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cold:
As usual,the denial continues from god's foot soldiers. Your god must be proud.
I'm sure you disigenuously missed the part where he instructed that the whole town be put together
and torched as a burnt offering to the lord your god..deep sigh

Mr Cold, I dont have to "reinvent the wheel"
as I am sure you read GJames' response to your post

What you posted were all about prophecy, desecration of pagan shrines, judgements for capital offences, judgements for doing things that leads to death penalties etc

God nowhere in what you posted, asked for a human burning offering or human sacrifice.

The human sacrifice that God wants, is us to do die to self.

italo:
I see where the problem is.

We are following what Jesus and his apostles/Church taught and practised...including translations...

Little do we know that many of those aren't correct/necessary.

You're the chief teacher/interpreter of Christianity.

You correct even Jesus' teaching.

The sarcasms in this post of yours doesn't change the truths brother.

italo:
So Jesus taught the apostles to baptize with water

Jesus at one time allowed the apostles to carry out water baptisms, He however, personally never water baptised anyone

italo:
but he never told them to stop it, that it wasn't necessary.

He did, like for example, in Mark 16:14-16
but you do know what John the Baptist relating to all this, said in Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16 and Mark 1:8 respectively

italo:
He left the job for you

He left whatever labour of love work there is, for all of us

GJames:
Mr Cold. I have gone through the passages you provided. They all talk about God giving instructions to men that they may carry-out capital punishments on people deserving death either through burning or by the sword and not human sacrifice

That's why I quoted it for posterity to see

johnydon22:
thats all . . no more indulging you to exchange more words.

Thats your exit strategy
I warned you to stick to the thread but as you change the rules as you go along or as it suits you, this is no surprise
Go lick your woundjuries and bruised ego, just dont let me hear "fer" from you whilst you're doing that
I've put your peppered cat-o'-nine-tails "atori" whip in the attic

cold:
Sigh..like johnydon22 said,why do you all just love to lie to yourselves?
And to think the bible categorically stated that lying is one of the greatest sins. See how you've all elevated the skill of lying to a fine art.
Ok let me jog your memory a bit in case you all are just amnesic or deliberately dishonest.
These are just few of the verses i can remember where god personally requested for burnt offerings as a sacrifice unto himself.
It is not exhaustive by any means. I believe there are a dozen other verses if i dig even deeper.

Please be aware this includes the full story of Jephtah. Just so there is no ambiguity in any quarter.

[size=5pt]Judges 11:29-40

29 Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon.30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto theLord, and I cannot go back.36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

1 Kings 13:1-2
King James Version (KJV)
13 And, behold, there came a man of God out of Judah by the word of the Lord unto Bethel: and Jeroboam stood by the altar to burn incense.

2 And he cried against the altar in the word of the Lord, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the Lord; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee.

2 Kings 23:20-25
King James Version (KJV)
20 And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars, and burned men's bones upon them, and returned to Jerusalem.

Leviticus 27:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 “‘But nothing that a person owns and devotes[a] to the Lord—whether a human being or an animal or family land—may be sold or redeemed; everything so devoted is most holy to the Lord.
29 None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed; but shall surely be put to death.

Fuel for fire
As for you, son of man, prophesy: Thus says the Lord GOD against the Ammonites and their insults: A sword, a sword is drawn for slaughter, burnished to consume and to flash lightning, because you planned with false visions and lying divinations to lay it on the necks of depraved and wicked men whose day has come when their crimes are at an end. Return it to its sheath! In the place where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB

God Commands Burning Humans
[The Lord speaking] "The one who has stolen what was set apart for destruction[b] will himself be burned with fire, along with everything he has[/b], for he has broken the covenant of the LORD and has done a horrible thing in Israel." (Joshua 7:15 NLT)

Burn Nonbelievers

"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)[/size]

The above is DOA and non sequitur.
Why and how you had the effrontery to paste the above here is a baffling mystery that only you know

To start with, the thread is about Jephthah allegedly killing his daughter, as a sacrifice to God, by means of human burnt offering
and I am yet to read from all yours above where "God personally requested for burnt offerings as a sacrifice unto himself"
Not even an iota of God REQUESTING for human burnt offering, like you claimed and boasted of having ample evidences or verses of Him asking for it.

johnydon22:
hahahahaha it is quite a pity when someone confines a pronoun to the primary school pronoun we learnt in elementary school. . take a look at this, Muttleylaff doesnt know It is a pronoun that can be used as third person singular pronoun. . .

