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menesheh:
There exists weird ideals in all religious believes too and also pretty much funny too.
I didn't notice any explicit different between the two in your comment.

https://s30.postimg.org/l0jndfhbl/Cults.png
Religious beliefs have and/or share common weird and funny ideals
It is when one deviates from what's the norm to the crazy, bizarre, stewpid, odd, eccentric, strange, brainwashed, do-not-question-me etc
that it becomes or turns into a cult

You dont have to strain eyes to see or notice the "No Entry" sign on the cult member's brain

menesheh:
Is there a difference between a religious believe and a cult since it is all about believing a particular sect of ideology and believing system.

https://s9.postimg.org/ldault557/cult.jpg
The difference between a religious belief and a cult is the observed or noticeable strong deviants
(e.g. the funny or weird behaviour(s) displayed or practised when compared with other similar religious beliefs)

btoks:
Some of the verses you quoted will apply to adults who can definitely make that profession of faith.
You have however missed out a number of other verses:

Paul in Col. 2:11–12 in effect states that baptism has replaced circumcision. We know that circumcision was done for babies in the OT in anticipation of being raised in a Jewish famly. Would he have used the word ‘circumcision’ that was mainly linked to babies if he thought baptism wasn’t for babies? ( I do know some adults were circumcised). Baptism also then applies to babies in anticipation of being raised in a christian family. See Lydia in Acts 16:15 who was baptised with her household, read further to v33 where the jailer and his family were baptised.
Also note that Jesus comments about children in Matt 19:13-14

The best way to understand early christiantiny is by looking at how it was practised in the first few centuries. See these writings from some early church fathers:

Irenaeus in AD 189 -"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus in AD 215
"Baptize first the children, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The Apostolic Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Augustine in AD 400 - "What the universal Church holds, not as instituted by councils but as something always held, is most correctly believed to have been handed down by apostolic authority. Since others respond for children, so that the celebration of the sacrament may be complete for them, it is certainly availing to them for their consecration, because they themselves are not able to respond" (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 4:24:31 [A.D. 400]).

^^^The Final Position of St. Augustine on Baptism
Read about his ducking and diving here: http://www.romancatholicism.org/augustine-final.html

Matthew 3:11
"I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God.
But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am--so much greater that I'm not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

OLAADEGBU:
Are we saved by faith or by water baptism?

https://s8.postimg.org/tktl1ubqd/heaven.jpg
You'll be surprised of seeing many,
without physical or literal water baptism,
being found in the Kingdom of God.

Kei144:
...Is it whatever your pastor says, or whatever any person calls...
Once again, I tell you that Jesus alone is my reference, and not any pastor, neither any doctrine...
https://www.nairaland.com/2352063/enter-kingdom-god-now#34519061

If like me, Jesus is your Pastor.
If like me, Jesus alone, really is your reference and not any pastor, neither any doctrine, THEN kindly please:
#1 show us in any of the Gospel accounts, where Jesus commanded physical or literal water baptism in order to be saved
#2 show us where Jesus ever, by doctrine or otherwise, publicly or personally told anyone to be baptized with physical or literal water
#2b show us where Jesus recommended or directly advised ritual washings with physical water or literal water for purification
(i.e. baptism a la John the Baptist)
#3 tell us how many people to your knowledge Jesus baptised with physical or literal water
#4 tell us how many people to your knowledge Paul baptised with physical or literal water and why not more than that number
#5 expound the poetic device in John 3:5

PS: Just saw esere826's up there. Welldone!
(i.e. particularly impressed of the "we are saved by both faith and baptism (not water baptism)" and
"are baptised (immersive knowledge and oneness) into the Father, Son and Spirit" bits among other parts)

ROSSIKE:
Don't say ''Why did God''. Say ''Why did the Bible God'' or 'Christian God'. There is no evidence that God did any of the things claimed in the bible. So stop deceiving people by claiming God.

Which is why I asked him questions like the below
Does God "kill" or is it a case of God allows death prevail?
Or a case of the latter where, God gives one up to the whims of death or the grim reaper.
Not talking of soul but talking about the body

Do you seriously or really believe God kills or God murders?
If yes, how does He kill, how does He murder?

Doesnt he think they (i.e. people) bring death upon themselves or God allows death to creep up on people

OLAADEGBU:
Why did God kill 42 lads merely for saying Elisha was bald?

"Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!" When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number" (2 Kings 2:23-24)

Why would God allow two bears to kill 42 young lads simply for saying Elisha was bald?

You know am on to the disparity in your post - "Why did God kill..." and "Why would God allow two bears to kill..."
Who is actually is doing the killing here? God or the bears?. Make up your mind

Can you kindly also show where you found "kill" in 2 Kings 2:23-24?
Or is "kill" something you inserted into 2 Kings 2:23-24?
Or you using a little poetic licence to embellish a good tale by adding the "kill" extra detail, that is untrue.

OLAADEGBU:
Amen!
I still insist that it was God that killed the 42 lads not Elisha.

Does God "kill" or is it a case of God allows death prevail?
Or a case of the latter where, God gives one up to the whims of death or the grim reaper.

Do you seriously or really believe God kills or God murders?
If yes, how does He kill, how does He murder?

cc Ndkings1, Midehi, gabinogem, UAE123,
https://s21.postimg.org/d9v7ohczr/kanyama.jpg
The late Prophet Shamiso Kanyama

mcfynest:
I will check on onamism now

Go ahead, make my day. Please check.

mcfynest:
but the bible made it clear that just spilling the semen in manners different from what is originally made for is bad and infuriates God.

