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Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 8:18am On Aug 27, 2017
walls01:
psalm 2:7 "I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. he said today which means there was a day he was begotten
This and its likes are Messianic Psalms.
They are prophetic pronouncements about Jesus etcetera given under the inspiration of the Spirit.
Read further below, where I touched a bit on begot

walls01:
saying servant or minister was just a statement
OK then, if you put it that way
but I seriously would appreciate, if you kindly respond to the below questions, you forgot to answer:

1/ What is God's name?
2/ What is the name of the Father?
3/ Without necessarily talking of trinity, how many to your knowledge are called God?
5/ Has Jesus, to His face, ever directly been addressed as God
or has Jesus, to His face, ever directly been called God?

walls01:
what do you mean was God a father?
"Was God a Father before He begot Jesus?" was my question,
and not just "What God a Father?"

You grab? God, was just being God.
God, for the first time and not before that, became a Father, after manifesting Himself in flesh, as Jesus
(i.e. God introduced Himself, on that day, by means of "the Holy Ghost falling on to Mary insemination" phenomenon)

walls01:
is it not clear to you what Jesus was saying if you overcome I will let you sit in my throne as I overcome and sit with my father
Of course, it is clear to me,
It's a pity, I can't vouch the same for you though. Sorry.

walls01:
can't you understand beyond your belief
What is my belief?
What is the belief?
What is the belief you don't agree with and/or can't accept
?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 11:25pm On Aug 26, 2017
walls01:
the answer to your no 4 question is yes, Jesus can be addressed as a God. from the day he was begotten he automatically qualified to be called a God because he was no longer a servant or minister but a son
Yeepa! O gbe le ooo
What is "... He was no longer a servant or minister" all about, what does that mean?
Have you a biblical reference or backing for justifying making that remark?

What about the other questions?
You think I'll forget them, or let them slide, so you can get off lightly?
You make laugh....

walls01:
let me help you further
Help yourself further first.
At this juncture, you need help more than anyone else

walls01:
Rev 3:5. I quote he that overcome the same shall be clothed in white raiment ....but I will confess his name before my father and before his angels. note he said before God and his angels not before himself. also
rev 3:21 I quote to him that overcome will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcome and am set down with my father in his throne. this verse clearly shows Jesus throne is different from God throne
You're now shifting goal post to thrones now, abi?
It's OK, nothing spoilt
but how many times do you want me to acknowledge all these, hmm?

Was God a Father before He begot Jesus?
How or with what was Mary impregnated?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Gospel Has Already Been Preached To The Whole World by MuttleyLaff: 10:35pm On Aug 26, 2017
MrPresident1:
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Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 10:26pm On Aug 26, 2017
walls01:
muttleylaff calm down
Are you finding everything overwhelming?
Is that why you're asking for a calming down?

walls01:
why are you interpreting the bible. I gave you direct verse from the Bible you are giving me interpretation. running round and hiding under questions. Jesus is the beginning of God creation Rev 3:14 he was begotten by God psalm 2:7 John 3:16 Jesus confirmed this by saying my God as in John 20:17 Rev 3:12
SMH, it is interpretation you perceive in all what's submitted?
If that perception makes you feel better, so be it.

I guess the questions are too hot for you to handle, hence why can't consider them, talkless touch

Why don't you stop whining, man up, take the questions face up and answer them one after the other, eh?

You haven't seen meh-meh yet

walls01:
Jesus called himself son of God not God the son. Jesus said the father sent me not I sent myself
SMH, if you aren't comfortable with Jesus getting addressed as God, the Son, then no problem, but there isn't anything wrong or incorrect in Jesus saying the Father sent Him, and that nor He sent Himself
because technically it is true that Jesus didn't send Himself. It is God who sent Jesus.
God came to earth in a human form via Jesus.
Jesus is God, manifested in flesh.

walls01:
brother why are you interpreting the Bible
SMH. What and how do you mean interpreting the Bible?

