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Jozzy4:
If you truly admit God knows, do you agree with his statement in Genesis 3:19?

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Whats wrong with agreeing with the latter part statement in Genesis 3:19?
Do you agree with the above pictures AND the decomposition stages to dust?

Jeromejnr:
That's why I just created a post on d diff BTW hell, Sheol, hades e,t,c go there and enlighten ureself.

Who is to go there?
"You talkin' to me?" - in my best Robert De Niro's Taxi Driver movie impersonation

If its me then note you cant teach big momma how to suck egg
as you have to go check out an earlier post on the lowdown on Sheol, Gehenna, Hades and Hell created before your JJC post
SMH, the cheek telling ''go there and enlighten ureself.'' Pftt. SMH
https://www.nairaland.com/1923809/lake-fire-hell-what-difference/1#34753696

Jeromejnr:
Adam went to Sheol.

Go do research on that.

Jozzy4:
Show us how you arrive at that conclusion !

Jeromejnr:
Common sense gotten from scriptures.

No one could enter heaven until Jesus had paid the price.

So all that died went to Sheol. Sheol is divided into two:

The place of comfort and the place of Torment. The place of comfort was later called Abraham's Bosom.

So everyone that died went to Sheol. Whether the person went to the place of torment or comfort, only God knows.

There are abundant verses in the Bible that show what the place of the dead is called
but from the little I've known so far about your posts,
even if shown you or explained, it seems the argumentative spirit overbears your learning & humble spirit
It denies you of getting the basics right and robs you too of getting understanding

2 Timothy 2:23
Again I say, don't get involved in foolish, ignorant arguments that only start fights.

Just wondering, keeping in mind that Sheol is a Jewish concept, what you make of Sheol, what all your understanding of Sheol is/are.

Jozzy4:
From your writeup, its clear Adam and all his offsprings return to dust.

SMH. For a second I would have sworn I thought I earlier saw and read you post:
"It wuld hav been much better if u had said "I dont know""

Jozzy4:
thanks

Free it was obtained, free it is given.
Thank you for jacking in the strike-out

Jozzy4:
It wuld hav been much better if u had said "I dont know"

It would have been much better to admit you're averse of the truth showcased in the three verses I earlier produced

Genesis 3:19
You will eat food by the sweat of your brow until you're buried in the ground, because you were taken from it.
You're made from dust and you'll return to dust."

Ecclesiastes 3:20
And all things go to one place:
of earth they were made, and into earth they return together.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Also, you are better off taking to Delusiongirl20's advice of stop cancelling posts in your thread
This habit of striking out posts which you picked up from Emusan really has to stop

Jozzy4:
Its not okay...

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Only if you realise that this thread is not just merely about moving forward
Have you ever seen the birthday boy or girl wolf down the whole birthday cake?
No, the cake is sliced up in bits, then passed around to be eaten
This way, there's no danger of choking, smearing the face with cake etcetera

You see, life, as it is, is complex already and enough,
so the basics, need to be understood and mastered before delving into exploring and learning more complex things

As a matter of fact, life is more of, knowing when and where to, crawl, stand up, stoop down, walk or run,
but Sir, you are trying to run before even having ever to crawl
and at the rate you've set off and are going about it, efrebor, efrebor, you go wound ooo

Jozzy4:
...pure injustice or hell is an hoax

What has your hell interjection got to do with a simple ''Where Did Adam Go When He Died?'' question?
If I am of the suspicious type, I would be thinking you already had an ulterior motive for bringing up this question
Your hidden agenda, is more the reason, why you slid and slipped in, hell, later

Jozzy4:
Pls, dont derail the thread

No, not derailing, it is pertinent to you posting:
''If Adam simply return to dust , why would his offsprings who are born in sin...''

If only you had answered those questions, (i.e. there was the typical need to stoop and crawl before walking or running here)
then in regards to the ''pure injustice'' remark you made or raised,
maybe we would have been able to at a basic level comparable that can easily be related to, evaluate how sanctimoniously fair-minded you are with Microsoft Word and all the creation(s) you made/make with it

Jozzy4:
If Adam simply return to dust, why whould his offsprings who are born in sin be sent to hell?

If OK by you, let's sideline "hell" for the moment and take this bit by bit
Do you use Microsoft Office software suite or package at all?
In fact, do you particularly use Microsoft Word Document to write, create or compose with?

Jozzy4:
Where did Adam go when he died?

Jozzy4:
If you think its heaven, give reason?

If you think its hell, give reason?

If you think he returned to his former Non - existence state, give reason?

frosbel2:
he returned to the dust!

Genesis 3:19
You will eat food by the sweat of your brow until you're buried in the ground, because you were taken from it.
You're made from dust and you'll return to dust."

Ecclesiastes 3:20
And all things go to one place:
of earth they were made, and into earth they return together.

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Thoniameek:
1. Finds humour in everything: bad governance, electricity, fuel scarcity

2. Gives advice likes it's by force you follow it

3. Shouts up NEPA!

4. You wear special outfit for Sunday or Friday

5. You've never or rarely visit the dentist (doctors in general) because you don't see any reason fort that and consider it waste of money

6. You know what chin chin, puff puff, or moin moin are

7. You like to add "o" to a lot of your talk

8. You use very often phrases like: Eh wo! Ehen, Chineke, che! Ah-ah, yepa! God forbid, by God's grace, Nawa o! Wetin sef/dey? No worry, go joor! God dey! Oluwa is involve. e.t.c

9. You don't ask people their age and you don't like to tell people your age

10. You're boisterous and always speak loud in public

11. You call people you're not familiar with by names like: chairman, oga, uncle, aunty, bros, sister, guy, hey you girl! Hey you boy! (Sounds like heyuge, heyuboi)

12. You have two phones or battery/sim to yourself alone: this is not just to show off but because of the unstable power and poor mobile network services in Nigerian and also carry chargers around

