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UceeGod:
The first time I argued with him, this was exactly what I noticed about him - difficulty in understanding even simplest matters. There's no point engaging this dude in any serious matter let alone spiritual realities.

Fyi, Anas09, is a her and not a him.

No be small thing ooo, her "gra-gra" na first grade and when she doesnt have her way, she'll turn it into rough rough or drop mata like hin dey hot, as if nah hot potato. She bin just like "Alfa Imam wey no get biabia, prophet wey no sabi God"

MuttleyLaff:
List all the so called abominations the anointed of God and moG has said please.

Softpower:
SSA is abomination

¹⁶There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
¹⁷Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
¹⁸A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
¹⁹A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
- Proverbs 6:16-19

Proverbs 6:16-19 above is a list of what God hates. It is a list of what God finds detestable and it is also a list of what are abominations to God.

Now, Proverbs 6:18a, is where from, two of your favourite Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 misguided and misinterpreted verses fits but you need to ask yourself, what specifically in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, is abomination to God

Fyi, Malachi 2:16, where God says, He hates divorce, also slots perfectly well in to Proverbs 6:18a
Another fyi is, Amos 5:21, where God says: "I hate your religious festivals, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies" is another verse, again, that slots perfectly well in to Proverbs 6:18a

Please feel free to ask me questions. Dont be shy, dont hesistate to ask, if there is a need to shed more light.

Softpower:
Same Sex Attraction

You clearly can see from Proverbs 6:16-19 reproduced above, that please, homosexuality, that is strictly monogamous and faithful to a partner is not hated by God nor an abomination to God

Softpower:
Now how can two men make love without committing Sodomy?

C'mon now, you very well know that biblically speaking and in the truest sense of its meaning, sodomy is male prostituting, whether it be on religious or financial grounds. Sodomy, in genuine biblically terms and in the truest sense of its meaning, has nothing and never had anything to do with anyone that is in a strictly monogamous and faithful relationship of any kind, same sex attraction relationship or otherwise

Softpower:
This is anal and oral sodomy

You do know that, sex for pleasure and/or for procreating, involves many other body parts, in addition, to not only the front nether regions, as in, private parts, dont you, hmm?

Softpower:
And even heterosexuals aren't allowed by traditional law to be doing sodomy.

Both heterosexuals and homosexuals or lesbians are not expected to do sodomy. This is infidelity, as in, being unfaithful etcetera

Softpower:
Sodomy is the worst of all evils

"Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven,
but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven"
- Luke 12:10

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the worst of all evils. Lying against the Holy Spirit, like Pharisees do, as in, Faraway-to-see, is among the worst of all evils. Giving God's Holy Spirit any reason to be upset with you, is among the worst of all evils.
cc EmperorHarry

Anas09:
Ah, this matter taya me no be small tin.

Hin no taaya you say, same sex attraction person who deserves a safe and supportive environment to live in peace and harmony within the community but has been made out, to become unloved, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera. Even to date, same sex attraction people, as we speak, are still being discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shamed, abandoned, imprisoned, rejected and fear for their lives.

Hin no taaya you say hate discussions and crimes against same sex attraction people, do not happen often maybe in more developed countries but in the Middle East region, in Naija, in Africa and parts of Asia, its a very huge problem and a considerable concern. Same sex attraction people may not be killed for being that, in Europe or the US but they still have to contend and deal with toxic hate. It suppose to taaya people like you Anas09, who use false religion and use the Bible incorrectly, as the basis for your reasoning which in reality, is a ruse, because you use that, as a mask and/or an excuse, to hide your own insecurity, ignorance and prejudice against harmless strictly monogamous loving same sex attraction people.

Na only wicked person, someone with no empathy, no compassion that would do nothing, say nothing, bury head in sand, and drop discussions like this as if its a hot potato, when minority people are getting maimed, getting injured, getting hunted down and killed just because of their same sex attraction sexuality

Softpower:
It's not him talking it's what's inside him saying these abominations

List all the so called abominations the anointed of God and moG has said please.

PoliteActivist:
Imagine u have 1 billion in the bank and 1000 women swooning at u...
Why do u think holy men avoid money and material possessions

Every believer is entitled to money and material possessions, this is the reason why God blessed King Solomon with riches, and wealth, and honour as a secondary. Wisdom and knowledge are first, when holy men stick to wisdom and knowledge, there wont be an abuse of position, money and material possessions, even if you have 1.1 billion in the bank and 1001 women swooning at your feet.

Always run away from temptations and quickly, so they dont catch up to you. The devil tempts all men, and idle men, even let the devil tempt them. He who cannot resist temptation is not a real man.

VBCampaign:
MuttleyLaff the writer was a child... 14 years old when it happened

Is there anything wrong or incorrect in all those adjectives I used? Are they exaggerations or hyperboles?

You just reminded me of when I frankly to told one of my kids, who then was less than half of 14 years, that, listen nobody, I say nobaga touches you down there, OK. It is called private part for a reason. If anyone does or tries to, you need to exit fast and pronto, let Daddy & Mummy know about it asap after. I didnt have to repeat myself twice. The message was understood. On-topic, how old do you think Mary was? People dont like this kind of elephant in the room question

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bzn2VBFAZw_/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
Now tell me what you think about that less than 5-6 years old "panasharp" girl in above Instagram short video clip, erhn VBCampaign?

VBCampaign:
The Busola Dakolo in All of Us

By: Ayo Adene (Culled from Facebook)

Backstory: Busola Dakolo is an alumnus of my secondary school.

That was where she was when she first knew Biodun Fatoyinbo.

At the time, Busola was a school fellowship leader.
Like Busola, I had been a student fellowship leader in the same school.

