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OkCornel:
Oga Muttleylaff...I'm still here o...

For how long? Next year?

OkCornel:
Please I'd like to know how same sex relationship fits into God's plan for humanity to be fruitful and MULTIPLY...

Please I've told you that infertiles and others of that sort, just like homosexuals/lesbians do, fit into God's plan for humanity, and that you seem to only have this impression, that fruitfulness and multiplication has only to do with procreation. SMH

Now just start answering my question(s) you prevaricated, instead of gallivanting off, looking to find something, not lost, biko please and telling me that you are still here. Thanks in advance.

OkCornel:
You brought up the case of infertility as though every infertile person made a conscious choice to be infertile...

Similar way not all SSA person makes a conscious decision or choice to be gay

OkCornel:
Homosexuality and lesbianism is obviously a conscious choice... How can humanity multiply with such a relationship?

Do you remember making a choice being heterosexual, as in, when you made the choice hmm? That question aside, same sex attraction people have no impact on humanity multiplying, they are not affecting anything, as they adopt and have kids via surrogacy. Even as it is, population control are being pushed and enforced in some quarters of the world like Asia and also because the world population has reached seven billion people, some are thinking of how to manage the world population , so my brother, there is no cause for alarm or panic over human multiplication. With or without homosexuality and lesbianism, human multiplication increases, but then they might be serving as a restraint on an "humanity multiply" extravagance, as in, let's put it this way, keeping the human population, in check and from, as it were, overpopulation.

OkCornel:
Are there cases of same sex relationship that led to procreation?

Yes, there are, case in point Elton John and partner, and using methods like in vitro fertilization, gestational surrogacy or medically assisted insemination.

OkCornel:
Someone on this thread tried to argue that the anus was also created for sexual purpose...

Even science is against such a lame argument...

If the someone has no moniker name or ID, then YOYO.
#sipsTea, not strong coffee, like Shepherd00 does

OkCornel:
You still want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 as though those words are not self explanatory?

Alright then, perhaps bringing a lot of concordances and references will do more than enough justice to this...

Stay tuned...

I dont want to know who Paul was speaking against in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 but what in fact, I did ask you, was about the original and true meanings of the words changed in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 from what Paul wrote and he meant.

OkCornel, the words I am talking of are: "porneia" and "arsenokoites", both in 1 Timothy 1:10 and then, say another one, like, "malakoi/malakos", that is in 1 Corinthians 6:9, along with "porneia" and "arsenokoites", the two that were earlier seen to be in 1 Timothy 1:10
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Mind you OkCornel, remember the title of this thread and the first word beginning it (i.e. deconstructing). Good luck with your searching.

TV01:
[s]……. - kkins25, the atheist, homsexualist, blasphemer, that is MuttleyLaffs alter-ego. Or, MuttleyLaff by another name [/s]

MuttleyLaff...kissing his own arse...rightly you are called ButtleyStraff

TV

TV01, too doing "alawada kerikeri", a man of many talents
#BellyLaughter + #OneManMopol +#JealousyBecauseIamBlessed

kkins25:
ogbenii, is Wikipedia an artificial intelligence? The words inscribes on it pages, aren't they written by humans? The article on Wikipedia is a summary of several other primary sources. But please let me burden you to tell me why Christian denominations are beginning to accept Homosexuality? The people who package that thing you call word of God are accepting homosexuals as commanded by God himself. See below

1st peter 2:17 Honor men of all sorts, have love for the whole association of brothers, be in fear of God, honor the king..

"Ye mo gbe!" that 1 Peter 2:17 scripture referral. Ouch. What a body slam.

There are enough, actually more than enough, scriptures like 1 Peter 2:17 above, where we see the Bible speak positively, albeit codedly of same sex attraction committed and faithful relationships.

kkins25:
Facepalm. An eunuch is someone who has no sense of attraction to- or affection to/for the opposite sex which in these case is the female. * eunuch were mostly men who had lost their reproductive organs or capability. But the scripture- matt 19:21 as muttleylaff has superbly explained even though it fell on deaf ears informs us that some people may be born whose nature from birth defiles the normal way of life so to speak. i.e. They would naturally show no sexual desires for the opposite sex. Now, ask yourself whats the difference between an natural eunuch and a man who since he was born doesnt feel any attraction to females?
Do note that the definition i give is based on the description of the term in the afore mentioned bible verse.

Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you kkins25. More anointing and grace shall be your portion

kkins25:
no one is cheerleading anyone here. How does this comment help your argument?

Good and befitting response

kkins25:
if we go by your logic, christianity has failed that test a long time ago. When it invaded arabia, when it slaughtered women and children whom did not bow to the cross. What about today? Look at the evil perpetrated by prophets and pastors and their members alike. Your version of Christianity like other religions is a sham. Well, muttley's version is the evolved version im sure christ would be proud of.

"From the lips of babes and infants you have established strength, because of your adversaries, that you might silence the enemy and the avenger."
- Psalm 8:2

"and said to him, "Do you hear what these are saying?"
Jesus said to them, "Yes. Did you never read, 'Out of the mouth of babes and nursing babies you have perfected praise?"
- Matthew 21:16

Psalm 8:2 and Matthew 21:16 above are so prophetic, kkins25, you are a definition of class.

I, tbh, never expected you, out of all, to have a cute "your head dey there" side about you, but I loved it. I loved it when I read, that you saw through the cobweb of lies. I love this character of you, thanks, thank you very much for showing it. I’m so proud of you, knowing so well how much some people on here, will try to run you down after this and bite your head off, particularly for sticking it out from under the parapet. Brace yourself for more onslaughts from them and dont expect anything less coming from those quarters, knowing fully well, they don’t want it, when people, like you and us, tell it, like it is.

They think they are doing the work of Paul, without knowing that inadvertently they are being Saul and not Paul at all

I can't wait to see more of you in your coming posts on this thread concerning this burning issue, but I rather want to see you correctly arse-whooping and properly kicking arse(s). You see, I am sorry but the title of the thread isn't confusing nau. It is a great thread that is going to, bit by bit, one by one, drag out the lies one after the other concerning this fraud. So for anyone, if you've just joined the thread, you are new, have a "read with an open mind" attitude, then sit back to enjoy, as awesome more supporting evidence of lies revealed with facts unfolds.

If this is your first time on the thread, greetings then! I would like to personally welcome you for being here. Please feel free to review some of our previous comments posted and express your thoughts, understandings, insights, epiphanies and other "aha moment" you've discovered.

kkins25:
There fore get the behind me you Shepherd00, you satan.

Hmm.

kkins25:
Let it first be known that even jehova witness' have said to love homosexuals. Even though the witnesses agree that the bible condems the act. (no scriptural backup though). So i ask you Tv01 and Shepherd00, how can you love your neighbor whom is a homosexual and hate homosexuality??

They cant produce it when no scriptural backup exists naah. Please help me ask them because none of them have bothered to tell me when I ask,
1/ What is the evil in homosexuality, that it so much needs to be hated by them?
2/ What specifically, what particularly is wrong, evil and/or bad in the homosexual act

None, to date, have held out or put forward anwers. OkCornel has scooted off, he is still at sea, searching for something he said, trying to find what's not lost, tsk. Shepherd00 nkọ, he is scratching head, confused somewhere, as a baby raccoon and confused.com. This other poster, who will make a very good career from being a little court jester is busy thinking up what his next line of deliberate irreverence(s) will be. By the way, all I can think of whenever I read his comments are "creeper". No offense please, to anyone, who likes him, but I just find him to be an ornery person, though I do realise that its false religion and his fundamentalism that's what had made him be so ornery.

kkins25:
I do not subscribe to the laws of the bible. Confucius developed morality without any ten commandments or tablet.

Confucius is a Chinese philosopher nah, and kkins25, I do vividly recall telling you on Page 2 of this thread that, God, of course, in the Bible, can be seen to be the greatest Philosopher of all.

Remember kkins25, when you said "science and philosophy is the new authority", I asked you to watch this, that science, as we know it says, we need four basic elements to survive, which are Water, Air, Food and Light, but you should look at God. Look at what Jesus did and/or said about Himself.

1/ He did and/or said: I am the living water (i.e. John 4:10, John 4:14, John 7:37, Revelation 21:6) (check Water) => ✓
2/ He did and/or said about being: breath of life (i.e. John 20:22) (check Air) => ✓
3/ He did and/or said: I am the bread of life (i.e. John 6:33, JohnSo 6:35, John 6:48 and John 6:51) (check Food) => ✓
4/ He did and/or said: and I am the light of the world (i.e. John 8:12, John 9:5, and John 12:46) (check Light) => ✓

The bible is alive, living and active my brother. The bible is not dead, it is full of life and makes me everyday come alive. What a very good feeling. kkins, there is no better book than the Bible, which is God's begineers instructional book for living on earth and there is no better Teacher and Interpreter than the Holy Spirit. Where there is the Spirit of Truth working, showing you things and teaching, it then has nothing to do with "no scripture is of private interpretation" as some will pathetically try to knock you on the head with.

kkins25:
Fedrick nietchze, thomas paine, leibenz all struck a dagger in the heart of God.
The entity which claimed to be God in the bible died a long time ago. His son was murdered on the cross and the holy spirit disappeared into nothingness.
If the so called laws of God in the old testament are laws of God, why were they abandoned in the new testament?.

All these are slants, distorted ones for that matter and are not for this thread but another thread, besides all the Law and the Prophets, hang on two commandments, defined by Jesus as the "Law of Love". You are excused and forgiven, as being an atheist, if you dont know this

kkins25:
I did not say the bible does not condemn homosexuality, i hinted that the debate would not end as the bible which is always subject to interpretation bias supports and condemn the act of homosexuality.

The bible does not condemn homosexuality per se.