Boy now go and read and stop this disgraceful show please i beg you

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/it

there is nothing more i need add to this.

SMH, when you are done bamboozling yourself and ready to move on just let me know
Please can you stop spreading your ignorance, because just like with this Jephthah matter, you know jack-nothing about English

If you dont know and werent taught "gender-specific pronouns" how can you possibly understand and correctly use a "third person singular pronouns"
He doesnt even understand the contents in the web link he posted. SMH

There are lessons galore, more coming your way, you have meet your Waterloo and you'll surely get your comeuppance in the end

johnydon22:
Dude seriously? when jephthah made the promise he had nothing in mind and surely didnt even know his daughter would be the one. .

Dude seriously, you've just hit the nail, right there, on its head
Of course, that's what the Bible says, that's what I am saying, that's what everyone says and sees except you buddy :-)

johnydon22:
Am sure you passed your english in school to know the pronoun IT can be used to connote a subject previously mentioned.

Listen, English, grammar and punctuation classes haven't started yet.
You better go grab your O'levels English textbooks, as I am very sure, soon as events unravel and roll on, you'll be needing them.

johnydon22:
Jephthah said whatsoever surely this doesnt say anybody it means anything. . cat, dog, cow, slave, human...whatsoever .... then it it will be the lord's and offered as burnt offering. . .

Jephthah knows that God does not and would not accept a human burnt offering or sacrifice.
Jephthah even if he tried, would NEVER be able to offer a human burnt offering to God, daughter or no daughter

For the fact that he said whatsoever without qualifying it with and/or whomsoever is instructive enough

Maybe I should start referring you as "IT" from now going forward

johnydon22:
is this english not clear enough for any sane person to see that the pronoun it in the statement connotes the word whatsoever . .

I overlooked your subtle vituperate.
Just rein in your emotions and next time stick to the topic or post and not the person

johnydon22:
And for someone who passed english to not know It as a pronoun can also refer to human is quite very pitiable.
e.g: Who broke the lamp..? ans: It was John……

Dont be silly going on about "someone who passed english to not know".
The English classes for you has just prematurely started.
I am sorry for who paid your English classes. Money wasted, money down the drain.

A pronoun is a word that takes the place of a noun ((I, me, he, she, herself, you, it, that, they, each, few, many, who, whoever, whose, someone, everybody, etc)
Watch the nouns and pronouns in the following sentence
Tarzan saw Jane, and he waved at her
Were you not taught gender-specific pronouns at all?

johnydon22:
i think surely you will be awarded a medal for bible twisting boy with blatant deception, you really earned

Who is your boy, prat.
My friend, you are front runner in my 2015 Prat of The Year Award
You need your mouth washed out and those slimy fingers you're typing with wiped clean before posting
You should only ever be allowed to post here when it is safe for you to do so
and write within your limited capability, knowledge and micro size gumption

johnydon22:
hahahahahaha and thats basically one promise. . .

No, if you dont forget the "AND" it's not basically one promise

johnydon22:
that thing shall be the lords and i will offer IT (that thing) as a burnt offering. . . can it be any clearer than this?? or you still want to apply more deceptions?

Am so pleased that you took a bit to my warning
I am happy you spotted "it" and even went to the length and trouble of printing it in uppercases and bold. Welldone!

I guess I have less to worry about, as I now have, minute details short one, to post about.

johnydon22:
Any body christian or muslim reading this am sure can tell us how the bolded words becomes seperate independent statements

Any body christian or muslim reading this am sure can tell us that "it" refers to an object like an animal and that persons are usually referred to by "he", "she", "him", "her", "them" etc

Tjayjosh:
False.
She was taken to shiloh. There she served at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 1sa 2:22.

johnydon22:
Ok using something as burnt offering means sending it to shiloh to serve at the tent... **Face palm**

Time-out's over
but going forward, please PEEL your eyes wide open and slowly but carefully read whatever I post now and afterwards

This is honouring johnydon22's "show us the verses where he made the two vow..." request .

