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Sarassin:
Can I have your autograph too...please....?

If you'll invite me too for a Cognac, sure, we can trade off,
as for the Cohiba Robustos, I pass on it
I dont need the surgeon general to tell me that one is a risk to my health

4C2215131:
Someday we will get together Sarassin God willing.
Maybe you'd come with me on one of my evocative journeys and "see" how you can possibly sync it with your tantric practices.

It really is difficult, to understand how God can be used in the above and below polar opposite quotes.

smartn09:
yes that is the area of my specialization dear friend and that's my nature.
Sometimes we kill for fun and destroy for pleasure
but always under the instruction of God and with the help of angels.
Then again, should we get into discourse on what is angels or demons, it may take over this topic and l guess you may not permit that.
what do you think?

Sarassin:
Furthering our discussion sir, what is your preferred method of conjuration?
do you go for full manifestation with full visuals? or astral visuals?
acquaintances of mine tell me they prefer the scrying methods for easier banishing.
Do you use a protective method at all?
i find invocations hugely energy draining, how do you ground yourself?

smartn09:
No worries, l will take you up from where you are at my own time.
Right now l'm just driving off....see you next.

After confiding in you, he asked you Sarassin, what you thought
but look at what you came up with

Sarassin:
LOL@ bolded.
One has to stand on fully de-consecrated grounds to make such statements, I pass no judgements though lets wait and see.

Instead of telling him what you thought
You peeved him off when you behaved like a star-struck young girl asking for a signed autograph
that he had to politely and literally brush you off

Sarassin:
Apologies, attack of the gremlins the bolded text of yours was the following : I am a scorpion, I sting

Locate your offending post,
Click on the Modify button
Find, saying[b] and let it be like this: saying [b]
as in, leave a space between, saying and [b]
then finish by clicking on the Submit button
The gremlins will be put to shame and post will no more look tacky
but become pretty and have bolded result

Sarassin:
LOL@ bolded.
One has to stand on fully de-consecrated grounds to make such statements, I pass no judgements though lets wait and see.

I dont see any bolded
Make saying[b] be like this: saying [b]
as in, leave a space between saying and [b]
and that post will look pretty and bold

4C2215131:
Sorry, I'd pass.
Regards.

You're too suss a character to oblige that.
I respect that, so no need to be sorry
but, I have my reasons for asking.
Your replies would have informed me how to understand you
and give me ideas of how you tick, why you do what you do, say what you say etcetera

4C2215131:
Remember there was a time I told you one of the basic reasons I avoided coming up here to discuss stuff. If I recall I complained about all the dick measurement and stuff. Seen it already. Folks accusing folks of actions they are guilty of, so much posturing, claims, counterclaims and whatnot. Can't communicate with such noise.

I evoke to physical manifestation (no crystal ball, shew stone, astral plane manifestation and stuff). I'm talking about the real deal here and bro, I tell you it has not been an easy road (physical manifestation...nearly lost my life in one occasion if not for the courage of a friend who risked his to save mine...the irony of the matter is he was my "student", an extremely gifted one at that reminiscent of Aleister Crowley if accounts about his natural occult gifts is anything to go by). I erred though, got the signs in time but was too cocky to back down. Learned a hard lesson that day ala you can never be complacent when it comes to advanced even basic occultism. Was bedridden for three days due to the rebound effect, had to call on Michael to do battle on my behalf (he always comes you know).

This brings me to why I asked that OP that question as the entity I evoked was a very powerful King and before then I had consulted other Adepts, read everything I could about him and fortified myself. I was warned not to carrynout the ceremony by every Adept I contacted (and they are quite powerful with many books written between them) but one told me something, he said " it may seem selfish using you as a guinea pig but if you want to do this, I'd appreciate it".

So, I'm sure the poster I addressed the question to would forgive me if my interest is piqued when it comes to evocation and the goetia.
Someday we will get together Sarassin God willing.
Maybe you'd come with me on one of my evocative journeys and "see" how you can possibly sync it with your tantric practices.

Please convincingly define God and god(s).
Exhaustively and to the best of your understanding do this for me please
Do it without holding back, give all your definitions, examples and/or explanations, like as if your life depended on it.

Sarassin:
You're kidding me, is the man's name really 'Alois'? I had no idea.

Apparently so

Sarassin:
Agreed, I am not debunking his claims either,
particularly as my experience with evocation in the Lemegeton is very limited to working with Duke Dant_lion and trying to develop a relationship. Assuming he is correct then how he has manged it with all 72 is intriguing.

