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Sarassin:
Ok, but what is the underlying spiritual aim? What do you intend to do with the experience, are you seeking the experience for its own sake? That alone is enough to limit your ability. You must have clarity, a destination or a goal in mind as to why you are practising, do you take any precautions? What would you do if you popped out and your first encounter was with an elemental entity?

asuustrike2009:
The scripture I gave you is the answer to it all.
I know were you're coming so I purposely quoted that scripture.
Talking about sinning in the future, why should I when same scripture say we should attain perfection

Goshen360:
How do you know where I'm coming from or going?
No, you don't until I make my point to you and the audience.

2. Do I take the second paragraph as ANSWER THAT you will not or cannot comit sin tomorrow or in the future?

Finally and I guess readers and audience are seeing your dishonest ways of NOT answering the questions.
please answer the questions and I clearly make my point and get out of here,
I do have much time like that to play or beat around the bush.

JMAN05:
No. The one that appeared to Moses came on Jehovah's name.
He bore the name as if he was Jah himself.
Besides Moses was not requesting the name of God. He already knows it.

It appears you have nothing more.
Let's end it then

PastorAIO:
I have plenty more, the question is whether or not you can handle it.
If the angel that appeared to Moses came in Jehovah's name then by what name did the one who came to Jacob come by.
Was he a renegade angel?
Moses was not asking god's name cos 'he already knows it', you say.
You also say Jacob was not asking god's name 'he already knows it', he was asking the angel's name.
Maybe Moses too was just asking the angel's name, abi?

walls01:
originators of strange doctrines

walls01:
read what you explain again this time slowly

walls01:
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God...
- Revelation 3:12a

you are letting your belief affect your understanding of the bible.
Rev 3:12 Jesus said he that overcome I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.
I don't know how you will misquote this as you are known for but clearly this is not God talking

walls01:
⁶Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain,
standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders.
The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
⁷He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne
- Revelation 5:6-7

if you read Rev 5:6-7 it shows Jesus the Lamb taking a scroll our of God hand,
clearly this is not your double God

analice107:
You have made no sense. OH dear, I'm not in the mood to take you on this ride across Scriptures.

Bro Muttleylaff pls help this brother here once more.

walls01:
you are letting your belief affect your understanding of the bible.
Rev 3:12 Jesus said he that overcome I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.
I don't know how you will misquote this as you are known for but clearly this is not God talking

walls01:
if you read Rev 5:6-7 it shows Jesus the Lamb taking a scroll our of God hand, clearly this is not your double God

adetayo234:
Hit your head against the nearest wall to reset your brain,
then read your comment again; this time around, you will find your answer

walls01:
you are interpreting a clear word.
Jesus said the father sent me, he also said I overcome and sit with my father.
and God told Jesus sit in my right hand until I make your enemy your foot stool.
I wonder how you guys turn bible upside down.

o I forgot to add just as God sent himself.

analice107:
Why are you jumping right over the scriptures he has been posting to you?
And, why do you pretend as tho you don't see the questions he has been asking you?

Try answering those questions let's see how you'd get off.

walls01:
you really clearly don't understand the Bible. you and I are made in the image of God.
I bet you do not understand the meaning of first born as in chapter 15. and 13 he said dear son.
and 19 it reads it pleased the father that in him should all fullness dwell. in 19 it is clear God gave Jesus special privileges.

walls01:
you don't understand my point,
Jesus said my father sent me you said he sent himself.
now which verse are you quoting or which Bible version are you using?

walls01:
and by this you think it means God sent himself?

analice107:
and, pls add this;

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder:
and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
Isaiah:9:6

Chubhie:
zenlife, if you are still alive and well, kindly confirm if the haggling took place publicly.

walls01:
you said God sent himself which means Jesus is God then that automatically means Jesus sent himself

walls01:
this words are irrelevant to what you are quoting

walls01:
which version of the Bible are you misquoting?
philippians 6: form of God means he was a spirit. 9: God exalted him not God exalted himself.

walls01:
you don't even understand the bible.
anyway am still waiting for the verse you quoted.
Jesus said the father sent me you said Jesus sent himself. originators of strange doctrine

walls01:
I am quoting you or you forgot you wrote that?