13. You're materialistic and like to flaunt your wealth at the slightest opportunity

14. You're always extremely security conscious and watchful: everyone is a suspect

15. You have relatives that you can't even explain in simple terms how they are related to you; i.e my mother's-father-younger-sister-first borne daughter-last borne son

16. You always like to cook jollof rice when you have big or special occasions

17. You read all the above 16 sighs and smiled in between

Richguys
Mayo Bayo

Laughed when I first got this exaggerated joke about Naijas and still do when I remember it...
but are we really this ingenious and resourceful?
ANGELS: Abba Father! We are tired of these Nigerians in heaven.
GOD: What have they done again, this time?
ANGEL: Everything!
They don't listen to simple instructions
They don't have any respects for rules, law and order
They don't wait for their turn in anything. They are unbelievable, they're just completely reckless! (Exasperated)
In fact they have made heaven, a living hell, since they stepped foot in here.
GOD: Then we better send them to hell! (Dials and calls the Devil) Hell-o...
SATAN: Hell-o my Creator and Master, please call me later. I am in the midst of a situation.
There are some issues going on here that I'm trying to resolve.
Ten minutes (10 mins) later:
GOD: Hell-o Lucifer.
SATAN: Yes, your Lordship and Heavenly Father! Sorry I'll have to call you back.
The issue got bigger and it has now turned into a crisis ooo!
An hour later God calls again:
SATAN: Hello?
GOD: What's going on over there?
SATAN: It's the Nigerians I have with me in hell oooo!
(stuttering), they... they... they managed to quench the flames of the fire in hell and have now installed air conditioners!...

VLadipo:
Guy! Dont be a coward!!

I'l be whatever you like me to be.
I am even prepared to be a toerag, if it'll give you optimum satisfaction, or if it will make you feel fulfilled and better.

VLadipo:
Own up to your spiritual background

I have. Told you, ''Legit John 1:12''

VLadipo:
Which denomination do you belong to?

Instead of reading posts thoroughly, why do you prefer skimming them. You would have known the answer to this if you hadnt skimmed

VLadipo:
Are you born again?

Where and where did you become born again?

If you don't know the answers to these by now. You will never never never know.

VLadipo:
You sound like a pagan/atheist.

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I've been called worse, as some have used other head–scratching adjectives before you.

VLadipo:
hahahahaha

You are trying quite hard

No, I dont have to do trying hard, at all, as God gives the grace

VLadipo:
I know your type.

You know diddly squat.

VLadipo:
I dare you to tell me your spiritual background

Legit John 1:12

VLadipo:
I'm of the RCCG

Good for you. You want me to pin a medal on your chest for sharing that info?
Pardon me, you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a hoot, you're of RCCG, notwithstanding the fact, I knew already you associate with RCCG.

VLadipo:
Tell me yours.

Nothing to tell

VLadipo:
JW? ECK? AMORC? Grail? Come on, don't be ashamed of your cult.

Not on your list.
I've nothing to be ashamed of but arent you aware, there aren't denominations in the Kingdom

VLadipo:
There is nothing more to tell here.

Of course there is nothing more to tell here except to allow you to wallow in your ignorance

Nonetheless, VLadipo keep this truth in mind and always remember it.
The truth(s) in the Bible are like pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles.
so the onus rests on you to sift through a lot of stuff, pick things up and when you stumble on pearls, to dust them down,
wipe and brush them until they bring out the shine, luster, sparkle and light in them.

Another thing is that if you would make your mind strong, you must give it strong food,
unfortunately this meat is giving you toothache, it's too strong for your teeth to cut into.

VLadipo:
But honestly, I can't tell what your point is

I'm very sure you're a bright and smart person, but here is spelling it out
The point is GOD HAS NO ORGANS
My glove houses my hand, my glove is not my hand and my hand is not my glove

Human beings house God (i.e. God's spirit dwells in us), we are not God and God is not us
Our beings are filled with God's nature, we express and appreciate His essence, with our God given five senses
- with the faculties of sight via the eyes, smell via the nose, hearing via the ear, taste via the mouth and touch via the hand
These organs (i.e. eyes, noses, ear, mouth and hand) which you outlandishly claim God has is what is being refuted

VLadipo:
That God doesnt have sense organs as He claimed to have?

Anthropomorphism!
- that right there, is your stumbling block.
- a valid biblical terminology you have difficulties gnawing into and getting your head round

VLadipo:
Why did Jesus say it was better for a man to enter heaven with one eye than to have both

SMH, you really do not know when and where to draw the lines.
Do you know what a ''hyperbole'' is?
- that's another terminology for your to double check its meaning and later add to your recent collection list
Mark 9:47 is not a literal gouging out of eyes, my friend
Is that how you are taught about Mark 9:42-48 in RCCG's Bible classes and Sunday Schools?

The way you're going, you will soon return back here, saying God is an animal because He is called the Lion of Judah,
or He is a flower because He is called the Lilly of the Valley or rose of Sharon. SMH

VLadipo:
and end up in hell if God and heavenly beings had no spiritual eyes?

Though you didnt post anything about ''spiritual eyes'' in the original post or on your website
but since you've been changing your tune from sense organs to spiritual eyes, then half my work is done here
I am content with the 50% success in debunking your exposition and challenging your eisegesis

VLadipo:
Wow! I must know the background you are coming from.
You definitely must be from one of these cults masqueraded as churches e.g. Grail Message, Eckankar, AMORC etc.
You guys are experts in turning scripture on its head to deceive the gullible

SMH. What is the point of this non-sequitur?
Be my guest, if you want to keep on clutching at straws

VLadipo:
If not, how can you attempt to define/study the Almighty God using Google, the Internet, dictionary etc

You know what you are?
You are a brazen hypocrite!
You dont dare deny you dont use Google, the Internet, dictionary etcetera in/for your theology.
What an irony, your website, even is on the Whole World Wide, the Internet

VLadipo:
objects that are mere creations of mostly worldly, God-hating men

My friend, what, in the world, are you afraid of?
Have you forgotten Mark 16:15 that soon or already?