When uninformed people read their English version bible(s), I mean read it, especially without knowing certain or specific things beforehand, like about truth(s) trade and exchanged in for lies, they then for some reason, think that, what they read is how the Bible has always and originally said it. They read verses that the church is and has been using to condemn homosexuality when the Bible really hasnt condemned and doesn't condemn homosexuality at all in any of those seven clobber verses

The Bible never says/said committed, faithful, loving thats till death do part consensual adult same sex intimate behaviour is abominable. Anyone that tells you this, is borrowing a lie from the pit of hell.

kkins25:
I, kkins25 also stated that muttleylaff was right when he said that, homosexuality wasn't the reason Sodom and gomorrah was destroyed. Wether you agree or not biblical scholars and even the jews(Gods chosen people) all agree with muttleylaff.

They'll rather erase the thought from their mind, of ever reading me stating that. Did you see and read pitiful Shepherd00 reaction and remark to it
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OkCornel:
I'll be back later...cos I'm still looking for how God can now make it possible for homosexuals and lesbians to procreate and multiply....

I've told you that infertiles and others of that sort, just like homosexuals/lesbians do, fit into God's plan for humanity, and that you seem to only have this impression, that fruitfulness and multiplication has only to do with procreation. SMH

Now just answer my question(s) you prevaricated, instead of gallivanting off, looking to find something, not lost, biko please. Thanks in advance.

Shepherd00:
I went back to reading this thread all over again, I discovered that MuttleyLaff blindsided my posts like no tomorrow.

The ones he touches he dribbles over them then turn them to questions to me. He is doing the same to Okcornel

The guy is smart in a very negative way.

When and which one?

You are talking of that OkCornel amateurish question right?

Shepherd00:
He knows no reasonable person will stand to justify homosex using the Bible.

The Pope in private does. Archbishop Desmond Tutu et al are reasonable enough not to be a homophobic, that you and the others are.

OkCornel:
If you say homosexuality and lesbianism is God's plan... how can such a relationship be fruitful and multiply?

Lemme rephrase the question... how does homosexuality and lesbianism fit into God's plan for humanity to be fruitful and multiply?

Let's start with this...

This is an amateurish question to ask, but I'll still answer you though.

Simples, the same way, infertiles and others of that sort fit into God's plan for humanity, only that you have this impression, that fruitfulness and multiplication has only to do with procreation. SMH

Now answer mine please. Thanks in advance.

Shepherd00:
Bros, ignore MuttleyLaff. He has been looking for support from the beginning of this thread, he can't help grabbing kkins25 even when he knows the guy is an atheist.

He is clapping for an atheist even when knows the guy is summersaulting Scriptures. At leat he has one person cheering him up. lolzzzzzzzzzz.

Even if you won't admit it, you have learned a thing or two from that post, that you never knew before or understand before.

I am a one man Mopol. I stand for exposing the lies, not looking for support

Shepherd00:
This hysteria is for what nah? You can't take it that we now know that you are a wolf binding under the cloak of Christianity?

You are exposed. No Christian will open his anus for another man to fuq.

Your obsession with anus is legendary. I was wondering when soon will you start introducing the mentioning of anus to the thread. You haven't disappointed me. Oshey!

Shepherd00:
Like I said, Have it your own way.

You know what. You're not only a time waster but you're an unashamedly time stealer and a time killer. Abeggy carry your bad energy and negativity far far far away from me please. Keep your distance. Thank you very much.

Shepherd00:
Good for you.

Ee dey pain am. Peele, ndo.

Shepherd00:
Have you forgotten that kkins25 is an atheist hence the word of God is useless to him? lol

You don't get it, do you. It has nothing to do with being atheist or not being atheist. It is about sticking your head out for the sake of facts, truth and what is right.

It's attitudes and ignorances, the sort you harbour that pushes some atheism

OkCornel:
Muttleylaff...did it occur to you I first asked the question on whom Paul was referring to in 1 Timothy 1 v 8-11 with regards to men who defile themselves with men?

If it's not homosexuality...then what else is Paul speaking against?

and I agreed with you about it being the money questions and asked you about the original and true meanings of the words changed in Timothy and Corinthians from what Paul wrote and meant.

You are either a JJC to this thread or like Shepherd00 haven't bothered to read what I've said here about your question

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# Ignore Mode ON

OkCornel:
The verse you quoted mentioned "males who like with males"...

Isn't it disapproving homosexuality?

Was homosexuality God's plan for humanity?

Why are you prevaricating, what and why is it so difficult to answer my question first before you start going off on your tangent, hmm?

Again, yes, OkCornel, the money question is, who originally, before words in the Bible got changed from their actual and/or meanings, was/were Paul referring to in 1 Timothy 1:10, hmm?

Now please answer that first. Thank you.

No, homosexuality isnt per se disapproving.
Homosexuality in God's wisdom and omniscience is God's plan for humanity.

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Shepherd00 is going to go sulking over the above kkins25 comment, as he isn't going to like or enjoy reading it. Watch him and some haters, cast aspersions on that kkins25 comment.

Everything thing, I write, can be fact checked, if only the will is there and if you don't hate reading long posts too, like some have openly admitted.

When you serve people with food in groundnut pods, those that will eat and have their fill, like kkins25 did, will be there, but people like.... hmmm.

kkins25, don't stop here, but please research on what really Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 is all about and why the reason, that act is an abomination. If ambitious, then, delve into similar verses Paul wrote, like 1 Timothy 1:10, 1 corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1:26-27, to find the true and original meanings of the words used in them, that have since, being changed and have false misleading meanings.

You have restored my faith in humans. It is because of the one person like you, the minority, that I write and do what I do. There is hope. Thank you my dear kind hearted sire.

Welcome aboard, make your at home, there is plenty of room here, please find yourself a space. You will find that the view is worth you climbing on, there is a lot more to good views to see, from this altitude and/or height we stand at.

OkCornel:
1 Timothy 1 v 8-11;
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Apostle Paul didn't count those who DEFILE THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND as righteous people...

Now the million dollar question is...who was Paul referring to as those who DEFILE THEMSELVES WITH MANKIND?

"For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching"
- For fornicators, for males who lie down with males, for kidnappers of free men, for liars, for oath breakers and for all things opposed to the sound teaching

Yes OkCornel, the money question is, who originally, before words in the Bible got changed from their actual and/or meanings, was/were Paul referring to in 1 Timothy 1:10, hmm?

Shepherd00:
He has only one Card left to play. Wait for it, very soon he'll say Jesus and John the Beloved were homo-lovers.

MuttleyLaff is a N.W.O agent.

1/ Why would I say Jesus and John the Beloved were homo-lovers, ehn? This is crazy, you really have lost the plot Shepherd00.
2/ What reason have you that would make me want to say that, hmm?

I am waiting for your answers

Shepherd00:
Lolzzzzz. Why must TV be the one to tell me? You are here now, yet I must reach out to TV01 to tell me what you believe is the right type of Homosexuality.

MuttleyLaff, have it your own way.

Its very simple, so I repeat myself that I have never kept it a secret what type of homosexuality is permissible. If TV01 could suss me out that much, you Shepherd00 is better off asking him to tell you, about what I say in that regard, because you know how to call out to him, on other matters, so why are you now all of a sudden shy asking him on this one?

Shepherd00:
How many times do I have to answer this?

1.I call sin, and abomination what God calls sin and abomination.

2. As Hetero-sex is a form of worship to Jehovah. Homosex is a form of worship to satan

3.It is Satan's sex pattern. God created human race to continue. Satan wants to kill, steal and destroy the earth.

4. Homosexuality is death and Useless to Man and the Universe.

5. It is a transgression of the Law, 'Go into the world and Multiply', and seeks to defeat the counsel, 'Have children and fill the earth

God dearest it because IT IS UNCLEAN. UNNATURAL, VILE, AND ABOMINABLE.

Read above.

Unlike you who evades questions, ask me again, and I will tell you again.

I haven't lately, read nor come across such a discombobulated reply filled with gross misinformation such as this before. What a so pathetic excuse of an answer. SMH.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff. Which homosexual built a Church for the Israelites. Isaiah chapter what and verse what did God promised to recompense the homosexuals?

Which passage of the Bible did Jesus Christ of Nazareth highly praised homosexuals above Hetero-sex?

Can you answer for the sake of others?
Have it your way. Answer or not, the truth remains bright.

The thing about the truth, is, you can be standing right in front of the truth and not necessarily see it, and people only get it when they're ready to get it. The more you look and stare, the less you see

Shepherd00:
But I mentioned tongue and lip sucking when I mentioned Jamal and his gay men. You mentioned these people, why did you if you didn't mean that they also sucked tongues and lips as Jamal Lyon did?

"You need help fast, you not only have homophobia disorder you also have a voyeuristic disorder, and these, on top of being a closet homosexual

Whats with the fake sickness, huh? Tell, what specifically and why are you having this fake sickness at the thought of two men having sex of each other, hmm?"
- Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 10:40pm On May 12

"Sorry, pardon me. I forgot you are gay and see your act as normal. Maybe if you were straight or Homophobic, you'd ve understood what I mean. I watch empire I say Jamal and his men, I see them kiss themselves and I wonder if they are humans. It is sickening to say the least. But, what van I say, enjoy. There are too many women on earth for me to look at a fellow man.
Thunder fire satan "
- Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by Shepherd00: 11:10pm On May 12

'Liar! Liar! Pants on Fire! Shepherd00, from the quotes and proofs shown above, you never mentioned tongue and lip sucking when you, at 11:10pm On May 12, mentioned Jamal and his gay men

I told in post above, that I will show you the Jamal proof of you lying like a cheap Persia rug, that I will expose your lie.

Shepherd00:
Lolzzzzz. Why not try and get your ass kicked to a curb? Liar.

Hmm, interesting, liar pot calling snow black

Shepherd00:
Have it your own way. The means determines the end.

The time is not yet ripe for you to know Shepherd00

Shepherd00:
Yet, you mention it to me. You don fear MuttleyLaff.

Please tell me, what part of "you havent proven yourself worthy to be or qualify to be, in the know, yet of it" dont you seem to understand, erh? Abi kini gbogbo palapala yi bayi kẹ?

Shepherd00:
Anyways, have it your own way. Jesus will patiently wait for us both.

Shepherd00:
Who is intimidated by whom now? Fear fear.

