomite but most modern translation now use sacred/temple/cult prostitute...

I'm also interested in seeing where you're going with this sir.

Good. What a very good observation and discovery about qadesh. Yo have accepted and agreed from your researching, that qadesh is in its truest form of meaning is a male cult prostitute. that word is originally translated as sodomite and/or sodomy, plus modern translations, correctly term it as sacred/temple/cult prostituting

You're interested in seeing where I am going with this, but I am interested in seeing:
1/ What all your understanding of the word qadesh is?.
2/ I want to know from you, who a qadesh is.
3/ To your understanding, is there an equivalence of qadesh operating in our present modern day society
4/If yes to #3, then how, when and where are qadesh operating in our present moden society?

pressplay411:
It's the same sir, just spelling difference.

They arent the same. Qadesh is different to qedesh. Qadesh and qedesh are as different as chalk and cheese are

TechCapon:
OK. Thanks but if his wife was the virtuous woman as u portrayed I think she would still be in the marriage despite how painful

Nobi by force to raise peniis, you know that

Clifford121:
If only you were in his relationship before you come here and spill jargon from your silly ass mouth

"Komabitme atmaus" if you don't like what I typed. I''ll pay your cab fare

pressplay411:
Ok. I have done my part, if you feel the need to share your thought on the topic, please do.

No, you haven't. You went researching on qedesh, a completely different thing. Come back and tell, what your understanding of the word, qadesh means in the truest form of the meaning and originally in Bible.

iListen:
God bless you for this piece

Thank you dearie.

Here is to all the strong, opinionated, powerful, successful and intelligent virtuous women or wives out there.

TechCapon:
I'm sure you didn't watch the video but rushed to air your own opinion against a much superior and just one. If you watched the video you'll see where he proved it in the Bible

He proved nothing, he codedly was sending a message to his ex-wife, her dad and stylishly blaming her upbringing.

I reproduced the most important parts of what he said in the video, as excerpts. He was just shooting himself in the foot in it. What he doesnt know, is that he takes God given wisdom to click with strong, opinionated, powerful, successful and intelligent virtuous woman wife.

It is not by gra-gra, not by force, not crook or by crook, that a woman will be submissive to a husband. It comes, the respect and all by volition.

OkCornel:
According to Muttley's version of the Bible...

TGIF

pressplay411:
Ok. I found that Qadash or (Kadesh) means to be Holy, Sacred, Consecrated. In Sodom, it also refers to male or female prostitutes.
Now, why did you bring it up? How does it relate to our discourse on Homosexualism?

You are mixing them up pressplay411. Qadesh is male prostituting, and qedesha is female temple prostitutes, whilst qedesh is Holy, sacred or something consecrated.

Qadesh, is also in the Bible referenced as sodomy or a sodomite. Go and find out more, and correctly find out this time. OK?

Lizzysamuel:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, in the early hours of today, left many divided after a video of saying “husband” means “master”, surfaced today.

In the video which we believe is old, Pastor Chris pointed out why a woman must come under the authority of her husband once she's married.

However a few Nigerians and celebrities, attacked the clergyman for making such statement in the name of teachings..

Simisola, a Nigerian artist and women rights activist, took to her page to attack the clergyman for saying woman was not God's original idea and that they are not equal with men.


Watch the video

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8JUMbu1zDo

God, the Bible is never against badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous women, but badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous women scare most men, scares most men, who are weak or ignorant. God did not chastise Eve for being a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, but He told her off for openly disregarding His express command not to eat of the fruit.

Abigail, the wife of Nabal, she is another badass strong and opinionated woman. David sent word to Abigail, after hearing that Nabal was dead, asking her to become his wife, and so she became a wife of the future King David after Nabal's death. It was being a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, that was the attraction to David.

In spite of being a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, at 1 Samuel 25:41, look at how Abigail, in a token of humility, responded to David's proposal of marriage, she replied: "Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord." Abigail, the badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, brought herself down and small before David, as if she is an insignificant person, then saying to him, she wants to take care of David's servants and then referred to David, as her lord.

Many years before Abigail, used it, lord is the same adjective, Sarah, used for her husband Abraham too. Lord, is the same word we get landlord from, which means the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land or real estate which is rented. Sarah and Abigail, were merely recognising that their husbands are their owners.