Judges 11:31
Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon,
shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

italo:
Interesting.

Got a bit of your attention there, have I?

italo:
So are you saying that Peter and all the others who baptized with water were getting it wrong...Yet Jesus or no one else corrected them.

No, I am not saying such, I had never said such nor anything close or like that.
Why would Jesus correct when He hasnt died and resurrected yet, when He isnt yet in glory?
Why are you expecting that?

italo:
You know better than Jesus and all the apostles, then.

Nope, I dont but I know about the baptism with the Holy Spirit and with fire in Luke 3:16

Luke 3:15-16
¹⁵Everyone was expecting the Messiah to come soon, and they were eager to know whether John might be the Messiah.
¹⁶John answered their questions by saying, “I baptize you with water;
but someone is coming soon who is greater than I am
—so much greater that I’m not even worthy to be his slave and untie the straps of his sandals.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire

italo:
Then all things written in the Bible could be wrong and are subject to your ratification.

Whatever is written in the Bible is not wrong. I cant vouch same for the translations though.
An example, is your favourite "Matthew 28:19"
where insertions or additions to the original text were made, to end up with what we presently have as "Matthew 28:19"

italo:
Please explain the bold. I'd like to know where they were instructed to "water baptize."

Seems you forgot to add or put "initially" in between "they were" and "instructed to "water baptise""
They were initially instructed to baptise with water just as John the Baptist was doing in

John 3:22
²²Then Jesus and his disciples left Jerusalem and went into the Judean countryside. Jesus spent some time with them there, baptizing people
²³At this time John the Baptist was baptizing at Aenon, near Salim, because there was plenty of water there;
and people kept coming to him for baptism.
²⁴(This was before John was thrown into prison.)
²⁵A debate broke out between John’s disciples and a certain Jew over ceremonial cleansing.
²⁶So John’s disciples came to him and said,
“Rabbi, the man you met on the other side of the Jordan River, the one you identified as the Messiah, is also baptizing people.
And everybody is going to him instead of coming to us.”
²⁷John replied, “No one can receive anything unless God gives it from heaven.
²⁸You yourselves know how plainly I told you, ‘I am not the Messiah. I am only here to prepare the way for him.’
²⁹It is the bridegroom who marries the bride, and the best man is simply glad to stand with him and hear his vows.
Therefore, I am filled with joy at his success.
³⁰He must become greater and greater, and I must become less and less.
³¹“He has come from above and is greater than anyone else. We are of the earth, and we speak of earthly things, but he has come from heaven and is greater than anyone else

John 4:1
¹Jesus knew the Pharisees had heard that he was baptizing and making more disciples than John
²(though Jesus himself didn’t baptize them—his disciples did).

italo:
Bros. You keep beating around the bush.

My guy, instead of dishing up mouthfuls that can make some gag with a throw up closely behind,
sometimes it's safe and better this way, handing out bits & bite snacks to nibble on

italo:
Why did all the apostles baptize with water? Where did they learn it from that they had to do so?

It is difficult to break an old habit, that is why
They learned it from Jesus before He died and resurrected

italo:
You keep give all sorts of flimsy excuses.

The person who is truly sincere about knowing the truth finds it, the other finds and sees excuses.

italo:
"Peter used discretion" "Philip didn't want to force-feed" "Eunuch was a babe" "Eunuch was a babe and more"

Yes, toned down to suit your palate.
I dont want to over-tantalize your taste buds

OLAADEGBU:
As long as you are not licking lager.

I do take the occasional pint or two now and then

OLAADEGBU:
Quit the potation. Where did I insert words into the text?

In your original post
KILL in your original post is nowhere found in 2 Kings 2:23-24

OLAADEGBU:
Don't tell me you're temulent.

I am only but only the Ephesians 5:18 type

OLAADEGBU:
How was the loaded question inserted into the text you quoted here?

I think I am beginning to understand how or why you open up threads
Maybe if you had done your KILL like this "kill", others will know what you are on to

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha you simply dont know how to argue. .
please i dont use personal words when arguing
so lets just stick to the thread so as not to childishly drag it into unrelated personal word exchanges like you are trying hard to do...
I dont do that..