It's not fear, fear nor about fear, if I said "Nah, dont want to, you'll get miserable and depressed if I do, and I dont want that for you Shepherd00". It's me looking out for you. You dont expect me to give you a loaded gun, or do you?

Shepherd00:
Have it your own way MuttleyLaff, but the Bible is there for those who wld read to see what sodomy or who the sodomites are, and what they do

I have hinted to what and who the real sodomites or sodomy is. You can go on still believing what you erroneously have believed them to be

Shepherd00:
What was this 'Sin?'
Genesis 19:4-7 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.(i.e. have sex with them).

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

And said, I pray you, brethren, ~~~do not so wickedly.~~~
MuttleyLaff what is the sin in this context? The reads will make up their mines.

But, you, have it your own way.

"yes Sodom and Gomorrah, has sexual immorality problems, but the fact still remains, that they were already earmarked for destruction and this primarily was for being inhospital. The decision to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah had already been made the attempted rape, the lusting after a neighbour's body and trying to have carnal knowledge without consent, that was insult upon injury, like adding salt to a wound. The city had already been decided to be destroyed before this their wicked, insensitive act and madness"
- Re: Is Incest Not Human Law And Convention? by MuttleyLaff: 6:49pm On Mar 30

"Are you sure the narrative of Lot and the angels, had anything remotely at all, to do with same sex marriages or whatnot, hmm? It has nothing to do with SS marriage(s), but a great deal to do with, lusting after strange flesh, like going after something that isnt human beings, on top, planned and attempted gang rape, wanting to have carnal knowledge without consent, being wicked and evil and/or not being hospitable, friendly and welcoming to strangers or visitors"
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:00am On Jun 04

"MuttleyLaff could The Lord be referring to inhospitable nature of these people or something worse? Oh, but I know you won't respond."
- e: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by Shepherd00: 2:43pm On Jun 04

Shepherd00, you can still from the three above inverted commas above, at least, that you are asking a question that I have already answered. I at 7:00am On Jun 04 did give the answer to what the sin is to kkins25, you responded to the answer with all manner of disparaging remarks, which I didnt mind.

"²²You must not mistreat any widow or orphan.
²³If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to Me in distress, I will surely hear their cry"
- Exodus 22:22-23

"¹⁴Do not oppress a hired hand who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother or a foreigner residing in one of your towns. ¹⁵You are to pay his wages each day before sunset, because he is poor and depends on them. Otherwise he may cry out to the LORD against you, and you will be guilty of sin. "
- Deuteronomy 24:14-15

Knowledge is everything. Read, study and research the Bible. When you dont do own home work on the Bible, this is exactly what happens, you will ask questions, like as if you're Nicodemus, that have glaring, plain to see, easily seen or noticed answers.

I am now, going to write a bit more and further in detail about the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah including why it was planned to be destroyed, even before the men of the city's attempted gang rape of those angels that looked like human beings (i.e. angels that had the appearance of men)

1/ The clue, for the reason of their sin, can be found within the "outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great" text in Genesis 18:20. Shepherd00, the word, outcry, is a strong expression of anger and disapproval about something, made by a group of people or by the public. The bible uses the "outcry" word, as you can see, from at least Exodus 22:22-23 and Deuteronomy 24:14-15 above, to report the cries of people, those that are unfairly treated, those oppressed and those treated in a savage, unfriendly, unwelcoming, inhospitable and/or violent ways

The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was continually and persistently being cruel, violent to others and being insensitive to the pain they cause others. Their time was up, when the outcry of the people and the land reached God

2/ Jesus in Matthew 10:14-15, even confirms, what the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah, was about, that its not renowned for its hospitality. Jesus never nor once, mentioned nor associated sexual sin with Sodom and Gomorrah, but he drew a special attention mention of inhospitality compared with Sodom and Gomorrah's case.

3/ Sodom and Gomorrah, should have being the least people to be behaving in this way because remember how in Genesis 14:1-17, God delivered them from been under the control of Chedorlaomer, yet they are unwelcoming to others, oppressing others, maltreating others etcetera

I am sorry, time again isnt an ally, time no dey, there isnt time for me to continue doing justice to this Sodom and Gomorrah grievous sin palaver thing, but at least, you gained a lickle bit of education so far, you would admit. I surely will revisit the matter in the future, for sure as someone or even you, I trust will again bring it up

Shepherd00:
At this point, I genuinely feel sorry for you Muttley. Hmmm.

You genuinely should feel sorry for yourself, but never mind, dont worry, as one day, you will get all this on your own, and with tears streaming down your face, realising how you had it all wrong

Shepherd00:
I'd ve asked that you led me there, but you could post other scriptures I'm capable of handling to me, but the scriptures where God promised to restore the homosexuals, where Christ highly praised the homosexuals etc, I am not efficient in Scriptures, so you won't.

Have it your own way.

Someone will read what we type here, pls be ready to.post he scriptures to them

I am patient with any that is ignorant but not with those who are proud of being ignorant Shepherd00.

Shepherd00, you can't help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves

Shepherd00:
This is my stance today, tomorrow and for ever, Homosexuality is an abomination, it is an abhorrent Act, it is unnatural, vile, unclean and useless to the human race and their Universe in general.

It leads to death and extinction.

At least, try being informed, for a change, and not just opinionated
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PS: You are distracting me from finishing replying to those TV01 outstanding posts. I dont have time as an ally and do have work to attend to. I had to abort responding to TV01, to attending to you because of your incessant screeching and snapping at my heels

Shepherd00:
This will be my last reply to you.

Good!! GRBR!!!
It's like trash taking itself out. Good riddance to bad and homophobic rubbish. Less drama and complicated people.
Thank you and good bye!

Shepherd00:
Let everyone who reads what we have posted here deduce the truth.

Well, you know what the truth, they'll say about you? They'll say, we knew you'll foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo yourself up, on your own

Shepherd00:
It's useless going on with this.

Please burn the bridge to this thread, so to stop yourself from crossing it ever again. Will miss you, not so oh greatly.

Shepherd00:
There are two kind of persons on earth;
Those who say to God, 'Let your Will be done'.
And, those to whom God will say, 'Alright then, have it your own way.

There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe your comment just there above and those who dont

Shepherd00:
How convenient. You left out Homosexuality which the Bible mentioned as what led to the land vomiting its inhabitants.
Have it your own way.

Please dont start again because I did not leave out the sort of homosexuality, which the Bible mentioned as what led to the land vomiting its inhabitants. You obviously have missed where I mentioned it or you didnt at all read my post and that wont be the first time. Well you cant turn round and say, it's my fault now, can you, especially when by your own very admission, you find it challenging putting effort, in reading other people's posts.

Shepherd00:
If I trample over it, others may not. So, you dey fear me?

God has not given me the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind, and good judgment and of wise discretion.

Shepherd00, if you breathe oxygen, I do not fear you. I fear no man.

Shepherd00:
Have it your own way.

How dare you Shepherd00 hmm? So you want me to give you a chance to besmirch the truth, hmm?

Shepherd00:
Do you want me to repost from the sites you guys gather to convince yourselves that God loves homosex and that David and Jonathan were lovers, and that Jesus and John were lovers?

You are losing touch with reality because I dont know anything about all these allegations you are wrongly accusing me of, nor do I know what sites you are talking about. You definitely must be paranoid or something

Shepherd00:
Shd I post it?

If you want to give them free advertisement, of course go ahead, why not. I even might glean a thing or two from the site, for my cheese.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, have it your own way.

Yes and be warned though Shepherd00, that I am a stone and he who falls on this stone will be severely hurt and he, whom the stone falls, will be utterly crushed.

Shepherd00:
Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth is the daughter of Bishop Desmond Tutu who is a lesbian?

So? Her father is an Anglican Bishop who ordains homosexuals as Bishops and Viccahs. But, who is she? A great missionary to the nation's carrying the gospel of Christ to far and near lands, yet homosexual, right?

Clap yourself.

"... at the rate you are going on, you would get quite an education before the time you decide you've had enough for the day, to scurry back to that undergrowth abyss pit of hell, you crawled out under from. You will soon learn and know why jesusjnr never has the balls to engage me nor respond to simple easy straightforward and direct questions put to him by me."
- Daddy Freeze Hails Pastor Abel Damina For Saying Women Can Wear Trousers by MuttleyLaff: 3:31pm On Apr 15

"Let them all ride with me, till the wheels break. It isnt called going for a spin, it’s called ride and get an education, because thats what dem jesusjnr, elated177, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15, Baddiezz, TV01, Shepherd00, ThothHermes etcetera will get. Efry day, efry day, monkey go leave home, go market, but one day, one day, hin go go, no go return back."
- Re: An Open Letter To Daddy Freeze By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 10:10pm On May 22

"I am consoled and glad you went online to get education on Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar. You no doubt found out their usefulness and benefits to society."
- Re: Questions For Budaatum: How Can You Follow Jesus Without Believing In Him? by MuttleyLaff: 4:31pm On May 29

"By three methods we may learn wisdom, I've heard people say. First by reflection which is noblest, second, by imitation which is simplest, third by experience which is the bitterest, so for those objecting to and/or opposing the facts, I write it off for the naysayers as a life experience and getting education."
- Re: Deconstructing The Lies & Myth of Consensual Adult Homosexuality/Same Sex Union by MuttleyLaff: 7:23am On Jun 07

No, but rather clap for yourself because just like I do promise you and your sort, yall will be getting education, which you have been, as side the loads of info so far shared, you've actually been forced to go do on online researches, in order to find out things yourself. That is commendable Shepherd00, as in addition to what you've learned, directly or indirectly, from interacting on this thread, you've got to be in the know of information and knowledge you previously, didnt know or werent aware of, all from trying to get answers to questions I've put to you

Asides, what you've learned about Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar, you now managed to find out who who else agrees with me on this, havent you? Now that you about Archbishop Desmond Tutu agreeing with me, did you at all managed to find out that, Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth, his daughter, was a Reverend Canon, was painful forced to give up her priestly ministry too?