You wrote:
"you notice how many times Jesus referred to God and note also he will have a new name"
and I, to some length, responded along with, asking a few questions
but what you can muster back is a whinging and feeble response of "... why are you interpreting..."
Christianity Etc › Re: Oya Bible Students Help by MuttleyLaff: 7:32pm On Aug 26, 2017
miknielz:
a pastor had an armed robber as a friend. the armed robber constantly presurised the pastor to join him saying that he would become rich. the pastor always refused warning him he could get into trouble and go to hell. one day the pastor finally decided to go to the robber's house to join him. that same day the robber decided to go to the pastor's house and give his live to christ. while the both of them were on their way they died
pls who will go to heaven and who will go to hell.
i am not too sure of my answer but i think the both of them will go to hell.
bible references are welcome.
My dear children,
I am writing this to you,
so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate who pleads our case before the Father.
He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous

- 1 John 2:1

They better, both have a person, like an Advocate, who is Good and capable of putting a case on their behalf

Having said that, do you know that, some people, will reject this court-appointed lawyer to represent them, merely and just because of the fact of who He is or what He represents
They will rather face damnation, than have this court-appointed Lawyer argue their case on their behalf

Where the two will end up at and/or what the sentencing will be, is down to the Judge weighing the defence put up by the Advocate or defence put up by themselves
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
I see your belief is blinding you
On the contrary, it is you that is blind to the truth

Since you have a firmly closed mind
it will be only by the sheer grace of God and power of the Holy Spirit you will notice the light to ever see the truth of this matter

walls01:
let me help you more revelation 3:11-13
I will quote this time. I read
11-behold I come quickly; hold fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12- him that overcome will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is the new Jerusalem. which cometh down from my God and I will write upon him my new name.
13-He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches
When I earlier asked you, to define the noun; God, I bet you thought, I didn't have a valid reason for making the request.

OK now, why dont you put, your answered definition of God, into everywhere in Revelation 3:12 where God is mentioned, instead of reading or seeing God, to see the inadequacy of the definition of God you gave.

Here are a few more questions, but please don't evade answering them, like you've been doing to almost all previous ones.
I almost literally had to twist your arm behind your back before you involuntarily answered one of them

1/ What is God's name?
2/ What is the name of the Father?
3/ Without necessarily talking of trinity, how many to your knowledge are called God?
4/ Do you accept, agree and believe that Jesus is God?
5/ Has Jesus, to His face, ever directly been addressed as God
or has He to His face, ever directly been called God?

walls01:
you notice how many times Jesus referred to God
Who else were you expecting Jesus to refer to?
Were you expecting Him to refer to Amadioha, or to Sango, or to Obatala?

What else were you expecting Jesus to refer to?
Were you expecting Jesus to refer to alcohol, or to drugs or to His stomach?

Why are you surprised to notice Jesus referring to God?
I am not surprised because it makes perfect sense that Jesus refers to God

Please review and take a long time to thoroughly think over your definition and understanding of the noun; God

walls01:
and note also he will have a new name
What's wrong in God having a new name?

Are you surprised that God will be giving Himself a new name?

Is God not allowed or permitted to give Himself a new name ni?
Afterall, there will be a new heaven, a new Jerusalem, a new earth, new bodies.

It's called what's in vogue bro.
Let God treat Himself too, by calling Himself by a new name
He deserves the new name because He worked hard for it
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
I will not say impossible because nothing is impossible with God
There you are, so why are throwing up hands, insisting that God isnt Jesus then?
Why does it sound strange to you, for God, at the same time, be a Father in Heaven and be a Son on earth?

Again, I will say, and repeat, in light of the earlier provided Isaiah 9:6 given with underlined FYIs, you really ought to, at least and for a start,
be asking yourself the following questions:
#1 Why did the God, need to become, God, the Father?
#2 Why did God, need to become, God, the Son?
#3 Why did God, stick to this means and follow these protocols?

walls01:
to be on earth and heaven is not necessary
This remark sums up the reason why you've dug your heels in the ground because you don't realise that it isn't a matter of necessity but it is the reality

walls01:
that is the job of the holy spirit which he gave to all according to measures
The Holy Spirit had been involved right from the beginning.

How do you think Mary had God?

Chief, c'mon now, haba, are you really tongue in cheek seriously, suggesting that the Holy Spirit was given the task of salvation, atonement and redemption?

walls01:
you did not answer my question in Hebrews God told Jesus to sit in his right hand until he make his enemy his footstool please explain how God sit in his own right hand and how he refers to himself as though he his talking to another being
I already have answered bro, check up the thread again
and if you come back, saying you can't find it
then I don't my repeating and/or re-hashing it.