Mark 16:15
And he said to them:
Go ye into the whole world,
and preach the gospel to every creature.

VLadipo:
The only way you can know God is by studying the scripture

Tell us something original or tell us something we dont already know

VLadipo:
and having the Holy Spirit expound the scriptures to you

You obviously have disadvantaged yourself in this regards because you dont have a teachable spirit.You have a problem of taking to correction. You're unable to abandon the old
and so find it difficult grasping and understanding that immaterial beings have no organs

VLadipo:
We are on the safer side

You're on the slippery part of the safer side, as you're not correctly teaching the word of truth in this organs matter

VLadipo:
if we decide to take God's Word as it is than try to read other meanings to it using unbiblical objects

In this matter, despite all the tools and resources available out there, you have wrongly divided the word of truth about God and His essence

VLadipo:
God as various instances in the Bible said made reference to His organs

That right there, smack in your face, is anthropomorphism, my friend
You've heard, others say: "the long arm of the law caught up with the criminal"
but it doesnt mean the law has a physical arm, or does it?

VLadipo:
He said He created us in His own image and likeness. Who are you to say He meant otherwise?

Vladipo, food for thought, please dont choke on it.

Read and compare the following:

1) Genesis 1:26
“And God said, “let us make man in our image after our likeness...”
2) Vladipo, let us make a glove in the image of a hand after its likeness...

Vladipo, please note that; the ''image'' and ''likeness'' denotes purpose

The glove is not the hand, as the glove is not the same material as the hand,
the glove is leather or woollen, whereas the hand is flesh and blood
but the glove, importantly, is made to contain the hand.
This is the significant purpose of creating the glove

In the same vein, Man is not God, Man is not created with the same material as God
Man is flesh and blood, he is physical, can be physically touched, whereas God is Spirit, He is immaterial, He cant be physically touched
but Man is created to receive, to capture, to house the whole essence of God
This is the purpose of creating Man,

Human beings are created as houses, to be filled with God's nature and expressing His essence, which we are to do with our five senses plus the sixth sense
(i.e. with the faculties of sight via the eyes, smell via the nose, hearing via the ear, taste via the mouth, and touch via the hand, plus intuition via the Holy Spirit)

Have you ever listened to the gust of wind blowing across a meadow, sat down to appreciate the sight of the colorful arrays of flower therein, later bend down to touch and smell the fresh flowers, drank off the water from the brook running through, at its end?

That's how we use these physical organs to capture the essence of God, and use them to appreciate and express the essence of God

Now after reading the immediate above, if you're still ''fariga'' insisting God has organs, then tell me, what is your limit?
Where do you draw the line in this organs matter?
If, as you argue, we are made in the image of God, what are the organs you're willing to accept and will not accept God has?

VLadipo:
As I said earlier, all those organs are purely spiritual as God Himself is Spirit

Thank God for this,
but you only admitted and concurred God is Spirit and the organs are purely spiritual after you were challenged
These admittances are not in the original post neither is it on your website
(i.e. never wrote God is Spirit and never wrote that you are refereing to spiritual parts until you were called to order)

This is some of the ludicrous claims you posted:
How magnanimous and loving the Father is to us that He should create us in His own image and share some of His organs with us
Think about it. How possible is it that an intangiable God has human organs?
Since when has the Potter become the clay, or vice versa, hmmm?
It is the essence of God which He shared, not non-existent organs brother

VLadipo:
Angels are known to have features similar to humans in addition to the supernatural one they possess

Angels spirit beings who occasionally take on human forms when making earthly visitations.
They are also revealed as looking like men when the spiritual eyes are open or when seen in visions
but they are not human, and have no permanent physical body parts

VLadipo:
How much more God?

God is Spirit,
and by the way, you need to look up theopany, it's another terminiology, you need to know a little bit more of.

VLadipo:
You better leave that cult masqueraded as a church

This is a desperate remark from a drowning man, it doesnt deserve a response, reply or comment

VLadipo:
and give your life to Jesus Christ before it is too late

What is this poor attempt to segue the thread's theme and subject matter?
Just give up your pride before it is too late.
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VLadipo:
Okay, I have checked up the meaning of anthropomorphism

SMH, you should done that at the first instance, instead of the earlier mouthing back

VLadipo:
while anthropopathism doesnt exist in my dictionary

SMH again. What a cop out. In this age of internet or Google, what an unbelievable lame excuse

Anthropopathism is the attribution of human emotions, or the ascription of human feelings or passions to a non-human being, generally to a deity
Read more about it, from the below link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropopathism

VLadipo:
As for personification, I have a fairly good idea about that.

I bet you now would have

VLadipo:
All the same, you got it all wrong trying to use earthly wisdom to try and comprehend God

Again SMH at you hiding behind ''trying to use earthly wisdom to try and comprehend God''

Presenting the truth and facts to you obviously wont change your mind to admit that you've been wrong in writing that God has sense ORGANS
In fact, it just done the opposite, you've become obstinate and responded defensively to the idea and correction that you and/or your writing are wrong in insinuating God has human body parts

Dont you agree that God is not human and so has no human body parts? (e.g. nose, mouth, ears etcetera)
Just as the personified "long arm" of an immaterial law has no literal arm, so a noncorperal, immaterial God too has no physical or human features

Numbers 23:19
God is not human...

Job 9:32
For he is not a human being like I am, ...

VLadipo:
One of the greatest mistakes any person can make is to read the scripture with earthly wisdom, knowledge and understanding. It just won't work!

SMH, I tell you the truth, when you get off your high horse, the Helper, maybe, will come to you, to show and convince you where you are wrong

VLadipo:
The Almighty God is not a god. Hence, anthropomorphism cannot apply to Him!

Stop being incorrigible! Anthropomorphism is used for gods and God, period.