Shepherd00:
You interjecting with these examples implies that you mean to present homosexuals mouth to mouth kisses with the philio cheek Peking as the same. True or false?

False! Only a simple, small and narrow minded person will believe, think or say that's true

Meet with me on my next post below, I will show you the Jamal proof of you lying like a cheap Persia rug. I will expose your lie.

Shepherd00:
Their population was 5% according to you, but they powerful and influential enough to have Temples and their own gods and temple prostitutes.

And, their activist were quite renown enough to attract God to come down and see for Himself if it was indeed true.

Genesis 19:4-5 Before Lot and his guests could go to bed, ~~~every man in Sodom~~~, young and old, came and stood outside his house and started shouting, “Where are your visitors? Send them out, so we can have sex with them!”

These are very few men indeed.

Judges 19:22
While they were enjoying themselves, ~~~a crowd of troublemakers from the town surrounded the house. They began beating at the door and shouting to the old man, “Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him.~~~”

Their cup of wrath was full for divine judgement to be visited upon them Shepherd00

MuttleyLaff:
Two, SSA, were inconsequential back then until God promise in Isaiah and elsewhere that He will recompense them
They were inconsequential to God?

Shepherd00:
Yet, cities of Sodom, Gomorrah and the surrounding cities stands annihilated because of this Act?

And Canaan committed them out?

The Amorites are mentioned in the Bible as inhabitants of Canaan both before and after the conquest of the land, now God, in, Deuteronomy 12:31 said: "You must not worship the LORD your God in their way, because in worshipping their gods, they do all kinds of detestable things the LORD hates" and Leviticus 18 gives details of many of the sinful religious practices of the Canaanites, which included child sacrifice to the god Molech, incest, bestiality, being kadesh or qadesh (i.e. which is temple prostitute and a form of homosexuality) and cultic prostitution, I have earlier, talked about why God was against the Amorites, I've talked about why Sodom and Gomorrah was planned to be destroyed, even before their attempted homosexual gang rape intention of visitor angels to the town, but all you want from me, is to cut everything up in small piece sizes, prise your mouth open and spoon feed you. Maybe I should come you tuck into bed too tonight. What time do you sleep at night, so I'll come do just that for you too, hmm?

Shepherd00:
And Isaiah chapter what verse what pls?

Why the interest? So you could trample on it and dance all over it, I guess, hmm?

MuttleyLaff:
They are, you just don't like them asides that, you keep asking questions, I've already touched or answered

Shepherd00:
Okay let's say the problem is with me, who else agrees with you on this?

Few and far in between agrees

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, you copy pasting pro-homosexual ideologies with warped and skewed Bible representations.

Now, its gotten to you, accusing me of copy pasting "pro-homosexual ideologies with warped and skewed Bible representations". It is only a wounded person that lies and lie low with a slanderous comment like that

Shepherd00:
No Christian will agree with you.

Really? I know you have forgotten, I've told you about Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth. I know you dont know who her father is and I know you'll lambaste him once you know, saying he's sold out, he has disappointed you etcetera

MuttleyLaff:
We thank God for His wisdom of permitting the narrative of David and Jonathan in the Bible

Shepherd00:
In other words you admit saying David and Jonathan were in homosex relationship?

Remember that what brought me interjecting David and Jonathan with Judas and Jesus or others kissing was when you said, it is unhuman for a man to kiss another man. Whether David was homosexual, bisexual or whatnot is no skin off my nose, as I couldnt be bothered what he is

MuttleyLaff:
You are right he never made any distinctions and I never said he did. What I said is that TV01 know my homosexuality purview, so ask him

Shepherd00:
I am not having a discussion with TV, it's with you. So tell me. Which type of Homosexuality is permissible and approved of God? With scripture.
And Oh, maybe that Isaiah you mentioned can help us.

I have never kept it a secret what type of homosexuality is permissible. If TV01 could suss me out that much, you are better off asking him to tell you, about what I say in that regard. You know how to reach out to him on other matters, why are you shy asking him on this one?

MuttleyLaff:
The little subtle facts, so far advanced, are unsettling you Shepherd00. You aren't ready for the facts, you can't yet handle the facts, you'll go wobbly jelly so just sit back and be reading the commentary between TV01 and I

Shepherd00:
Yet you can handle little me here. U are dodging questions like your very life depends on it.

Its you lot who dodge my questions, like, what is the evil in same sex attraction, what is the reason, God said it's an abomination, why did God, say he desists it, what is wrong or bad in same sex attraction acts etcetera, you lot just abandoned and run off without responding to any of them. I answer your reasonable, rational and non obnoxious questions. I sometimes reanswer questions, I've previously answered elsewhere too.

Shepherd00:
I am not TV, and when you went everywhere boasting of trashing me you forgot you'd have to actually do the trashing? Now you are looking for an escape route.

You have a bone to pick with me independent of TV.

There is no escape route. I locked the door with all of us inside and threw out the key through the window. Didnt I say, no one get off this bumpy ride before the wheels come off. You no sabi momoh

TV01, sees certain things you dont see. I know you'll listen to him rather than me telling you stuff.

Its the other way round actually, its you having a bone to pick with me remember

Shepherd00:
In other words these people were homosexuals?
The kisses you mentioned were the Tongue sucking or lip sucking kisses? To this you dodged.

Is your nose still growing? SMH. It should because I never mentioned tongue sucking or lip sucking kisses. It was you who said men kissing each other was unhuman, making me provide you with biblical ref of kissing men

Shepherd00:
@TV01 and @ openmind pls you guys who are efficient in Scriptures should tell MuttleyLaff to post the passage of the Bible stating that Jesus highly Praised homosexuality more than Heterosexuality. Abeg. Him say him no go.post am because me I no sabi Bible.

You've just, with the way you tagged my friends up there, reminded me of watching WWE, with a team of two or more wrestlers, taking turns, competing against one wrestler on another team.

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff, didn't you know I was deficient when you brought that up. Post it for the sake of your audience.
Pls don't forget to post this took

¶ The Homosexual who built a Church for the Israelitish Church.
¶ The passage in Isaiah where God made a promise to the Homosexuals
¶ The Passage where Jesus highly praised homosexuals above heterosexuals.

You havent proven yourself worthy to be or qualify to be, in the know, yet of it

Shepherd00:
They way brag, one wld think it won't take you anything to post proves to validate your boastings.

I ask you again, who was he? Any link to verify it?

Yeah, there is a link, but thats for me to know but for you, to go find out

Shepherd00:
You can try.

Nah, dont want to, you'll get miserable and depressed if I do, and I dont want that for you Shepherd00.

Shepherd00:
Amongst the worshipers of Jehovah, who are who were the commoners who were Homosexuals?

The Bible deemed it not information worthy enough?
Ah, this guy sha. Cities went out of extinction because of this, yet you think this was not information worthy enough? The information given is enough for us to work with. Sodomy today has it's root from there. Without the information from the Bible, you and I won't be having this conversation.

I earlier asked you that, do you know who originally from the real meaning, before it got changed to homosexual, is a sodomite, as in, what is sodomy Shepherd00? but you replied back with: should we now leave the Act and what the Lord says about it to talk about the name and who coined it or changed it?
and that the real meaning is Men having sex with men, further telling me, call it whatever, the meaning will not change. This is an ignoranus statement to make and you seem delighting in your ignorance of what sodomy or sodomite, originally and truly means

Shepherd00:
How then did they managed to get quite the attention they had to attract fire rain from heaven?

"²⁰Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great. Because their sin is so grievous,
²¹I will go down to see if their actions fully justify the outcry that has reached Me. If not, I will find out.”"
- Genesis 18:20

SMH, this guy really doesnt know his Bible sha

Shepherd00:
Okay, they became a force to reckon with, hence Jehovah made them a promise of recompense. Righttttt

It is called restoration and part of the Gospel

Shepherd00:
Which Chapter and verse in Isaiah?

Siddon there, bin dey ask me. OK?

Shepherd00:
Yeah, you said so, but didn't say which one He approves backing it up with scriptures.

I have

Shepherd00:
The Word of God is the mind of God.

I know I have, but you obviously havent read when and where. You dont like long posts

Shepherd00:
Lolzzzzz. I asked you why no Patriarch was homosexual, you asked me if any Patriarch drove cars or flew on airplanes, and I said no. What is the game in this?
Just say you want dodge the question MuttleyLaff. Later now, you go dey claim say you don a answer me. Na dey answer be this?

Wasn't homosexuality in Abraham's time? Lot lived in their midst, why wasn't it recorded that one Jehovah's worshipper was a homosexual? Why is this so heard to answer? Pls take yourself serious.

There were no Patriarch homosexual, doesnt mean there werent ordinary people being SSA persons.

Though homosexuality was in Abraham's time and Lot lived in their midst, more information werent recorded because the Bible deemed it not information worthy or important enough. I've somewhere above, told you that, SSA persons were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population. I added that SSA persons, were inconsequential back then, until the time, God promised them in Isaiah and elsewhere, that He will recompense them.

I have several times over, on this thread and elsewhere, told, the kind of homosexuality God frowns upon.

Shepherd00:
No. But I see Patriarchs who engaged in what was prevalent in their contemporary world. There were no planes or Cars, Abraham wld have had Many. Jacob wld ve had many. Job wld have had many. David wld've had a fleet. Solomon wld've owned an Aircraft company

Did you read, that in the Bible, that there were no planes, cars etcetera, hmm Shepherd00? You see, I too, know how to play, ask the absurd/unreasonable questions game Shepherd00, just putting that out.

Shepherd00:
But see men who had Gold and Silver, and Servants, Camels in hundreds of thousands. Sheep uncountable. Horses which are counted as E pensive Cars today.
I see Patriarchs who got married to women and had children who had children who brought posterity to this generation.

I see men who were farmers because farming then was their Banking industries, their Telecommunication Conglomerates, their Hospitality Businesses. Everything was in their Farming business.

And, I also see men who Homosexuality was very much present with them in their time but none of them engaged in it. Why MuttleyLaff?