Sarassin:
Babalawos, this is the most appalling post I have ever had directed against my person on Nairaland. Let me be clear I am neither Zenlife nor Iditaboy,
I have no other monikers on Nairaland and on the evidence of the nonsense of these pages, I will soon have none

Sarassin:
I have never had any issues with you to my knowledge,
I posted a comment on a thread of yours a couple of days ago where I asked for a method on something or the other to do with dreams, you replied me and I left the thread,
I addressed you courteously as I try to do with all fellow posters on these pages,
other posters asked me to elucidate on the topic, out of respect for you, I declined.
That has been the extent of my interaction with you on NL

Sarassin:
I logged on this site today to find a most malicious tirade directed against my person by yourself totally unprovoked and unjustified, I take these extremely seriously.
You maintain that I, using an alternate moniker have stalked you,
what is the basis of such an egregious claim?
you claim that I asked you for a divinatory consultation and could not afford the paltry fee you charge.
I am not sure which of these accusations is the more ludicrous,
whether it is that I, a classically trained sorcerer will seek out a traditionalist
or whether it was that of your fees, of which the lowest value coins lolling about on my desk here will pay several times over!

Sarassin:
Look sir, I am not in competition with you,
I do not know you,
we do not share the same sphere,
we do not even reside on the same continent,
your tirade towards me betrays a deep seated issue,
how is it that you can arbitrarily and peremptorily decide to launch such an assault against me without foundation?
what exactly is your problem with me?

Sarassin:
You should face your accusers and leave me out of your tawdry affairs.
You ought to have carried out a divination to ascertain matters before deciding to poke me in the eyes.

Sarassin:
you have made a grave error.
You are a practitioner, you know the rules, an apology is in order,
I have right of way, and I shall not ask thrice

Babalawos:
Accept my apologies,
I was very angry by false accusations of Zenlife. You are a practitioner,
you of all people should know anger doesnt allow the spirits to get through for divination.
So, I couldnt divine before posting because I was angry.
I dont take false accusations lightly

Babalawos:
I have offered my free spiritual services like free divination, free dream interpretations, free occult teachings... etc to members of this forum.

I never asked anyone for money on Sex Magick Thread.
Then, why is Zenlife falsly accusing me of fraud on Sex Magick Thread when he was never my client in the first place,
he could not afford my divination fee of 2,500 naira?

I have offered several IFA and other forms of divination privately for free for those that have manners but certaining not for Zenlife;
he lacks manners and yet he cant afford 2,500 naira but pours his frustrations, anger, hatred... etc on my threads.
Am I the one that made him poor? Or am I the cause of his frustrations in life?

Dont forget, you attacked me on my thread some couple of days ago
h t tp://www.nairaland.com/4084293/reincarnation-proof-how-remember-past

And this new attack coming up here again on Sex Magick Thread.
It is human to think you have alternate accounts

Babalawos:
I will leave you alone and face Zenlife, Iditaboy and others.
Thanks for your time

JMAN05:
The situation in that verse is different.

1. Israelites were not under any captivity

2. Jacob already knew Gods name. See verse 9. He wrestling was with an angel obviously. So he was asking the Angel's name. He already knows Gods name.

The issue was not about the name which they know. Am not sure I do understand the point you are making here.

The article was about the meaning of the word Ehyah. That word was drawn from hayah. So how did you arrive at your present past tenses?

Where did you see "I am becoming"?

You are mistaken. Ehyah is not the Hebrew equivalent of ego eimi. Egoo eimi are two different words while Ehyah is one word. It is drawn from hayah meaning become.

They aren't the same words, so your linking them together is not correct.