Why am I not surprised you posted this faux pas?
It is because it is OBVIOUS, you didn't read or didnt understand my earlier post explaining the reason behind using anthropomorphism for God

VLadipo:
Even then physical gods are made to look human.
The Bible spoke about it and questioned the rationale behind worshipping an object/god with sense organs that are useless or cannot be used.

I dont know which it is, whether you're confused, ignorant or stubborn, maybe it's all of them or just two of them together, that you are, over this matter

Anthropomorphize by definition, is ascribing human form or body parts to an animal, plant, material object &/or immaterial things, gods, God etc
so if you're claiming, anthropomorphism cannot be applied to God, what is your rationale behind ascribing literal human body features or physical parts to an IMMATERIAL God?

Organs are part of an animal or human body that performs specific functions (e.g. like the nose, the ear, brain, lungs, mouth, skin etc)
When we say the long arm of the law caught up with someone, we dont literally believe the law has a physical arm
but we understand the use of arm in the construct of the statement to make message hit home, as it were

I am repeating this, God has means or mechanisms to appreciate, approve etcetera
(i.e. God has means/mechanisms to see, hear, smell etcetera)
however these means/mechanisms arent humanoid or physical in nature

Job 5:17
"Blessed is the person whom God corrects. That person should not despise discipline from the Almighty.

John 16:8
My son, do not reject the LORD's discipline, and do not despise his correction,

VLadipo:
hahahahahahahahahahahaa

I want to assume that you havent taken time to read the full write-up on my website.

You see, all the sense organs were first spiritual before they became physical. We were created in the image and likeness of God.

The LORD had had these sense organs in the spiritual form before He created humans to have them in physical form.

Do you know that we also have animals in Heaven similar to what we have on earth?

The physical is a manifestation of the spiritual.

Nothing happens in the physical that has not yet happened in the spiritual.

In other words, the spiritual controls the physical.

Please read the write up on the website if you have not done. You'd get better understanding. Thank you.

[quote author= Posted on VLadipo's website][size=16pt]The LORD Also Has Sense Organs![/size]

"And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart,
I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth;
neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done."
Genesis 8:21

The scripture above is rich with many insights into the nature of our God. Indeed, there is no searching of His understanding
(i.e. Hast thou not known?
hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary?
there is no searching of his understanding." - Isaiah 40:28).

Nobody can ever really fully understand or comprehend God. Nevertheless, the Lord doesn’t want us to stop trying or seeking to know and draw close to Him all the more. This can only be done by searching the scriptures
(i.e. Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." - John 5:39).

From the scripture at beginning of this passage, we learn that the Lord has a nose hence His ability to smell the sweet savour of the burnt offering offered up unto Him. We also learn that He has a heart with which He makes and takes decisions. Should we be surprised? No!
The Bible meant it in Genesis when it said we were created in God’s image
(i.e. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, andover the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon theearth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the i mage of God created he him; male and female created he them." - Genesis 1:26-27).

How magnanimous and loving the Father is to us that He should create us in His own image and share some of His organs with us!

He has eyes
(i.e. For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars." - 2 Chronicles 16:9)
and
(i.e. For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings - Proverbs 5:21).

He has a mouth
(i.e. And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God,
and humbled not himself before Jeremiah the prophet speaking from the mouth of the LORD - 2 Chronicles 36:12)
and
(i.e. All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth." - Psalm 138:4).

He has a nose
(i.e. Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.
These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day." - Isaiah 65:5).

He has ears
(i.e. And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against tomorrow, and ye shall eat flesh:
for ye have wept in the ears of the LORD, saying,
Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt:
therefore the LORD will give you flesh, and ye shall eat - Numbers 11:18)
and
(i.e. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity:
and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them." - Ezekiel 8:18).

The only parts we have that the Lord may not have must definitely be those parts that make us human like the reproductive organs, the excretory organs etc. Also, there are those parts which the Lord has which we do not have as human beings. We’ll have to see Him to confirm what they are. Who are we that the Lord is mindful of us? The Almighty God so loves us that He decides to break Himself down to a level we can comprehend. Indeed, all things were created for His pleasure. Otherwise, how can we fathom that the Lord will be moved so much by the sweet savour of a burnt offering that He decides He’ll neither curse the ground anymore for man’s sake nor smite anymore everything living. Even then, who entered into the Lord’s heart to know what He had decided to do to men.

This goes to show that the Word of the Lord was not merely written by men but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Moses who wrote the book of Genesis wasn’t born when the event happened. It can only be God who
revealed the thought of His heart at that time to him. What a loving Father we have![/quote]hahahahahahahahahahahaa, as you can see from the reproduced above you assumed wrong

I now want to counter-assume that you havent taken time look up anthropomorphism, anthropopathism or personifications,
nor took in my post before insisting I go re-read the full write-up on your website

You are better off adding part of your latest post to the website to make the content about God having "organs" less misleading and more comprehensible.

ifeness:
Not only did the "Lord" have a sense organ,

Why Have you got Lord in quotes
God owns you, no doubt,
and whether you like it or not, you will give account for every thought, every word, every action you took here on earth
Put it this way, you will be grilled and made to give account for the life you lived

ifeness:
he also had a magic wand he used to impregnate Mary

https://s16.postimg.org/t38fzdsq9/No_Hat.jpg
God isnt into hat-tricks or abracadabra

ifeness:
People need to understand that the bible God was some alien/humanoid creature

People need to understand that the bible God is a Spirit, who is alien but definitely is not humanoid

ifeness:
who was to0 ugly to come out in the open.

"... to0 ugly to come out in the open" has nothing to do with God as He has no physical features
besides that, when talking of physical features, ugly is relative, just as beauty is anyway
Though God has no physical features to see, He like the wind, is perceptible
God's character is pleasing to the senses and beautiful to behold

oluwalfa:
does he have an arsehole?

No He doesnt but He would have had as God the Son, Jesus Christ.