You're beginning to fabricating stories like Pinocchio does. You'll get a long nose if you persist.

mcfynest:
I believe masturbation falls into that category.although it was not explicitly stated, i believe it falls on the state of mind.

You believe wrong on all accounts.
Onan fell foul of acting against the Levirate law and persistently deprived his brother's wife an inheritance by pulling out and ejaculating on the ground instead of inside
He did this not once but several times before God allowed him to die.

mcfynest:
If you feel uncomfortable after the act,then i see you are guillty already .

Bro please dont turn this personal, try and be objective as you originally have been and leave me out of it

mcfynest:
as it was stated by sukkot in his post 1 john 3 vs 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. The church today is against the act, and guilty conscience makes it sin already.
Hope i made sence

Since IVF involves stulating the male genital to have a desired result, seems to me like m@sturbating......

Thanks

sukkot got it right, the "church" I doubt
Please if Onan died because of m@sturbating tell me how many have dropped dead after Onan?
Shouldn't we be seeing heap loads of dead bodies littering the streets because of masturbation?

Kei144:
Mk. 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
Mk. 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptised will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

He. 1:1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
He. 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made
the universe.

Not related to issue at hand

Kei144:
You believe that being born of water refers to the word of God raining on a person.
Can you see what Jesus says Mk. 16:16?

Bro can you for a second stick to John 3:5 and address what you wrote saying:
... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..." means "baptism in physical or literal water"

I dont give a hooty about Mark 16:16 but more interesting in holding you accountable to what you wrote about John 3:5
and implying it has to with "baptism in physical or literal water"

Kei144:
What exactly do you call word of God? Is it whatever your pastor says, or whatever any person calls "word of God"?

The word of God has varied symbolisms, and the water in John 3:5 which in the original Greek text is "huetos", as in water, like as if rainy literally or figuratively is one of the symbols for the word of God.

Reiterating, John 3:5 contrary to your claim, has absolutely nothing to do with physical water for purification or ritual washings with physical water (i.e. not water baptism a la John the Baptist)

Kei144:
Once again, I tell you that Jesus alone is my reference, and not any pastor, neither any doctrine.

...and let me tell you, there is only one Pastor. Jesus. That Pastor and the word of God are my only references too.

Kei144:
Jn. 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
Jn. 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
Jn. 12:49 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.
Jn. 12:50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

Also not related to issue at hand

mcfynest:
Thanks.
Really greatful for the exposition.

By masturbation is will use this verse

Genesis 38:9 KJV
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
Genesis 38:10 KJV
And the thing which he did displeased the Lord : wherefore he slew him also.

I dont see the correlation between masturbation and that verse (i.e. Genesis 38:9) bro.
As I earlier mentioned, I suspect you are mixing up onanism for masturbation
Genesis 38:10 is about dying of onanism and not masturbation

Though people are known to have died from exhaustion out of indulging in excessive masturbation and not giving the body time to recuperate
but have you read anywhere in the bible of anyone dying of masturbation?

Kei144:
1Pe. 3:18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,
1Pe. 3:19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison
1Pe. 3:20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
1Pe. 3:21 and this water symbolises baptism that now saves you also — not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience towards God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1Pe. 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand — with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

I always go by the words of the Bible. I don't believe in any doctrine other than what can clearly be seen in the Bible. The above passage says that water baptism is important in the salvation process, which is the process of entering the kingdom of heaven. Even in Acts 10:45-48 that you quoted previously, where gentiles received the Holy Spirit prior to water baptism, water baptism was still administered to them. Water baptism may not have any wonderful spiritual impact on a person, but it does include a person into the name of Jesus Christ.

Incidentally, I have a particular testimony concerning water baptism. However, my experience can be regarded as a particular experience; it may not imply a general truth. In my second year in the university, I visited the Christian Union Fellowship (NIFES) of my university, following the advice of a friend who became born again. I had a wonderful encounter with God. For six weeks, I was moved by the Holy Spirit. Then my mother warned me against joining SU people; after the warning, I began to experience health and psychological crisis that eventually threw me out of fellowship with God's people. One month to my graduation, I followed another friend to Deeper Life Church; God once again manifested Himself to me in a great way and I decided within me that I will hold on to Jesus for life. Before long, my worldly friends pulled me back to their side. Then, two weeks to my degree exam, I began to have migraine headache that prevented me from reading. When one born again boy in my class got to know about my predicament, and my experience in Deeper Life, he prayed for me and I was healed that day. He sent his Deeper Life room mate to come and talk to me. I attended Deeper Life all through my degree exams and I was always filled with great joy and peace. The next month, I went for NYSC and I was such a wonderful Deeper Life Christian in camp. I was then posted to teach in a school. In my first month there, I was so much in the Spirit. Then I met a business man from my place and I began to enjoy riding with him in his car and he took me to all sorts of places. Before long, I fell out of Deeper Life and out of being born again. One month to the end of my NYSC, I learned that Christian corpers fellowship was going to hold at the residence of one female Yoruba corper (medical doctor) that was friendly with me, so I decided to attend. In that fellowship, God embraced me again and I was so full of remorse for my prodigality. There was this thought in me that I would soon move into the wider world and that if I backslid again, it may be difficult to recover me. I became worried bout my inability to remain in Christ continuously and feared that I might not make it to heaven. The next year, after my NYSC, I was baptized in the Deeper Life Bible Church. About one year after that, I was living in Lagos and I found myself in a situation where I did not attend any church service or Christian fellowship for up to six weeks, yet I knew in my heart that I solidly belonged to Jesus. Some years later, I wondered how I overcame the initial instability in my relationship with God and I traced it to my baptism in water. Apparently, there were some ancestral spirits that refused to allow me to be a born again. Water baptism separated me from those spirits; they no longer had power over my spiritual life, but they sorely troubled my worldly pursuits.