Don't being in unnecessary objection to this thread.

PastorAIO:
Please address the parts that I bolded and highlighted in red. They are the basis of this interpretation and they are all obviously speculations.

Really? What about when Jacob asked the very same question?

29 Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.”
But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him.
Genesis 32
What were the circumstances of Israel when Jacob asked that same question?
What about the fact that in those ancient times to know the name of a god was considered as having the power to summon the god?

PastorAIO:
Now the Majesty of Ra was the creator of heaven and earth, of gods, men, and cattle, of fire, and the breath of life; and he ruled over gods and men. And Isis saw his might, the might that reached over heaven and earth, before which all gods and men bowed; and she longed in her heart for that power, that thereby she should be greater than the gods and have dominion over men.

There was but one way to obtain that power. By the knowledge of his own name did Ra rule, and none but himself knew that secret name. Whosoever could learn the secret, to that one—god or man—would belong the dominion over all the world, and even Ra himself must be in subjection. Jealously did Ra guard his secret, and kept it ever in his breast, lest it should be taken from him, and his power diminished.
h t tp://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ael/ael13.htm
A true name is a name of a thing or being that expresses, or is somehow identical to, its true nature.
The notion that language, or some specific sacred language, refers to things by their true names has been central to philosophical study as well as various traditions of magic, religious invocation and mysticism (mantras) since antiquity.
The ancient Jews considered God's true name so potent that its invocation conferred upon the speaker tremendous power over His creations

PastorAIO:
To prevent abuse of this power, as well as to avoid blasphemy, the name of God was always taboo, and increasingly disused so that by the time of Jesus their High Priest was supposedly the only individual who spoke it aloud
— and then only in the Holy of Holies upon the Day of Atonement.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

These are facts about the attitude of ancient people to names.
Even in yoruba till this day they believe that if you can know the true Oriki of an object you will access all the powers inherent in the objects.
These names form the incantations which are used to prepare herbs and various objects for various uses.

PastorAIO:
Now if the people of Israel already knew the name 'Jehovah'
and Moses was told to tell them that 'jehovah' sent him
then what a nonsense to say that Elohim or Adonai 'would not have meant much to them'.
It wouldn't have meant anymore or anyless than Jehovah which they knew a long time already

PastorAIO:
Yet in all this you haven't demonstrated how Jehovah changed after he revealed his name to Moses.
What did he do thereafter that he hadn't done before.
Did he kill more people than he killed in the flood?
Did he confuse the languages of the Whole world tenfold?
Did he make a barren woman have children, like Sarah?

PastorAIO:
What exactly did he do that reflects the name Jehovah that He hadn't done before?

PastorAIO:
Now, on the name Jehovah, your write up now demonstrates a willingness to go against the entirety of Theology just to wriggle out of this tight spot.
You have now resorted to making God a temporal Creature.
Subject to time like everything else. you changed 'I Am' to 'I am becoming'.
Either the writer is theologically and philosophically daft or he is just trying to be disingenuous

PastorAIO:
Talkng about the relation of the verb Ehyer to Hayah.
These are just tenses.
They are related the same way Running is related to Ran, or Will Run.
Past tense, present tense, future tense, Present continuous.... etc.

PastorAIO:
That is not the idea that the name represents to Jews, certainly not to Jesus.
To become means that you are evolving.
You become what you were not yesterday.
I become great means that I wasn't great before.
Becoming occurs in time/temporally so in order for Jehovah to become he has to be subject to Time.
This idea transcends the Hebrew language and can be translated into other languages
(so there is no hiding behind any fake hebrew ha'yah, which is actually the past tense)

PastorAIO:
In fact it is translated to Greek in the New Testament.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am
- John 8:58

'I am' in Greek is Ego Eimi. Jesus did not say before Abraham I am becoming.
The idea is that he transcends time, this is Jesus' understanding of the name of God but then if you feel you know more than Jesus in this matter I cannot hold you.