Yawns, because, one, SSA were the minority then, even as they still are today, which is less than 5% of the world population. Two, SSA, were inconsequential back then until God promised them in Isaiah and elsewhere that He will recompense them.

Shepherd00:
What is absurd about my questions? The answers you claim are in the Bible are not what you are trying to make them seem.

They are, you just don't like them asides that, you keep asking questions, I've already touched or answered.

Shepherd00:
Homosexuality is as old as Man on earth, Why? because satan is older than Man on earth. But, these Patriarchs lived through all these in the midst of men who practiced this act, yet didn't get involved, Why? That is my question. So what is the absurdity it this?

We thank God for His wisdom of permitting the narrative of David and Jonathan in the Bible

Shepherd00:
TV01 has never said there were types of homosexualities, you did, why are you directing me to him? You have no answer abi?

You are right he never made any distinctions and I never said he did. What I said is that TV01 know my homosexuality purview, so ask him

Shepherd00:
Does my being touchy, jumpy and highly strung preventing you from posting requested scriptures? Forget about me and present facts that you promised me. Have you forgotten you boasted and said you'd shut me up with facts?

The little subtle facts, so far advanced, are unsettling you Shepherd00. You aren't ready for the facts, you can't yet handle the facts, you'll go wobbly jelly so just sit back and be reading the commentary between TV01 and I.

Shepherd00:
That is because your hints are a hot pot of shit.
I mentioned Jamal kissing his gay lovers, You hinted that Joseph kissed his father Jacob, in other words, they were in a homosex relationship.

You hinted that Apst Paul admonished us to kiss the brethren. You implied that we the Christian male brethren are in a homosex relationship.

You hinted that David loved Jonathan, you implied that they were in homosex relationship.

Which other hint did you give which is actually what it is?

I am not surprised you are fibbing here, did you at all notice, a sudden and gradual increase in your nose, hmm?

I do correctly remember our interaction, where you advanced that it is unhuman for a man to kiss another man, so I kindly gave you examples of men kissing each other, like Judas kissing Jesus, Joseph kissed his father, Jacob and vice versa etcetera

Shepherd00:
No nah. Why will I do that when you'd present proof?

If Jesus praised homosexuals and their sex pattern above Hetero-sex, you'd present facts nah. No be for mouth.

I've told you already about your deficiency in Bible. You really need to brush up your Bible, to get rid of your deficiency

Shepherd00:
You said a Gay man built churches or a Church for the Israelites, and I said, verifiable proof? You told me to go get the proof myself. What kind of a person makes assertions yet demands that someone else provides proof?

Yes, I said it and you can take it to the bank.

The kind of person that previously told you about pearls not lying on seashores, and it you wanted some, you have to get your feet wet and dive for it.

Shepherd00:
Yes, MuttleyLaff. I quite agree with you on this. For long ago, Apst Paul wrote about this when he said;

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them
Acts 20:29-30.

So, yes, we are in the same train but definitely not in the same Coach.

Here it is said about you;

CEV Romans 1:32
They know God has said that anyone who acts this way deserves to die. But they keep on doing evil things, and they even encourage others to do them.

You seemed to have again gone on a proof-texting spree here Shepherd00. I am not going to bother, let you know what the Bible, says about you.

Shepherd00:
Lol. I don't need you to oblige me, just present the facts for the world to see

Don't make me laugh. You aren't standing on firm ground, that's the problem mate.

Shepherd00:
@MuttleyLaff, read the scriptures you posted again.

17 There shall be no LovePeddler of the daughters of Israel,
God hates Prostitution and says his daughters shd not do it. Does he still hate it? YES.

nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute )
MuttleyLaff, the Word is clear and explicit here. Stop twisting it.
It say 'Nor a Sodomite'.

1. No sodomite of the 'sons of Israel'. It has mentioned daughters, then now sons. but, You added (i.e. sons and daughters).

Sir, even the Blind man reading with brails will see that this has nothing to do with Temple Prostitution.
They are outlined things God hates, so we are asked not to engage in.

18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a LovePeddler,
What this means is, Ladies, Do not have sex with men for money and then bring the money as offering to Church

or the price of a dog , into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow:

Don't sell a dog and bring the money as an offering to Church.

for even both [b]these (plural), are
abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow.[/b]
The Lord hates temple prostitutes. )"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

MuttleyLaff, Issues are raised here which are outside Temple Prostitution, why did you conclude with (The Lord hates Temple Prostitution?)

I didn't even see where Temple Prostitution is mentioned here. Or do you mean to imply that all mentioned abominations here are Temple Prostitution?

Everything mentioned above God hates, including Sodomy. The act is not excused because there are also other abominations. Anyone who engages in any of the above commits abomination.


BIG QUESTION MUTTLEYLAFF.

Why does Sodomy alone earns death sentence?

https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult/12#79283442
Did you at all read my comment in the above link, hmm?
Do you know who originally from the real meaning, before it got changed to homosexual, is a sodomite Shepherd00?
Oh deng, I forgot you find long post a challenge to read. Oh well.

It isnt Sodomy alone that earns a death sentence. Shows how deficient you are in bible.

Please, stop asking me questions, I have already explicitly given you the answer to. Thank you. You just enjoy spamming the thread with your non depth distractions etcetera and so putting others like Ranchhoddas off.

When I ask you lot questions, I get the silence treatment, you lot scurry off and go AWOL schtum on me

Shepherd00:
Hmmm. You haven't realized that you are the lair here?
And, your long post is not the Bible. Again, the Bible is straight and direct. It does not rigmarole trying to dishonestly present half truths.

Muttley, So far with my discussions here, does it appear to you like I don't read my Bible deeply?
Dat one consen you.

MuttleyLaff. Which kind of homosexuality does God permits? Where can we find it in Scripture?

I asked you for a couple which engaged in it, you threw in David and Jonathan, yet said you were not sure as you had no proof.

How come all the Patriarchs no one was homo?

Why was it always mentioned in the negative and death accompanies it.

Instead of answering straight questions, you hide behind many big words or try to twist scriptures.

God hates Temple Prostitution, He also hates Sodomy, but you try by all means to make it only about Temple Prostitution.

I asked you, if God hates homosexuality which is done in Pagan Temples, which type does He like and who did it?
I'm still waiting.

Do you know any of the patriarchs that drove a car or flew in a plane? See, you do sometimes ask absurd questions, even when evidences are already in the bible or hintly already given by me

Ask TV01 which types, he knows which type from my purview, "f God hates homosexuality which is done in Pagan Temples, which type does He like and who did it?"

You keep being unnecesaarily touchy, jumpy and highly strung. There is nothing I hint about that you dont come back asking or querying me about it. If I tell you that a SSA was highly praised above all in Israel by Jesus, you would start jumping up and down with ax clung to your head shout blue murder, that MuttleyLaff has come again. Though we both are on the same train, we dey different coach and are at different levels Shepherd00. I understand that, and so at suitable or proper times, will oblige you. Peele, ndo.

Shepherd00:
I'd ve to ward through that maze just to get a verse of the Bible you could just post here? Is this a ploy to dodge questions?

MuttleyLaff, if you want to convince people that even one single couple in the Bible was homosexual, pls post here where it won't be difficult for people to see.

I am what? And, I have what?

And I remember begging you and you accepting to react to my post separately from others. Why didn't you do it? Oh wait, you plan to keep boasting abt me not responding to you when I don't read your verbose post right?

This post is short and precise, so post the scriptures here let people see.

In other words, we are too much for you to handle? You are completely swamped abi?

Okay, let me allow TV01 to continue wiping the floor with your ass.
And bro TV01, pls add this to the questions you'd ask MuttleyLaff.

"mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible".

Oh, it's a delight to watch him clean the floor with you.
And, keep your stupid posts short.

Shepherd00:
@MuttleyLaff. You really try to make Scriptures say what they are not.

I only need ONE SINGLE scripture which hints that God ordained homosexuality in his grand scheme of things.

It's not enough to say 'God is not against it. Point to where He permits it.

Was it an Afterthought haven created Male and Female?

How did it enter into the Equation? It began with Male and Female, we didn't hear about any other pattern until later on in Sodom.

At what point in Biblically Chronological history was this sex pattern added?

Going by what you posted about David and Jonathan, are you saying every Man who loves a fellow male friend is in a homosex relationship?

It hasn't occurred to you that David and Jonathan's love for each other is the level of Love Jesus preaches for us to abide by?

I'm waiting for you to say that The Lord God Jesus was in a homosex relationship with John the Beloved becos Jesus loved him even more than David loved Jonathan.

Jesus loved John to a point of handing over the custody of his earthly mother to before His death.

Do you remember that Mary had other children? Grown ups who could care for their mother, but Jesus gave that right to John. Will you say Jesus did this because Him and John were having sex?

You can say it MuttleyLaff. The sites you mine your posts are riddled with this, so don't shy away from also saying it.

N.B.L. Pls direct my answers to me, not to any other moniker.

Peace

Shepherd00, pearls don't lie on the seashore. Pearls draw divers to plunge deep into the sea, and so if you want one, you then too must dive for it. Dont expect me to do the heavy liftings for you, get your own hands to work too. Dont expect me to put things on a platter of gold for you.

The truth(s) in the Bible are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles, so the onus rests on you to sift through a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at them and when you stumble on pearls, then dust them down, wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them.

Now about short post. When the piercing needle of truth is hidden in a haystack of lies, it takes a long post to unravel through the haystack of lies to bring it out into the open. So my brother, extraordinary lies, requires extraordinary posts, not posts stupid posts kept short. Short posts hide a multitude of evil(s).

I am not a teacher, but an awakener. The ideas that have lighted my way, so far in life, have been kindness, beauty and truth, but I learn each day that people hate the truth

PS: Shepherd00 please, please stay away from strong coffee, I keep advising you

TV01:
I will respond in “themes” to what is a mish-mash of assertions, half-truths and outright lies sauced with lashing of emotional appeal. It really is a steaming hot mess and almost sullies one to give it attention, but having started, I will - by His grace – see it through.