Very interesting account.
It gives an empathetic understanding to why water baptism is very dear and sensitive to you.

Kei144:
Actually, there is biblical explanation for the testimony that I presented in my last post.

Ro. 6:3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptised into Christ Jesus were baptised into his death?
Ro. 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Adam entered into a covenant with Satan, by eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil from Satan. We all inherited this covenant, having been born as descendants of Adam. Water baptism is a rite of spiritual exit from Adam's lineage and initiation into the name of Jesus Christ. People who had some experience in mysticism will be able to tell you the importance of initiation ceremonies. Through water baptism, a person takes upon her/him by faith the death that Jesus died on the cross. This death by faith disconnects a person from Adam's and all ancestral covenants. Rising from the baptismal water is initiation or resurrection into Jesus Christ.

1Pe. 3:21 and this water symbolises baptism that now saves you also — not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge [Or response] of a good conscience towards God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Ac. 8:15 When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
Ac. 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptised into the name of the Lord Jesus.

1Co. 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptised into [Or in; also in verse 15] the name of Paul?
1Co. 1:14 I am thankful that I did not baptise any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
1Co. 1:15 so no-one can say that you were baptised into my name.

What about those who receive the Holy Spirit without water baptism?

He. 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,
He. 6:2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

The first century Church clearly understood the particular roles of both water and Holy Spirit baptisms. Unfortunately, the knowledge of the roles of these baptisms were lost in the Roman Catholic Church, which took over from the early disciples of Christ. The popular belief in most new churches today is that only Holy Spirit baptism is necessary. My thinking is that once you decide to become born again, it is good to receive both baptisms. Each one plays an important role.

I fully understand where you are coming from
but remember I took you up on your assertion that without water baptism, one cant enter the Kingdom of God

Also pointed out to you, that John 3:5's "... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..." has nothing whatsover to do with "baptism in water" as you posted or claimed.

Do you agree that John 3:5's "... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..." has nothing whatsover to do with "baptism in physical or literal water"?

MizJanet:
To hand over means to pass responsibilty to someone else isnt it?

The bold showed his spirit has been hand over to his father the very day he died.

Remember He first said, He was handing over His spirit before He drew His last breath and then died BUT you are weasely trying to put it like He got to heaven on the day He died.

MizJanet:
Not in dis case, " father, into your HANDS"

How do you want Him to pledge?
Father into or unto your feet? No offence intended.
He pledged His spirit for the Father to receive with His Hands, isnt that so?

You keep twisting every word put across
Very soon or later, you'll at some point latch on hands, and come back saying God has literal hands

MizJanet:
@bold , if Jesus just puts on a human suit, that shows the real person of Jesus never died but only the flesh/suit he put on died

Thats a perpetual hole in xristianity.

Madam, please, go easy and tread softly softly. You're trying to bite more than you can chew

MizJanet:
And so? @ bold, when you assign, allocate or reserve your money in the bank, then the money stays in the bank

Ma, without trying to be patronising, this is simple or elementary English now.

Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last - Luke 23:46

Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands, I pledge, I commend, I assign, I allocate, I reserve my Spirit and Then He drew His last breath and died

This has nothing to do with "money staying in the bank" but surrendering, as in giving up or handing over His spirit to God the Father

MizJanet:
He reserves his spirit into the hand of his father in heaven, this is very clear.

Glad it is VERY clear

MizJanet:
It is reserved in heaven ..... So why is your religious book saying it was 40 days after despite the bright statement written in Luke 23:46 of your book? Is that not a contraditon?

Simple, unless you want to making a mountain out of a molehill.
When a pledger, pledges money it doesnt mean the money pledged is already or really in the hands of the pledgee yet.
The spirit was pledges 40 days earlier, the Pledgee got the spirit 40 days after resurrection (i.e. 40 days after the pledge was made)

MizJanet:
Paradise is what?

Drop down three verse from your favourite Luke 23:46 quote to Luke 23:43 to get an idea

MizJanet:
Show me the bold from your holy book?

2 Corinthians 12:3, Revelation 2:7 and Luke 16:19-31

MizJanet:
I like the bolded statement, it expose another myth

In your mind it does, more like a fool's paradise than anything else.
Thinking it exposes another myth is living in a fool's paradise.
Sorry for taking advantage of using the fool's paradise pun there. Couldnt resist not to, was there for the taking

Luukasz:
Good evening guys.
I have been pondering over this issue for quite sometime now as an amateur in the game am done with Html but CSS is uninteresting to me but am glued to Javascript so the question on my mind is that Is It Possible To Build A Website Using Just Html, Javascript,Jquery and the rest without using CSS??