PastorAIO:
The question was simple.
What did He do as Yahweh that was Greater than what he did as El Shaddai?

PastorAIO:
Ah! You don't know!! no wahala

PastorAIO:
Lolololol!! Alawada Oshi!!

PastorAIO:
From simple I am that I am you are now extrapolating to I will have to be whatever is necessary for me to have to be.

PastorAIO:
You have now reduced your god to something that is subject to necessity.
http://metaphysicist.com/problems/necessity/
Of course, I recognised that to be true for a long time now
and that is why I know that that egregore that you worship is not the true Divinity

Dcholeric:
Who or what is the define God?
I will appreciate if you give me a robust information on this.

Dcholeric:
recently I found out that I have been having obe for quite a long time since I was 16 or there about. ( because of my hard core christian foundation I always thought some evil forces were trying to get me)
until I started to find out what the purpose of life is and who God really is ( I somehow stumble on your thread).
I got more enlightened by your thread but I wasn't satisfy with your answers on "who is God ?",
"is Jesus the son of God?" "and is the holy spirit the spirit of God?"
( although I have come to conclude that I will continue believing in Jesus and the holy spirit)

Dcholeric:
I recently read some articles on astra projection (since you never really explained it, I had to go through a lot of research on net). I have been on this research for long and I found out why it seems I was always choking and like my spirit is trying to leave me frequently in many nights. so I did some practice with the new level of my awareness. In two occasions now I no more feel the choking stuff and I have been able to see around my room. in fact I saw my right feet floating and my left am floating I imaging a ladder to help me separate myself but I was rather too exited that I ignore the ladder and decided to hold my floating leg with my floating hand just to be sure I was not dreaming(I use to be very afraid without the knowledge of AP).but before I could do anything else I got back to reality. the second time I couldn't imaging the ladder but I rolled to the one side of my bed but I immediately found myself right back to my former position again with my arm and leg floating.
I was not afraid but I struggled to separate the rest of my body again but this time I couldn't move any part of my body it was like something very powerful was holding me to paralysis. I got angry and was angrily saying to whatever I felt was holding me down "you self leave me na"
and after some struggle I became frustrated and a little bit scared and so I prayed in Jesus name trying to free myself from the paralysis but I woke in real life.

the reason I was having interest in AP was to get answers to lot of questions on my mind about spirituality and purpose of life and you said it is not necessary for one to hurt others when it comes to this form of spiritual practice
(infact you advised against it, thereby giving me more interest to venture into it).
how come you are now talking of sorcery, magic and pin hurting people?
people like us who are eager to sacrifice for the truth deserve to be told the truth about things

Sarassin:
I am sorry that you found my explanation of God inadequate, I think it is a tall order asking for anyone to explain that to you what I did was give you my understanding. I do not quite remember exactly what I wrote to you but I am sure that somewhere in there I would have written that God is an experience. You have to experience the Divine for yourself.
That said, I am happy that you continue to believe in Jesus and the Holy Spirit, it is important that you are comfortable with your beliefs.

Sarassin:
Coming from an Inclusivist that you are, I am not surprised by this remark One of them has to be the real McCoy Sarassin,
convincingly define God and god please,
Exhaustively and to the best of your understanding do this for me please

Sarassin:
I am happy to do so and indeed have done so in the past but I think we have deviated from the topic of the thread.

MuttleyLaff:
It's your point of view,
your perspective, your posturing (i.e. behave in a way that is intended to impress), I am interested in and not necessarily others
I wasn't intending to set up a Jankara mall or market place thread

As I've said, your definition of the nouns, God and god, is of the most interest to me

Religions are the least of my concern
Talking of religion, you know, as well as I do, what true and pure religion is anyway, so anyone believing in anything else (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Buddism, Hinduism, Penterascalism/Pentecostalism etcetera) parading itself otherwise are just kidding themselves

Sarassin:
In that case I would say simply;

In relation to mankind I see God as the Divine sentience, a universal presence, progenitor of ever-present change and unitary of opposites.
I see gods or more specifically, what I term fundamental deities as the various attributes or emanations of the Divine presence.