Man shouldn't fear a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, because just like in the game of chess, it's a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman queen that protects the king.

The president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, at the video's 01:26 minute mark, made a mistake, in saying that the male partner in a marriage husband means master

"... do you know the meaning of husband. No, no I think some of you don't know. You think husband means the male, the male partner in a marriage. No, I think that's what you think. Some of you. You think husband means the male partner in a marriage. Husband does not mean the male partner in a marriage. Husband means master.

That's what it means, not the male partner in a marriage but you know, that's the reason there is a lot problems among Christians in their marriage.

I mean marriage, marriage in Christianity for most people is just a flop. Why? Because they don't agree with God's definitions. They have theirs, they say we are, they believe they're equal partners. A lot of times listen to two people that have just gotten married, a lot of times is the woman first speaks first

... let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. If you want to live according to the Bible, according to the Scriptures, then understand what the word says. The reason God made woman was because of man. He made the woman because of the man. That's why He made the woman. So women was not His original idea

Listen this is reality. Okay alright, scripture let's talk about. Let's say what the Bible says, now listen, when God have made everything and then
He made Adam, the Bible says everything was very good, already, everything was very good. No problem, then he got Adam. Listen. Okay, now be quiet, let me tell you something, if most women had their father bold enough to talk to them they will be very
successful in their marriage and will be very happy people. Most women have never been taught by their parents, their fathers particularly that's the biggest problem, they don't know who a man is, they think he's another woman. You see in a marriage you have the man who is the head of that Union and because he is the head of that union it is important to understand him. Now you think, he is the one that needs to understand his wife. That is where you're wrong. He will but until you know who you have married, the man that you came, it is like working for somebody and not knowing what he wants. It's like serving somebody and not knowing what he wants. When you say that you're marrying a man, you are coming under his authority. The Bible says the man is the head of the woman, so when you marry him, you're coming under his authority. You're not authority sharers, even though you are both heirs to the kingdom of God because there there is neither male nor female but we are functioning here, that's why you were given the body of a woman and he given the body of a male, so in that union in that relationship there is a head, so when you say you're marrying a man, you are subjecting yourself to his authority

Now when you decide not to subject yourself to that authority, you are a rebel. Can you see that and God's not going to accept what you're doing. He cant accept it because you're not functioning correctly. Why did God make the woman? Simple, when you start in Genesis He says this, study all the way from chapter 2 into chapter 3, you see the whole thing, now He says, He brought all the animals before Adam, to see what he would call them and name them and when he was done, the Bible tells us there was not found a suitable one for Adam, no suitable company or companion for Adam, then God said, it is now at this point I want us to read it. Some of you women when I'm through with this you'll be in a hurry to marry

Are you in Genesis? Alright chapter 2, Genesis chapter 2, from verse 18 and the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone, say the word alone, alone. He didn't say it is not good that the man should be lonely. There's a big difference between being alone and being lonely he was not lonely, he was alone and when you say alone it means alone about something. Let's go on. What God said? It is not good that the man should be alone I will make him I will make him a partner. Come on talk to me. A partner? I will make him a supervisor?
No, the way some people are, I mean you see the man, the man's going and the woman is right behind you know like a supervisor. He didn't say I'll make him a supervisor. Look at your Bible again. I will make him a help. I'll make him a help. The Hebrew word is Asia, it means help, a help meet for him, help, help, a help, a help, a help qualified for him. A help, I will make him a help because he was alone. I will make him somebody to help him. I will make him somebody to help him. Why? Because God gave him a responsibility, he needed a help, not somebody to tell him what to do but a help. What's the matter with you.