For now and/or at the moment,
you do understand, the sentiment behind
the phrase "my right hand man"?
Don't you?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
Jesus is the son of God that makes him a God, like a son of an Italian is an Italian
Jesus is the Son of God because He was begotten by God

And as many as received Jesus, to them, too, has been given the authority or power to become sons of God, even to them that believe on Jesus' name

I like your oversimplified Italian analogy,
but now indulge me,
Is this Italian, a spirit at all?
Is this Italian, able to manifest his Italian self in flesh
?

walls01:
it is wonderful chatting with you
The feeling is mutual

walls01:
I best like your great control of your emotion and you do mean did mind what you write
The control is down to grace and out of a labour of love
Control, self control, to be precise, is part of the fruit of the Spirit

walls01:
what we are arguing will not make us better or less Christian
We are not arguing brother, rather we, according to our understanding levels, are airing

walls01:
Jesus is son of God heir to all things created Hebrew 1:2
I second that and say Jesus is more

walls01:
Keep the passion for Jesus going goodbye
Ditto
You do same too until our paths cross again
when you are ready to answer:
Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be in Heaven and earth at any moment of time?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 7:58pm On Aug 25, 2017
walls01:
no, he don't need to do that he fill the heaven and earth. you misunderstood what Isaiah is saying. let me help you to understand. sit at my right hand until I make the enemy your footstool Hebrew 1:13 read it slowly God said to Jesus sit on my right hand until I make your enemy your footstool, not make my enemy
you keep saying God, the Son,
please which verse is that
?
For unto us a Child is born,
unto us a Son is given:
and the government shall be upon His shoulder:
and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.

- Isaiah 9:6

The same verse as above.
Don't you remember stylishly ignoring it
Anyways, I am now getting used to your feigning and delayed tactics

You won't find a verse with the term, God, the Son per se
however Isaiah 9:6, is where I highlighted, with emphasised underlines, showing Jesus prophesied to be born a Son,
then be respectively called mighty God and everlasting Father
Christianity Etc › Re: Dolapo Osinbajo, Bishop T.D. Jakes And Pastor Paul Adefarasin Pictured Together by MuttleyLaff: 2:05pm On Aug 25, 2017
donnie:
1st Lady:
I love watching your program Bishop. It's been a blessing to me.

Bishop:
Aww...God bless you Maam.
MY regards to the VP. Tell him the Lord is his strength.

Pastor Paul and wife (thinking):
Aww.. such a humble woman
Donnie!
Hmm, Donnie and poetic licence sha
Issorite. It is allowed
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Exist Before Abraham? by MuttleyLaff: 11:38pm On Aug 24, 2017
OLAADEGBU:
Did Jesus exist before Abraham?
What did Jesus mean when He said,
'Before Abraham was, I AM' in John 8:58?
Yes, Jesus did exist before Abraham

What Jesus did mean when He said,
'Before Abraham was, I AM' in John 8:58 is:
Before Abraham existed, I be
Before Abraham existed, I being
Before Abraham existed, I exist
Christianity Etc › Re: Video: Man Fires Sunday Adelaja Who Calls T.B. Joshua & Chris Oyakhilome Wizard by MuttleyLaff: 9:28pm On Aug 24, 2017
An2elect2:
Just say you don't like my posts and I would understand.
I'm use to this play, take care!
If you had used: poor soul, poor chap, poor guy or poor man instead of poor child,
then that sympathy defence will stand it's ground

I like your posts, I even have in the past, liked majority of some of your posts

Don't take the constructive criticism personal

I wouldn't have, if you've done same to me, more so, if you are right.
Christianity Etc › Re: Video: Man Fires Sunday Adelaja Who Calls T.B. Joshua & Chris Oyakhilome Wizard by MuttleyLaff: 9:14pm On Aug 24, 2017
An2elect2:
I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way.
It's my own way of pitying a deceived person.
When an agbalagba agbalagbi is called poor child, by an age mate or especially a younger person, that isn't pitying.

If Petra1 isn't older than you, then you both are probably age mates, so whichever case, it's hard to be convinced that, when you laughingly called him a poor child you were pitying him
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
you either do not understand or you have intentionally twisted the Bible
Obviously you haven't understood and that's what has made you incorrectly think the Bible intentionally is being twisted

walls01:
I know you don't know what begotten means, neither do you know the difference between father and son.
If it makes you feel better, be deceiving yourself there.