Dcholeric:
which is the first reason I don't fully trust Christians who just come to tell me to believe everything they preach without concrete explanation on procedures and happenings.
I would like you to help me out with why I couldn't separate myself even though I sincerely wanted to and why you now associate sorcery, magic and pin hurting/ hurting people part with AP.
THANKS

PastorAIO:
I don't need references. I asked a question which was two fold.
1. What great acts did Yahweh do that he didn't do the like of before moses.
What did he do in Egypt that was greater than flooding the whole world with water?
What did he do that was greater than confounding the language of the whole world.
What did he do that was more than making a geriatric woman bear a child?
What did he do that was greater than destroying two great cities with a fire from heaven?

PastorAIO:
2. How did the acts subsequent to meeting Moses reflect the meaning of his name 'I Am who I am'?

JMAN05:
Flooding the whole earth was Abraham Isaac and Jacob there when it happened?
Were they there when languages were scattered?
An old woman bear a child was not a miracle Isaac and Jacob saw.

Again all those performances were little compared to what God did in the view of many Israelites

JMAN05:
I don't know what u are up against honestly.

Image123:
Can money make someone go to hell?

Image123:
If you believe in Jesus, and have the love of money or serve it, are you going to hell?

analice107:
It is Lust for the things we need to do with money that makes us do anything to make the money, hence sin. The root is lust.

What he is saying is this, Accepting Christ into our lives gives us a new nature. That nature helps us overcome lust and every other sinful act. But a rejection of Christ leaves you dead and susceptible to all the satanic radicals.

What ultimately takes us to hellfire is indeed a rejection of Christ, because it is with the new nature he gives we can access his kingdom.

ColdSun:
There are masculine and feminine trousers. A feminine trouser won't fit a man properly without adjustments and vice versa. So the best advice is for women to stick to trousers designed for them.

Image123:
What is wrong with females wearing masculine trousers?

analice107:
And that Deut. talks about male apparels.
when that law was given no one wore trousers. Jesus Christ never wore trousers.
They all wore garments but you could tell the males garments from the females. Who came up with this trouser issue in the Bible sef?

ColdSun:
I can't remember the particular passage but the bible says a man should not wear a woman's cloth and vice versa.

Image123:
Good. So, it is wrong for a woman to wear masculine trousers?

PastorAIO:
Please address the parts that I bolded and highlighted in red.
They are the basis of this interpretation and they are all obviously speculations.

Really? What about when Jacob asked the very same question?

29 Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him.
Genesis 32

What were the circumstances of Israel when Jacob asked that same question? What about the fact that in those ancient times to know the name of a god was considered as having the power to summon the god?

Now the Majesty of Ra was the creator of heaven and earth, of gods, men, and cattle, of fire, and the breath of life; and he ruled over gods and men. And Isis saw his might, the might that reached over heaven and earth, before which all gods and men bowed; and she longed in her heart for that power, that thereby she should be greater than the gods and have dominion over men.

There was but one way to obtain that power. By the knowledge of his own name did Ra rule, and none but himself knew that secret name. Whosoever could learn the secret, to that one—god or man—would belong the dominion over all the world, and even Ra himself must be in subjection. Jealously did Ra guard his secret, and kept it ever in his breast, lest it should be taken from him, and his power diminished.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ael/ael13.htm


A true name is a name of a thing or being that expresses, or is somehow identical to, its true nature. The notion that language, or some specific sacred language, refers to things by their true names has been central to philosophical study as well as various traditions of magic, religious invocation and mysticism (mantras) since antiquity.
The ancient Jews considered God's true name so potent that its invocation conferred upon the speaker tremendous power over His creations. To prevent abuse of this power, as well as to avoid blasphemy, the name of God was always taboo, and increasingly disused so that by the time of Jesus their High Priest was supposedly the only individual who spoke it aloud — and then only in the Holy of Holies upon the Day of Atonement.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_name

These are facts about the attitude of ancient people to names. Even in yoruba till this day they believe that if you can know the true Oriki of an object you will access all the powers inherent in the objects. These names form the incantations which are used to prepare herbs and various objects for various uses.