If that is easily understood in every home, I don't think you have problems. I tell people you don't need a marriage seminar, you need a word seminar. If you just listen to the word of God, you wont have all this fighting. It pays to do what God says. Your strength is in being God's place where He puts you, that's your strength. Let me tell you, no husband wants another mother. Get it now, your husband doesn't want another mother. He's had one all his life. He doesn't want an older sister, he probably had one. Your secret, is in obedience, your secret, is in listening to your husband, your secret, is in doing those things that please him. When you don't do those things that please your husband, you take the role of a mother or you take the role of an older sister. What happens automatically is, he starts seeing you differently. The reaction he has for those that tried to tell him what to do, will be the reactions he'll have towards you, then you start saying I don't understand him, you will now become anyhow. You know the meaning of anyhow? First you would dress as you choose because he doesn't tell you what to do. You act as you choose because he doesn't tell you what to do you do, you do what you like because you are your own boss and you know what? A man, loves the one he serves and the one that serves him. He fights the one, that is at the level with him. You see it, so when you find your husband trying to tell you who's the owner, who is the owner of this car, you say ah ah, are we are, are we not together. You are supposed to be together but there's a problem when someone starts telling you I'm older than you. There's a reason, there's a reason because it's supposed to be obvious it means you're in rebellion and he's trying to re-emphasize some things for you. Don't create, don't make your life hard, listen to me, to be happy in your home and in your marriage is the easiest thing in the world. Just take your role, take your place, that place that God gave you is a beautiful place. Is a place of peace, is a place of love, is a place of excellence. When you come out of it, you find, it's not a husband you, you have. You call him a husband but it's not a husband. It's like what Jesus said, they call me Lord Lord but they don't do what I tell them to do. Actually every wise person listens to wise voices but he will listen to a wise voice that is presented wisely. Everyone rebels against the voice that tries to make a fool out of him so even when you tell I remember SG Elton an old man of God years ago, a Briton who came to live in Nigeria for many years before he died, he made a statement who in the meeting with him and he said the best way to destroy what you're trying to say is to try to teach your teachers, so you destroy what you're trying to say. For some of you the..."
- Oyakhilome YouTube video excerpt

The president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, as seen from the above YouTube video clip excerpts has been preaching this lopsided, unevenly balanced, biased and distorted in a way that is makes it inaccurate, unfair, misleading and indirectly talking about his wife and rocky marriage since 2014 and even after the uneventful breakdown of same marriage on April 9, 2014, when his now ex-wife filed for divorce at the Central Family Court in London.

Oyakhilome repeats giving this wrong information and teaches again, on Rhapsody Of Realities in 2016 and also in a sermon titled "Who is a HUSBAND and what is His Role?" in same 2016, that husband does not mean the male partner in a marriage, but husband means master.

This is teaching gone totally and terribly bad because, husband, in the Bible, doesnt mean and never means master. The original Hebrew word that we get the English translation, husband from, is "ish". "Ish" means, man, as in, the woman, in the truest sense of the word, literally has herself a man. It doesnt as Oyakhilome erroneously puts it, means master. The equivalent Greek word "aner" that we get the English translation, husband from, also too, means, man

It is by the grace of God, that men have the gift that enables them to fit in, be in harmony and click with a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent woman. I love badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent woman. It is one of the things, what attracts and attracted me to my missus and I thank God for letting me be one those guys who believes that you need a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman in my life

Contrary to another erroneous thing Oyakhilome says too, that women were an afterthought, that also is a right load of old codswallop. Men are from earth and women are from earth, so whats the big deal in that, hmm? The woman, as a matter of fact, is God's pièce de résistance. She is the best and most important creation, an exciting thing, that happened last in a series of creational things. Praise thy Lord! Hallelujah!!.

Man and woman, might have different roles to play and its true their roles might be different, but their rights are equal. Of course, the man is the head, but the woman is the neck too, and she as the neck, can turn the head whichever way she pleases. Man doesnt need to or have to demand submissiveness of his wife, because this has to come naturally by the woman's own volition and not by hook or by crook methods, like the ones preached by the president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome. If you let your head get too big, it'll break your neck and he who waits for the sword to fall upon his neck, will surely lose his head. Cover and protect your wives. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Simi is absolutely right. Oyakhilome's ex wife saw through his bullshit, absurdity, irrationality and heresies, thats why she left him. Oyakhilome who be "Alfa Imam, wey no get bia-bia, prophet wey no sabi Bible, dede"

OkCornel:
So Jesus instructed his followers can go ahead to HATE their brothers, sisters, husbands and wives if they are enemies... Muttley, please bring the scriptural reference where Jesus instructed such...


Wow... Hatred for one's enemies/evil doers must really be a fruit of the Spirit as well...

Stephen must have also hated those that stoned him to death...

Perhaps Jesus hated and cursed those that crucified Him since they're workers of iniquity too...

If Stephen hadnt died, he would have picked up each stone and build a wall of defence for himself

OkCornel:
Where did Jesus instructed His followers to hate their enemies?