Watch your tongue and take some lessons on how to construct your posts with manners, you cheeky young upstart

johnydon22:
so back to the matter

I agree am an amateur, now prof kindly show us the verses please please please

Good that you're beginning to know your place and worth but I'll let you squirm a bit more before I do

italo:
Matt28:19

Ouch! No!! Tell me you didnt go for Matt 28:19
I knew you'll rise to that bait and go for Matt 28:19
but prayed and hope you would have the sense not to

italo:
No. He wasn't commanded to.

I didnt think he was commanded to either but was wondering why Jesus didnt command him to "invocation of the Holy Trinity".
He did afterall commanded John to get on with it when John was hesistating water baptising Jesus

italo:
Did you not see where I showed how 3000 people could easily have been baptized with water in 2mins?

I did see it italo,
I stand to be corrected your sprinkling format is how RCC does theirs
but most churches, if not all, like in pentecostals, practice water immersion and particularly triune water baptism

italo:
You still didn't answer my question:

Which baptism did the people I mentioned get?

Water, word or Spirit baptism?

It is always the word or spirit baptism italo, without the word or spirit of God no one can enter the Kingdom

This whole thing, is like already winning a 100m dash race and later waiting or later given a medal for a race already or previously won
It's just an outward exercise, no one can take the fact and truth away that one won the race
The medal, whether gold, sliver or bronze is just an outward symbol or appearance that shows as evidence for something earlier won
It's all wash, a ceremony, a ritual, a rite, an award podium ceremony.

johnydon22:
show us the verses where he made the two vow...

Wouldnt you like to know

johnydon22:
n.b- dont bring other verses from other bible books, just the two verses from judges 11 where he made the two vows

Just shows you're an amateur
It's only one verse, who needs other verses from other bible books when only one verse will do.

You look uncomfortable and squirmed in front of your screen reading that

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha ok no be quarrel, don't get worked up over biblical fables.

So Jephthah fulfilled his vow of burnt offering with a seminary kind of vow?

Yes

italo:
What meaningless banter!

You're ahead of me in that area,
you do a better work with meaningless banter than me

italo:
You suggested that the Eunuch demanded water baptism because he was only a babe in christ.

That and more italo

italo:
Peter's audience in Acts 10:47 already had what you call 'true baptism' yet Peter was the one that brought up the idea that he had to baptize them with water, not the people.

Ah-ha! There you are. Yes! Very true, Peter brought it up first.
Peter used his discretion to offer it to them without them instigate first.

italo:
So was Peter also a babe in Christ? If not, what is your reason for his demanding it./quote]No, Peter also was not a babe in Christ then but the receipients or audience were.
I have given the reason immediately up there above this

[quote author=italo post=34957301]From where did he get this teaching?

He got his get this teaching same place from where he initially refused to eat with a Gentile

italo:
Where are the "other places" that They learnt to baptize with water?

Baba Ijebu, you really want to get your money's worth. Try John the Baptist and Jesus before resurrection for starters

I know the Apostles were initially instructed to water baptise, but not necessarily "baptise with water" after Jesus resurrected italo.
You'll be amazed to know that one gets baptised with other things apart from literal water

emrain:
KJV judges.

11:38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.
11:39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his VOW which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel.

Now my question is what was the vow? Human suya or seminary school?

Two vows were made by Jephthah
None of them were Human suya or seminary school
but if being lenient, maybe in a kind of non-technical way, "seminary school" was one of the two vows.

johnydon22:
Seriously am sure i never argued whether god was interested in the sacrifice or not, whether it desires human sacrifice or not. . That was not the argument.

You make up rules, as you go along or when it suits you
You did earlier tried to bring "The Sacrifice of Jesus" as another example of human sacrifice and mockingly as on a more celebrated scale

johnydon22:
It was whether Jephthah sacrifice his daughter or not of which the story shows he did.

The verses do not show Jephthah sacrificed or had any intention of sacrificing his daughter but you in a warped state of mind do

johnydon22:
There is no need bringing in whether god want the sacrifice or not because the bible never said if he accepted it or not in the story..
so thats not the topic of the thread or my business.