For unto us a Child is born,
unto us a Son is given:
and the government shall be upon His shoulder:
and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God,
The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.

- Isaiah 9:6

That Isaiah 9:6 above aside, you really ought to, at least and for a start,
be asking yourself the following questions:
#1 Why did the God, need to become, God, the Father?
#2 Why did God, need to become, God, the Son?
#3 Why did God, stick to this means and follow these protocols?

walls01:
you don't know what, I sent you is
or I send myself
Seems, you aren't used to or you aren't familiar with the term; incarnation

I'll ask you this question again that you've stylishly ignored:
Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be in Heaven and earth at any moment of time?
Christianity Etc › Re: Video: Man Fires Sunday Adelaja Who Calls T.B. Joshua & Chris Oyakhilome Wizard by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On Aug 24, 2017
petra1:
What's your proof or reason that they are false?

Secondly have you thought about the fact that you may be wrong in judging them.
And if for any reason you're wrong have you also thought about the consequence
An2elect2:
LOL poor child
Ahha, kilode?
You laughably referred a complete and full grown man, husband and daddy, body of Christ elder, a poor child?
Respect is a two way street
Christianity Etc › Re: Video: Man Fires Sunday Adelaja Who Calls T.B. Joshua & Chris Oyakhilome Wizard by MuttleyLaff: 8:29am On Aug 24, 2017
petra1:
What's your proof or reason that they are false?

Secondly have you thought about the fact that you may be wrong in judging them.
And if for any reason you're wrong have you also thought about the consequence
An2elect2:
LOL poor child
Ahha, kilode?
You referred a complete and full grown man, husband and daddy, body of Christ elder, laughably a poor child?
Respect is a two way street
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
adelee777:
Bro there is nothing you can say to convince a trinity believing guy dat has made up his mind not to follow scripture. They will always have a way of spinning it, sometimes to downright comical levels.
Josef Goebbels said 'when a lie is repeated over and over it starts sounding like the truth'. That's their case. Shalom.
Don't even go trinity there.
Have you, in any slightest manner, ever read me anywhere canvassing trinity?
There you are. I didn't think so.
Now retract your remark because lied.

God, for the fact, so far, having revealed Himself in 3 persons doesn't mean He is restricted to 3.
God can't be boxed, God is limitless.
God is ∞-persons.

God's name is YHWH, also referred to as Yahweh.
It is a self disclosing name meaning, I AM I AM
God, will be whatever, He wants to be.
God, shall be whatever, He shall be
God, is I AM THAT I AM

The clichés, naivety & surface knowledge peddled on this page and the last two-three ago are something else.
Jesus, too, once was baffled of Nicodemus, that, in John 3:10, He couldn't hold back not asking:
“You are the teacher of Israel,
and do you not know these things
?
(i.e. yet you do not understand these things?)

FYI, I live, breathe, sleep and believe in the word and Word.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 9:50pm On Aug 23, 2017
walls01:
out of my depth.
am trying to let you understand simple part of the Bible.
I told you to read Hebrew 1:1-end that will reset your thinking
If you had read, as in, really read, Hebrews, the whole chapter 1, you would have noted references to verses from the Messianic Psalms and spotted, when God, precisely became Father and/or became Son
but of course, you can't,
because you're working very hard to stay and remain ignorant to truth
Christianity Etc › Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 9:17pm On Aug 23, 2017
Jacksonville:
Good evening big bros...I'm glad to see this. The Bible didn't mention if he was healed or not. I'm not going to dispute your theology on this , but will be open to correction as I myself, I'm not above learning .
But is there any kind of leprosy that is not contagious?
If so, then so be it...
Yes, there is leprosy that isn't contagious
This is why I typed it "leprosy", in my response

Jacksonville:
May be he got healed or maybe not.
Or maybe we'll never know, but GOD knows best.
Shalom..
Your exegesis and/or hermeneutics about the matter is blameless
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
God spoke the words to create the word are you saying the word here means Jesus.
and again God said my word will not return to me void are you telling me now it means Jesus. please don't follow the lame interpretation of the scripture
SMH. You make me laugh, as I am no match for your ignorance

Please, if at all you haven't picked up anything so far, take aboard that, context is king
How you managed to not properly understand John 1:1-3 and Isaiah 55:11 is unfortunate.