Three beginners or fundamental things you need to be aware of are:
1) HTML and/or XHTML is used to structure the website
2) CSS is used for styling the website
3) and Javascript, Jquery or PHP et al is used for the website's behaviour

What ITbomb was trying to say, was, yes, you can use HTML and/or XHTML to style websites
but it will be a tall order, will be limiting, be painstakingly hard and you'll get penalised by search engine optimization (SEO) algorithms etc for using HTML to style

Also W3C standard principles expects websites to be styled using CSS and not HTML and/or XHTML

Luukasz:
And i want to know some world class websites built without CSS,Twitter & Nairaland comes to mind but am not so certain. Tanx

Mind you, Twitter and Nairaland use CSS (i.e. Cascading Style Sheet)
In the present climate if websites are built without CSS, it wouldnt be considered world class

dalass:
@ op, MzJanet the bomb in the topic should be amended thus: Did Jesus GO to heaven the day he DIED......

It's just her being her. Saw them miles away but couldnt be fazed about them

MizJanet:
According to mainstream christianity , the spirit in man is the immaterial part of man which escapes the body at death . Most christians attend chuch services to save their spirit coz its d most important to them NOT this body of flesh which will rot away .

So thats why most of them says " humans are spirit that lives in a body" , pls re -read that statement again. You will discover that the real human is a spirit, while the body is just a shed . Hehehe

Ask me why i laugh , its because the christian Jesus came as a human, therefore he is a spirit that lives in a body. When did he go to heaven ?

He went to Heaven 40 days after resurrecting.
Mind you God the Son, Jesus, came in human form because that is the requirement for any being to LEGALLY live and operate on earth. (i.e. note Genesis 1:26)
Any persons or beings needs to be a human (i.e. needs to put on a flesh-carnal-human suit) to become legal, worst case an animal body like that of pigs, might be enough too. Nothing beats a human body embodied spirit as Mark 5:13 and Luke 8:33 attests to

MizJanet:
According to luke 23:46 , he says " father, into your hands i entrust MY SPIRIT", huh , hope you know the father lives in heaven.

Huh-huh, commending or entrusting you spirit doesnt mean ascending,
neither does it mean "I am ascending"
It, simply is a statement saying: "into your Hands I assign, allocate, reserve etc My spirit"

Like everyone else before Him, Jesus, first went to Sheol.
He even hinted this when He advised the thief on the right hand side of the cross with the reply "I assure you, today, you will be with me in paradise."
Mind you, paradise is the righteous side or good part of Sheol.

MizJanet:
That shows that the real spirit called Jesus went to the father in heaven the day he died .

But how come he still denied that he has not ascend to the Father? John 20:17, How come the bible still claim its 40 days after his resurection?

No, Jesus did not ascend heaven on the day He died.
No one goes to heaven on the day they die, and Jesus only and definitely ascended to heaven 40 days after His resurrection

mcfynest:
Good day all.
Being a while i have commented on this sectiin, guesd its Ceaser that has been calling. And as it was written in Mark 12:17 KJV
And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him.

So i was with Ceaser but not forgetting the cross
Greeting to people who have being helpful to my Christian journey.
Sukkot
Pastor kun
Plaetton
Folykaze
HumbledbYgrace
Tgirl4real
Biafranqueen
MrPresident1
And many others.

So the question is this-
As christians are we supposed to do this things
1. Clonning Ip
2. Ivf

Cloning/blocking your IP
Most people in Nigeria that are making money in the internet world will understand better.
Since we generally do most of our business with foreigners, and we all know they don't trust Nigerians.
Though we submit our works and deliver their jobs without scamming them, but one still has to show that he is not from Nigeria.
Thats a rough intro abt it.
So i was talking to another internet marketer recently and he was like he is not cool about it.
Is it right? Are genuine internet marketers at risk of being arrested by efcc or FBI?
Showing that am from the US and delivering their jobs without scamming them (whites/cau) is it a sin?

Sorry about this but it is the classic examples of: "one bad apple spoils the barrel" and "give a dog a bad name and hang him"

Well, there is a truth and nugget in Matthew 10:16, where the Bible says:
Be savvy (i.e. smart), intelligent, sensible, wise or be mindful of your interests as snakes BUT without admixture of evil,
be harmless as doves (e.g. delivering jobs without scamming etc)

mcfynest:
2. IVF -In vitro fertilisation

IVF is the process by which eggs are removed from your ovaries and mixed with sperm in a laboratory culture dish.
Fertilisation takes place in this dish, "in vitro", which means "in glass".
As a christian, should we do this?
Is it not tantamount to masturbation on d male part? Are we testing the Lord our God, are we assisting him in doing his work

Yes, christians or anyone else for that matter that can afford or have the means, could do this, as God has nothing against IVF

No, we are not "testing the Lord our God, or assisting him in doing His work"
IVF just like other feats or various leaps and strides in the medical fields are not "testing the Lord our God, or assisting him in doing His work"

What have you against masturbation and what do you think God has against masturbation?
Are you mistaking onanism for masturbation?

mcfynest:
3- God and the male genitals

Genesis 24:9 KJV
And the servant put his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master, and sware to him concerning that matter.

Genesis 47:29 KJV
And the time drew nigh that Israel must die: and he called his son Joseph, and said unto him, If now I have found grace in thy sight, put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh, and deal kindly and truly with me; bury me not, I pray thee, in Egypt:

There are many places in the old testament that involes that process, any explanstin or reasoning?

Appreciate you already know that "thigh" is an euphemism for male genital
so, in relation to answering the query, pin this "My hands are tied" phrase temporarily down in your mind:
and note that if someone's hands are tied, it means, they are not free to behave in the way or manner that they would have liked to behave
(i.e. means they, somehow, are ceremoniously subjected to the conditions under which the oath with the "thigh" was sworn to)

The male genitals, to the average ancient Jew, is considered sacred and hence that part of the body is used, similarly, like the Bible or Koran to make oaths with.