VLadipo:
The answer is in the write up.
Read it.

Dont bother with the write up, read immediate post above this for answer given in detail

VLadipo:
And the LORD smelled a sweet savour;
and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake;
for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth;
neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Genesis 8:21

The only time the LORD has sense organs was when He was on earth, as God the Son, Jesus Christ

VLadipo you seem to be taking the anthropomorphism and anthropopathism in the Bible literally

To get biblical messages "understood", attribution of human form (e.g. noses, eyes, ears, etcetera)
or other characteristics (e.g. smelling, seeing, watching etcetera) to beings (e.g. God) other than humans,
is used in the Bible, often as a method of describing the moment or event with things/physical features we as humans relate to

It's like when adults play with babies and they come down to the babies' level,
by starting to do baby-talk, making speech-like sounds produced by babies.
Adults dont talk like that but in want of communicate with the babies, they temporarily adopt this manner of talk, the babies can relate with

As with the baby-talk above, views and interactions with God in the Bible, uses language of human personality, characteristics, features and activities to communicate with us

Anyway, God is noncorporeal, so any anthropomorphism, anthropopathism or personifications used in the Bible or other literature is to make sure the communicated messages gets across understood

Examples of Personification:
1) The long ARM of the law caught up with him
2) The moon WINKED at me through the clouds above
3) The car BECKONED me from across the showroom
4) The lagoon DANCED in the moonlight.
5) Tamedo didn't realize that opportunity WAS KNOCKING at his door
6) Time creeps up on you

God has means or mechanisms to appreciate, approve etcetera, but they arent humanoid or physical in nature

John 4:24
God is a SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, INVISIBLE, the only wise God,
be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

VLadipo:
For full scripture-enhanced details,
please visit http://www.dailydevotionalsonline.com/devdetails2.php?devotional=scripturesexpounded&&postername=Temmy&&id=829

I sincerely hope you will go back to your website and make necessary edits

VLadipo:
Visit www.dailydevotionalsonline.com everyday to read a daily devotional, post a testimony or share a challenge.
A problem shared is half-solved

Yeah, and that problem is fully solved when we begin to appreciate that God is a Spirit
It is throwing caution to the wind, to think of God as a physical being or as having physical body parts.

Kei144:
"When men take the glory to themselves that is due only to God, they are bringing a curse on themselves, unless they repent. Their pride will be their undoing, and they will fall away in some manner from the grace of God. When you take money from men, because of the GIFT I have put in you, it is not your money, but it is My blessing given to you. It would be wise then, for you to give ME the upper hand in how you spend that money. It is not yours, but it is by grace you have received it. So look for My grace for what to do with it.

Many today feel entitled to do evil for gain. I said that men would become lovers of themselves, and lovers of money. And it is clearly seen in the world around you. People do ANYTHING for money these days. In that environment, the church has taken on much that is in the world. If you do not repent for these things, you will be exposed in a way I wish not to do. But I am a jealous God, Who loves you and will convict those with contrite hearts, but if you will not listen, then I will make it public in a way you would not want, for the sake of your souls.

Many sitting in churches, are wanton, and needy, yet tithe but when they are in trouble, no one helps them.
Is this not what the tithe is for?
- to help widows and single moms, orphans and the infirm? To help those in desperate situations?"

{ I was reminded how Amy Semple MacPherson helped thousands in the depression to pay rent, and utilities, and fed so many daily }

http://ft111.com/priscilla.htm

No, not in this dispensation, it isnt.

James 1:27 and/or true religion has nothing to do with tithe
James 1:27 and/or true religion is bigger, larger and better than tithe

You do see how James 1:27 has no 3-year constraints like Deuteronomy 14:28-29 had?
James 1:27 is year-round (i.e. it's without regard to seasons) and so is better than Deuteronomy 14:28-29, dont you agree?

https://s9.postimg.org/lro33of8b/doing.jpg
True religion is not jeans
If anyone wants to do pure and genuine religion at all, then James 1:27, is what TRUE RELIGION is all about

Some other instructives and/or references are: Isaiah 1:17, Psalm 82:3, Proverbs 22:22 and Proverbs 31:9

theAtheist101:
Really? Is this your post logical to you? Making claims you can not substantiate

Yes, really. As logical as logical can be. Moses' testimony is evidence enough, take it or leave it

theAtheist101:
Which type of education did you get?

Variety of quantitative and qualitative

theAtheist101:
Give a direct answer and stop beating around the bush

Without beating about the bush, you previously was given a direct answer, when I mentioned that, the answer is in Exodus 33 and particularly at Exodus 33:23
I think it was 2 or 3 lines answer. How much more direct can that be?

There is no shame in admitting you couldnt get your head round the meaning of ''you'll see my back'', ''my face must not be seen'' and ''Please, let me see Your glory''

''Please, let me see Your glory'' by the way, incidentally was the original request made by Moses, which lead to the God ''back'' and ''face'' concession.

theAtheist101:
how did Moses know of the events that happened long before he was born?

Am beginning to suspect, you never, as advised, read Exodus 33:8-23, pay attention to Exodus 33:17-23 and watch out for the clincher at Exodus 33:23?

Exodus 33:23
Then I will take my hand away, and you'll see my back, but my face must not be seen."

theAtheist101:
Then do, for satan sake!

Compose yourself, take it easy my friend

theAtheist101:
You started rambling and ended without answering the question.
You see again wrong logic! At the rate you are going, you would write your own bible and a dictionary

Most people enjoy finding out things by themselves, but certain others just prefer to be spoon-fed

theAtheist101:
What is the dictionary definition of a serpent?

I dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo over what the dictionary definition of a serpent is, as from a biblical viewpoint, a serpent became a snake and this isnt vice versa

By the way, here is a simple and good serpent or snake litmus test.
When next you find the creature slithering in your balcony at night, shout out Serpent! Serpent!!
No one is going to correct you or teach you to shout it by its actual name (i.e. which is snake, snake) for the calvary to come running to help
or for immediate and express aid to turn up

theAtheist101:
And do respond with a direct answer instead of rambling.