Did Jesus return void, unaccomplished?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 8:26pm On Aug 23, 2017
walls01:
read psalm 110:1
Why don't paste here what Psalm 110:1 says?
I can bet my bottom dollar, you've misunderstood it

walls01:
God cannot sit in his own right hand
The earlier Stephen explanation I gave, understandably, went over your head

walls01:
saying God sent himself is the worst thing I have heard about Trinity
The truth, always, will set you free, but first it will piss you off

walls01:
Jesus said the father sent me, you said he sent himself.
The Bible say, son of God, you said, God the son
What Jesus said and what I said are true.
What the Bible says and what I said, also is true

walls01:
please leave the original words of the Bible don't give unbelievers room to ridicule the bible
I haven't even posted anything on this thread yet, about the original words of the Bible.
You don't even know what the original words of the bible are, because if you do, you wouldn't in the manner you did, be referring me to Psalms 110.1

Unbelievers ridiculing the bible is the least of your concerns because any that does, do it at their own peril
I understandably know, you're out of your depth.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
you have greatly misunderstood the scripture. with all the words of Jesus you can't understand.
Immanuel means God with us, not God on earth
1In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God

2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made;
without him nothing was made that has been made.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us
- John 1:1-3; 14

Oookaaay, so now in light of John 1:1-3 and 14 above, are you insisting and saying God wasn't on earth?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 7:33pm On Aug 23, 2017
walls01:
you have twisted the scriptures.
Jesus said am the son of God, you interpreted it as God the son, he said the father sent me you said he sent himself.
he said the father you said he means the same as the son.
the scripture has been perverted by altering the words to suit our belief.
what you wrote up here is why there are different denominations
Behold, the virgin shall be with child,
and shall bring forth a son,
And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us

- Matthew 1:23

Walls01, who is the baby in Matthew 1:23 above, whose name is interpreted as "God with us"?
In what form was that and the God with us?
Christianity Etc › Re: The 12 Karma's Law That Will Change Your Mind. by MuttleyLaff: 6:09pm On Aug 23, 2017
sarcasticwhyte:
that why you keep saying may we get what we want
but not what we deserve
Karma has everyone's address,
sometimes that, what you deserve, is better than that, what you want or hope to get
Christianity Etc › Re: The 12 Karma's Law That Will Change Your Mind. by MuttleyLaff: 5:45pm On Aug 23, 2017
sarcasticwhyte:
Dont forget folks karma...
Karma has no menu.
You get served what you deserve.
Christianity Etc › Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff:
Jacksonville:
Good evening dear muehonyx22.

Prior to your question, I'm compelled to answer this but not too well, as I myself is also learning.

Kings is one of my favourite books of the Bible. concerning affliction n healing Gehazi the servant of Elisha the prophet.
As you read in 2kings 5 :27 , He was cursed with leprosy and those days, when a prophet speaks a thing , it's done. Gehazi was afflicted because of his greed.

Now, if you read further. There was famine in the land and there was an impending war with the Syrians. The Syrians were cowardly but tactical. They decided to camp at the gates of the city of samaria so hunger n starvation would weaken the soldiers n people of Israel , so they can be easily slain. But as long as the lord liveth, there was a prophet to deliver his people(2 kings 7:1)

in 2kings 7:6 .The diliverance came after the word . The Lord chased away the thousands of Syrian army from d gates leaving behind lots of food in store which could feed the whole city of Samaria. In verse 3 of 7, Shows that there were 4 leprous men at the gates and they made a decision to proceed to the camp of the Syrians because they had food.

They said to themselves ''If we stay here (at d gates), we die, if we go there(the Syrian camp), we die also, so of what use we stay? If they spare us, we shall live n vice versa''..

By revelation, Gehazi was among. It was a divine arrangement by God. He is a God of second chance. The lepers at the gate of the camp saw these massive supplies of food and gold and silver. They would have just kept it to themselves and become rich. In verse 8 of chapt7 ,they began to hide n keep the riches for themselves.

But in verse 9, Gehazi remembered he was afflicted for greed. Even the other lepers were judged by their conscience and they knew calamity would befall them if they kept all the riches and supplies to themselves and let their people starve So they had to be selfless and so they reported to the city what they witnessed at the camp of Syrian army and it got to the king's hearing .