"Ai tete mu ole, ole nmu oloko" loosely translate means "when you dont shout thief at a robber, the robber will pull a fast one on you and start calling you the owner, thief, first". Nice try.

TV01:
First the anecdotal cum appeal to emotion ploy;

It's a true life story, a mum recounting a seemingly passing incident with her then 3 year old boy

TV01:
MuttleyLaffs emotional appeal via this scripted homily about a 3 year old identifying as “gay”, is TBH quite pathetic – and unlikely to be true. But whether it is or not, is it scripture? Do we re-base our whole scriptural understanding or moral framework, due to a sob-story?

Why TV01, do you have so much hate in you like this, erh? It's just like how Joseph had a dream and he told the dream to his brothers , but they hated him all the more than they already hate him. I shared a story to highlight a connection of how someone subconsciously display SSA from birth, but because of your hatred, you vindictively rubbished the story, ridiculed it and dismised it off as probably untrue. Why so hate-filled over the narrated story

TV01:
How does a 3 year old grasp matters of sexual function/expression? The developmental pathway for sexuality has not fully kicked in, the hormones are not yet circulating, yet his family agreed with a self-diagnosed “gayness” at 3 years old. Where were social services?

The 3 year old, didnt grasp the gravity of what he said then. Even now, as a grown man, he doesnt anyway recollect that incident, it is his Mum who does. She brought up and narrated the story after retrospectively thinking of her son and the incident. She on hindsight understand from what happened on that day, that her son was born from the womb to be who he is. The telling signs were there to show this

TV01:
Second, the “follow-on” assertion, typically following a reading of scripture

Here MuttlryLaff, presents scripture relating to The Lords mentioning of Eunuchs. All well and good. Then, without breaking stride, asserts that what applies to eunuchs also applies to “gayness”. Without any evidence or an explanatory prologue .

The assertion I made was that some people are born from the womb to be the way, they are. Some are natural eunuchs, just as as some are natural or genuine homosexuals/lesbians, they are natural born SSA persons.

TV01:
Not only is this not attested to by scripture, as I’ve previously stated, science does not affirm this assertion. And even if science did, it would not mean it was any less a sin.

Nwanne brother, science is always doing catching up and if not changing or moving the goal post, but at least its got it right with epigenetics, we'll get it that

TV01:
Even if SSA is natal, it does not mean it is a good thing. Most men are born with the desire to sow their seed as widely as possible, does that make the urge holy?

SSA, is a good thing, if done with mutual love, if not cheating, if not sleeping around, if not sowing seed, just as you put it, that most men, who as far as I am concerned are disgraceful, desire to sow their seed as widely as possible.

You cant compare or equate the urge of SSA people in a romantic faithful, mutual loving, caring, kind, till death do part relationship with a philandering Lothario, Casanova or Don Juan kẹ. See me, see gobe. TV01, please dont even go there with that angle, nice try but just dont try it again.

TV01:
MuttlleyLaff is attempting to employ scripture about men not having sex to prove that scripture affirms same-sex activity. Laughable but criminally so !

When will you stop being shifty TV01, hmm? You know very well that, in that scripture, Jesus mentioned eunuchs in the context of whether it is good to marry or not marry. He identified three types of eunuchs, namely, the natural eunuchs (i.e. "born that way", the forced eunuchs (i.e. "made eunuchs by others), and the voluntary eunuchs ("those who by themselves chose to be eunuch".

TV01, the first class of eunuchs, Jesus mentioned are those "so born from their mother's womb", these kind of people did not make a personal choice to be eunuchs, they are just plain and simple eunuchs, the same way, there are same sex attracted people born to feel or behave that way from the womb.

TV01, now, if we are both, to be honest and sincere, you would accept and agree with me that, the context of Matthew 19:12, had more to do with talking about divorce than eunuchs. By divine intervention, it descended to and ended up with talking about men who dont want to marry women (i.e. Matthew 19:10 - His disciples said to Him, "If this is the case between a man and his wife, it is better not to marry.")

It is a convenient happenstance, that eunuchs got introduced and mentioned, that way or manner because it had the opportunity to highlight a fact, that some wont and dont have the desire for women and it could be vice versa. The traditional interpretation of this scripture, that you've learnt, and one which you've also admitted to, is that Matthew 19:12, is speaking of voluntary celibacy (i.e. you TV01, wrote: "... scripture about men not having sex ..." when in fact, the finish and concluded part of the Matthew 19:12 scriptural teaching, came to an end with the words: "He that is able to receive it, let him receive it".

SSA person falls under the same category, of an eunuch born that way from the womb, so they can accept the "flaw", and at the same time, know their potential, to love. The love being in a two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, not inflicting pain, no betrayal of another person, or no cheating on another person, and not harmful to an object or neighbour

TV01:
Third, claim to knowing the mind of God in a way that not only blasphemes God, but upends 2 thousand years of Christian orthodoxy (and implicates The Most High for allowing SSA people to suffer all this time)

I am sure you wont be that disingenuous, to say you dont know how long, it took God to come down to earth as a human being and to physically, for 33 years live among us. You just like behaving like a relentless person and you will keep on, always trying every and available single trick in your bag. Hmm, isnt that so?

TV01:
Here ML makes an assertion not following a reference to scripture, but one to God Himself (a kind of variation of #2). Asserting - “by extension” with no evidence or scriptura back-up - that because of God’s foreknowledge, therefore it was part of God’s plan and an actual element of God’s design?

Look at the anatomy of man naa, if there isnt evidence of God's foreknowledge, God’s plan and the actual element of God’s design naa.

TV01:
A behaviour the scripture shows as one that true believers will be delivered/washed from (1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10). A behaviour the scripture describes as against nature and contrary to function (Romans 1).

Puleeease, pack it in and jack away these lies and deceit you are advacing and perpetrating with 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 and Romans 1.

TV01:
In that case MuttleyLaff, you are “by extension” claiming that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples are you not. Although scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind.

No, I was not and never did claim that the institution of marriage was designed for SS couples. Please dont saying scripture fails to mention, foreshadow or present a positive archetype for relationships of this kind, especially when there is evidence in scripture about it. Just say, you arent aware of it because that is what you've being made and led to believe

TV01:
If the above is true, then your notions of hetero and homo as distinct types given by God is true. Therefore, when the bible calls out sexual sins, it needn't make specific reference to homosexuality. Simply mentioning fornication and adultery would suffice.

Infidelity, cheating, straying, fornication, adultery, being unfaithful etcetera are behaviours not fitting or appropriate in a faithful loving human being relationship, whether hetero or homo.

TV01:
Your logic is incohenrent, our doctrine is not joined up and your reasoning is not end-to-end. You are a campaigner, an advocate, specifically a homosexualist. Which is why your arguments parallel those used by the world - homoweb miner .

You've become unfocused and over-sentimental. You're commenting out of line here, and not toeing the line, something if done by Shepherd00, I can relate with. He lets his emotions, get the better of him when making his comments.

TV01:
Still on Romans 1. Firstly, it is only from verse 18 that the tone turns to one of the unrighteousness and ungodliness of men. Then, the trajectory is clear.

1. God and His attributes can be clearly seen and understood – no excuses
2. Not only did men deny and rebel, they exchange His glory and truth
3. Therefore God gave them up -to uncleanness and lusts – leading to a dishonouring of their bodies
4. Leading inexorably to a exchange of the natural use of their sexual function for one that is against nature and dysfunctional (gayhomosex)!
5. That then moving to utterly erase God ffrom their consciousness leads to them being given over and filled with all unrighteousness
6. And the resulting judgement – if they don’t repent - will be on them and those who support them.

There is no mention, alignment or reference too, or with, ritual sex rites or temple prostitution. Unless of course one is given to baseless assertions. This is about the very thing verse 18 opens with – the wrath of God against “all” Ungodliness and unrighteousness – not just specific (and nowhere defined in this portion of scripture) temple or ritual sex sins.

I wish I had the luxury of time, to do justice to this but I havent, so will just give it a little stab here. I have previously mentioned to a certain degree how I wont be surprised, if you haven't misunderstood what Paul wrote and what Paul was saying in Romans Chapter 1, along with other texts like 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and so thereby wrongly say things Paul was not at all saying.

You've given in to the false appearance(s) from the genuine and the false impression, different to the true meaning of the text and words in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10. The truth about the text and words, in Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9 and/or 1 Timothy 1:10 have being exchanged and traded for a lie(s) that so are misleading the saints.

Do you want me to give and explain the true and original meanings of the words "malakoi"/"malakos" and "arsenokoites" Also inform you why "arsenokoites" is defined as sodomites. Hmm? You like banding about the word sodomite(s), I've noticed.

Are you aware that Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 was issued and is prevailing again in Paul's time, there in Rome. Hmm?

TV01:
Bonus
An abomination is something that makes a believer (ritually) unclean or defiled. Homosex or endorsing homosex will do that everytime. Either way, don't be fooled - be delivered, be washed.

TV

"¹⁷There shall be no whọre of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel (i.e. No Israelite, man or woman, is to become a temple prostitute)
¹⁸Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whọre, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God. (i.e. also, no money earned in this way may be brought into the house of the Lord your God in fulfillment of a vow. The Lord hates temple prostitutes.)"
- Deuteronomy 23:17-18

Oh no, time no dey, time no dey. Sigh, somebori loves you up there TV01 and had your bacon saved. Dont worry, I'll be waiting for you round the corner. Argh, the thing dey pain me sha, say I nefa get time reach bust your jargons TV01 that you are spewing. Sighed again. Anyway, that Deuteronomy 23:17-18 scripture above, I'll just leave there, begin dey stare at am. I'll bring it up in latter posts, I am quite sure of that

I've got to pause here for now. Three more outstanding post of yours to respond to. Work is calling and I am already late stepping out

Shepherd00:
MuttleyLaff did you just say David, the man after God's heart was in a homosexual relationship with Jonathan?

I need you to say it categorically clear.

This is what the homosexuals say to justify their sin. The next line I expect to hear you say is 'Jesus was in a homosexual relationship with John the Beloved for that line follows this one. You'll get there las las.