Done in the above response

theAtheist101:
Prove this demotion or shut up!

Extra! Extra! Read all about it! It's all in Genesis 3:14

Genesis 3:14
The LORD God told the Shining One,
"Because you have done this, you are more cursed than all the livestock, and more than all the earth's animals,
You'll crawl on your belly and eat dust as long as you live.

theAtheist101:
As in you're boring me! I thought winner01 was the worst until you. This guy, "where you see your own serpent" (maybe you would understand the pidgin English instead)? You can't just claim an animal stopped existing without showing its fossils. Your serpent is in the same class as unicorns and dragons -- just fantasies! So, again I ask prove that your serpent once existed.

Logic and common sense, both know that, whatever the serpent was, it isn't around anymore,
so quit mouthing off and stop asking me to go on a wild goose chase, going on about fossils and all, to prove that the serpent once existed

theAtheist101:
Which nonsense drift? Am interchanging the words because they mean the same thing

Suit yourself

theAtheist101:
I feel pity for the educational systems that molded your minded. Make claims you can not substantiate is a crime against logic

Save your breath, I don’t care what you feel pity for. Save it for yourself, ideally for your wretched soul.

theAtheist101:
Common sense!

Bravo!

Brown47:
only one snake mess up he punished every snake

No one serpent messed, which got transformed into a snake

Brown47:
Eve sinned he punished every human.

Cause and effect is not punishment Chief
Things like this, happens in virtually all spheres of our daily life.
For example, have your word document template corrupt, until this normal.dot file is fixed, it will affect all future word documents you create.
It's nothing personal, not punishment, that is just the coding, the rule as it were
It is the same with Eve, who along with Adam were the human beings' template

Brown47:
How are you sure your not going to rut in your imaginary hell for the sins of others.

He is a Just and Good God so NO cause for alarm of rotting somewhere for the sins of others

Brown47:
Since your god of found of punishing all for the wrong of only one individual.

This has been addressed above Chief, besides God is Love and not a masochist

Brown47:
I think you still didnt understand what i was trying to point out.

Trust me I fully understood you, if not I would have asked you to elaborate or clarify

Brown47:
What i was saying is that animals (serpent) dont have thought and conscince of their own to even reach the far end of decieving a human

This is the point Chief, this was no average animal.
The serpent wasn't an ordinary, common or run-of-the-mill animal

Brown47:
Was it not satan who maybe transformed or entered into the serpent so as to aproach Eve

You're correct, and this is why I brought out the herd of pigs, Judas and Mary.
Peter too if not for Jesus' prayer would have buckled as satan had him in mind to enter

Brown47:
That means the serpent is no clever but satan who is in it.
That means its not the serpent who deceive Eve but satan was the one

The serpent was cleverer than all the other animals.
A good candidate for satan's selection to use to deceive Eve

Brown47:
And still ask your self then, if its satan who deceived Eve why did God punished the serpent

The serpent allowed itself to be used as an instrument of deception
as previously mentioned it could have done the same action the herd of pigs did or go the the same way the herd of pigs went

Remember Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent, which literally left the serpent with no feet to stand on

Brown47:
only a snake mess up:

No, all are guilty
besides the serpent could have done what the herd of pigs did

Brown47:
but all others which are innocent take part in the punishment.

Not one absolved themselves of any wrongdoing Chief
-it's only you saying they are innocent

Brown47:
What type of God is this?

A Just, Firm, Fair and Good God

Brown47:
you just said the snake was clever than all animals which the lord has made

Good catch, well spotted but that's me inadvertently using GOD'S WORD® Translation there.
- it is the only translation, out of the many out there, that uses snake for serpent

Brown47:
but wait! was it not satan who came in the form of a serpent

No, not not satan in the form of a serpent.
As I give a brief explanation, I hope it wont go over heads
Any thing that wants to legally operate on earth needs a body
The demons needed a body, so in Matthew 8:31 or Mark 5:12 begged Jesus for a body, after which upon entering the herd of pigs in Luke 8:33, the pigs couldnt withstand the demons, not even for a moment but a human being previously had them for so long, anyway they rushed into a lake and drowned themselves

Now exactly what happened to Judas in Luke 22:3 and John 13:27 is what happened to the serpent.
- same modus operadi, a body is needed to legally operate on earth

All spirits comply with this rule, even God isnt an exception to this, He too needed a body which is why He approached Mary for her consent
Must say, some spirits do forcibly or illegally occupy bodies

Luke 22:3
- Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve.

John 13:27
- As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

theAtheist101:
Wrong logic!

What precisely is wrong in the logic

theAtheist101:
Are you seriously quoting from the same book am questioning it author(s)?

Yes, I am seriously quoting from the same book you seemingly are questioning its author(s)
Have you got an alternative book(s) you'll prefer I quote from?

theAtheist101:
I could have asked how certain are you about the authenticity of the claims made Moses, but you have categorically proved to me that you don't respect logic

I respect logic, I admire logic, I am a fan of logic, which all is why I frequently use deductive reasoning or logical deduction and it hasn't and/or doesnt deter me believing the testimony of Moses

The truth here, is you and menesheh are larking about, you both think you're testing the water with just feet only dipped in
but what you both aren't realising, is that, you're swimming towards the deep end, if not already in it.
You've also proven you're whippersnapper which is why and how Exodus 33:23 went straight and totally over your head

theAtheist101:
Stop confusing yourself with English! A serpent is a snake!
You can check your dictionary to confirm that or you can simply read the same verses you replied me with earlier.

SMH + facepalm
Do I really have to break down the difference(s) between the serpent and snake?
Do I have to explain and show the bare facts and basics?
Dont you know that what tricked Eve wasnt a snake but it was serpent (i.e. it was nachash, an upright talking bright shinning creature)
Apart from GOD'S WORD® Translation, show us any other Bible translations, from the many out there, which in Gen 3:1 etcetera use snake for serpent.

theAtheist101:
Nothing demoted nothing!