The bible never said if He accepted it or not in the story because God has emphatically said He is not remotely interested in human burnt offering

Deuteronomy 18:9-10
⁹“When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, be very careful not to imitate the detestable customs of the nations living there.
¹⁰For example, never sacrifice your son or daughter as a burnt offering
And do not let your people practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft,

johnydon22:
The clear thing was; Jephthah use her as a burnt offering...True or false?

False

italo:
I don't know whether it was immersion or sprinkling that the 3000 were baptized but I know it was with Physical water with the invocation of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

How do you say the 3000, St. Paul, Lydia's family, the Jailer's family were baptized? By Spirit, water or word?

I don't know the place.

But I know that, by sprinkling, it could take as low as 5 seconds to baptize one person.
Going by that, the 12 apostles could have baptized 250 persons each, which would make the whole exercise last only 20mins.
Very feasible...regardless of time of the day.
If all 120 believers joined them in baptizing, it would take only 2mins.

Baptism with water, (whether sprinkling, pouring or immersion) with the invocation of the Holy Trinity, as in the days of the apostles.

I honestly do feel like giving you a bear hug italo.
I just love your forthright honesty and admire your unashamed naivety

Where is or which verse did you find this Trinitarian formula from?
and are you sure of the authenticity of this verse compared with the original text?

Did John the Baptist perform this your " invocation of the Holy Trinity" version for Jesus too?

italo:
Now please answer me questions...including the bold.

Now, here is me answering any questions you have for me ...including and starting with the bold.

On the day of pentecost that 3000 were baptised, where, which place and how was this done?
This was for my benefit, as I am trying to gauge or find out:
#1. how much you know about Jerusalem, its topograph, especially in relation to water(s)
#2. what yours and the accepted general view is on the format used and how the water baptism was done or carried out

Considering the time of day, how long did it take to baptise each of those 3000?
This is the thing italo, baptism is not an exclusive word for water baptism.
There is baptism of Fire, people get immersed in their studies or book, people get immersed in hobbies etc

OK, I know most churches, if not all, practise triune baptism
but you earlier suggested just "the invocation of the Holy Trinity" as carried out by the Apostles
doing baptism with water, either as water sprinkling, water pouring or immersion in water.

italo please note, that Acts 2:41 verse is silent on "water baptism", as it only said they were "baptised"

Acts 2:41
Those who believed what Peter said were baptized and added to the church that day--about 3,000 in all.

Say for discussion sake, that immersion in water was used, wow this will be an all day affair, possibly spilling to the next day, dont you think

"Considering the time of day, how long did it take to baptise each of those 3000?" was a "SMOKE OUT" question.
Used to force someone out of a place, in order to reveal something

italo:
This your excuse is too lame. That Philip only baptized the Eunuch because he didn't want to force-feed a babe the true baptism.

Peter's audience in Acts 10:47 already had what you call 'true baptism' yet Peter was the one that brought up the idea that he had to baptize them with water, not the people.

Was Peter also a babe in Christ?

From where did he get this teaching?

Where are the "other places" that They learnt to baptize with water?

Manufacture more lame excuses.

SMH at your "Was Peter also a babe in Christ?"
Must have been some italo cross reading or reading comprehension thing going on there

italo just answer those questions or just let the matter rest,
as you dont really want to bring the Eunuch into this
or ask for the reason why this Eunuch was so bent and insisting of performing this external ritual or rite
because if you do, I might breathe down heavily on you
and drag you, screaming down heavier truth paths, you dont necessarily want to tread, about the Eunuch,
or at least not for now, heavier truths about the Eunuch you dont want to hear or know.

italo:
To be born again is to be born of water and Spirit which is baptism.
That is why Jesus and his apostles went and baptized immediately after the teaching.
That is why Philip baptized the Eunuch.
That is why the apostles baptized entire households based on the faith of the parents.


Nowhere does the Bible say the Bold.

You, Syncan et al, keep making references to the Apostles and about their water baptisms
and I have, asked all several questions that stay unanswered,
so I'll repeat a few here again, thereby giving you, Syncan et al another opportunity to address them:

How were all those baptisms carried?
Were they full baptism as in full immersion in physical water or not?
How were each or individual physical water baptisms carried out by the Apostles done?
On the day of pentecost that 3000 were baptised, where, which place and how was this done?
Considering the time of day, how long did it take to baptise each of those 3000?