God thank you for this thread, the AntiChrist in MuttleyLaff is emerging.

You have hidden long enough in the fold.

I never said he was nor said he wasnt. He could have being bisexual, he might be bisexual, but I don't know, as I haven't any proof.

You are everyday increasingly becoming and behaving like a Pharisee, trying to entrap and trip up people, changing and twisting what a person says and all that nonsense

Your phobia of homosexuals is becoming of you. I wonder how you'll feel and/or behave, if one homosexual, happened to be your Dad, Mum, Granpa, Grandma, Aunt, Uncle, Niece, Nephew, Cousin, Work Colleague, Friend, Daughter or Son, hmm?

Shepherd00:
I'd ve to ward through that maze just to get a verse of the Bible you could just post here? Is this a ploy to dodge questions?

MuttleyLaff, if you want to convince people that even one single couple in the Bible was homosexual, pls post here where it won't be difficult for people to see.


I am what? And, I have what?

And I remember begging you and you accepting to react to my post separately from others. Why didn't you do it? Oh wait, you plan to keep boasting abt me not responding to you when I don't read your verbose post right?

This post is short and precise, so post the scriptures here let people see.

In other words, we are too much for you to handle? You are completely swamped abi?

Okay, let me allow TV01 to continue wiping the floor with your ass.
And bro TV01, pls add this to the questions you'd ask MuttleyLaff.

"mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible".

Oh, it's a delight to watch him clean the floor with you.

And, keep your stupid posts short.

Shepherd00, you still don't appreciate and realise the reason why I opened this thread. The first word beginning the title subject head is a dead giveaway.

I am not here to convince people that homosexuals were in the Bible, when the evidence is in there stark nayked. As I said, I hinted in my lengthy 3-pageclong post about evidence of faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible. Too bad, you dont take to long write ups.

100 of you aren't too much for me to handle, it's just that, there are four important outstanding post of TV01, I love to address as quickly as possible, as it will open the thread up further, make it more openly and give it meaningful traction or mileage. When I am levelled with responding to TV01, you then can jump back in

My primary concern aim and object is to uncover the lies perpetrated and reveal the changed word meanings, that have been used to demonise genuine and truthful SSA persons.

Everyone except you knows this isn't a sprint thread. You just want to start running and leaping about without even trying to learn about crawling first. It's OK ooo

Shepherd00:
Wow, I have never come by anyone like you Muttleylaff. You have no shred of shame.
Why Haven't you mentioned one faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex couple in the Bible. Why does anytime homosexuality is mentioned death accompanies it? You can't answer yet you keep shouting faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex relationship

Go over my lenghty 3-page long post Shepherd00, you will read me hinting about them

Shepherd00:
Abraham became soft in the head and succumbed to his wives advice instead of what God said, a flaw. it was mentioned.

Onan, had sex with Tamar, his brother's widow because the children will not bare his name, he spilled the Seed, and got killed for it. It was mentioned.

Samson had sex with a prostitute, it was mentioned.

Judah had sex with Tamar, who had dressed like a prostitute, it was mentioned.

David committed adultery and killed an innocent man, it was mentioned.

Amnon, King David's son, had sex with his half sister. It was mentioned.

The Bible records everything, good or bad.

But I am yet to read where any of God's people was in a faithful, kind, caring, loving, long term committed same sex homosexual relationship. Why is that MuttleyLaff?

Pls am i missing it in the Bible? Pls help me.

You are, you have. I advised you to bookmark that my lenghty 3-page long post Shepherd00, to read it during lunch breaks or something, quietly and thoughtfully but would you, had you. Nah. I remember that, I even, on top, warned you over drinking too much strong coffee, as I noticed, it makes you become excessively hasty, impetuous and highly strung.

PS: Please do you mind Shepherd00. I have TV01 to take on. Just be watching TV01 and I, all your questions, concerns, questions you want asked, will be treated and addressed in my interaction and discussions with him

TV01:
MuttleyLaff,

Let me get this right, you are only now replying to posts from quite a while ago using responses previously posted . One of the many subterfuges you employ, although by no means your worst one. And dude, liking one's own posts demeans one, please. .

You want me to reinvent the wheel. I know who has poisoned your mind about anyone liking post. Some just dont accept and give up

TV01:
You fail to produce anything new here, just the normal half-truths, tenuous associations, flagrant mis- or re-interpretations and full-bloodied butchering of scripture. You no dey shame, you no dey tire? Ah, ah!

Your distraction posts, I had to in sequence respond to, obviously isnt letting me get to the real post that contended with my lengthy 3-part long post

TV01:
I saw nothing inappropriate about shadeyinka's poser. However, please address any misgivings appropriately.

Of course, you will say that. What was "inappropriate about shadeyinka's poser" was him asking me a question, that I had already addressed in my lengthy 3-part long post. I even provided a URL link and sign posted him so he can get informed. He threw it back in my face, and unashamedly told me in no uncertain terms that reading lengthy content isnt his thing. He also made irreverent remarks about my lengthy 3-part long post. He asked a non question, but didnt like being told he did.

TV01:
As ever, I will certainly take the opportunity to do just that.

Just know that when you do, you will be met with a robust face off

TV01:
Funny how you always trot out the "content is king but context is king-maker" line without ever adhering to it yourself. Hence why I ignored your attempt to get me to sign-up to your bogus charter - not that it fooled me for one moment. it's just another ruse you deploy.

Time is a snitch. Time will tell, time will surely in time show and tell, who has been taking biblical text out of context, will tell who has been interpreting under pretext. Dont worry, I'll expose you when I get round to responding to those your four outstanding posts, I havent replied to yet

TV01:
That chapter was about marriage, it's high expectations and that passage specifically in response to the disciples chomping at those expectations - the implication of being unable to meet them being celibacy.

You dont want to accept that marriage is beyond sexuality, that is part of your problem

TV01:
Leading up to the insight into celibacy, being hard (and a gift for the most part). Does your ideology accept that "homosexuals" can be made so by men? Does your ideology preach that some people become "homosexual/s" for the kingdom of heavens sake??

The Bible teaches abstinence in whatever shape or form

TV01:
It was not a "capture-all" of imperfections resulting form the fall. In fact, the starting point was divorce, therefore the law of Moses. The Lord referenced the creational intent (Male & Female ) passage to show what was being ushered in - or rather restored - after His completed work.

Your "by extension" arguments are unsubstantiated and a pitiful attempt to read your ideology into scripture


[quote author=TV01 post=79258778]Indeed, I am a literalist and an inerrantist. However I know that not everything detailed in scripture is prescriptive.

More like, you like to cherry-pick

TV01:
I don't actually harbour any ill-will towards those who practice homosex.

Tell this to the marines

TV01:
My desire is to proclaim the truth as I understand it. Like my Father in heaven, my wish is that none should perish and all should come to repentance. What do you presume prompts my longsuffering on this thread ?

I dont know. I am not sure if it's a hunger for knowledge or for a thirst for truth.

TV01:
Have done, and again above.

Not done good enough

TV01:
Only death dissolves a properly entered into and consummated marital union. Happy to discuss further at a time and place of your choosing, let's not deflect from the matte rat hand - as you are wont to do

Though it was pertinent, though it wasnt deflecting, your wish is my command and I can live with that

TV01:
Repent, believe, obey - that's bible. keep trotting out your ideologically driven clichés - they don't save and could condemn. Take heed sir.

I concur with you, only that there is nothing to repent from

TV01:
Not the bout I had this morning - thank God for sexual dimophousity .

It always is a beautiful and fulfilling thing. We thank God for the thought and design of the icing on the cake, without that, no one would have been interested in it, like you and I very much do

TV01:
You, with an unerring singularity, refuse to touch on many points presented. The hetero/homo labelling being one. Nowhere in scripture does God parse or label sexuality in this manner. It's a social and ideological narrative which is not ground in the truth of scripture.

Did you ever do "double dutch" (i.e. jump rope skipping) when growing up. If you did, you'll know about how you bide the time, watching and waiting for that window of opportunity for you to jump in

TV01:
You will always hit a brick wall trying to sanctify and align it with male and female marriage. Consent does not sanctify physical intimacy - notice I don't refer to it as "s3x" or "intercourse", as it is not rightly described as that, it's sodomy. Peace with God is in Christ Jesus and love as you present it in nothing other than a feeling, no matter how intense or erotic.

There you go again with the word "sodomy" and using from departure of it original meaning. Dont worry, never mind, it and all, will be addressed as I deconstruct it, other words and bible verses in my subsequent replies to your outstanding four post I havent got round to

TV01:
Being born that way does not make it right. The same argument is made for a number of pathologies. It is the behaviour the bible condemns, but more importantly, the gospel presents believers with a "re-birth". The old man dies and is re-born. The gospel does not preach re-packaging or refurbished the old man. .

Have you noticed that you are yet to tell, what the evil is in homosexual acts. You are yet to tell, what is bad, what is wrong in homosexual acts, the nature of whats in my purview

TV01:
I have answered this - totally irresponsible parenting, child abuse and a failure of the social welfare system. A 3 year old is in no way a sexual being, so sexualising them and worse still allowing them to "self-identify" is a woeful inversion of order. Do you have children?

Ah, you fit keel pesin, what has a passing remark made by an innocent kid, nurtured in a loving and caring heterosexual family setting got to do with sexualising?

TV01:
Data shows that of teens that identify as homosexual, up to 90% identify as "straight" by the time the reach their 20's. Are you losing your grip on reality. Is a 3 year old a sexual being or to be treated as such .

I would love to see proof of this data, but hey if according to that statistic, they outgrown, then what is the scaredy cat commotion and fuss all about then

TV01:
Why the attempt at a verbal sleight of hand? I have men I love. There is no romantic attraction or intimate physical relationship. We are friends or companions. What erotic intimacy between David and Jonathan occurred or is documented?