I recall him being a wannabe
but the guy's now, literally saying "I Am a Scorpion. It Is My Nature. I Sting..."
He also, now on this thread, made the damning statement and admission of guilt, of being, evil incarnate, and for the sheer fun of it

4C2215131:
Hahahahahaha....hahahahah...
I'm being cautious as I know the derailers haven't noticed me yet.

Don't let them frighten you,
Their bark is worse than their bite, they wont hurt a fly

4C2215131:
So, I want to get the info I need, make my contribution (as Sarassin is a friend I'm yet to meet)
and beat a hasty retreat (not for lack of bravado, just tired of all the back n forth and stuff)
The original thread would have been sooooo interesting if only they'd allowed the OP be

OP is Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger
He always finds a way back

4C2215131:
but, no, the so-called custodians of religion and science had to prove to him that he was in error, delusional and possibly senile

I think "the so-called custodians of religion and science" let OP have a good run
before those with the gift of invectives climbed in clamouring for attention

4C2215131:
The greatest question that has aided advancement in all aspects of life to this day is:

"What if..."

When you approach scenarios neverminding how ridiculous or incredulous they seem to be with this mindset, you'd be astonished what you'd find.

OP's unknown other middle name is Resilience
If something is meant to be,
it will happen and for the right reasons

Sarassin:
I did ask the same questions a dozen or so pages back,
to be fair to the gentleman he did say he was just driving off and he'd be back soon.
He must be somewhere along the I95

Hmm, resisting "old Idi"
There's too much must-see attractions along I95

4C2215131:
Hmmm....I see.
You've worked with all the demons in the Lemegeton.
Hmmm...I see...traded words with Belial, Bael, maybe Purson, Asmoday and Bune
A master of evocative arts you seem to be.
Pray tell, how did you evoke these entities to the "physical"?
Maybe I can glean a less "involved" way to bring this about.

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Restoring "excite"
back to the thread

Sarassin:
Back with 'old Idi' I see!

Usually, I use "Old Idi" as a caricature of Muttley and its distinctive laugh

Sarassin:
I thought I read where you advised some poster not to rise to the bait?,
pity it didn't apply 35 pages ago

You must admit that,
you consciously and intentionally using the phrase "religionists, evincing their inner demons and cathartic value" is chucklesome
I just had to down the humor or comic side of it, as a good tonic of laughing
It was side-splitting, thanks for the medicine

Sarassin:
Good to see you 4C2215131 I have been well and I trust the same's with you.
Your input as always is highly valued,
I have no issues with the aforementioned other than that a few well placed questions went unanswered. Anyways nothing is ever lost,
something about this thread has religionists evincing their inner demons
so, in that respect there has been cathartic value.
Onwards and Upwards.

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Don't give the devil any opportunity [to work]
- Ephesians 4:27

The devil comes in many forms

analice107:
But you see what's going on nah.
Right down this thread when sukkot began

I sure did
Huh, huh, it was bait

analice107:
i refused to tow that line and continued with the discussion,
now he can not contain himself anymore he is all out calling me unprintable names

Low quality bait

analice107:
He is not my enemy, satan is. I won't reply him as he expects me to

That's it, dont eat the bait
and by all means, raise your susceptibilities
Personally, I try, being careful fighting someone else's demons,
as taking the bait, may awaken your own

Ranchhoddas:
What does it mean to downplay Jesus?

It means relegating Jesus
It means dismissing and/or not accepting the vital role(s) Jesus played, plays and play in the fight against sin
Check page 39 of this thread, to read how and what it means to downplay Jesus

Ranchhoddas:
I think for you lot, anyone who does not subscribe to the notion that Jesus is God is downplaying Jesus.
Jehovah's Witnesses for instance do not agree that Jesus is God

Not subscribing to the notion that Jesus is God, is one of the various aspects of downplaying Jesus

Ranchhoddas:
Are they in your own books?

In my books, they are entitled to their opinion

Dcholeric:
Sarrasin .
Billyonaire .
Sukkot .
Is Jesus God?

Yes, He is God.
He is a, is the Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence being

Dcholeric:
Is "the father" in the bible the ultimate God?

Yes
Do you know of any other God, who is Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence

Dcholeric:
Is the holy spirit same as the father and the son....as in the holy trinity?

The phrase "Holy trinity" is a misnomer
God, the Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence being cant be boxed up

Dcholeric:
Is there a heaven and a hell?