Back in Busola’s home town, Fatoyinbo was a fellowship leader.

Nowadays he is the senior pastor of a popular, youth-oriented church, COZA.

Busola’s exposure to Fatoyinbo led to a series of sexual violations.

The interview where Busola speaks for the 1st time about her experience, has led to a public debate, including whether she should have spoken up, or whether she can be believed.

***

When I was 12 years old, I didn’t know a lot about sex, except that it was forbidden.

I was raised in an environment where it was not okay to say the word penis.

That was a bad word. So we used euphemisms instead. Like, kòkòrò.

Yes, we conflated sexuality with morality.

Then one sunny afternoon, in the Staff School at Ibadan, Mr Boadi broached the subject of puberty to my Primary Six class.

As he described the sex organs and their changes, the boys sniggered and the girls blushed.

Then one boy at the back of the room, Sola, who was bigger than the rest of us, whipped out his kòkòrò.

When the other boys who sat on his row, saw how big Sola’s kòkòrò was, they burst into excited laughter. Some girls saw it too, and squealed.

That’s how my generation was raised. To be awkward, ashamed & dismissive about sex.

By the time I was 14, I had moved on to the School for Gifted Children, that had just been established in the federal capital territory. The same school Busola Dakolo would later join.

Our set was the pioneer class, and many had never been so far from home.

Boys and girls stayed in separate boarding houses, and from the window of my room in the dorm, I could see Aunty Dupe’s home.

A slim, dark young woman, with a scarf over her demure perm, Aunty Dupe was the boarding house mistress, who lived beyond the mechanical water pump, facing the girls hostel.

At the time, I had become the leader of the students’ Christian fellowship. Aunty Dupe was a prominent elder there, among the teachers who regularly participated in the fervent prayer and worship sessions we had twice a week.

On Sundays and Wednesdays, Aunty Dupe was a deeply spiritual woman who spoke in tongues and received prophecies direct from heaven.

But, during school hours, she was also my Economics teacher.

Under Aunty Dupe’s tutelage, I would become the star student, who always scored the top grades in Economics tests. So much that whenever Bimbo or Justin overtook my first place, I’d get upset. I felt I knew Adam Smith and Inelasticity of Demand & Supply, like the back of my hand.

And at night, Aunty Dupe taught me other things.
Things that were not in our textbooks.

See in those days, the new school had yet to be connected to electricity. We operated a stand by generator, which was switched off after prep every evening.

And after all students had retired to the dormitory, I would get a handwritten note, delivered by anyone of the girls, who lived in the dormitory right next to Aunty Dupe’s house.

That she wanted to see me.

And I went.

I would walk the short distance between my hostel, past the mechanical water pump boys often used for testing their muscles. I would knock on the door to Aunty Dupe’s bungalow.

She would open, and let me in.

Inside, it was dimly lit.

A rechargeable lamp with a bulb that had seen better days, a flickering candle on a table in the corner, and that was all.

At the door, I could make out a dining table, with 2 chairs. And in the distance, a soft sofa.

Someone sat there. It was Mark ( real name withheld).
Mark and I had grown up in the same university campus as children, but he had gone off to school in Ilorin, and now we were together again in this gifted school.

He was friend, confidant and brother all at once.
And he sat there, in the sofa, in the dark.
I said Hey. Mark said Hey.

And Aunty Dupe sat smiling, at the dinner table.
In front of her, an open bible. The big, black type, with many appendices and colored bookmarks.

Aunty Dupe pulled a chair for me, and I sat with her.

Silence.

Awkward silence.

Feet shuffling.

Crickets chirping.

Mark coughed.

I have to go he said.

He got up.

“Ok, Mark. God bless you”, she said.

And my friend was gone.

And the teacher and I, were alone.

Then she told me things.

About the Holy Spirit.

She’d had her eye on me, she said.

She knew I was gifted with the things of The Spirit, she said.

But I need to go farther, you see.

I needed to develop a deeper discernment of The Spirit, you see.

“Pull your chair closer to mine” Aunty Dupe said.

I drew closer.

“No, closer” she said
And I did, until we were face to face.

The candle flickered.

The crickets chirped.

I smelt her fragrant talc, and her misty breath.

And she leaned in to my face, and asked: “Do you trust me?”

Why not. In this dark house. In the middle of nowhere.

With other students and staff fast asleep in their beds.

Yes, I trusted this woman. She was a mother in Israel, and she wanted to help me develop my spiritual gifts.
“Yes, of course” I answered.

“Good”, she said. “Now I’m going to teach you to fully trust the Holy Spirit: “Open your mouth”
She gazed into my eyeballs. The flickering lights from the candle became a blur as I accommodated her dimly lit face in my field of view, and blocked out everything else.

Obediently, I said “Aahh…”

Then she leaned into me, and slowly, began to insert her moist tongue into my opened mouth.

I flinched.

“Don’t,” Aunty Dupe chastised, drawing back.

“I’m sorry” I said.

Then she smiled. “You have to relax, and let the Lord use you”.

Again she repeated, “Do you trust me?”

I nodded.

She leaned in, and inserted her tongue farther, exploring my buccal cavity.

Silence. Crickets. A flickering candle in the corner of my eye.

I closed my eyes, and felt how open I had become to the Holy Spirit. Or Aunty Dupe. Or the Holy Spirit. I wasn’t sure which was which any more.

And my heart beat faster with each gentle flick of the teacher’s tongue inside my open mouth, but I was doing what the Holy Spirit wanted me to do.

Time became a blur, until my teacher withdrew her tongue, leaned back, and smiled.