As u read in 2kings 8 :4 You could see Gehazi speaking with the king in his domain as he reminisces about the LORD's doing with the prophet Elisha, his master to the king. In those times, it's never allowed to bring a leprous person to the kings palace or his presence wheresoever.

In summary, God healed Gehazi from this act of selflessness.
But it's not clearly detailed in the bible
...
Jacksonville nailed it
but someone else, like maybe Adelee777,
would read this and blurt out that,
Jacksonville has put a spin on, to answer muehonyx22's Gehazi "leprosy" problem question.

Jacksonville:
Pls, if there are contribution to this, let it come so we all learn...

Shalom..
No need for further contributions, as I doubt any more contributions, can improve on what you've contributed
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
adelee777:
Wow!!!
You guys just keep on inventing one fable or the other to try and justify your funny doctrines
Is saying wow, now the new fashion in town because it seems to be catching on.

I'll tell you what is funny, your claim, that guys are inventing fables, when not a single animal has yet been mentioned.
That is hilarious.

adelee777:
Did Jehovah God ever called anybody 'my God' in the bible?
Why can't you stick to one thing and grasp it first before jumping on to another.
You've now brought Yahweh, also known as Jehovah in to the fray
but if asked to explain Yahweh, you'll get stumped

FYI (i.e. For Your Information) Yahweh is God and Yahweh on record, does say, He is God.

adelee777:
You don't need to answer that as I'm tired of your spins. Thanx.
I wasn't really going to because I realise that you're used to scooping petroleum off the earth surfaces, used to plucking pearls off the ocean waves and used to picking up diamonds and charcoals off the streets.

Soft work has turned to hard work or labour, and that's enough for me to begin lose interest
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 6:32am On Aug 23, 2017
adelee777:
God is used to differentiate the Almighty from other superhuman beings termed gods
If your life depended on it, is this how you will, without holding back, define God?
What a sloppy attempt and insufficient definition.

So, the noun, god, is just used for superhuman beings only, hmm?

Evidently, you haven't thought well enough over and/or about what God and god means

adelee777:
God is omnipotent,
but dat is not an excuse to attribute to Him what He didn't do
What excuse are you talking of?
What didn't He do, that you are trying to say, is being attributed to Him?
Was God not simultaneously and concurrently in Heaven and earth?

adelee777:
Christ means 'the chosen One' or 'the anointed One'. Did Christ anoint Himself? Not according to the bible
No, Christ, otherwise called Messiah, who is Jesus, and who is God the Son, didn't anoint Himself
because according to the bible, God, the Son was anointed by God, the Father

adelee777:
By the way, Christ called God 'my God' in Rev 3 when He was in Heaven
He who overcomes,
I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God,

and he will not go out from it anymore;
and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name

- Revelation 3:12

Of course, He did.
Revelation 3:12 precisely is where He said, He will make overcomers pillars in the Temple of His God
What name or word were you expecting Jesus Christ to refer to and/or mention in Revelation 3:12?
Isn't it God you were/are expecting?
Or were you expecting Jesus, to make overcomers, pillars in the temple of Obatala or the temple of alcohol, or the temple of stomach or in the temple of drugs?

adelee777:
Stephen saw Christ on the right hand of GOD. Figure dat out
You really don't grasp the meaning of that Stephen vision.

Stephen, seeing Christ, on the right hand side of God, means, seeing Jesus Christ, God, the Son, helping and supporting God, the Father, the most, seeing Him, especially at the work God has set out to do.

Jesus, helped God the most, that is why Stephen saw Jesus on the right hand side of God.

Your inadequate definition of God and god, is the reason behind your inability to understand and so not able to figure this and others out
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 6:32am On Aug 23, 2017
walls01:
God sent himself wow!
You sound surprised
If you want something done right
or want it be done, in a very certain or particular way,
then it becomes necessary and best for you, to do it yourself

So that's what God did.
God DIY, by sending Himself.
God, became God, the Father, as well as He became God, the Son
God, a Spirit, came down to earth, embodied in flesh (i.e. human being body) in the person of Jesus Christ, God, the Son

God, the Father and God, the Son, are one

walls01:
Jesus was very clear he do nothing by himself and he follow instructions from God. 1 John 4:14 should clear your doubt
Of course, it clearly is God now.