Again SMH + facepalm
If from being at the top of the Animal Kingdom chart, to being at the bottom is not demotion, then I dont know what that is called
If from being upright, to crawling on the belly, or if from having arms and legs, to having them ''cut off'' is not demotion, then I dont know what that is called
If nachash (i.e. serpent that talked) got transformed (i.e. ''madeover'') into a snake which couldnt talk or ever talked, then what demotion means, needs to be re-defined

theAtheist101:
Why do reason illogicaly?

I dont know what irrational fear you harbor but this is no illogical reasoning

theAtheist101:
How would a snake crawling on the floor make it go extinct?

Who said snakes are extinct or have gone into extinction?

theAtheist101:
Have you seen a snail before? In fact, most reptiles crawl (elementary biology!)

https://s14.postimg.org/4bctu2kbl/normal_tree_of_life.jpg
Serpent has never been part of any scientific study
and this is because serpent is not an animal/creature to study in zoology

Have you ever researched the classification of animal before?
Have studied a reptile and/or animal kingdom chart before?
Until now have you ever looked at a picture of a ''Tree of Life'' before?

https://s14.postimg.org/7gxfka2xt/class_Animals.jpg
Apart from not seeing fantasy creatures or animals such as unicorns, mermaids, ''iwin'', dragons, gremlins, etcetera do you see serpent in any reptile and/or animal kingdom chart similar to this at all? Why?
It's a no-brainer, its simply because the moment the serpent got transformed into a snake, it stopped existing anymore as serpent

theAtheist101:
I would still ask you: where is your evidence of a talking snake?

I dont know anything about a talking ''snake'' and neither know anything about Adam & Eve eating a forbidden ''apple''
I think you're catching the drift (i.e. serpent is not snake just as the fruit isn't an apple)

theAtheist101:
Stop being delusional! This way of reasoning is unhealthy

I am not being delusional,
you asked if I've found the fossil so what is unhealthy in admitting that I am not looking for fossils, am not looking for something not lost
I take it you impressively and definitely arent among the looking for ''missing link'' bandwagon then

theAtheist101:
You just reminded me how interesting your story book is.

It's not my book, it is not my manual, nevertheless, I totally agree with you that, it is an interesting book

theAtheist101:
To be frank, I loved bible study when I was a kid! It was like Tales by Moonlight, which was/is aired on NTA network service. Our tutor then, who was a lady, with her sweet voice always made my Sundays fun

What stole your love of the book
and/or robbed you of the love of bible study, now that you're grown?

menesheh:
The post- is the reason why I referred to it as snake

For the umpteenth time, the snake never at any time talked, as it came about in the ''post-''
(i.e. snake didnt exist or never existed in the the ''pre-'')
Snake is an aftermath of a serpent ''makeover''
Get your fact right and stop sensationalising the title
The title misleads the readership, gives a false impression that snake ever talked
Is it that hard opening a thread to present your question and/or information on the serpent without resorting to a sensational & pimped up title, huh?

menesheh:
We identify painting by contrasting it with other painting painted by human, we've never seen painting occurring naturally

https://s21.postimg.org/kerx3ie1z/Painted_Desert_How_L.jpg
The above, which is Danxia Landform, in Zhangye, China, is a rainbow colored mountains, it, just like nature, you, I, etcetera were created by YHMH

Nature is not made or caused by humankind, it is created by YHMH.
YHMH made nature, nature is part of YHMH's creation.
YHMH is the Architect of nature.
YHMH is behind nature, as its Him who made the rules that governs nature and/or all the natural phenomena out there.
Do you get the drift now? Nature is natural, whereas YHMH is super-natural.

You are out of your depth, I keep telling you, my friend.
Please throw in the towel, and it's plain and obvious, you're punching above your weight here

menesheh:
You are asserting that santa clause is fictional why yahweh is not, you ve never giving evidence and proof that yahweh story is a fact. Both of them bears the same imagery supernatural stories, then you choose to pick one as fact and the other as fiction without presenting evidence and proofs that will differentiate both.

https://s21.postimg.org/qgzju02hz/China_Landform.jpg
You're joking, right? Did this poor attempt of yours, comparing YHMH with Santa Klaus dribble off your fingers?
That landform above, who will you put your money on is behind it? Santa or YHMH?
Sorry, Santa and YHMH arent in the same category or same league

menesheh:
Telling about painting and the painter is argument from ignorance.
You witnessed a phenomenon that seems designed, then decided to posit a designer to cover up the gap will deter you from seeking for other plausible explanation.

https://s21.postimg.org/915dsb3jb/Rainbow_Tree_High.jpg
The picture above is one of a Rainbow Eucalyptus tree.
At first glance, it looks like an act of vandalism or hooliganism going on in here, as if somebody has literally splashed a lot of colorful painting over the tree, but this is not the case with thetree, because actually as the bark sheds, the tree changes colors presenting this interestingly picturesque natural phenomenon

You see how you err? You're wide of the mark on this my friend.
You know what happens, when the Bible isnt brush up? Truth ache and then truth decay?
To brush up things, look up Romans 1:20

Romans 1:20
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made,
they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature.
So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

menesheh:
If you see sand dune, it looks design but we know that it occurs natural by wind actions

Go back and slowly but loudly read all the above

menesheh:
Still waiting for your evidence why yahweh story is a fact while santa is fictional

Dont bother waiting, my friend. You're averse to truth

menesheh:
NOTHING IS CONFUSING IN THE TITLE OF THE POST.
In the story in Genesis 3:1-5, Eve was tempted by a creature referred to as "He" and described simply as a serpent. Its only unusual features in the story are that it could speak and presumably didn't yet crawl (it was made to crawl on its belly only after being cursed by God).