It is usually a subordinate that places his hands under the "thigh" of a senior or superior to make an oath (i.e. remember the "hands tied" phrase)

In effect, the junior-person who places hand underneath the "thigh" of the senior-person, is simply taking an oath saying he is no longer free to do as he wishes on the relating matter, except according to what was sworn to, the conditions, etc when the hand was placed under the "thigh"

mcfynest:
I dont want to sound too spiritial here but i really need this answers.
Thanks

If you sound too spiritial (sic) you are being true to nature, as you are spirit in a flesh-body suit. You are spiritual.
Hope the answers above helped

ojaydedon:
when you study the bible, you will will hear of lake of fire been mentioned in some parts, and hell been mentioned in some other portion...
Pls what is the difference between the two, or are they the same?
Elaborate explanation is needed pls.. Thanks

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Lake Of Fire and Hell, are not the same thing. Their differences are explained as follows:

Hell is neither Hebrew or Greek in origin

Sheol is, what is in the original Hebrew text for hell
in other words, hades or hell was the Greek substitution for Sheol

As a matter of fact, Hell actually finds it roots in the classic Greek mythology, hades

Hades incidentally was the ancient Greek god of the underworld.
The god's name (i.e. Hades) later turned to mean the place or abode of the dead, which actually is what Sheol is or signifies

Gehenna is a valley, in Jerusalem, used as a dumping refuse site and was used by Jesus to depict the Lake of fire
(i.e. a place of destruction, as in a palce for destroying via incineration)

As earlier mentioned, Gehenna was the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem
Hades however, historically and originally is the name of a Greek god until it got turned to meaning the place or abode of the dead
It later got interchanged with hell, which is from a German word root
It was bible translators who were substituing the original Hebrew word Sheol, with Greek counterparts Hades/Hell that made hell stick with us today

The vital point here is that the Jews DO NOT HAVE THE Greek idea or concept of Hades/Hell

Hell is a greek concept, Jews never had hell, they never shared the Greek mythology of hell.
They had sheol quite alright
they definitely were aware of sheol, abraham's bosom or paradise but not the Greek hell mythology

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS:
- Is an interim place called hell or hades where people go to and languish in torment pending the white throne judgement?
No, there is not an interim place called hell or hades where people go to and languish in torment pending the white throne judgement
That is part of Greek mythology
What exists, is, Sheol, which had two sections with a dividing gulf
Those initially in the good side of Sheol (i.e. Abraham's bosom) are now in Paradise

- Is there eternal torment for the wicked after the second death?
No, no there is NO ETERNAL torment or punishment for the wicked.
"Eternal torment" is a misinterpretation or mistransliteration of the original Aramaic/Greek text.

The fact and truth of the matter is, just like the flames of Gehenna, the incinerating refuse dump in Jerusalem effectively & thoroughly burnt the rubbish, so will death and the wicked be destroyed in a thorough manner, after the second death, the second death being the Lake of Fire
- when something is destroyed in a thorough manner, it means it is eternal, as in, eternal means, it is permanent, no returning to, no going back to etc.

Kei144:

Ro. 1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
Ro. 1:4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God, by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

He. 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
He. 1:4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
He. 1:5 For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? [Or have begotten you] [Psalm 2:7] Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? [2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13]
He. 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” [Deut. 32:43
He. 1:7 In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.” [Psalm 104:4]
He. 1:8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the sceptre of your kingdom.
He. 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” [Psalm 45:6,7]

He. 5:11 We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn.
He. 5:12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
He. 5:13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
He. 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

You can't hide behind rhetoric bible verses for long.
I warned you to desist from doing the unnecessary and unmeaningful extravagant bible verse posting or writing

Kei144:
The divinity that Jesus Christ possesses today, he inherited when God adopted him as his firstborn Son.

At what age was this divinity that "Jesus Christ possesses today, he inherited when God adopted him as his firstborn"?
Was it at birth?
Was it at age 33 before he died?
Or was it at age 33 after He died and resurrected?

Kei144:
The adoption took place after Jesus' death on the cross.

Are you saying Jesus was never God's Son before His death on the cross

Kei144:
My justification for water baptism is that Jesus Christ, who is my model, went through it.
Even though John the baptist tried to prevent Jesus from going through water baptism, Jesus insisted that he must fulfill all righteousness (Mt. 3:14-15). Jesus is my reference, not any pastor, neither any doctrine.

and you do know why He insisted. Right?
- He insisted because He is a Jew, and hence as a Jew to fulfil every related Jewish religious duty

At this point, allow me to remind you that, the bone of contention here, is you saying without baptism of water one cannot enter the Kingdom of God
This you inferred with John 3:5 and said: "... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..."

Remember also I responded by saying that this (i.e. born of water in John 3:5) has nothing whatsover to do with "baptism in water"
and also added that one DOESNT NEED TO BE DIPPED INTO WATER to enter the Kingdom of God

In light of the few evidences put forward against it, you've been avoiding and evading countering them, so now what is your response to that?
Is "water baptism" a prerequisite to enter the Kingdom of God?

Kei144:
I don't believe that there has been any new dispensation since the earthly ministry of Jesus. New dispensation will commence when Jesus comes for his own.

Dont play the ignorance card here.

Dispensations come and go, even the Temple veil ripping in half is an example of an end of one dispensation under which certain rules or laws were suspended and the beginning of a new dispensation heralding in grace

NumberOne2:
Easy. Even Atheists and Muslims know the answer to this.