If your own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters are enemies, then, that's where He did

OkCornel:
It's baffling how some people can't differentiate between Judaism and Christianity!

How can one repay evil with good when he hates his enemies?

I hate all workers of iniquity, enemies of progress and thieving bastards.
If my enemy or thieving bastard is on fire, I love him/her enough, to piss on to and put the fire out
That is how one differentiates between OT and NT and how you repay evil with good, when you see your hated enemy that was on fire

pressplay411:
You seem not to have wholely submitted to the Word of God. Any part of our self/idol/mindset/possessions/nature that don't die to, that we don't submit to the Lordship of God becomes our weakness. It corrupts how we see and understand the scriptures.

1/ How do you see a "qadesh"?.
2/ What in its truest sense and original meaning is a "qadesh"?
3/ Do you know what a litmus test is? OK, let see how wholely you've submitted to the Word of God. Let's find out how well, you see and understand the scriptures, hmm?

pressplay411:
People who don't want to experience suffering don't want to hear scriptures which about suffering for Christ.
People who don't want to experience any form of poverty don't want to hear that blessed is the poor, or how nearly impossible it is for the rich to make the kingdom of God

You know pressplay411, the difference between me and other people, is that, I rather be labelled a liar while telling the truth, than pretend to tell the truth, while telling a lie

pressplay411:
People who want to continue to drink and fornicate will likewise quote scriptures to their own destruction.

The bible is not against drinking pressplay411. Moderation, the avoidance of excess or extremes is advised. The bible is against drinking to the state of drunkenness, where and when one gets to the point of losing control of their faculties or behaviour.

Ephesians 5:18, recommends spiritual drunkenness, to be filled with the Spirit, as in, be drunk in Holy Spirit, instead of getting drunk on wine, wherein is excess, will lead to reckless indiscretion

As, for fornication pressplay411, this is a complete no-no. Fornication, is a thing that is not possible or acceptable with any anyone claiming to be living and enjoying a strictly monogamous relationship lifestyle, of no cheating, no sleeping around, no emotional harm to anyone, no covetousness, no taking of what is not yours, no etcetera

pressplay411:
For some reason you don't see anything wrong with consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism, and you're not the first. But until you're to submit it, you will not why it is wrong.

For some reason you don't seem, to realise and know that , it is not consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism, but it is consenting adults committing "harmless" homosexualism that is not being promiscuous, that not being unfaithful, that's not cheating, thats not sleeping around, that isnt being idolatory, that is not part of a sexual ritual sex worship

pressplay411:
What's a qadesh?

You have the first go at what "qadesh" is pressplay411. OK? You tell first, all you've gone to find out about "qadesh". What you understand "qadesh" to be?. What you equate "qadesh" to be? Why you equate "qadesh" to what you've deemed it to be.? Tell whether your understanding, perfectly agrees, in the truest sense of it, with the original meaning of the word "qadesh", hmm?

Damyonline:
President and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome preaches at his church saying, "woman was not God's original idea."

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome can be heard saying,
The reason God made woman was because of man. He made the woman because if the man that is why he made the woman
so woman was not his original idea, this is reality
ok scripture, let's see what the Bible says;
When God had made everything and he then had made Adam, everything was VERY GOOD
Already, everything was very good, no problem.
Then he got Adam... listen... ok...
If most women had their fathers bold enough to talk to them, they would be more successful in marriage and they will be very happy.
Most women have never been taalked to by their parents, their father especially
That's their biggest problem
they dont know who a man is, they think he is another woman
see...in a marriage, you are the man, who is the head of that union
and because he is the head of that union, it is important to understand him
now you think he is the one that needs to understand his wife, that is where you are wrong
he will but until you know the man who you have married, the man that came..
it is like working for somebody and not knowing what he wants...

KristaPretty:
Useless man!!! That is why his wife left him. Rubbish bleaching man!

You are absolutely right. His ex wife saw through his bullshits, absurdity, irrationality and heresies.

wirinet:
Religion is truely a virus that once it infect the brain, it starts to delete its rational sectors slowly but surely.
If woman was not the original plan of Pastor Oyakhilomes god, then what was his original plan, and why did he change it? If male and female of every animal (and plants) were part of the original plan, why was man different. So only one man was supposed to live on the entire planet with animals and plants reproducing.