Final question, in this current dispensation, what is the present format or mode of carrying out and doing water baptism?
What form of physical water baptism do you subscribe to?

italo:
Where did Philip get the teaching that he had to baptize the Eunuch with water, if not John 3:5?

https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
Look at you asking "where did Philip get the teaching that he had to baptize the Eunuch with water, if not John 3:5"

Of course it was from John 3:5 and other places
but recognise the Eunuch, at that point in time, was a babe in Christ, you surely dont expect Philip to force feed this new and enthusiastic convert with:
"Erm, you know Mr Eunuch, it's not phyical and literal water, but the water actually is the baptism or immersion with the word of God"

Philip went along at the level the Eunuch was and obliged the Eunuch's request for the physical rite

OLAADEGBU:
[size=18pt]Are we saved by faith or water baptism? (Suggested answer):[/size]

There is much debate within Christianity as to whether or not baptism is necessary for salvation.
I cannot here exhaustively examine this issue, but I can affirm that baptism is not necessary for salvation.

The scriptures teach that justification is by faith (Rom. 5:1).
It also teaches that baptism is a necessary result of becoming a disciple of Christ (Matt. 28:18-19).

Even 1 Peter 3:21 above says that the baptism mentioned is not one dealing with water, but an appeal to God.

If you don't understand covenant you cannot understand, in totality, the issue of baptism because baptism is a covenant sign.
Covenant signs do not save. The things they represent are what save.

Baptism is not a requirement of salvation, but it is so closely tied to it that some people erringly think it is the actual thing that saves.
It isn't. Faith in Christ is what saves.

https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/luke-john-acts/are-we-saved-faith-or-baptism

I feel like giving you a bear hug

My position has always being that, since "God is a Spirit", He seeks worshippers "in Spirit and in Truth",
and where the heart is given to God in such way,
any sort of external rites or Pharisaic superstition, whether physical circumcision, physical water baptism etc can never be important

Though some of these things make up the costumes of an ancient dispensation and present church, it shouldnt really bother a glorious person living in an enlightened and spiritual Christian dispensation

italo:
John 7:38 is not necessarily physical water.

Thank you! That will do me

italo:
John 3:5 is physical water,

Hmm, here we go again

italo:
otherwise where did Philip get the teaching that he had to baptize the Eunuch with physical water?

OK, I'll have a bit of, another go, at this, because Philip, a Jew, was proselytising a Gentile, the Eunuch.

italo:
Secondly, where was hydatos ever translated as "word" or "spirit?"

Countless places, case in point is that John 7:38, you admitted up there, to not necessarily being physical water

OLAADEGBU:
As if you know the difference between killing and murdering.

Let that rest. You cant teach granma how to suck eggs

OLAADEGBU:
And you did not notice this before you jumped to conclusion which is the only exercise some folks get to do nowadays.

At the expense of accuracy, it is an irresponsible and incorrigible behavior to insert texts or words (e.g. KILL) not found in 2 Kings 2:23-24 for sensationalism sake.

Why did God kill 42 lads merely for saying Elisha was bald?

"Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!" When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number" (2 Kings 2:23-24)

Why would God allow two bears to kill 42 young lads simply for saying Elisha was bald?

Syncan:
Oga, the fact that Jesus took bread at the last supper and say "this is my body" does not mean any time you see bread you call it Jesus body. Most times bread is simply bread.

I dont have any gripes where water is physical water
I have continually made known my concern is only and only is about verses like John 3:5 and John 7:38 where water there is not literal or physical water
Just for the record, are you saying John 3:5 and John 7:38 is physical and literal water?

Syncan:
Those passages I posted are showing what the apostles understood and practiced as Jn3:15.
They took water to be water. Meanwhile this is what you said below:

So? Have you got a problem with what I wrote?
Did something or all parts of it rattled your theology?
If any, what worried you in what I wrote?
What would you have the apostles say or do here:
https://www.nairaland.com/2383797/saved-faith-water-baptism/3#34882532

Syncan:
Now do you mind telling me when or what year/era water baptism became obsolete, since the apostles knew and practised only water baptism as recorded in scripture.