The bible rarely documents women. Except for a few like Eve, Rahab, Ruth (Go check generations of Jesus in Matthew and Luke).
If not for the issues Dinah (Jacobs daughter had), no one will probably know Jacob has a daughter. Methuselah lived longest in the Bible at 969 years but we do not know his mother.

To your question:
Adam and Eve had another son named Seth. So who did Seth marry?
And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: - Genesis 5:4

So how many daughters of Adam do you know were mentioned in the Bible?
Is it so hard to see that Cain married his sister? A sister that was not documented at the time of Cain and Abel.
Yeah, you may call it incest but at the time it was common practice. Men did not know better.

It wasn't a case of "Men did not know better" rather more a case of, the practice was permitted (i.e. allowed) by God
but at the time when it was no longer safe (i.e. because the risks are now high) for this practice to go on (i.e. continue)
God, then, officially voiced out via Leviticus 18:6-15, where he laid down the law against the practice
(i.e. "'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD etc)

NumberOne2:
Even, a son of Jacob (Reuben) slept with his father concubine.
And it came to pass, when Israel dwelt in that land, that Reuben went and lay with Bilhah his father's concubine: and Israel heard it... - Genesis 35:22

It was later that God gave a law against it to the Israelites:
None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their unclothedness: I am the LORD. - Leviticus 18:6

The reason why God officially spoke out and gave a law against it to the Israelites was because of:
#1) Purity sake, as God is processing Himself to turn up on Earth through the Israelites
#2) Genetics, as the human genetic code had become degraded enough that close intermarriage was no longer safe
(i.e. the risks of inheriting abnormal physical characteristics including medical problems is highly unavoidable)

NumberOne2:
The the list continue to vs 22 and 23 where God speaks against Homosexuals...

God spoke against homosexuality in those two verses as regards His agenda about purity at that era or time
Other places where or when the subject of homosexuality/pederast is mentioned in the Bible are in four settings, these under different background or varied degrees, are:

1) The Genesis 19:4-5 Sodom and Gomorrah attempted gang rape of men by men account
2) The Old Testament Leviticus 18:22 law (i.e. Mosaic Law Prohibition)
and the Leviticus 20:13 punishment (i.e. law for violating the Leviticus 18:22 Law)
3) 1 Corinthians 6:9 New Testament lists of sins
4) and Paul's Romans 1:26 letter to the Christians in Rome.

Whether God still speaks against homosexuality now, note and mind you, not referring to pederast,
and whether the Leviticus 20:13 punishment is still valid or applicable today are judgment calls
The take on them are going to be personal ones after being fully familiar with all the facts & truth out there

NumberOne2:
...and sex with Animals.

also is against this because of Purity again, passing diseases from animal and it is an abomination

NumberOne2:
Even with the laws, there are still cultures around the world that still practice it. It is frowned upon in Nigeria/Africa.
See how it applies globally: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest

Though it is a taboo in Nigeria/Africa the ocassional married men do practice it with their daughters. It carries death by stoning in Sharia states if married and caught with evidence

Kei144:
1Pe. 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

A person could enter the kingdom of God and crash out later. A person's membership of the kingdom of God becomes permanent when God adopts her/him as His son. Only one person has been adopted by God as His son; Jesus Christ! He is an example to us. He began His life in the kingdom when he was baptized by John the Baptist. Baptism of the Holy Spirit and anointing with power followed after. Don't be deceived by doctrines crafted by human beings.

If I were you, I'll be shy using the word adopted for Jesus, in that "adopted by God" phrase,
also I would rein in the unnecessary extravagant writing

Kei144:
Look unto Jesus and you will never make mistake.

Sauce for goose is sauce for gander. Would love if you practice what you've just preached.

Kei144:
I am surprised that you believe that there are people who never received the Holy Spirit that are already in the kingdom of God.

I am shocked, reading you saying I wrote "there are people who never received the Holy Spirit that are already in the kingdom of God"
How does this allegation marry with "John 3:5's ... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..." has nothing whatsover to do with "baptism in water"
and
"One doesnt need to be dipped into water to enter the Kingdom of God"?

Kei144:
May be your idea of receiving the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues.

As you definitely know, speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit
and it can be a symbol of receiving the Holy Spirit,
however that be the case, 1 Corinthians 12:30 let us know that, not all speak in tongues,
when it asked: "Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?"

Acts 10:45-48
The Gentiles Receive the Holy Spirit
⁴⁴Even as Peter was saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to the message.
⁴⁵The Jewish believerse who came with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles, too.
⁴⁶For they heard them speaking in other tongues and praising God.
Then Peter asked,
⁴⁷"Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
⁴⁸So he gave orders for them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Afterward Cornelius asked him to stay with them for several days.

This line is, should in case you miss verse 46-47 refuting your stance

Kei144:
Ro. 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

I am surprised you are sticking to your dogma and still holding your stance
but OK let's rewind and do this orderly, let's try it one at a time

Here we are going back to John 3:5's where you posted "... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..."
at which I responded with by saying that this (i.e. born of water) has nothing whatsover to do with "baptism in water"
and also added that one DOESNT NEED TO BE DIPPED INTO WATER to enter the Kingdom of God

I gave a few explanations and hints why John 3:5 has nothing to with "baptism in water"
so what EXACTLY are your justification(s) for water baptism in this dispensation?
Please be careful, think deeply and dont be in a haste to reply back...