The man being master is the most reprehensible doctrine I have heard, it's no different from Islamic terrorist doctrine on women. No wonder he can keep a wife, as no woman would agree to marry her "master".
I advise ladies to shine their eyes very well before saying I do to any man. They should flee from any man that believes he is going to be her master in marriage, so as to avoid the pastor Anita experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8JUMbu1zDo

God, the Bible is never against badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous women, but badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous women scare most men, scares most men, who are weak or ignorant. God did not chastise Eve for being a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, but He told her off for openly disregarding His express command not to eat of the fruit.

Abigail, the wife of Nabal, she is another badass strong and opinionated woman. David sent word to Abigail, after hearing that Nabal was dead, asking her to become his wife, and so she became a wife of the future King David after Nabal's death. It was being a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, that was the attraction to David.

In spite of being a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, at 1 Samuel 25:41, look at how Abigail, in a token of humility, responded to David's proposal of marriage, she replied: "Behold, let thine handmaid be a servant to wash the feet of the servants of my lord." Abigail, the badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, brought herself down and small before David, as if she is an insignificant person, then saying to him, she wants to take care of David's servants and then referred to David, as her lord.

Many years before Abigail, used it, lord is the same adjective, Sarah, used for her husband Abraham too. Lord, is the same word we get landlord from, which means the owner of a house, apartment, condominium, land or real estate which is rented. Sarah and Abigail, were merely recognising that their husbands are their owners.

Man shouldn't fear a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman, because just like in the game of chess, it's a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman queen that protects the king.

The president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, at the video's 01:26 minute mark, made a mistake, in saying that the male partner in a marriage husband means master

"... do you know the meaning of husband. No, no I think some of you don't know. You think husband means the male, the male partner in a marriage. No, I think that's what you think. Some of you. You think husband means the male partner in a marriage. Husband does not mean the male partner in a marriage. Husband means master.

That's what it means, not the male partner in a marriage but you know, that's the reason there is a lot problems among Christians in their marriage.

I mean marriage, marriage in Christianity for most people is just a flop. Why? Because they don't agree with God's definitions. They have theirs, they say we are, they believe they're equal partners. A lot of times listen to two people that have just gotten married, a lot of times is the woman first speaks first

... let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. If you want to live according to the Bible, according to the Scriptures, then understand what the word says. The reason God made woman was because of man. He made the woman because of the man. That's why He made the woman. So women was not His original idea

Listen this is reality. Okay alright, scripture let's talk about. Let's say what the Bible says, now listen, when God have made everything and then
He made Adam, the Bible says everything was very good, already, everything was very good. No problem, then he got Adam. Listen. Okay, now be quiet, let me tell you something, if most women had their father bold enough to talk to them they will be very
successful in their marriage and will be very happy people. Most women have never been taught by their parents, their fathers particularly that's the biggest problem, they don't know who a man is, they think he's another woman. You see in a marriage you have the man who is the head of that Union and because he is the head of that union it is important to understand him. Now you think, he is the one that needs to understand his wife. That is where you're wrong. He will but until you know who you have married, the man that you came, it is like working for somebody and not knowing what he wants. It's like serving somebody and not knowing what he wants. When you say that you're marrying a man, you are coming under his authority. The Bible says the man is the head of the woman, so when you marry him, you're coming under his authority. You're not authority sharers, even though you are both heirs to the kingdom of God because there there is neither male nor female but we are functioning here, that's why you were given the body of a woman and he given the body of a male, so in that union in that relationship there is a head, so when you say you're marrying a man, you are subjecting yourself to his authority

Now when you decide not to subject yourself to that authority, you are a rebel. Can you see that and God's not going to accept what you're doing. He cant accept it because you're not functioning correctly. Why did God make the woman? Simple, when you start in Genesis He says this, study all the way from chapter 2 into chapter 3, you see the whole thing, now He says, He brought all the animals before Adam, to see what he would call them and name them and when he was done, the Bible tells us there was not found a suitable one for Adam, no suitable company or companion for Adam, then God said, it is now at this point I want us to read it. Some of you women when I'm through with this you'll be in a hurry to marry