Now if the people of Israel already knew the name 'Jehovah' and Moses was told to tell them that 'jehovah' sent him then what a nonsense to say that Elohim or Adonai 'would not have meant much to them'. It wouldn't have meant anymore or anyless than Jehovah which they knew a long time already.


Yet in all this you haven't demonstrated how Jehovah changed after he revealed his name to Moses. What did he do thereafter that he hadn't done before. Did he kill more people than he killed in the flood? Did he confuse the languages of the Whole world tenfold? Did he make a barren woman have children, like Sarah? What exactly did he do that reflects the name Jehovah that he hadn't done before?


Now, on the name Jehovah, your write up now demonstrates a willingness to go against the entirety of Theology just to wriggle out of this tight spot.
You have now resorted to making God a temporal Creature. Subject to time like everything else. you changed 'I Am' to 'I am becoming'. Either the writer is theologically and philosophically daft or he is just trying to be disingenuous. Talkng about the relation of the verb Ehyer to Hayah. These are just tenses. They are related the same way Running is related to Ran, or Will Run. Past tense, present tense, future tense, Present continuous.... etc.

That is not the idea that the name represents to Jews, certainly not to Jesus. To become means that you are evolving. You become what you were not yesterday. I become great means that I wasn't great before.
Becoming occurs in time/temporally so in order for Jehovah to become he has to be subject to Time.
This idea transcends the Hebrew language and can be translated into other languages ( so there is no hiding behind any fake hebrew ha'yah, which is actually the past tense ). In fact it is translated to Greek in the New Testament.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 8:58

'I am' in Greek is Ego Eimi. Jesus did not say before Abraham I am becoming. The idea is that he transcends time, this is Jesus' understanding of the name of God but then if you feel you know more than Jesus in this matter I cannot hold you.
The joke inside is that some people like Muttleylaff who isn't even a JW will jump on the bandwagon
because he thinks that it is a way out of the cesspit that he has dug himself into.

Sarassin:
If you had petitioned an angel and your petition gained the consent of the angel
any one of those signs occurring spontaneously within seven days of your written petition would be a sign of consent.
At any other time it is just what it is.

Sarassin:
There are no tricks here,
I maintain that your view of the Angelic choir is informed by your biblical background only

Sarassin:
and this is why you insist that angel’s granting petitions must be corrupt messengers

Sarassin:
It is not what I think, it is what I know.
Yes, you can summon an angel if you know what you are doing

Sarassin:
It is a different matter entirely if the angel in question responds to you.
Angels are aspects of the Divine, granting petitions in your favour if it is in your best interest is well within the remit of the Throne angels or even the Angelic choir.
For instance we invoke or ‘summon’ Archangel Michael to grant us protection when needed, it is within his remit.

Sarassin:
The circumstances for petitioning are outlined in the thread.
Angels have their responsibilities

Sarassin:
You can petition an angel who has responsibility over an issue that concerns you,
I gave the example of Michael for protection and also Raphael for health matters.
You may petition an angel every day of the week if you desire,
it does not mean the angel will respond to your every whim

Sarassin:
Why do you consider petitioning an angel as going around Elohim if an angel is merely carrying out its responsibilities?
The fact that you are not aware of its responsibilities does not negate them.

Sarassin:
@bolded. I do not wish to discuss other methods at this time

Sarassin:
Hahaha very funny!

Sarassin:
This idea of yours that somehow established protocols are being circumvented by petitioning angels is anachronistic

Sarassin:
Of course one can petition Elohim too

Sarassin:
but since as you mentioned, Qabalah teachings are fanciful then I shall refrain from tickling your ribs any further.