Yes,
both not the way you're used to or manner you understand them to be

Dcholeric:
If there is, who goes to heaven who goes to hell?

The Judge decides,
so we can't with certainty beforehand tell

Dcholeric:
What does Jesus mean by "no one cometh to the Father except through me"?

It is the truth
Meaning it is a factual information to be received without argument

Dcholeric:
How do i become more spiritual without engaging in any human rituals?

How do you mean "engaging in any human rituals"?

Dcholeric:
Can i on my own practice spirituality and be effective?

What is your definition, meaning or understanding of "spirituality"?
To what end, do you want to practice spirituality?
For what purpose, practising spirituality, do you want to be effective for?

Dcholeric:
Thanks

No, thank you

analice107:
It's time for invectives to fly everywhere, now you came out.
When a sound debate was going on, you hid. lol.

Chubhie:
Nairaland classified it. Just a wake-up call for the mods to do their duties.
How they allowed an educating thread as this to degenerate baffles me.

I dey kampe!

No, no, no no.
Not anymore analice107
Invective(s) was/were allowed to reign,
but now is time to rein in invectives

^^^
Chubhie, what did you post up there, in the content that got hidden?
Bet you've got a posting ban too

WrathOfHadez:
What motive then lies behind his deliberate misquote of scripture?

As for Sukkot, he, unlike someone well known, like sarassin, does, at least doesnt downplay Jesus Christ,
so, I dont think, he is really all, what he "posts" misconstrues him to be

So, all the more reason, to be careful, not to get overexposed
else the devil will use the mind as a garbage dump

WrathOfHadez:
The Soul?

Yes, the soul.
There is no consolation prize,
but, hey, rather that, than nothing

When dining with the devil, you got to have a long spoon
Be careful of the food served too
Look but dont touch
Touch but dont taste
Taste but dont swallow

Sarassin, anyone or anything, that tries to make Yeshua HaMashiach aka Jesus Christ appear, less important than He really is, should set off alarm bells

Ishilove:
All right folks, let's quit this. It's no longer amusing jare.
WrathofHadez, analice107, sukkot, e don do abeg.

oyb:
nope - a hectic weekend - i have been running chores round the clock
- and i still have laundry and trip to hospital and office work and prepping kids for resumption on monday
basically trying to close out as much as i can

It is said, the devil never takes a day off
but surely, the devil had taken a few days off, to sit down, and admire the dirt work on this thread

Ishilove:
A washing machine can handle laundry.

If dry cleaning isnt an option
Can we use that washing machine for this thread then

WrathOfHadez:
Murder!!!

All the hear frauds like Sukkot and the idiot you just quoted are
desperately trying to build a means of livelihood in false prophesies.

They are deliberately twisting Christian scriptures to gain customers and clients since the gullible masses will readily submit to anything that is backed by the Bible.

The hustle is real. Sukkot and co are just plain Nairaland hustlers.

And what do you benefit,
if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?
- Mark 8:36

Neither are interested filthy lucre
and so has nothing to do with desperately trying to build a means of livelihood via false prophesies.
It's about the soul, captivating and then capturing souls

sukkot:
lmao. definitely number 2 and 4 .

THE Daniel 1 vs 4, you got that mixed up.
it says the KING ordered DANIEL to teach them. not the reverse

³Then the king ordered Ashpenaz, his chief of staff,
to bring to the palace some of the young men of Judah's royal family
and other noble families, who had been brought to Babylon as captives.
⁴"Select only strong, healthy, and good-looking young men," he said.
"Make sure they are well versed in every branch of learning,
are gifted with knowledge and good judgment, and are suited to serve in the royal palace.
Train these young men in the language and literature of Babylon."
- Daniel 1:3-4

The King, by royal edict, ordered his Chief of Staff to train Daniel & Co, in the language and literature of Babylon
The KING, in Daniel 1:3-4, DID NOT order DANIEL to teach anybody

sukkot:
daniel 1 vs 14 youths in whom was no defect, who were good-looking, showing intelligence in every branch of wisdom, endowed with understanding and discerning knowledge, and who had ability for serving in the king's court; and he ordered him to teach them the literature and language of the Chaldeans.