Her big black bible still lay open on the dining table, so she took it and flipped a page or two. She read out some verse I needed to meditate upon, until our next meeting.

She escorted me to the door, and I crossed the road. The crickets no longer chirped, and the stars above had gone to bed. And so I did I.

And on other nights, there were other meetings.

***

If I had wanted to tell a teacher, or my parents, how would I describe what happened?

In those days, difficult discussions would often close with, “now let us commit such-and-such into the hands of the Lord”.

That’s not the kind of culture that helps a child to open up.

Until this year, and until therapy, I hadn’t even known that the action performed on me by a trusted Church leader when I was 14 was not spiritual at all.

Which is why, what Busola Dakolo has done, years after it happened, takes growth.

And, when one person’s outspokenness exposes the unhealed traumas of very many others, there are bound to be those who shout her down, to avoid confronting their own repressed truths.

One person’s honesty can also help others.

When I told my friend Tola ( real name withheld), about my nights with the teacher, she shocked me with her own revelation … that the boarding house master who lived across the road from Aunty Dupe’s house, had sexually assaulted her too.

***

I have one picture of me in Aunty Dupe’s house.

Even though the photography is no longer clear, there’s a lot of body language to interpret.

My teacher leaning into me.

Me crossing my hands and legs defensively.

And my face, the innocence, the naïveté.

I didn’t see it clearly when I was 14, until recently, with some help.

Likewise, all the Busolas out there will never open up, without at least one person telling them it's okay to do so.

What makes adults who exploit positions of power over children unstoppable?

Silence.

If you’re reading this, you know that as Nigerians, the way we think about how the world works, and the conversations we have about sexuality, and sexual abuse, need to change.

Attached picture: Ayo as a student with Aunty Dupe

What I call the naivety, ignorance, over-trustfulness, lack of suspicion(s) and sheeple spirit

Anas09:
Since you want to start behaving like a child instead of an adult that I know, I'd stop responding to you.
Goodbye.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/9780816_doin_jpeg1e0fa40a1247ae2f0a016f33152267f7

You don’t have to resort to this shameful behaviour, simply to hold your own ground. If you do, that shows how weak and shaky your position is. Jesus wept

"The greatest good you can do for another is not just share your riches, but to reveal to him his own"
- Benjamin Disraeli

Anas09:
You are wrong I read. In fact reading is one of my strong points. But, I didn't your post on purpose. If I didn't read how did I know you didn't make sense?

They see clearly but don't perceive. They read clearly but don't understand.

Anas09:
You rigmarole a lot when trying to make a point. Go straight to the point.

And, l know what wisdom means and how Solomon began but slipped out later, but what I asked is, how wisdom fits into the Op.

You mean these men Yesufu mentioned didn't use wisdom in their lives like Solomon?

This is your problem, inability to get understanding. Let me tell you about wisdom. Wisdom, means, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God.

Now if King Solomon, who inarguably, is the wisest man who ever lived, messed up by relegating wisdom to the last, who are these men who come after King Solomon that Yesufu aka VBCampaign mentioned, hmm?. There is no comparison because it wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing. Whether you are a Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, or Enoch Adeboye wisdom is supreme, making right decisions, taking them at the right time and doing them whilst remaining in good standing with God, is the principal thing.

Dantedasz:
I have warned you severely. If you cannot debate without insults please ignore my posts. Nobody on this forum has monopoly of insults.

"My COZA friend admitted they know their pastor did it (i.e. Ese Walter's) But ever since then, their mummy GO has beefed up sexual security around her husband, and personally screens all the women that work close to her husband. So all is well now."
- The Man (@Mrjemba) May 30, 2019 on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/Mrjemba/status/1134126703272443904

Who is debating you? I am telling to you to be quiet and stop misjiving. What is the insulting in telling you to be quiet and quit making up lies, erh? If Modele Fatoyinbo was grooming for her husband, why then has she beefed up sexual security around her husband, as The Man (@Mrjemba) on twitter, has proffered, hmm Dantedasz?

Dantedasz:
Here is a video of a lady abused by Fatoyinbo recently with the aid of Modele who brought in the lady under the guise of baby sitting the kids in Dubai.

h t t p s://youtu.be/19a70U8Ykp8

Did Modele Fatoyinbo, hold down the lady's legs, when Fatoyinbo was about mounting this lady, erhn?

Dantedasz:
This is an hour plus video. I can understand people being ignorant of its contents considering the harsh economic situation in the country

"They are both victims, he, because of being a sexual predator and for his greediness, as in, a married man that is being covetous and her, because of her naivety, ignorance, over-trustfulness, lack of suspicion(s) and sheeple spirit"
- Re: Ese Walter's Unclad By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 12:06pm On Jun 16

"She grabbed him by his clothes and said,
"Come to bed with me!" But he ran outside and left his clothes in her hand."
- Genesis 39:12

Dantedasz, unlike you, any Bible well read Christian/believer, would already know Genesis 39:12 above and about how Joseph fled and got out of the house.

It is easier blaming it on grooming and not taking responsibility for the naivety, ignorance, over-trustfulness, lack of suspicion(s) and sheeple spirit going on.

Dantedasz:
This is my last response to you on this issue.

You know, I'll come down on you like a ton of bricks for behaving like a sewer rat, and you wouldnt know what hit you, that is why you say, this is my last response to you on this issue. The heat will be too much for you to handle and/or take

Anas09:
What have you now said?

I know you hardly read at all, you arent used to reading, so I will spell it out just for you, I mean just for your benefit

At the beginning of King Solomon's life, the Bible deliberately let us know, that wisdom was paramount in his life. It was just as Proverbs 4:7 says wisdom is supreme, and so it was that wisdom, was more important than anything else at the beginning of King Solomon's life, but come eight chapters later after 2 Chronicles 1:12 and at the end of King Solomon's life, we are made to realise that the once wisdom, that was leading, being first and foremost in King Solomon's life, has by then, got relegated to and put to a lower or less important place of insignificance.