"I grieve over you, my brother Jonathan! You were very dear to me. Your love was more special to me than the love of women."
- 2 Samuel 1:26

I leave doing verbal sleight of hand to the professionals, like those, whose name and/or monikers we wont mention. I have just as you, men I love, but I am yet to find a man I love with a love deep, deeper than the love of women!

When I read verses like 2 Samuel 1:26 above, it reinforces my belief that, God surely is a mysterious God.

TV01:
I'm a boxer, after a tough fight with a valiant protagonist, you just want to hug and congratulate them. To appreciate their efforts in the war and their bravery. Likewise soldiers have a bond that is hard to describe. Even teammates in sport. Yet you woul dsully that and manhood as a whole by eroticising it and effectively ruining it for everyone. Rightly the affection is termed "vile"

I know you are pugilist. I know you do rofo-rofo too as well.

I've said it before, but will still repeat it here again. Victorious warriors, like myself, win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

I know a defeated warrior when I see one and as I know myself, also know my capabilities, I have no need, to fear the result of a hundred battles. TV01, I don't want blow my horn, but I am really excellently and better qualified than you, in putting the record straight in order to make the true facts known that having sexual feelings towards the same sex is not a sin and to tell the truth that God NEVER says Homosexuality is a sin, nor does God hate same sex couples, as in, God does not hate two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that has no detriment to another person, no betrayal of another person, or not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, mutually caring for each other, mutually respecting each other, mutually contributing to the well being of society and most importantly loving each other with a love that's until death do apart. They are two consenting adults that are not being promiscuous, so a good. They are two consenting adults, that are at peace with each other, with God and in truth, because their intentions are good and their hearts are pure, which also is another good thing.

TV01:
It doesn't need to be. There is nothing in scripture to predicate it on. Nothing in scripture to parse ss behaviour as described above. Nothing in scripture in terms of a shadow, pattern, or a type. The very act of ss intimacy is verboten.

TV

On the contrary, there are subtle references that parse ss behaviour as described above and in my purview

Brother, nwanne, that it is verboten, is a fabrication and make believe
1/ Where is and was it forbidden?
2/ What exactly and/or specifically was forbidden, hmm?
3/ Why and for what reasons was it forbidden?

Shepherd00:
You won't drag me to this squalor of yours. Like someone said, A Pig will always be a Pig tho in suit and living in a pen house.

Unlike TV01, to some degree, you are too melodramatic for my liking

Shepherd00:
So far, I have maintained my stance of being against homosexuality and that it's an abomination to Jehovah. But you on the other hand was caught lying that you didn't say God permitted or loved homosexuality and didn't say you'd back anything up with scriptures when your Op was exactly for that purpose.

Why dont just produce here verbatim, when and where I said anything such as that, hmm?

Shepherd00:
And yes, I may have judged you wrongly. The extent to which you can lie just to support Homosexuality, only a gay person can do that.

You really are never used to getting your facts right sha. O ma se ooo.

Shepherd00:
So, yes, you are GAY.

According to the gospel of Sherpherd00 abi?

Shepherd00:
Where in the Bible does Paedophilia and Necrophilia categorically and specifically talked against?

Look at him, asking this. SMH

Shepherd00:
Up until now, you have failed to point out where genuine Homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, and how many people practiced this genuine homosex.

They are few and far in between. Never mind you'll soon find out on this thread

Shepherd00:
May Jesus forgive you Muttleylaff for your wickedness. And wishing this wickedness on the Universe.
Nigeria and the entire world may allow homosexuals to take over the land and Defile it, it won't still be okay with God. And the judgement of God shall still descend against you and your ilk.

Is the Reublic of Ireland taken over and being defile, hmm Shepherd00?

Shepherd00:
Listen MuttleyLaff, you and I may not be alive to see this, but, what happened in the Land of Canaan will happen again, the land shall vomit you guys out.

You are just as bad as the rotten lot. SMH. You are nothing more than a false prophet, who needs the dark ugly wicked black

/\/\/\
Ignore Mode ON

Ranchhoddas:
I'm tired of this thread.
Hijackers have spoilt it.

Dont tell me, you dont know, it is impossible to have a picnic without hijackers ants joining to spoil it. Ndo, pẹẹlẹ.

bloodofthelamb:
Thanks for the compliment!

It is always nice to receive a compliment and it is very inexpensive to give one.

What is with our self styled cheerleader mutual friend openmine, making it his point of duty, to turn up every time and be patting you on the back, literally for each and every comment you make on this thread, hmm?

bloodofthelamb:
muttleyLaff, I do not agree with you that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality (Men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God). Men having a sexual relationship with their fellow men is not God's original intent/will.

bloodofthelamb, you dont have to agree with me that God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality, but as you put it, its men having canal knowledge of themselves, thereby defiling their body which is the temple of God, so why not, we agree to disagree and shake hands over it then.

bloodofthelamb:
Homosexuality entered the world through sin.

Out of curiosity, how, when and where did homosexuality enter the world through sin?

bloodofthelamb:
Homosexuality defeats God's purpose and will. The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one.

Infertiles of all manner of sort, too defeats God's purpose and will, but God has no hang ups over them now bloodofthelamb

bloodofthelamb:
The will of God is that a man(male) will leave his parents and cleave unto his wife(female) and both of them will become one.

So? Is it only one road that leads to the market ni?

bloodofthelamb:
Some people might be born with homosexual ten

You didnt finish this section off, but I guess the truncated last word (i.e. ten) was going to be "tendency", right?

You are correct, some people have the tendency to have homosexual behaviour because partly due to epigenetics, are born from the womb that way, others just adopt to be gay, like for financial reason or whatnot, case in point, will be our own and home grown, Denrele, Bobrisky etcetera

bloodofthelamb, did you at all managed to read the true life story incident I shared earlier on this thread, hmm? Never mind, I'll repeat it here so that you'll get a bit of perspective on that my "some... due to epigenetics, are born from the womb that way" comment. The person, in this true life story incident, is a grown man now and is enjoying a lovingly same sex attraction relationship, supported by his mum, dad, sisters and brothers, I mean supported by the entire family, dog and all in short, but here is the most interesting part of the story and my favourite part of the story, his mum fondly recalls that, when the man was three years old, he passingly, you know like innocent kids do, that very one bright early morning day, said to her: "Mommy, when I grow up, I want to marry daddy" How does one explain, a three year old boy coming out and saying at that age, that when he grows up, he wants to marry Daddy and not Mummy, hmm bloodofthelamb? It comes from the pit of hell, right, I second-guess, you'll say hmm abi?

bloodofthelamb, I know you highly respect and hold in the utmost regard Pastor John MacArthur. Well guess what, Pastor John MacArthur, accepts and agrees with me that the context of Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20, when talking about the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 contents, has nothing to do with homosexuals per se, had nothing to do with acts going on between consensual adult in homosexuality, or homosexuals/lesbians and/or same sex attraction and union(s), especially one that is in, a kind, trusting, caring, loving, helpful, faithful, honest, not harmful and committed life long until death do them part relationships. He in fact, admits and concedes that, they are all what I said, it is and they are, in that my lengthy 3-part long post bloodofthelamb. I am sorry, bloodofthelamb, for being the one telling you this also, but Pastor John MacArthur, on record, actually too, admits that the context of 1 Corinthians 6:9 was temple prostitution and had nothing to do with homosexual acts per se.

Along the way bloodofthelamb, have you caught up with the latest news that happened earlier this week erh? That the pope, is pushing to have part of the word(s) in Matthew 6:9-13 Lord's Prayer in the Bible changed?

So too, Pastor John MacArthur changed his perspective on the context of 1 Corinthians 6:9 as temple prostitution matter, as well as, Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20, when talking about the Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 content subject so much that he is now saying them verses are talking about idolatry and not homosexuality. Go investigate the issue, check whether or not Pastor John MacArthur said this. in order to verify the facts. I dont do rumors nor share questionable information. Go fact check, go research everything I wrote, in that my lengthy 3-part long post, in order to verify the facts.

bloodofthelamb:
Network is really bad here, I will modify this post later because this not all I have to say. Pls bare with for quoting twice.

I noticed the ending part of your post, appeared truncated, but still got the full gist of what you were trying to say. Notice I mentioned something about your unfinished post. That is Ibadan network for you.
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bloodofthelamb:
Indeed it is but we shall not be moved!

After all said and done. After all the argument back and forth.

This is gospel (good news) to sinners (What ever your category you belong to), Christ has delivered you from it, be homsexuality, fornication, adultery etc) go and sin no more.

I believe with my whole heart that your deliverance done by Christ can not manifest, if you don't first see it with your inner eye of faith..... "It is not really about preaching that God has done, it is about believing that He has done."

I took the liberty, as a "just that you know and for your information" thing, to repeat my response to your reply done to one of mine

I recall you typed:
"The anus in general, was never made for sex and its natural use is for excretal (I stand to be corrected though, that is if I am wrong here).
Men have left the natural use of things and there bodies, they have inclined themselves to the unnatural (this also was Paul's argument in Romans 1).",

You are not knowledgeable about some things, as much as you seem to want to make yourself believe you are bloodofthelamb, so why I've got to ask you these two easy, simple, direct straightforward questions:

1/ Where did you read and who told you, the anus was never made for sex, hmm?
2/ Are the peniis and vagiina too, to your understanding, just as the anus, not used for excreting, hmm?

The gospel bloodofthelamb, the good news is not LGBT (Let God Burn Them) nor is it LGBTQ (Let God Burn Them Quickly), but the gospel is Let God Be Truth (LGBT) and every man, a liar, it is Life Gets Better Together (LGBT) for the common good and well being of all of us as a whole, the moment we realise and recognise that every human being, regardless of sexual orientation, shouldnt be singled out, to bear, take or suffer the brunt of discrimination, hatred, violence, fear of their lives etcetera. They deserve a safe and supportive environment to live in peace and harmony within the community and be made out, to become unloved, victims, marginalised, ostracised, discriminated against, bullied, beaten up, shunned, abused, maltreated, mistreated, shamed, abandoned, feel unsafe, imprisoned, rejected, have fear for their lives, etcetera.