Syncan we are grown ups.
I have very crucial and deciding questions posed to you go unanswered
I asked if you're familiar with John 7:37-39 (i.e. particularly the instructive & revealing bit in verse 39) & also left you two translations, still nada
and here you are asking "do you mind telling me when or what year/era water baptism became obsolete"

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha another bout of ad hominems and no addressing of the post. . . Lmao. . Ok

You can laugh as hard as you like.
I've asked you "Do you know why he tore his clothes" but unsurprisedly no reply from you
You miscontrue truths about you for ad hominems
Instead of dangling about on a "The Sacrifice of Jesus",
if you can just stick and focus on the Jephthah subject that bothers you, we might have a chance of sorting out all your oblivious about it

Throw all your shots, but just make sure dont go up the creek with me without a paddle

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha really, so who is telling the truth now.. The biblical story or your assumptive assertions?
Clearly he never intended to sacrifice his daughter and that was why he tore his clothes in dismay when she greeted him.

Do you know why he tore his clothes

johnydon22:
The story was very clear.. He promised to use as a Burnt Offering Who ever greeted him first and then in verse 39 he did as he promised...

Steady on johnydon22. Dont go up a creek without a paddle

johnydon22:
it is a very clear and straight story, throwing in your assumptions changes nothing from it.

What is very clear and a straight story is your absolute gobsmacking ignorance

johnydon22:
Am sure i didn't make the assertion or wrote the story the bible did. .

What the bible wrote is very clear, how you're going about maligning it, is the story of your life

johnydon22:
And oh again another example of human sacrifice on a more celebrated scale is The Sacrifice of Jesus

Oh, have we switched from human burning offering to human sacrifice now.
If God wants to lay down His life Himself, who has a problem with that?
That's all you have "The Sacrifice of Jesus".
Take that away from you, watch your case collapse, as you're spiritually myopic to discern that the bible is litterred with human sacrifices

johnydon22:
Did Jephthah use his daughter as a burnt offering (just exactly as the story asserted) or not.?

that was the question. . .

Capital N O.
Jephthah DID NOT use his daughter as a burnt offering
Human burnt offering is an anathema to God
Jephthah knows this
and so never was he planning or had any intention of offering God a human burnt offering

Besides burnt offering always had to do with animals, never had anything to do with human

Jeremiah 7:31
They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire
--something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.

johnydon22:
Am sure the bible didn't mention if god accepted the sacrifice or not after it was made.

You are right to be sure the bible didn't mention if god accepted the sacrifice
This is because it is a nonstory as no human burnt offering was made

By the way this is a JJC johnydon22-just-come late participation
as this Jephthah controversy has been flogged enough times and long time laid to rest on nairaland
Quite a few have been amused watching johnydon22 unchallengedly waving the Jephthah flag all these few past months

Wonder why some are still tearing hairs out and getting hard-ons over it

Syncan:
Its indeed the height of insincerity, Jesus said water and spirit, the apostles understood it as water and spirit, the early Christians understood it to be water and spirit, but end time "evangelist" Barnabaseloka and muttleyLaff acting out 2pet.3:15 now sees "Word of God" where others had seen water. Baptism by word indeed.

Syncan steady on!
What have I to gain with lying, be insincere or dishonest?

Let's do this the bite-size way
What is another word for baptise and baptism?
Are baptise and baptism exclusively used in relation to water and for water only?
Can one be baptised with anything else than water?
Can one have a baptism of anything else than water?
What kind of water is Jesus referring to in John 7:38?
Syncan are you familiar with John 7:37-39 (i.e. particularly the instructive and revealing bit in verse 39)

I have reproduced two translations below of John 7:37-39, for you

Jesus Promises Living Water
³⁷On the last day, the climax of the festival, Jesus stood and shouted to the crowds, “Anyone who is thirsty may come to me!
³⁸Anyone who believes in me may come and drink! For the Scriptures declare, ‘Rivers of living water will flow from his heart.’”
³⁹(When he said “living water,” he was speaking of the Spirit, who would be given to everyone believing in him. But the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet entered into his glory.)

Living Water
³⁷Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, "If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
³⁸"He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"
³⁹But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.