Dantedasz:
So when Modele Fatoyinbo grooms girls in the church and hands them over to her husband Biodun to sexual abuse and rape while mouthing indignities about uncommon levels of grace,what are the duo doing except masturbating and urinating on your holy bible and defecating on its injunctions?
Christian's should keep hiding your heads in the sand if it makes you guys feel better than the other religions but the truth will be told.

"Wee yu kip kwayet there". Who told you she grooms girls for her sexual predator husband, hmm? Nonsense and ingredients. Mtcheew.

From what I gathered, she after the Ese Walter (now Ese Ark) put in place measures to prevent female closeness to her husband, knowing fully well, he has a weakness, which is greediness, as in, a married man that is covetous

Anas09:
Go further and let's discuss 'It has been given to me' and how he got it.

Can a thief really claim ownership of what he stole?

1/ Did Satan hold Adam and Eve up at gun point before they handed him everything, hmm?
2/ Did the serpent put a gun to their heads and threatened them before they handed everything over, erhn?
3/ Did Jesus refute or deny that Satan has ownership of what Satan put claim to, hmm?
4/ How Satan got it, isnt debatable, the question is, does satan have it to give to whom satan wants
5/ Thief is not used as a metaphor for Satan in the Bible, so what scripture are you really basing Satan on, claiming the ownership is what Satan stole, hmm?

VBCampaign:
These Pastors Did Not Begin Well
By: Deji Yesufu

In the light of the latest Biodun Fatoyinbo saga, I was in a discussion with a sister and it veered off to the reasons why pastors are falling into grave scandals of sexual immorality and financial impropriety. She was of the opinion that many of these pastors started out well in ministry but due to increased wealth, popularity and the allure of the world, they have gone off their calling and are today doing something God never called them to do. I disagreed with her. I felt many of these pastors never started well. Many of them are not Christians. I would be spending the rest of the essay to show why and I hope to make a strong case for this point.

The nature of the Christian life a person possesses is premised ultimately on the message that that Christian believes. A careful study of the New Testament shows that the Apostles of Jesus Christ were concerned with two major things in ministry: they sought to propagate the gospel of Christ and they ensured that the true gospel was preserved from distortion (Matthew 28:19; Acts 20:30). In fact propagating the gospel, bringing the message of redemption to a sinful world, appeared to be a lot less challenging for them than preserving the gospel from distortion by false teachers from within the church. And a careful study of church history reveals that the Christian Church was troubled a lot more by false teaching within its ranks than persecutions from outside.

The reason why the preserving of the gospel message is important is because the message you believe would form the Christian you would be. If you believed the true gospel, you would be a true Christian. If you believed a false gospel, you would be a false Christian. Today the overarching message that many call a Christian gospel is one that teaches that God exists for the well-being of human beings; it knows nothing of the sovereignty of God. It teaches that Jesus Christ died to make man healthy and wealthy; it has distorted the doctrine of salvation from sin alone. It teaches that the sole duty of the Holy Spirit is to wrought supernatural miracles in the life of Christians, so that we may live as super-men in this world; it does not know anything about the Spirit that sanctifies.

When the Protesters invaded Biodun Fatoyinbo’s church in Abuja last Sunday, some newsmen were on ground to hear the opinions of his church members. All of those interviewed said that Biodun Fatoyinbo is a true man of God because ever since they started to come to his church their lives had gotten better. Some said they had no jobs and now they have jobs. Some claimed they were living irresponsibly on the streets but now they are men and women raising families in a responsible manner. No one talked about how they had been delivered from a life of sin and have come into a life of holiness. No one talked about separation from the world and devotion to God. Religion for these folks, as it is for millions of other professing people all around the world, is a means to get from God. The great Christian is not the holy Christian but the rich and powerful Christian. What a shame.

Biodun Fatoyinbo, Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Enoch Adeboye and thousands of other so called ministers of the gospel do not have a beginning in Christ because the gospel they claim to preach is not the Christian message. A health and wealth gospel cannot convert sinners. It means that these men and many of their followers are still in their sins and heading to an eternity without God and without Christ. Some of them may pretend and claim to be sanctimonious but the likes of Fatoyinbo cannot pretend any longer. Their hidden sins are coming out and are being exposed daily for all to see. It is indeed the mercies of God to Biodun Fatoyinbo that his sins are revealed now and he can repent and believe in Jesus Christ, and thus be saved. Those who are genuinely to be pitied are those have succeeded in covering up their sins in this world, only to have them unveiled in the presence of Christ in the life to come.

The Christian message is this: that Christ died and rose again to offer up redemption for the sins of the world. Thus God calls all men to believe the gospel: to believe that Christ alone can offer refuge to men from the coming wrath of God upon sinners. The gospel tells us that in Christ we can exchange our sins for the righteousness of God. We can know justification from all things.

The gospel teaches the concept of two Adams. The first Adam was the first created man. He is our first parent. Adam sinned and lost paradise. He was banished from the presence of God. The awful reality of having Adam as our parent is that Adam bequeaths sin to every man that is born of a woman. We inherit his sin. Because we born of the flesh, we have Adam’s sin imputed on us. Theologians refer to this as original sin. Every person born into this life is a sinner in need of redemption.