Kei144:
Mk. 1:15 “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news!”
God threw open His kingdom to mankind during the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Hallelujah

Kei144:
Unfortunately, up till this day, mankind has not understood what the kingdom of God is really all about.
All that mankind has been able to do is to form a religion that is about Jesus Christ.
Today, more than two billion people belong to the Christianity religion; but very few of these belong to the kingdom of God

Startling

Kei144:
What is the problem?
The problem is lack of understanding.

... and bad hermeneutics, misinformed teachers, bigots etc

Kei144:
Everybody talks about the good news or gospel, but very few understand that the good news is simply that God has thrown His kingdom open to mankind. Any person who understands and believes the good news should ask, how do I get in?

Read more: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/31/enter-the-kingdom-of-god-now/enter-the-kingdom-of-god-now.pdf

Kei144:
How to enter

Ac. 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac. 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Col. 3:2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.

The first thing a person that wants to enter the kingdom of God must do is to repent. Repentance means to no longer set your mind on earthly things, but on the kingdom of God. The result of this paradigm shift is that you will begin to lose out in the things of the world and begin to grow in the spiritual life of God.

You now submit yourself to a minister of the gospel who will baptize you in water into the Lord Jesus Christ, so that Jesus Christ becomes your Lord. You commonly hear preachers say that people should receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour; the proper way to do it is by baptism in water.

Jn. 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn. 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit [Or but spirit] gives birth to spirit.

When you have been baptized in water, you have been born of water

With all due respects, this bolded part, out of misunderstanding is completely misleading
John 3:5's "... no-one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water ..." has nothing whatsover to do with "baptism in water"

It is has nothing to do with born of the flesh either (i.e. nothing to do with the breaking waters or amniotic sac at physical birth either)

One doesnt need to be dipped into water to enter the Kingdom of God

If you dispute the immediate above sentence, then research the Greek word used in John 3:5
It is "huetos" meaning "rain" or "rain water"
The word of God is like water (i.e. raining water)when the word of God rains on one, one gets borns into the Kingdom of God
Refer to Ezekiel 36:25-26, this is the connection to John 3:5-6 from where Jesus is alluding that one needs the to be born of water and the spirit
Even John 4:14 attests to this too

Please, if necessary, feel free to ask for clarity purposes, whatever questions, there may be, on John 3:5

Kei144:
it remains to be born of the Spirit. In order to receive the Holy Spirit, all it takes is to pray to God to give you the Holy Spirit (Lk. 11:13) and believe that you have received. The minister that carried out the baptism in water can also pray for the person baptized to receive the Holy Spirit, immediately after the water baptism (Acts 19:6)

Baptism in water is not a prerequisite to enter the Kingdom of God, some are already in it without baptism or being baptised.

Kei144:
Speaking in tongues is not a necessary indication that you have received the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is a spirit and the mouth that speaks in tongues is just flesh. Flesh and spirit do not often go together. A person who receives the Holy Spirit has been born into the kingdom of God.

Read more: http://www.pdf-archive.com/2015/05/31/enter-the-kingdom-of-god-now/enter-the-kingdom-of-god-now.pdf

Some, without the receiving the Holy Spirit are already in the Kingdom of God

twitternews:
http://www.infomaniang.com/2015/06/he-was-solomon-of-his-generation.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTEfiBNDYw
He undoubtedly predicted his own death
and even gave a date range (i.e. from the day on July 10th 214 to July 10th 2015)

Moses has gone. Where is Dr. Dave Burrows Joshua, has Dr. Dave Burrows Joshua stepped out...

In another video he had a dream seeing someone die with a baton still in his hand
(i.e. the person died grasping a baton in his hand and not passing it on)

PabloAfricanus:
Thanks for the reference...been scouting for an epub version for my iPad...just got one.
Interesting read...after a cursory read...I think he's pushing typical neo-liberal Western ideologies.
You know, the type where there are no laws or guidelines for anyone to follow.
Where "female" and "male" are now called social "gender roles"...and can be tweaked to take on any meaning.
Where "father" and "mother" will soon be classified as "roles" and not actual persons of different genders.
Where just about every surviving social and historical construct of modern society will be subject to any form of social engineering.
Its daring...but highly subversive if you read between the lines IMO.

Not sure you'll be able to watch this link but he touched on it (i.e. Bionic Life) in his book on page 404
- only the rich will be able afford it, the poor will be damned
https://uk.screen.yahoo.com/robot-videos/humans-set-become-cyborgs-within-165203395.html

PabloAfricanus:
The conclusions he appears to be reaching can be used to justify the overthrow of any established society and its norms.
Not really a bad thing...until they cross the line...a la gay marriage, transgendering, abolition of property rights etc.
I like the parts where he compares and contrasts the social,political and gender perceptions of different societies over time.
Also, how modern society has grown to be more liberal and tolerant of opposing views.

Yep, interesting

PabloAfricanus:
If you're interested in similar books...check out these ones
Amir D. Aczel-God's Equation
J. Craig Venter-Life at the Speed of Light -From the Double Helix to the Dawn of Digital Life

@Rossike...I think you'll find these ones to your liking
The Ankh- African Origin of Electromagnetism by Nur Ankh Amen
Back To a Future for Mankind-BioGeometry by Ibrahim Karim

PS: If you need download links...lemme know.

BioGeometry (i.e. taking advantages of energy from shapes) thats an interesting one too

TheFilmmaker:
Natural response...