The attendant agreed to Daniel's suggestion and tested them for ten days.
- Daniel 1:14

You're, again, misquoting, muddling up and confusing the verses for each other
Daniel 1:14, is where, whilst in training, Daniel & Co declined the Babylonian poison delicacies,
instead, suggessted fed healthier food that conforms to the laws and wishes of God

sukkot:
the number 3 ?
i checked those verses. had nothing to say he didnt desire the positions.
so i reject only number 3 and obviously number 1

It at least confirms he was conferred with it
Daniel never called himself an astrologer, He writes about himself as, "I, Daniel..."
The bible only addressed him, as Chief over all the magicians, enchanters, astrologers, and fortune-tellers, per title conferred on to him
and didnt per se say he is an astrologer

sukkot:
i am in total agreement with the bolded. finally we see eye to eye

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What of #1, #2, #3 & #4?

Sarassin:
You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to.

Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy.

Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II.
Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years?
Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you?

The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)"

You all should read your bibles properly.

When Pharaoh finally let the people go,
God did not lead them along the main road that runs through Philistine territory,
even though that was the shortest route to the Promised Land.
God said,
"If the people are faced with a battle, they might change their minds and return to Egypt."
- Exodus 13:17

³⁰Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.
³¹As for your children that you said would be taken as plunder, I will bring them in to enjoy the land you have rejected.
³²But as for you, your bodies will fall in this wilderness.
- Numbers 14:30-32

Exodus 13:17; typified the Israelites low frame of mind, it is what 400+ve years of slavery does,

and as for Numbers 14:30-32; the blundering wasnt Moses', it was the Israelites',
a generation being 40 years, it 40 years for the last person in that generation to drop dead
The adults arent allowed in the promised land, so the kids cant move in before all the adults, bar Caleb and Joshua, are all dead

analice107:
Hahahahahahahaaha. Seriously?
We have trashed Daniel sir.
It's laughable how you guys wants Daniel to be an Astrologer so badly.

Even when the scriptures are there showing clearly as Nebuchadnezzar praises the God of Daniel instead of the Astrology which he knew and practiced all his life. Solomon practiced the detestable Act yet Jehovah was with him to the end? Keep telling yourselves that sir, perhaps you will come to believe it with time.

Who crucified Jesus? His followers or Rome? So the cross is no longer the symbol of shame and death, it's now Astrology. Hahaahahahahahahahaha. what won't you people do to wriggle into Christianity?

See what you guys are doing here was what intrigued me about the character of Jesus and i wanted to know more about him.

Every Cosmology have their own version of Jesus, trying to twist and turn him.

I almost followed LobSang into New Age, (You told me he was a fraud, i can't tell),
but his teachings were so simple and reachable that he made me feel Christianity was shallow. God just delivered me from that evil.
The the things i read in those books which are in Christianity too but i didn't know then, i now know very well.

His books actually made me to want to check Jesus out and thank God i did.
All the Eastern Religions have a way of down play ing on Jesus.
You guys pushed me to Jesus, and i'm thankful i sat down to study him.
He has become so alive and present with me that I don't miss any human absence.

This remark should be inducted into this thread's Hall of Memorable Quotes
It is spot on, as it got to the heart of the thread matter

sukkot:
I would assume you understand the verses you posted ?

You assume right

sukkot:
let me give you an analogy

It better be good

sukkot:
if someone named nnamdi gets into trouble,
now he usually gets into lots of trouble but he is always bailed out and protected by a guy named chukwu.

then one day he gets into trouble and this trouble he enters this time he cant get out off.
then someone says ' nnamdi even chukwu cannot save you this time from the punishment you are about to receive.
now answer me this?

I will, with regard for context

sukkot:
is chukwu being referred to as a bad person?

On the face of it, the answer to your question is "No"
but, really, chukwu is being referred to as a bad person,
and for obvious reason(s), rightly so

sukkot:
well in this analogy Chukwu is the astrologers. thats what the verse you are quoting means

Yep, Chukwu the astrologer, going along with the sentiments formed in that verse quoted, has been a really naughty bad bwoy

Chukwu, the astrologer, letting the people down, and all the advices, the people had received have made them tired
Letting people down, same as, the astrologers who were unable to reveal to King Nebuchadnezzar what he dreamt talkess interpret the dream

All Chukwu the astrologer, is good at is, make predictions month by month,
and misfiring, which no longer causes anyone to be surprised

sukkot:
i cant for the life of me not understand why analice107 and TheUmbra have comprehension problems.
its like some people dont need to pick up the bible if they cant understand whats in it because they will go and confuse other people with their warped comprehension skills when they try to preach to others based on their failed understanding of scriptures

For the life of you, understand that analice107 and TheUmbra are communicating that:

#1) There was a royal edict ordering Daniel & Co be taught the literature (i.e. astrology inclusive) and language of the Chaldeans (i.e. Daniel 1:4)
#2) Daniel, from the very beginning, attributed his knowledge or source to be from God and not from astrology (i.e. Daniel 1:17; Daniel 2:27-28)
#3) Daniel, as Chief over all the magicians, enchanters, astrologers, and fortune-tellers,
is a title conferred on him by the king, it wasn't a title he desired or sought after (i.e. Daniel 4:9 Daniel 5:11)
#4) The bible, from OT to NT might contain astrological information and/or mentions but the information & mentions aren't a licence,
for anything up there or in the outer world, to replace the relationship that ought to be had with God
#5) If at all, then with Daniel, as a benchmark,
the knowledge of astrology must be practised by one having strong moral principles
and the quality of being honest that God, the Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence, is the source behind it all

I know Sarassin doesnt subscribe to this
but the Magi, from the East, recognized God, the Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Existing, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence,
as being good and important enough, to search out and be worshipped

TheUmbra:
Dear analice107, you must be careful what and to whom you respond to in religious section. There are many who roam this section preaching, professing and selling what they know too little about.

Others are shallow-rooted christians who thought Christianity pays like MMM. They never passed the true test of faith. They fell out almost as quickly as they got in. This section also hosts a league of religious vagrants, hawking strange ideas and doctrines. Some do it for the attention, some are just ignorant. While a few actually are willful agents of darkness on a mission to take many down with strange and persuasive messages. .

Astrology is a branch of dark sorcery. It is divination: an act of trying to predict the future outside the dictates of the HOLY SPIRIT.
Scripture has many passages condemning and forbidding divination.
One of my favourite is this found in the book of Isaiah 47: 13

You are wearied with your many counsels;
Let now the astrologers, Those who prophesy by the stars, Those who predict by the new moons,
Stand up and save you from what will come upon you

It is a different matter when one tries to use scripture as a means to draw attention to himself. It is satanic.

Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels.
Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators,
stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
- Isaiah 47:13 KJV

All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward,
those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
let them save you from what is coming upon you
- Isaiah 47:13 NIV

All the advice you receive has made you tired.
Where are all your astrologers, those stargazers who make predictions each month?
Let them stand up and save you from what the future holds.
- Isaiah 47:13 NLT

analice107:
Hahahahahahhahahaha. Your own sef no good, Jezzz.

This thread is a comedy club incognito, isn't it?
Bunch of jokers flexing and trying to outflex each others
I feel so sorry for Sarassin

The real McCoys don't front like how I have so far witnessed on this thread

analice107:
Those days are here
when Occult practitioners boldly call Christians satanists.
I never thought i'd live to see this day. But, good.
Thanks for giving me the honour of seeing it

but some of them said,
"No wonder he can cast out demons.
He gets his power from Satan,
the prince of demons."
- Luke 11:15

When the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man can force demons out of people only with the help of Beelzebul, the ruler of demons."
- Matthew 12:24

As seen from the above verses,
nobi, today, yansh don dey back now.
Wear that false accusation, like a badge of honour

narrowpathy:
I dont have the luxury of time for that

and you think, I have the luxury of time, for your whim(s)
The devil finds work for idle hands to do.

narrowpathy:
Who is the devil to you?

That's for you to find out

sukkot:
lol
no seriously, i have seen 2 people on here call you a satanist.
is there a ring of truth to it ?
pastor AIO did call you a satanist right ?
i forget the other person now.
is the church of satan paying you to keep people on nairaland in darkness ?
wwhy are you so dogged in making people see the bible as a unilateral literal text ?
who is paying you to keep people spiritually asleep and how much are they paying you?

analice107:
Yes seriously PastorAIO can call me a satanist,
why not? A sorcerer, some one who is all over nairaland looking for where they are discussing satan will call a Christian a satanist.
Yeah, why not

PastorAIO:
You know the name PastorAIO but you don't know the name my mother gave me.
The day you know that name you will know the appellation by which I am called. The pronounciation etc....

Sukkot, you don't know half of it.

The above is the response given when the question about what does PastorAIO means:
I know quite a few ID names,
for a start, know sarassin's ID name and know what the ID or name means

I know you too, know what your Nairaland ID handle or name is
but what does the PastorAIO ID name mean and do you live up to it?

Now tell, did I ask about the name his mother gave him or bring his mum in?
I couldn't give a rat's arse what name his mother gave him nor not bothered with knowing what the name is.

The simple question asked was:
What is the meaning of the PastorAIO name ID and whether or not he lives up to the name?