The second Adam is Jesus Christ. Christ was not born of Adam; he was born of the Holy Spirit. He was born of God. For this reason, Jesus Christ does not possess Adam’s sin. When we are therefore born-again, we are born of the Spirit. We are born of God. We are born of Christ. We take up Christ original righteousness – in the same way we took up Adam’s original sins. Christ’s original righteousness therefore stands as our justification before a holy God. Christ becomes our substitute. Our righteousness. Our redemption. Halleluyah!

This is the Christian gospel and it must go beyond mere words and become a reality in our hearts. This is the message that Biodun Fatoyinbo and other ministers like him in Pentecostal assemblies do not preach. They do not preach it because they do not have these realities in their hearts – a man cannot give what he does not have. They have no foundation in the true gospel. Their foundation is in a false gospel and of a necessity a false gospel would yield a hypocritical Christian life that would only lead to the type of scandals that we hear of today.

This is the reason I am convinced that these pastors never began a Christian walk with Jesus Christ at all. They have all along believed a false gospel. And it would be important, in the light of scandals like these, that those who look up to them examine their own hearts and faith and be sure of what they have believed. A false gospel cannot yield a Christian life. A false gospel would yield essentially what we are seeing today – scandals.


Deji Yesufu is the author of the book Victor Banjo and Half a Millennium. He can be reached ...

"Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like."
- 2 Chronicles 1:12

"And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom."
- 2 Chronicles 9:22

"Wisdom is of utmost importance, therefore get wisdom, and with all your effort work to acquire understanding."
- Proverbs 4:7

Who are these guys mentioned the original post compared with King Solomon, hmm?

King Solomon, inarguably the man with the most sense and common sense and sense wiseness, that ever lived, who started well in 2 Chronicles 1:12, but on getting towards the end of his life, finished badly erhn, when wisdom that was first and in the forefront, as in, a most important first position in his life, got being relegated to the last, by the time we reached reading 2 Chronicles 9:22, hmm?

PoliteActivist:
Bottom line, money and power tend to corrupt.
Didn't have to read the whole thing to know OP is wrong while lady is right

Nobaga, with any iota of sense wiseness, relegates wisdom to the last. Do it at your peril.

It wasnt money, power, riches and wealth that corrupted King Solomon, it was the lack of appreciating sense wiseness and not anymore embracing wisdom, as the most important thing.

Anas09:
Left for some of you, you wld hand over the entire world to satan and Call Jehovah a Freemason.

It hasn't occurred to you so called Christians that satan owns nothing on earth? nothing. How you people attribute everything to him is surprising.

You see satan in everything but see God in nothing. You spend so much time talking and pointing people to satan more than you do to God. What hell?

You people create so much awareness and consciousness of satan far more than you even talk about God. Maybe you guys don't know it yet, what you do is proclaiming the gospel of satan. Get that for it is the truth. What people hear often, sticks in their minds and they believe.

Someone is delivering a speech and gestures with his or her hand, he/she is a Freemason.

Pls tell people to Stop using their hands when they talk.

Can we just hand over the world to satan already?

"The devil said (i.e. to Jesus Himself, face to face that is)
I will give all this power and glory to you. It has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to"
- Luke 4:6

OpenYourEyes1:
Notice the Freemasonry black and white Checkerboard... Author probably letting fellow masons know that this is the work of a member?

Eagle eyes. Your head dey there, you be correct guy
Somebori please give this my guy, an "oti sewọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts.

Anas09:
All these things wey you dey type, I no dey read o.

Really? Try keeping up with the truth by reading them nau. It is a man's or woman's duty to read. You dont have to bury your head in the sand by not reading for as much as you like. Besides, statistics tells that, there's a 16% chance someone will actually read what I type, you are the 84%. You are not reading Anas09, because you dont want to face the truth. Why not give it a try and read it like a literature, as if reading for entertainment perhaps, hmm? Might open your eyes to something. Any well read Christian/believer, already knows most of what I type anyways.

Greatest secrets are always in the seemingly unlikely places, like the posts you've egotistically refused to read

Anas09:
How can you be the Devil's Advocate abeg?

How can you be insensitive to minority fellow human beings people who are getting maimed, getting injured, getting hunted down and killed just because of their same sex attraction sexuality

Do not bad-mouth an anointed of God, a moG. Do him no harm with your misguided utterances

Anas09:
No dey mention my Moniker for hia abeg.

If you enter, by your own volition, a battlefield, you will be shot at. The Anas09 moniker will be mentioned dearie, because na so-so trouble dey sleep, before yanga go stir trouble am up, wake am.

Somebody after a hiatus, will just wake up one day, like to do pass themselves, will see trouble sleep, but then hin and "yanga" will just decide they want to wake up trouble, pull it by the leg. Wetin hin dey find? Na palaver, hin dey find, na palaver, hin go get-e o. You forfeit the right to the moniker Anas09 not being mentioned on this thread, the moment you decided to, without invite, start to comment on this thread

Anas09:
It is violating my sensibility to even talk about men having sex with other men. Oh pls.

You are not woke Anas09. You are desensitized and feel no empathy for the affliction of strictly monogamous same sex attraction people, who are not into any form of homosexuality that has do with or has anything to do with idolatry, the state of being promiscuous or ritual sex worship act(s)

Sense, means the ability to act with restraint, judgement and reasoning. It is any of the manners by which we as human beings perceive the physical world, as in through sight, smell, hearing, touch, taste. Sensibility means to give way to feeling and emotion. It is the ability to sense, feel or perceive and especially to be sensitive to the feelings of another person, e.g. a person like a homosexual, singled out, to bear, take or suffer the brunt of discrimination, prejudice, injury, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera.

Anas09, are your sense and sensibility alive to every affliction of a same sex attraction person who deserves a safe and supportive environment to live in peace and harmony within the community but has been made out, to become unloved, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera. Even to date, same sex attraction people, as we speak, are still being discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shamed, abandoned, imprisoned, rejected and fear for their lives.