Are you in Genesis? Alright chapter 2, Genesis chapter 2, from verse 18 and the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone, say the word alone, alone. He didn't say it is not good that the man should be lonely. There's a big difference between being alone and being lonely he was not lonely, he was alone and when you say alone it means alone about something. Let's go on. What God said? It is not good that the man should be alone I will make him I will make him a partner. Come on talk to me. A partner? I will make him a supervisor?
No, the way some people are, I mean you see the man, the man's going and the woman is right behind you know like a supervisor. He didn't say I'll make him a supervisor. Look at your Bible again. I will make him a help. I'll make him a help. The Hebrew word is Asia, it means help, a help meet for him, help, help, a help, a help, a help qualified for him. A help, I will make him a help because he was alone. I will make him somebody to help him. I will make him somebody to help him. Why? Because God gave him a responsibility, he needed a help, not somebody to tell him what to do but a help. What's the matter with you.

If that is easily understood in every home, I don't think you have problems. I tell people you don't need a marriage seminar, you need a word seminar. If you just listen to the word of God, you wont have all this fighting. It pays to do what God says. Your strength is in being God's place where He puts you, that's your strength. Let me tell you, no husband wants another mother. Get it now, your husband doesn't want another mother. He's had one all his life. He doesn't want an older sister, he probably had one. Your secret, is in obedience, your secret, is in listening to your husband, your secret, is in doing those things that please him. When you don't do those things that please your husband, you take the role of a mother or you take the role of an older sister. What happens automatically is, he starts seeing you differently. The reaction he has for those that tried to tell him what to do, will be the reactions he'll have towards you, then you start saying I don't understand him, you will now become anyhow. You know the meaning of anyhow? First you would dress as you choose because he doesn't tell you what to do. You act as you choose because he doesn't tell you what to do you do, you do what you like because you are your own boss and you know what? A man, loves the one he serves and the one that serves him. He fights the one, that is at the level with him. You see it, so when you find your husband trying to tell you who's the owner, who is the owner of this car, you say ah ah, are we are, are we not together. You are supposed to be together but there's a problem when someone starts telling you I'm older than you. There's a reason, there's a reason because it's supposed to be obvious it means you're in rebellion and he's trying to re-emphasize some things for you. Don't create, don't make your life hard, listen to me, to be happy in your home and in your marriage is the easiest thing in the world. Just take your role, take your place, that place that God gave you is a beautiful place. Is a place of peace, is a place of love, is a place of excellence. When you come out of it, you find, it's not a husband you, you have. You call him a husband but it's not a husband. It's like what Jesus said, they call me Lord Lord but they don't do what I tell them to do. Actually every wise person listens to wise voices but he will listen to a wise voice that is presented wisely. Everyone rebels against the voice that tries to make a fool out of him so even when you tell I remember SG Elton an old man of God years ago, a Briton who came to live in Nigeria for many years before he died, he made a statement who in the meeting with him and he said the best way to destroy what you're trying to say is to try to teach your teachers, so you destroy what you're trying to say. For some of you the..."
- Oyakhilome YouTube video excerpt

The president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, as seen from the above YouTube video clip excerpts has been preaching this lopsided, unevenly balanced, biased and distorted in a way that is makes it inaccurate, unfair, misleading and indirectly talking about his wife and rocky marriage since 2014 and even after the uneventful breakdown of same marriage on April 9, 2014, when his now ex-wife filed for divorce at the Central Family Court in London.

Oyakhilome repeats giving this wrong information and teaches again, on Rhapsody Of Realities in 2016 and also in a sermon titled "Who is a HUSBAND and what is His Role?" in same 2016, that husband does not mean the male partner in a marriage, but husband means master.

This is teaching gone totally and terribly bad because, husband, in the Bible, doesnt mean and never means master. The original Hebrew word that we get the English translation, husband from, is "ish". "Ish" means, man, as in, the woman, in the truest sense of the word, literally has herself a man. It doesnt as Oyakhilome erroneously puts it, means master. The equivalent Greek word "aner" that we get the English translation, husband from, also too, means, man

It is by the grace of God, that men have the gift that enables them to fit in, be in harmony and click with a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent woman. I love badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent woman. It is one of the things, what attracts and attracted me to my missus and I thank God for letting me be one those guys who believes that you need a badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman in my life

Contrary to another erroneous thing Oyakhilome says too, that women were an afterthought, that also is a right load of old codswallop. Men are from earth and women are from earth, so whats the big deal in that, hmm? The woman, as a matter of fact, is God's pièce de résistance. She is the best and most important creation, an exciting thing, that happened last in a series of creational things. Praise thy Lord! Hallelujah!!.