Sarassin:
Apology accepted

Sarassin:
You are wrong, as usuual

Sarassin:
Raphael may signify his consent by a bird entering your home or nesting near your house or garden.
The gift of a bird, a gift or the sudden blooming of yellow flowers, the sudden appearance of a weed
(especially in a wall, roof, or between building blocks),
a dream of monkeys or hearing a story about them,
a plague of flies or any gift ornamented with a design incorporating birds, monkeys, or flies, are signs of Raphael's consent.

To receive visitors unexpectedly; to experience an increase in your incoming mail, to make a surprise journey, or to see quick, darting lights;
the gift of a mirror or the accidental breaking of one— any of these omens, appearing within the seven days, are a sign of the Archangel Raphael's acquiescence to your petition.

The symbols of Raphael to be hand drawn in the grid as shown in the fig attached are the sign of Gemini the Twins;
the sign of Virgo, the symbol of the planet Mercury and Raphael's personal sign, a bird's head

Sarassin:
Your bolded comments are patently untrue

Sarassin:
The limitations of your religion are all too evident here

Sarassin:
whereas Angels transcend any and all religions and are messengers of the Divine
you seem to seek to shrink fit what Angels can or cannot do to fit within the remit of your religion,
understandably but incredibly narrow-minded in my view

Sarassin:
Just to be clear, NONE of the Archangels or Angels whose invocatory process I have described in this thread are fallen angels,
their names and attributes are clearly expressed,
they are not Goetia demons or whatever else you are trying to superimpose on what I posted.

Sarassin:
Nobody said angels take commands from people, the word I used was petition… one seeks their grace and favour.

Sarassin:
People have angelic encounters in different ways, it is Divine Grace.
Encounters are different from petitioning, I encounter angels in different ways

Sarassin:
however when I petition an Angel it is for specificity, there is a clear difference

Sarassin:
Invoking an Angel or Archangel through a petition is just one method and there are others.

Sarassin:
Even though you dismissively refer to petitioning as “shenanigans” the practice of invoking angels predates Christianity,
it is a teaching of High Qabalah, teachings without which Christianity cannot even begin to infer the existence of the Angels let alone how to contact them

Sarassin:
It is perfectly acceptable for you to state that invoking Archangels is not Christian practice,
I am less concerned about that, obviously I am not teaching Christian practice

Sarassin:
you made an error in suggesting that I was promulgating the invocation of “Fallen Angels”
and that is simply untrue

walls01:
just as I send myself

walls01:
where in the Bible are you quoting?

Ranchhoddas:
@last paragraph...
Is it possible to encounter Angels/Archangels without petitioning them in the manner described?

Sarassin:
Angels very rarely interfere in our lives unless we have asked them to
but they do have subtle ways of making their presence known. There are other methods of entreating the angels too.
You develop a relationship with an angel and they will (if they choose to do so) manifest in ways that you can recognise them.
If one has inner vision they can be seen as they are.

My personal experience is that whenever I travel to another country, an angel makes its presence known to me through somebody out of the blue simply offering me assistance, it could be something as innocuous as help with a bag, or as happened fairly recently, I arrived at a regional airport in heavy rainfall and someone handed me an umbrella just like that, smiled and walked off. The problem of course was that strange guys offering me assistance was a bit unnerving so I entreated the angel, saying please send me pretty women instead of these scary looking buggers! Big mistake, strange gorgeous women giving me stuff and doing things for me in foreign countries does not go down well if you're with the family!

costandi:
This isn't his mother!

donnie:
Something is wrong. That doesn't look like Pastor Chris' mum, facially.
Also, his mum is hardly ever that dramatic. Always exhibits poise.

The man of God probably just favored some old lady as his custom is.

petra1:
You're right . That's not his mum . Well he treat every elderly as dad and mum anyway