Anas09, can you please tell how two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, as in a woman and woman or a man and man, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime, life-long and loyal same-sex strictly monogamous relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object , not harmful to a child, not harmful to an animal, is affecting you? Except you of course, have a disorder called homophobia, hmm?

Hate talks and crimes against same sex attraction people, do not happen often maybe in more developed countries but in the Middle East region, Africa and parts of Asia, its a very huge problem and a considerable concern. Same sex attraction people may not be killed for being that, in Europe or the US but they still have to contend and deal with toxic hate. Unfortunately people like you Anas09, use false religion and use the Bible incorrectly, as the basis for your reasoning but in reality its a ruse, because you use that, as a mask and/or an excuse, to hide your own insecurity, ignorance and prejudice.

It is only a wicked person, someone with no empathy, no compassion that would do nothing, say nothing, bury head in sand, drop like its a hot potato, when minority people are getting maimed, getting injured, getting hunted down and killed just because of their same sex attraction sexuality

MrBrownJay1:
foolish man, as if the problem here is women OR being around women....
then when gay allegations will surface, will he get a dog as secretary, abi?

ThothHermes:
Stop insulting your father's mate, especially one who is of Adeboye's calibre. There could be unseen consequences.

Like how Bishop Eddie Long RIP comes to mind

Anas09:
Broda, I don read every tin you post hia, and I don also read weytin odas post. Notin wey I go say wey dem never say. And efri tin wey you tok hia, you don tok am b4, so, no need to cari dey tok go front. Livam for hia.

Nobi you put mouth enter wetin no "cosign" you, erhn. Abi dem gif you invite for dis thread bifor, hmm? Biko, who ask make una come gatecrash the thread, erhn?

Anas09, some people, if they are spiritually mature, are ready to talk on any subject matter, even the deep-seated fears inclusive and ready to promptly answer hard questions thrown at them, but those who aren't spiritually mature, are not ready for any of them two. Arent ready to expose themselves to their deepest fear(s), and so fear gets a grip of them. Fear has power over them. They are prisoners of fear.

Anas09, curiosity has its own reason for existing. Thinking begins when you are ready and prepared to participate in a talk and dont mind asked really difficult questions. Never be afraid of having the one to one talks. Dont be afraid of the hard questions you might be asked.
Find the courage to participate in the one to one talks, dont fear to answer the questions you're afraid to hear the answer of. Why Anas09? It is because its the only way you'll know which direction your truth lays

Of course you don't want to and prefer to "livam for hia" sic, because it'll expose what's wrong with you, whats wrong in your attitude and whats wrong in your belief system

Anas09, you know as well as I do, that you can take a horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink. Most people fall victim to bad and wrong dogma. You can only expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there. "To raise pènis, nobi by force nau"

Anas09:
It says Sex Pattern, not sex Part.

That was a mistype or uncompleted typing. Obviously, I intended typing that, not all forms of homosexuality is a sex pattern of the beast, whatever "sex pattern of the beast" means, nor does are all forms of homosexuality to do with or has anything to do with idolatry, the state of being promiscuous or ritual sex worship act(s)

Anas09:
Again. I say it. Homosexuality is a sex pattern for the Kingdom of Satan.
If Man having sex with a man can not produce an offspring to continue the human race, then know that an opposer is involved.

"If I am meant by God to be here, whether my father happened to be or didnt happen to be a staunch homosexual, I'll be here and be here discussing with everyone.

Case in point, some happily fit in "go into the world and multiply and fill the earth..." with children via surrogacy, cases in point, Elton John, Enrique "Ricky" Martín Morales aka Ricky Martin, etcetera whilst other some, already earlier or along the way, have had kids, just like Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, google her up, then there's also someone like, Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z's mum (i.e. staunch lesbian)

"Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation"?, you earlier asked me,
at which I replied: "Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination"."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 3:11am On Jun 17

Like one poster here asked me and as you can see from the above inverted commas, I replied back that homosexuals produce offsprings to continue the human race

Anas09:
Let one poster here said, everything God does, satan opposes.

Tell me, what is that you both, as in, you and Daddy are doing, when you use contraceptives, you on your pills and Daddy strapping on his condoms when about to make the earth move? I shudder to think what you'll interpret that to be

Anas09:
God says Man and women, satan says man and man.
How can a Christian even conceive to preach homosexuality?

God says man and woman, if man and man, so be it, but satan, says man and women, man and men

Anas09:
W.T.H went wrong? Oh my God!!!!!

After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says wtf, but today is Saturday and I am asking, why do human beings see some things as true, no matter what, but remain totally blind to other truths that are actual, erhn?

Anas09, Phariseeism did not disappear after the first century. Wise people, unlike most interlocutors on this thread, dont Pharisaical judge, they get wisdom, and with all their getting, get understanding. Anas09, as you grow each day and each day become older, you will find yourself right on some things, and wrong on others. But in the process, don't be arrogant not to surrender to the truth and embrace the truth where or when you find you were wrong

^^^^^
What is this one kwantinu saying erhn? "Wee yu kip kwayet there". You think I'll bastardise the moniker ID, just because as if you have the moniker Shepherd00 "copyrighted", hmm? I had to make a point with the inverted commas about dropping hot potatoes, if it happens, the moniker was in the quotes, so be it and my profound apologies. It couldnt be helped, otherwise "komabitmeup atmaus" because it gives you "sifia" pains

OkCornel:
[/size]Bla bla bla...