Man and woman, might have different roles to play and its true their roles might be different, but their rights are equal. Of course, the man is the head, but the woman is the neck too, and she as the neck, can turn the head whichever way she pleases. Man doesnt need to or have to demand submissiveness of his wife, because this has to come naturally by the woman's own volition and not by hook or by crook methods, like the ones preached by the president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome. If you let your head get too big, it'll break your neck and he who waits for the sword to fall upon his neck, will surely lose his head. Cover and protect your wives. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Of course God can show you or anyone else, for that matter, who to marry, but God long time ago stopped outrightly telling anyone who to marry, but Dafemich, do you know why Myles Munroe RIP said God doesn't tell you who to marry?

pressplay411:
It's not weather he's nice or kind or good in works. It is all dead works if he's not saved.
It is simply wrong because the Bible says so. That's all the articulation I need.

Genesis to Revelations only portrayed the union of a man and a woman as the righteous and acceptable union.
Every act of homosexualism was portrayed in the scriptures as a symptom and litmus test of immorally degenerate society leaning towards God's judgment.

If you truly submit to the Word of the LORD, that would be good because the Scriptures state it expressly that it is wrong.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

God hates the qadesh. You do know what a qadeshbis, don't you? Well, God doesnt hate SSA people living and enjoying a strictly monogamous SSA relationship lifestyle, rather He loves them , just the same way He loves you and I, because where love abides, there God is and therein, you'll find God

pressplay411, don't take my word for it, please go and properly read that 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 scripture and carefully study it, you will find out that the scripture has nothing to do or say about two consenting adults enjoying and living a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship that harms no one, not children, not animal, not any human being

pressplay411:
Why will anyone who names the name of Christ proclaim he endorses homosexualism?
God does love the world (saint and sinners) but he doesn't condone sin, you understand that right?

We are to love them regardless just as we are to love every one else as ourselves. It is that love that will provoke us to pray for them, just as we hate to see what the devil has made out of God's perfection.

I was committing immoralities just as bad as homosexuality. I won't therefore say God loves my immoral ways, even though he still loved me as a sinner. However it grieves Him that I was on the path of destruction and I was corrupting others and spreading immorality.

God is always, a God of righteousness. That is His Nature and He never changes that for anyone. Jesus Christ sat with sinners preaching salvation to them

1/ Please articulate to the best of your understanding, what is evil, wrong and bad in two adult having a romantic strictly monogamous same same sex attraction relationship, that is caring, loyal, kind, love until death do apart and is not harmful to anyone or anything, not a person, not a child and not an animal, hmm pressplay411?

2/ What immorality are such two living and enjoying a strictly monogamous same sex attraction relationship lifestyle, no cheating, no sleeping around, no etcetera hmm?

elated177:
I already know muttleylaff as twister and manipulator of the Scriptures.

If he says "YHVH is love"; he at that moment is speaking the truth. And I will agree with him. The Truth is not partial. The Truth is a respecter of no one.

However, if he turns around and says, "YHVH's love includes acceptance of homosexuality and same sex aberration called marriage", I will, with unmitigated passion, disagree with him.

Am I going to deny that Yahushua the Messiah is the Son of YHVH anytime Satan, the father of lies, makes such statement?

Read:
Acts 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high Elohim, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Yahushua the Messiah to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
Did Paul and Silas deny the truth because it came from the mouth of a demon possessed girl?

elated177:
Make no mistake, muttleylaff, nothing unites the two of us in this regard.

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elated177:
You see, budaatum, even muttleylaff - a chronic, dyed in the wool, unrepentant twister and manipulator of the Scriptures -has shamed his employer and master, Satan, and stated the truth here.

Though, the saints must not be deceived.

What we agree on, what unites us elated177, is far more stronger and bigger than what we disagree and differ on

elated177:
He did actually.

Unless you, budaatum, bow down and worship or revere and honour the Messiah Yahushua, you have no life in you.

True to that.

budaatum:
I'd remind you you said so when he tells you Gods word is love same gender sex people.

Gender is out of the equation, as you would know, there is no male or female in Heaven and that's what we'll ultimately become, genderless, just as like with how angels are genderless.