... and what's "Natural response" supposed to mean

TheFilmmaker:
How about this verse:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Whether it is the Bible or Quran quoted, it still remains to be anthropomorphism (i.e. personification; giving human characteristics to a non-human)

TheFilmmaker:
Another metaphor? Please answer.

Yes!. Another metaphor
- a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable

Here are a few examples of personifications or metaphors to share with you
1) The WIND SANG through the meadow
2) The RIVER SWALLOWED the earth as the water continued to rise higher and higher.
3) My LAPTOP THROWS a fit every time I try to use it
4) The TREE BRANCH MOANED as I swung from it
5) The FIRE RAN wild.
6) The STORM ATTACKED the town with great rage
7) The POPCORN LEAPT out of the bowl
8.) The TORNADO RAN through town without a care.
9) The WORDS LEAPT OFF out the screen as you read this post
10) The LAKE DANCED in the moonlight.
11) He did not realize that OPPORTUNITY was KNOCKING at his door.
12) The man did not realize that his LAST CHANCE was WALKING out the door.
13) The AVALANCHE DEVOURED everything in its path
14) The PHONE AWAKENED with a mighty ring

AlfaSeltzer:
these quaranists sef
it is so hypocritical to critisize others when one can't tolerate criticism
go back to your quarantined section and stop disturbing the peace here

https://s2.postimg.org/gqslqiubp/m_laugh.gif

Instead of keystrokes dipped in poison, shahydbinaliyu should just try to bridle his criticism next time so that it is helpful and not hurtful

ROSSIKE:
Sounds like an interesting work......I'll look into it.... Thanks MuttleyLaff

No worries bro, am now on page 77 Chapter 5

shahydbinaliyu:
2nd Samuel Verse 22..7-20

imagine the blasphemous words against GOD.. and yet fools believe this is word of GOD...

Psalms 78:65 Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine.


imagine... see this blasphemous word against GOD our creator.. and some fools think this piece of shit is word of GOD...

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Imagine... God rested!!!


Bible also attributed 3 father's to Jesus... what an amazing nonsense


Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the HOLY GHOST.

1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.

1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the HOLY GHOST.



John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

3:17 For GOD sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Obadiah77:
our god have mouth wey he use in speaking to peple, without pharyx and larynx, how can one speka? posibly he has intstines too? so definitly he do eat food as well.

Hail Yahwehh god of israel

mustymatic:
They won't show themselves

Welcome to the world of Anthropomorphism (i.e. personification)
Please make no mistake these are metaphors. They help us understand and visualise God.
Check out :
Jeremiah 2:31 - O generation, see ye the word of the LORD
or
Exodus 20:18 - Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet

Do you like in Exodus 18:20 see sound?
No, I dont think you would say you do. All these "nonsense" are simply spiritual emanations of Godhood

Note that the three "senses" always attributed to God in the Bible are: seeing, hearing and smelling.
You wont ever read God in Bible, tasting or touching....

Nonsense and the ridiculous makes the world go round (i.e. 1 Corinthians 1:27 and 1 Corinthians 3:19)

TheFilmmaker:
Too much Matrix fanatics.

Yuvals isnt Matrix though different to Rossikes it is a similar sentiment

PabloAfricanus:
Interesting!!!
Rossike great discussion here!

cc Rossike
https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71fsQxIlggL._AC_UL115_.jpg
I am currently reading this book (i.e. Sapiens - A Brief History of Mankind), it's a book by Yuval Noah Harari
Yuval Noah Harari is that Hebrew professor
and leading historian who recently said he believes one day humans will be able to become "cyborgs" (i.e. part man, part machine)
and able to live forever

Sapiens - A Brief History of Mankind, is a very enthralling book but you might need to spit out bones.
The author, Yuval, made and shared similar sentiments like Rossikes
but differently when he used the Peugeout Lion logo (i.e. Stadel lion-man) to make the point, as well as, with other illustrations

I am still in the twenties page of a 400+ page book

Maamin:
I have asked this particular question time without number, but am yet to get reasonable answer from them.

I know you have bro, so I too, and quite a few times in different ways, at that
but I did notice that each time he is asked, he goes into defensive mode and waffles

It is very simple, easy to admit and lay the matter to rest by just saying: "I dont know Allah/God's personal name
however what I am aware of is His title,
we use Allah/God as a name albeit Allah/God never said categorically that His name ever was Allah/God"

Maamin:
You muslims use the word "Allah" to refer to God in islam..you dont have any proper name for Allah,
the word "Allah" is not a name but title
just like God in english, Oluwa in yoruba, Elohim in hebrew, Theo in greek, Elah in aramaic, Chineke in igbo etc.

So I ask for the last time what is the name of your God not title.?

https://s18.postimg.org/fx6so7m9l/been_Saying.jpg
Dont know how I missed that Maamin post, I should have quoted it lot more earlier than now

Also what Sweetnecta might not want to admit is that Arabic is a Semitic language that predates Islam
Allah personally revealed that His name is YHWH, there are also verses where others have called Him by His name (i.e. YHWH) too
Sweetnecta is headstrong about God's name is God (i.e. Allah's name is Allah)
even when there is nowhere in the Bible or Quran where God says "My NAME is God" or "My NAME is Allah"

Sweetnecta DOESNT HAVE, DOESNT KNOW the name of God/Allah except for that title God/Allah.

This "JUST NOTICED" other thread https://www.nairaland.com/2327835/arabic-language-not-religion#33950151"
ABOUT "Arabic is a Language and not a Religion" MADE ME re-visit this thread