Romans 1 v 26-28 clearly condemns all forms of homosexuality as it clearly shows the NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN IS ABANDONED AND MEN ARE WORKING WITH MEN TO DO THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY.

Damn too straightforward to spin around it.

Everyone on this thread is still awaiting the source(s) to your dubious interpretation of Arsenokytes.


Besides, since according to you, God has nothing against monogamous homosexuality, why isn't there one example of such kind of marriage in the scriptures?

Keep on dropping flawed "evidences" without a standard Greek dictionary or even concordance to back up your points.

Oya beat around the bush again.

Mind you own business and stop poke nosing into posts meant for another poster and just face the one you are expected to have a first go at please

Anas09:
Hmmm. Bros. How do one gossip in an open thread where what is typed can be seen and read by all?

You gossip my hiding behind using Muttl.eyLaff, so I don't get notification that I've being talked behind my back

Anas09:
How ever you see it sir, it won't change anything. And I'm glad you know me as a well read book that I'd rather a knife be laid on my neck than for me to stand for anything that hints AntiChrist.

Homosexuality is the sex pattern of the Beast System

Not all forms of homosexuality is a sex part of the beast, whatever that means, nor is it or has it anything to do with idolatry, promiscuity or ritual worship act.

OkCornel:
You've been dodging my questions, and now you're here gloating in vain.

1) Bring your source(s) to the interpretation of Arsenokytes. Or are you ashamed you got them from the websites of various gay apologists,?

2) Bring one example of consensual monogamous homosexual marriage from the scriptures to support this heresy and jargons you've been typing all this while.

3) Tell us why the Talmud mentioned marriage certificates were not granted to homosexuals...

4) Romans 1 v 26-28 also shows that homosexuality of any form is guilty of abandoning the natural use of a woman.

[img]https://s3/images/GoFirst.jpg[/img]

"You don't need to split anyones comments. I gave you right of way, I gave you first turn, to go ahead and present lay down your understandings of the "stuff", as you put it, you wanted to discuss with me, yet there's no sight of them. You gave an excuse about erratic network you're having, but no more updates as for why you arent uploading anything, yet you're regularly churching out comments

Now, dont ever again, say to me that, I am wailing, or I've wailed. OK? All I am just saying, is watch your mouth or tongue. Thank you. As I've previously said, have a first go. I am online 24/7. I am not experiencing issues on my PC nor smartphone. I still have posting privileges, meaning I am not like openmine, who got banned by the automated Anti-Spam moderation bot.

Please finish first, what you earlier started before involving me in another of this your thank less adventure.

These are two very simple questions with obvious answers that an average person knows, now if you still desperately need me to respond to them, please trust me that, I will, after you have attended to presenting the stuff you said you wanted me to go through with you. Bookmark this page, so we can come back to it after finishing the original one. OK?"
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 6:48am On Jun 28

You guys, especially you OkCornel, dont know who you are confronting here on this thread. I showed proof of dropping like its hot evidences going about on the thread but if you thought I was gloating, then you have another thing coming

I am 110% quite sure you have no more recollection of the above inverted commas & screenshot

Anas09:
No small tin o. Everybody don just commot leave this place empty.

And about Homosexuality, my blood run cold for weytin my eyes dey read there.

Do you know that those who will usher in the reign of the AntiChrist will be those we termed brethren?
You didn't do.much to term that tide, why nah? Just few guys did all the tackling.

Once again, I see why the Lord said, put not your trust in man, for the arm of flesh will fail you.

If sombori bin tell me say Muttl.eyLaff go preach homosexuality as strong as he is doing now, I for spit for him face, true. Choi

Anas09:
because, I only just got access into NL today.

... and you started your comeback with gossip and backbiting a moG, erhn?

Anas09:
Dropping the thread like it's hot.

"Most interlocutors, so far, commenting on this thread have never disappointed me. They have been very at playing the mediocrity card, which is ignoring the big elephants in the room, I introduced them to on the thread, but then ignored the elephants, pretended they are not there and then be discussing the ants or playing the hot potato game, tossing it about and dancing pangolo even before the music begins and dance starts."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:09am On Jul 02

"Don't mind if I am blind or not, if Lot knew it was an abomination men sexing men, then please OkCornel, what was the reason he gave for denying and refusing the men of Sodom and Gomorrah have sex with these two other "men" hmmm?
Dance around the question and the earlier other two for as long as you want. Notice how openmine, has left you, all by yourself, to deal with the question. He has dropped it like it's too hot for him. Scaredy cat. I thought you guys said you had time for me today. I told youse, I'll knock your heads together"
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 2:08pm On Jun 25

"I have stuff, that if I should drop it on these guys, their legs will buckle and they fall flat on their arse from the sheer weight of it. I havent typed anything substantial yet and they already are each and everytime be screaming blue murder. The trio, TV01, Shepherd00 and openmine, just make me all the time, literally be laughing out loud, watching them go schtum or dropping facts I introduce, as if it's like I've asked them to hold on to a hot potato, even diving under the sofa, to hide from the big fat lie elephants in the room I introduce to them."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 4:24pm On Jun 24

"I tell you what, I'll tell you what I love and dont love. I admire this kind of spirit that scrutinizes and most especially when done under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Mediocrity for me partly, is ignoring the big fat lie elephant in the room, pretending its not there and then be discussing the ants or playing the hot potato game, tossing it about, even before the music begins."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 1:52pm On Jun 23

I know and understand you Anas09, like a well read book, that is why I consciously sent you no invite to this thread. The above inverted commas says it all, but I am yet to know the name of this special school yall have attended that teaches to perfection this art of dropping the hot potato and playing the hot potato game

Anas09:
Brother pls. Let it go.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. Fear, is false evidence appearing real. Understanding dissoves fear. To understand your fear, is the beginning of really seeing. To escape fear, you need to go through it and not around it. Whenever you're afraid. It is a sure sign, that you have allowed your mind to miscreate. Anas09, the fear of facing your fears is harder to overcome than the fear itself.