You're confused hence the reason, without taking into account the ''pre-'' and ''post-'' of the event, you posted a thread with a misleading title
I said the title was misleading and needed changing,
I dont know how you pulled ''confusing'' out of the hat

Serpent talked in the ''pre-''
Snake never at any time talked, as it came about in the ''post-'' (i.e. snake didnt exist or never existed in the the ''pre-'')
Snake is an aftermath of a serpent ''makeover''
Capisce?

menesheh:
Existence of YHMH = Fact
how do you it is a fact rather than fiction?

Why would anyone try and prove that a building had a builder?
Or does it mean that if a blind can't see the sun, then the sun does not exist?
You get the parallelism with YHMH?
Tuck yourself in and pull up the cover tight menesheh, I've had just about enough dosage of your scoffing.
Sayonara.

menesheh:
whats your point here.

What was your point with this title ''Question: Talking Snake''
and the following
''Why is it that Adam and Eve did not find it strange that a serpent is talking to them?''

menesheh:
how do you distinguish between fact and fiction?

Example:
Existence of Santa Klaus/tooth fairy = Fiction
Existence of YHMH = Fact

I am not going to dignify your post(s) any further comments after now
partly because you never answered any of the questions put to you
and you obviously didnt ask your original or first question as a result of truly looking for answers
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menesheh:
Busy interpretating and explaining fairytales.

You are, my friend, obviously punching above your weight
You're biting off more than you can chew on this matter.
Strong meat are for those ''who have come of age'' and your teeth cant cut this, talkess chew
that's why you deliberately misconstrue it as ''fairytales''

Here we go again. Bit early in the thread for jpeg graphics. Is that meant to be genius? It's not even original
What a wimped out cop-out.

theAtheist101:
MuttleyLaff

So, how did Moses know about the events that happened

Great question. Very good question
Hoping you can touch it, as I'll be dropping it like it's hot, the answer is in Exodus 33
Read Exodus 33:8-23 but the verses to watch out for, actually are the Exodus 33:17-23 ones where Exodus 33:23 is the clincher

Exodus 33:23
Then I will take my hand away, and you'll see my back, but my face must not be seen."

theAtheist101:
before his mother started growing brea.sts?

What again, is the point of this non-sequitur? Abeggy, park it.

theAtheist101:
How did you know those serpents have gone into extinction?

Am I missing something. Have we got serpents running around still or lately you can point out to? I didn't think so either

theAtheist101:
Did your Torah say so?

The Torah said the serpent is cursed more than all animals, domestic and wild.
- until I checked the animal kingdom chart, I used to wonder why and how the serpent got transformed into a snake,
Looking at that chart shows some serious katakata went down and the serpent felt a full wrath of one minute being rubbing shoulder with some at the top, to a next minute, be right down there, disgracefully at the bottom.

The serpent not only was demoted but remember, it had a completely drastic ''makeover'' during its ''degradation ceremony''
What does that ''makeover'' spell?
OK, lending a helping hand to make it simpler and easier to answer, using deductive reasoning or logical deduction, it spells extinction

Watch out for my comment below, replying to your fossil question

theAtheist101:
Or you found their fossils somewhere with evidences to show that they could make speeches?

I am content and so I am not looking and/or wasnt looking to find something not lost
others however are looking or asking as you've just asked,
My brief reply will be, am close 100% sure, you're familiar with the phrase ''the missing link'' and know what it's all about

Next you'll be asking about the fossils of the speaking donkey that talked back to Balaam, to show a donkey could or couldnt make a speech

theAtheist101:
Here is how your points were confirmed:

1. In the past, when technology was relatively poor, operations was done on the brain of a dead person (cadaver). The first person to carry out such operation was Herophilos, who was the first physician to dissect human bodies and is considered to be the founder of Anatomy. And you might ask: How do I know you have the same grey matter? My answer who be through deductive reasoning. If you doubt me, let's break open your head and ask your trusted friend to confirm for you.

With recent developments in technology, not religion (which never develops), Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) would be used to view the living brain in your head.

https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
When you dont immediately first shout thief when burgled, the perpertrator will pull a fast one and before you do, shout thief on you the owner-victim
I was saving a similar to your response #1 and planning to use it on you, but you've beaten me to the punch. Welldone!

theAtheist101:
2. Really? Did you bother to ask him how he deduced that?
Or have did you ask him if he really meant what he wrote?
No do "follow follow" stand on your feet.

Really? Why should I ask him? Why should I take panadull for another man's headache
I am standing on the Word, my feet are on the Word bro, nothing do me, I dey kampe and am safe

theAtheist101:
3. Which book are you quoting?

The first one in the Torah

theAtheist101:
Who wrote it?

Moses

theAtheist101:
How did the author manage to know what happened before his/her grew brea.sts

You lost me in the bold, do you want to rephrase or clarify what you mean with this

theAtheist101:
Get serious and stop wasting our time

What has been posted so far cannot be overlooked by a frank, honest, sincere and intelligent inquirer

theAtheist101:
So, I ask again, how did you confirm that serpents talked before?

In accordance to what the Torah says, what more or what answer were you expecting
If I am none the wiser, I'll be thinking you're soliciting for empirical evidence to support that serpents, which are now extinct, talked.

menesheh:
What's serpent? Is it a physical medium that actually interacted with Eve in a physical world

SMH + facepalm
PS: Must give credit where due, you've at least taken the serpent as opposed to snake correction, and now back on a right footing with all this
but go back and carefully read the bottom 3/4 part of https://www.nairaland.com/2510320/question-talking-snake#36725338

Dekatron:
What is this one saying? Serpent, Snake

Na topic dem talk say make you analyze or na question you suppose answer?

YOU THEISTS WILL REMAIN FOOLISH UNTIL Y'all OPEN YOUR EYES AND STOP BEING SENTIMENTAL

Continue to show yourself up with your cluelessness on the difference(s) between serpent and snake. Ignorance truly is bliss.