Or who do you think is the driving force behind Jesus? Who motivates Jesus? Who influences Jesus? Who is Jesus always yielding to? Who sent Jesus?

Please tell now.
Or is it Obatala? Is it alcohol? Is it the stomach? Is it drugs?

walls01:
Jesus said God sent I and he speak not his words but what the father told him. also remember in the cross how he cried to God. read slowly and carefully
Think about when God became God, the Father and also became God, the Son

Also who or what are you expecting Jesus to cry to, if not God.

walls01:
in the cross Jesus cried to God how can you explain this
I have explained this, if not somewhere above, then it'll be in the reply to adelee777

walls01:
when Jesus was with Elijah and Moses during the transfiguration God spoke from heaven saying this is my son in whom am well pleased. what can you say about this
Correction,
God, in His capacity, as God, the Father, spoke from heaven, saying this is my Son, in Whom, Am well pleased with

walls01:
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remember during the transfiguration when God spoke from heaven? what is your say about this
Same as the last answer above
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff:
walls01:
read your bible slowly and carefully.
Jesus said as the father sent me so I do you. please explain the meaning
The meaning is, that, just as God sent Himself, so does He send you.

walls01:
you are not following.
the argument is if Jesus is same as God i.e one being
There is no argument whatsover and none anywhere for that matter, as regards to, whether or not Jesus is the same as God (i.e. one being) especially if you agree and accept that it is possible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be in heaven and on earth at any particular point in time
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 6:32pm On Aug 22, 2017
adelee777:
So where did Nicodemvs accept that Christ was God? because in my bible he only said 'Rabbi, we know You are a teacher from GOD, for no man can do these works that you do except God be with him'
What you've quoted or paraphrased above there, is Nicodemus' John 3:2 perplexed, threading softly breaking-the-ice opening statement

adelee777:
How did you spin that to mean he accepted Him as God?
Do people scoop petroleum off the surface of the earth?
Do people scoop pearls floating on water waves?
Do people pick up diamonds or charcoal off the ground?

The spin facts speak for themselves in John 19:39-42,
but verse 39b is where the tell tale sign is.

adelee777:
One question:
if Christ were God, why did He call God 'my God'?
This is an awesome question that I would only answer you, based on 3 conditions.
Which are that, you, first would have to, without holding back, exhaustively define the nouns; God and god, for me

Also, since you've mentioned & used the word; Christ, to please, fully define what Christ is and/or means?

Lastly, do you agree and accept that, it is not impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be in Heaven and Earth at any moment in time?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Essential Doctrines For All Christians To Believe by MuttleyLaff: 5:02pm On Aug 22, 2017
adelee777:
We never read Jesus deny that He was a wine bibber either Matt 11:19. So according your logic it means He was a drunk? He was about to be stoned by people who were looking for any excuse to get rid of Him. Check the time they took Him to Pilate. Did He deny any of their accusations? Did it mean He affirmed them by His silence. Bottom line, you can't use that logic.
They replied,
"We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy!
You, a mere man, claim to be God

- John 10:33

The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say,
'Look, a glutton and a drunk,
a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Absolved from every act of sin, is wisdom justified by its works.”

- Matthew 11:19

John 10:33 and Matthew 11:19 are reproduced above for the benefit of any not familiar with the verses' contents

In John 10:33, we see clearly Jesus being accused by the Jews of claiming to be God,
Whereas, in Matthew 11:19, we see clearly the Jews, here, taking it upon themselves to actually claim that Jesus is a glutton and drunkard

Accusations, like saying, He claimed to be God, He is the Messiah etcetera, is different from getting called names, like being called a glutton, drunkard etcetera

John 10:33 is accusation
whilst Matthew 11:16 is ad hominem

Wisdom (i.e. good decision or correct conclusion) is vindicated by works or action
What works or actions showed Jesus, as God and what actions or works showed or would qualify Jesus to be a glutton and drunkard?

The answer to the former, is that there are loads of works/actions signifying that Jesus is God
but there are diddly-squat nothing that proves(d) Jesus is a glutton, drunkard or any other negative adjective label for that matter anyone can think of.

Jesus, among his caucus or inner circle, on many occasions confirmed claims He is God.

Nicodemus, who came in the middle of the night, left, being able to draw in the lines and eventually accept that Jesus is God, from the slight rebuke and dots Jesus gave him.

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