Anas09:
I can't stand it.

Sister you are hollering "nyem space" but you do know that, I sent others invites to this thread, but not to you sister. I passed you over because I know you'd be incurious, now tell me, why did you have to come on the thread nau.

Anas09:
Oh God. My skin crawls even at the thought of it.

Why do you have thoughts about it? Do you also think about men and women doing it together?

Anas09:
Pls stop saying this?

Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it doesnt mean it gone away.

Anas09:
There's no amount intensity you'd mount on this that will make it right.

You cant let fear control you. While at first, some truths can be scary, there really is nothing to fear from truth. Being truthful is essential to being an independent thinker and obtaining greater understanding of what is right.

Anas09:
The scriptures cannot be broken. Any man, whether consensual or not, who have sex with another man has violated the injection, 'Thou shall not lie with a man as with a woman'. There is no condition or exception attached to it.

This verse has nothing whatsoever to do with two consensual adults, solely all their lives, enjoying and living a strictly monogamous faithful, committed, loyal, kind, caring, respectful, devoted and loving SSA romantic relationship and lifestyle, till death do them part, with no harm to anybody or anything, whether fellow human being, children or animals.

Anas09:
I have to hurry out of this thread. Being here alone makes my skin crawl.

Now, I think you've realised why I never sent you an invite for the thread. Courage is knowing what not to make you hurry out of the thread. Fear comes from a lack of understanding. People fear what they dont understand. They judge what and who they dont understand. Fear, is a darkroom, where lots of negatives are developed. Fear, leads to the dark side, then to anger, at which anger leads to hate and ultimately from hate to suffering. FEAR, has two meanings: Forget Everything and Run or Face Everything and Rise. The choice is the individual's my dearest sister

budaatum:
So, the sum of it is that they died a "spiritual death"?

Yes, the sum of it is they got taken advantage of and got played by the serpent, who lied to them that they would not surely die

budaatum:
I'll argue that "spiritual death" is no death at all, with the suggestion that if you drink "spiritual water" for just two days in the current heatwave we're going through you will surely die! But let's stick to the facts shall we.

The fact is death is a dividing line. That line was drawn the instant when the tree was eaten from and the separation from God with boundaries and/or limits set

budaatum:
So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Could you tell us what happened to Adam and Eve after the above without the unnecessary yadayada please?

[img]https://s3/images/yadayada.jpg[/img]

You want to mind your language next time Mister. Who does unnecessary yada yada, hmm? Mtcheew.


"For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
- Genesis 3:5

Now, budaatum, on to your question, obviously, they truly set out to becoming gods, the moment after eating fruit and being driven out of Eden. They became gods, not exactly be like God, the half lie the serpent earlier told them, but be able to make judgement between what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad etcetera. Begin experiencing pain and pleasure, sweet and sour, success and failure, kindness and cruelty, compassion and indifference, love and hatred, wealth and poverty, knowledge and ignorance, frear and boldness, lies and truth, oppression and freedom, slavery and liberty, beautiful and fugly etcetera

Anas09:
Oh Lord my God! , What did I just read in this pages? MuttleyLaff did someone hack your account?
No, this is not the Christian I knew.

God pls pls pls. You stand for homosexuality this fierce?
With all the scriptures you were given here, yet you tired to blur them all. No nau Lord.

Talk to me my dearest sister, tell me please, what do you find threatening with and what is wrong, evil and/bad, in two consensual adult solely all their lives, enjoying and living a strictly monogamous SSA relationship and lifestyle, with no harm to anybody or anything, whether fellow human being, children or animals, hmm?

budaatum:
Did Adam and Eve "surely die", muttley?

Yes, they did surely and instantaneously die the moment after eating budaatum. Do you know why budaatum, it's because God's word was explicit and not polysemous

budaatum:
Is it not true that Adam and Eve did "not certainly die,” and their "eyes opened", and they, "knew good and evil”?

"The payment for sin is death (i.e. separation from God),
but the gift that God freely gives is everlasting life found in Christ Jesus our Lord."
- Romans 6:23

"and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'"
- Genesis 2:17

budaatum, on the contrary, it is true that Adam and Eve did certainly die. Do you know why and how they certainly died budaatum? It is because God made sure that they died, He personally saw to it, that they die. God was commited and dead set on fulfilling the death promise, for eating from the tree, that He single-mindedly enforced the death to "eventuary" happen.

I understand budaatum, you arent appreciating spiritual death being distinct from physical death. Fyi, Adam and Eve certainly and instantaneously died spiritually, as in, were spiritually separated from God, at that point thereon, however physical death came much much more years later

Now buddatum, it is true that Adam and Eve didn't outrightly there and then physically die, the exact moment after they ate from the tree, just as you have thought Genesis 2:17 implied.

budaatum, are you aware that the Hebrew word used in Genesis 2:17 quoted above, is "muwth-muwth" die-die, which is often translated as "surely die or certainly die" or literally as "dying you shall die" which indicates the beginning of dying (i.e. an ingressive sense). At from the point of eating off the tree, Adam and Eve would begin to die and "eventuary" would return to dust.

budaatum, if Adam and Eve were meant to have died, dropped dead at the spot, as in, physically die and return to dust right there and then, the text should have used "muwth" only once, as is used in the Hebrew meaning "dead, died, or die" and not "muwth-muwth" as in "beginning to die"or "surely die." Are we capisce now?